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委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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10:29:51 - 10:41:10 |
影片長度 |
679 |
會議時間 |
2024-10-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、衛生福利部首長、教育部首長、勞動部首長就「我國少子女化現況及對策計畫成效,暨我國與亞鄰國家之留才攬才政策競爭力比較」進行報告,並備質詢。
二、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、行政院人事行政總處首長就「我國少子女化對策主管單位與主要國家做法之比較,暨我國參採改制之可行性」進行報告,並備質詢。) |
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天才委員、主席貴委員、有請主任委員、請國家會留主委、教育部次長、還有衛福部首長、 |
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各位好這個今天的議題非常非常的重要這個台灣這個全球最低的生意力主委全球最低的生意力台灣這個按照國會你的預估我國人口將有2024年的2340萬減少到2070年的 |
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一千四百九十七萬人減少八百四十四萬人事實上如果我們從你的數字尤其是減少的就是年齡越小的事實上少子女化是國安問題已經喊了超過十年了然後這幾年當然政府也在努力 |
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也在做但是這個過去我一再的質詢行政院應該要最起碼少子女化辦公室但是都沒有設了那我們賴總統設了三個委員會也沒有把這個國安問題列在那個委員會裡面現在就是由政務委員 |
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政務委員也很忙我們就9個政務委員他們也很多事情所以這個一直維持過去的一個國安會當然除了這個之外提了這個相關的主要政策提了這些政策結果一估的未來還是會減少這麼多所以這個部分顯然這個政策要去做調整要怎麼去因應 |
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當然這裡面很多政策你都提了就沒有提到年輕人買房也買不起租房子也租得很貴雖然很多的政策都在推動事實上並沒有根本的去解決這些問題所以這個部分這個各部會當然就國發會一些可能也很難仰賴政務委員他真的很忙 |
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國家發展委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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公共托育設施或是公辦民營的托育中心或是市立的托育中心都不足我跟衛福部做說明一個禮拜前、兩個禮拜前剛剛已經當了好幾屆的立法委員他現在沒有當立委了 |
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好不容易他的孩子,好不容易有了孫子,要托嬰,沒有地方托嬰啊,還要排隊啊,要抽籤啊,排隊還抽不到,抽籤排不對,不曉得要等幾年,為什麼還要等幾年,不知道,林口啊,他說不知道,類似像這樣,連這個都不足,怎麼樣去 |
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讓我們的年輕人願意生、敢生所以這個部分光這個就不足啊所以這裡面提到薪資3萬多我們看勞動部長說薪水低於3.1萬就是低薪勞工啊我們只比低薪勞工多一點點 |
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照顧小孩、嬰兒或是幼兒很辛苦的對不對勞動部長說3.1萬就是低薪勞工啊我們只比低薪勞工多一點點所以這個部分都是問題所以剛才為什麼有委員說這金額不足嘛對不對金額不足嘛 |
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我本來不想談四千多億台電加上核電當初新設就四千多億八千多億將近九千多億的錢投入結果就不用四千多億蓋核電廠四千多億當時的四千多億不是現在的所以我們的錢人民的錢就是這樣花的但是真正國安的問題 |
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你現在勞動部或者是各部會所寫的沒有提到這些了我常常講的是什麼?軍人嘛!志願業軍人就越來越少了對不對?那以後要外籍軍人喔!這個就台灣而言備戰 |
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最重要就是人啊在座再怎麼精良的武器也要有精良的軍人來去操作、來去使用啊現在完全完全真的是所以國發會很重要要怎麼去整合相關的問題所以這個部分是需要去非常重要的很大的一個政策 |
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要去統籌當然是這個部分要一個要有決定前的人來去做這個統合的業務相關各部會的業務包括國防部我剛講的對不對這個都有關係志願役就能越來越少因為他是低薪勞工 |
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都是低薪勞工啊!他是24小時在軍營區呢?對不對?沒有自由呢?當然不去了啊!對不對?去了離開的比例很高啊!這個是一個國安問題不是只有講的這些一般的人數而已啊!包括 |
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包括軍力、國防那才是真正的國安所以這個是很廣的所以我從這個第8屆當立委就開始諮詢少子女化辦公室最起碼行政院要成立那當然由賴總統來去成立委員會那更好所以比那個三個委員會都還 |
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來得重要啊對不對我們一直說從國外來小外生來結果呢事實上不是這麼一回事啊花了那麼多錢在那邊所以還是怎麼樣讓我們的年輕人感生好我們這個主委還有這個衛福部請回座我們就請最後一部最後一個議題 |
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市長希望你能夠重視這個112年6月29號行政院公布了私立大專學校學雜費掃角3.5萬這個掃角基本上都不包含原住民因為原住民本來從國民政府時代 |
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一直到現在教育部從過去的省政府教育廳到現在的教育部都有這個學雜費的減免但是都沒有調啊這邊私立大學少繳了3.5萬我們毫無受惠變成這麼多錢了 |
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我們毫無所悔所以本席曾經開過協調會也曾經諮詢過前任的陳俊仁院長前任的部長也說要研議所以到現在還沒有一個結果所以要請次長而且這個部分不是因為107到現在都沒有條了 |
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也夠久了所以這個部分是這個要請次長是報告委員這個高中以下首長跟我說其實是那個對住宿對這個我知道其實都有調整這國民政府時代就開始的了對其實都有滾動性在調整補助那大學的部分因為那個私立大學那個政策補助3.5萬部分因為原來原住民學生就已經有補助了我知道所以要同步 |
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我們也人數很少啦是,我們未來會一起檢討啦看這個他的住宿費用啦或者其他的費用上能夠給予補助的部分或獎學金的部分我們會來提供研究好不好那會後的資料我們再提供給不用資料我都有所以住宿稅要增加減免原住民與非原住民的 |
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大專學生的落差百分之三十幾啊百分之三十幾交易的提升很重要所以這個部門務必要請次長來幫幫忙好謝謝委員我們來努力謝謝謝謝謝謝政經社委員 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員:(10時30分)主席、各位委員。有請主任委員。 |
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主席:請國發會劉主委。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員:教育部。 |
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主席:教育部張廖次長。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員:衛福部。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員:各位好。今天的議題非常非常重要。主委,臺灣生育率是全球最低的,按照國發會預估,我國人口將由2024年的2,340萬減少到2070年的1,497人,減少844萬,從數字來看,減少的尤其是在年齡越小的部分。事實上,少子女化是國安問題已經喊超過十年了,這幾年政府當然有在努力做,過去我也一再質詢,認為行政院最起碼要成立少子女化辦公室,但都沒有設!賴總統設了3個委員會,也沒有把這個國安問題列入委員會裡。現在就是由政務委員負責,但政務委員也很忙,而且就9個政務委員,他們事情也很多,所以這個一直維持在過去的一個……國發會除了這個之外,還提了相關的主要政策,雖然提了政策,結果卻預估未來會減少這麼多,顯然政策需要做調整,看要怎麼去因應。雖然你提了很多政策,就是沒有提到年輕人買房買不起,租房子也租得很貴!雖然很多政策都在推動,事實上並沒有根本解決問題。在政策上,國發會很難仰賴政務委員,因為他真的很忙,還要審議很多法案,所以國發會到底要怎麼樣跟相關部會統籌處理?我認為這部分是很重要的,我就舉一些例子。 |
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以衛福部的部分來說,光公共托育設施或是公辦民營的托嬰中心或私立的托嬰中心都不足。我跟衛福部做說明,兩個禮拜前已經當了好幾屆立法委員的,現在他沒有當立委了,好不容易等到有孫子,卻沒地方托嬰,還要排隊、抽籤,還抽不到,不曉得要等幾年。我問他還要等幾年?不知道。在林口,他說不知道。類似這種情況,連這個都不足,又怎麼能讓我們的年輕人願意生敢生?在這點上,光這個就不足了! |
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這裡面提到薪資3萬多,勞動部長說薪水低於3.1萬就是低薪勞工,我們只比低薪勞工多一點點,而且照顧小孩、嬰兒或幼兒是很辛苦的,對不對?勞動部長說3.1萬就是低薪勞工,我們只比低薪勞工多一點點,所以這些都是問題。 |
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剛才為什麼有委員說金額不足,對不對?我本來不想談,當初台電新設核電廠就花了四千多億,後來追加到八千多億,將近九千多億的錢投入,結果不用!花了四千多億蓋核電廠,而且是當時的四千多億,不是現在的,所以人民的錢就是這樣花掉的,這是真正的國安問題,不過勞動部或各部會所寫的都沒有提到這些。 |
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我常常講的例子是什麼?軍人,志願役軍人越來越少,對不對?難道以後要用外籍軍人嗎?就臺灣而言,備戰最重要的就是人,再怎麼精良的武器,也要有精良的軍人操作、使用,現在完全……真的是……所以國發會很重要,看要怎麼去整合相關問題,且這部分需要一個非常重要又很大的政策去統籌,當然,也需要一個有決定權的人負責統合相關各部會的業務,包括國防部。我剛剛講志願役軍人越來越少,因為他是低薪勞工,24小時在軍營區,而且沒有自由,當然就不去了,對不對?就算去了,離開的比例也很高,所以這也是國安問題,並不是講講人數就好,畢竟包括軍力與國防,是真正的國安,牽涉是很廣的。 |
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我從第8屆當立委就開始質詢,希望行政院至少要成立少子女化辦公室,若能由賴總統成立委員會的話更好,這遠比那3個委員來得重要,對不對?我們一直希望人從國外來、從僑外生來,結果呢?事實上不是這麼一回事啊,還花了那麼多錢在那邊?所以還是看怎麼樣讓我們的年輕人敢生。主委、衛福部周署長請回座,最後一個議題請教教育部。 |
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張廖次長萬堅:委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員:次長,希望你能重視112年6月29日行政院公布私立大專學校學雜費少繳3.5萬,但所謂少繳,基本上都不包含原住民,因為原住民從國民政府時代一直到現在,從過去的省政府教育廳到現在的教育部都有學雜費減免,但我們都沒有調啊!私立大學可以少繳3.5萬,我們卻毫無受惠!編了這麼多錢,我們毫無受惠。為此,本席曾經開過協調會,也曾經質詢過前任的陳建仁院長,前任部長也說要研議,到現在還是沒有結果。所以請次長注意,畢竟這部分從107年到現在都沒有調整,也夠久了,所以這部分請次長…… |
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張廖次長萬堅:報告委員,署長跟我說高中以下對住宿都有補助。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員:我知道,國民政府時代就開始的。 |
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張廖次長萬堅:其實都有滾動式調整補助,大學的部分,因為私立大學政策補助3.5萬元的部分,因為原來原住民學生就有補助。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員:我知道,所以要同步,我們人數很少。 |
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張廖次長萬堅:我們未來會一起檢討,看他的住宿費用或其他的費用能夠給予補助的部分、獎學金的部分,我們會來提供、研究,會後資料再提供給委員。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員:不用資料,我都有,現在就是要增加減免,原住民與非原住民的大專學生落差百分之三十幾,教育的提升很重要,所以這個部分務必要請次長來幫幫忙。 |
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張廖次長萬堅:謝謝委員,我們來努力。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員:謝謝。 |
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主席:謝謝鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員,次長請回座。鄭委員、賴委員,剛才已經宣告過,在鄭委員質詢之後要休息,現在休息7分鐘。 |
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休息(10時41分) |
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主席:現在繼續開會。 |
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下一位質詢請鄭正鈐委員。 |
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委員會-11-2-19-8 |
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邱志偉 |
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林岱樺 |
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邱議瑩 |
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呂玉玲 |
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張啓楷 |
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張嘉郡 |
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陳亭妃 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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鄭正鈐 |
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賴瑞隆 |
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謝衣鳯 |
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陳超明 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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羅智強 |
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陳菁徽 |
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賴惠員 |
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羅美玲 |
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陳培瑜 |
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蔡易餘 |
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林月琴 |
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翁曉玲 |
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張雅琳 |
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吳春城 |
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2024-10-24 |
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1138901 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、衛生福利部首長、教育部首長、勞動部首長就「我國少子女
化現況及對策計畫成效,暨我國與亞鄰國家之留才攬才政策競爭力比較」進行報告,並備質詢;
二、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、行政院人事行政總處首長就「我國少子女化對策主管單位與
主要國家做法之比較,暨我國參採改制之可行性」進行報告,並備質詢 |
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1138901_00003 |
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第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
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