| IVOD_ID |
155932 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155932 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-23T10:26:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-23T10:39:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4f30dcf391021d63d2adcc76610edd2a5d49a24f4c608aefc1e35a7196978f1f608b7010f5f8dc8a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:26:02 - 10:39:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、法務部、內政部、財政部、教育部列席就「有關新興煙毒品防制及強化虐童防治作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我們請部長還有食藥署長還有我們警政署、法務部、內政部 |
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什麼叫做一二級毒品是什麼什麼叫三四級毒品說不說得清楚一二級毒品它抓的力道跟三四級毒品抓的力道有沒有不一樣跟委員報告這個一二三四級毒品的一個分類就是依照剛剛跟委員報告的依照它的成癮性氾濫性 |
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那個以及對社會危害性這三大要件來做判斷然後經過這個我們法務部跟衛福部成立的毒品審議委員會的委員審議通過把它列為哪一個級、哪一個等級的毒品所以我們在講的海洛因、鴉片這都是一二級毒品嗎?那是第一級毒品 |
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那我們三、四級毒品它的取締的力道就比較不太行嗎因為三、四級毒品的話適用都是在行政法裡面那如果持有部分是要達到一定的量才會刑訴處罰所以這個伊托米酯就是Adrominate |
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這個是我跟我們麻醉科請教我昨天還特別跟他請教他那個就是要麻醉的induction的藥而已嘛跟Propofol差不多嘛那他們認為Propofol比這個還好用耶那怎麼這個東西是怎麼來的現在醫院都不再用這種藥了吧不再用這種藥阿台灣還有在生產嗎 |
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報告委員現在在全臺灣的使用量大概一萬支一年一萬支對而且都是輸入的當然它是因為是自費所以這個藥本身健保不幾戶對健保沒有幾戶婆婆婆有幾戶吧 |
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因為這個報告委員因為這個在以前在這個案子發生之前其實這個藥是沒有列管的他不是管制藥品所以你現在這樣四級變三級我覺得那個根本沒什麼意義啊那這個藥從哪裡來是國外進來的嗎幾百公斤多少這是外地來的 |
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警政署那是委託?警政署那是委託?警政署那是委託?警政署那是委託?警政署那是委託?警政署那是委託? |
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報告委員 這個我們現在在食藥署的收視上他的原料我們是管他在藥品上那他如果沒有拿到藥品許可證他沒有許可進來的他一律都當作毒品所以是用燒出一百還是枉過一百也不知道 |
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來路不明應該是走私的看起來如果在醫療用途是應該有它一定的當然啊醫療用途有這麼多輛看起來應該就不是新的醫藥用品這種管道進來的所以都是走私漁船什麼丟包進來的 |
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我們東港外海每天都很忙碌捏我都不曉得丟什麼那個那個通常三班那組每天都在載我都不知道在載什麼所以這個藥是要用IV打混到食物裡面有效嗎?蘇董 |
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報告委員：蘇清泉報告委員：蘇清泉報告委員：蘇清泉 |
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所以這個﹖ |
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這個沒辦法回答捏齁 |
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那這個跟K他命、安威他命就用那個冷氣口然後給他用煙燻的讓小孩子進去到網咖就很爽、很嗨是一樣的意思嘛所以小孩子一天到晚泡網咖就是他用在出風口、冷氣出風口一整塊用噴的這樣就不會了K他命、安威他命是這樣幹的 |
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那這個藥是不是將來網咖也會這樣出現?這個都要注意捏我們在哈爾法針對這個藥理齁藥理作用法務部、警政署都要注意這個那你如果抓到那現在這個東西 |
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伊東米子你是用驗尿還是抽血?剛剛在講那個Pest不准什麼光線啊什麼是用Gmas做還是用快篩?快篩是用尿液還是尿液嗎?用什麼單位?你也不知道?第一線那個KID是用 |
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你們是用尿液還是用尿液?尿液尿液尿液喔?所以就叫他去解尿然後就直接用快篩這樣子 |
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報告委員那我們警方是一個執法單位所以他要有合法我們在比如說我們從他的這一個違價的行為當中攔下來合法攔查之後有看到他有毒品那我們就進入刑事訴訟的這個程序可以合法的逮捕我們才會進行後續的尿液或是甚至申請鑑定許可的血液這是一個程序 |
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所以你的KIT是煙、胺、胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺 |
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已經有採過這一些快篩試劑 |
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所以是警政署採購快篩試劑快篩試劑進來的核准是食藥署?這樣嗎?沒有?報告委員因為它不是醫療器材所以不是有我們核准要抓到即使有比得很痛苦顏色會有光線的問題然後出來是有positive又怎麼樣?行政罰款? |
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所以你把他列成三、四級毒品根本是毫無意義啊對於打壓這個保定 |
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跟委員報告,如果是製造運輸販賣是5年以上有期徒刑,剛剛委員提到的施用目前是行政處分而已。跟那個委員報告,我們已經在準備研議,是不是要把它升級? |
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那升到一二級是有困難嗎?如果升到一二級那還得了那所有的什麼什麼一些什麼命全部都打入那你們不是忙死了嗎?根本報告這個要經過毒品審議委員會的審議所以很難? |
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也不是很難要資料讓這個委員審理完了之後看能不能贊成要不要把他升級所以部長伊東米子本來沒在第3、4級都不是現在把他拉到第4現在把他提升到第3對不對還沒有第3還沒有過第4第4是6月過了還是這邊還沒有啦那個毒品這邊是第3那你怎麼好那要怎麼練啊那這樣有沒有效果所以要加快腳步啊 |
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南風車局 |
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緊接著跟虐童什麼都有相關,他就說他疏失了、吃醉了,就氣笑了、怕孩子,孩子怕怕死,這樣氣到法官,法官,我們有法官,我們那個市委員行事廳的法官,有法官,像這樣,說他意識混亂,所以怕死孩子,這樣不是死刑,虐死的也沒事,每一件都匯除死刑,每一件都撤銷, |
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那這樣是一連串的惡性循環你們怎麼辦 |
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跟委員報告,法院這邊其實如同我們今天所說的書面報告在108到12年已經判決關於販賣毒品有罪次數高達88,830罪次所以其實已經有在做依法審判、依法處理 |
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關於個案我們是尊重個案法官的審理 |
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那這個最後啦齁你禁止加味煙然後呢抽煙人口轉如加味毒品不然這樣會不會啊你的煙煎也沒有啊煙水也減少這樣要怎麼鋪你的長照 |
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因為世界衛生組織有特別呼籲各國的政策制定者應該禁止在煙品中添加 |
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蘇清泉議員 |
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所以你這個是怎麼去盤查? |
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你說我正面表列27項都不能加,結果呢?他加了,阿你又怎麼樣?你有辦法做differential嗎?就是現在就是要再跟加拿大合作這個部分,來看看怎麼樣做這個檢驗跟確診我是怕轉入加惠毒品要死啊,你煙煙如果蓋不住,煙水如果蓋不住就一年三百多年了 |
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蘇清泉 |
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蘇委員清泉：（10時26分）謝謝主席，請部長、食藥署、警政署及法務部。 |
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邱部長泰源：召委好。 |
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蘇委員清泉：部長，什麼叫做一、二級毒品？什麼叫做三、四級毒品？要講清楚。一、二級毒品抓的力道跟三、四級毒品抓的力道有沒有不一樣？ |
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郭司長永發：跟委員報告，一、二、三、四級毒品的分類就如同剛剛跟委員報告的，依照它的成癮性、濫用性以及對社會危害性這三大要件來做判斷，然後經過法務部跟衛福部成立的毒品審議委員會的委員審議通過，把它列為哪一個等級的毒品。 |
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蘇委員清泉：所以我們在說的海洛因、鴉片都是一、二級毒品嗎？ |
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郭司長永發：那是第一級毒品。 |
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蘇委員清泉：那三、四級毒品的取締力道就比較不會那麼嚴格嘛？ |
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郭司長永發：因為三、四級毒品的話都是適用行政法，持有部分要達到一定的量才會處以刑事處罰。 |
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蘇委員清泉：所以這個依托咪酯就是Etomidate，我昨天還特別跟麻醉科請教，那個就是要麻醉的induction用藥而已，跟Propofol差不多嘛，他們認為Propofol比這個還好用耶，這個東西是怎麼來的？現在醫院都不再用這種藥了，臺灣還有在生產嗎？ |
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莊署長聲宏：報告委員，現在Etomidate在全臺灣的使用量大概1萬支一年。 |
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蘇委員清泉：1萬支？ |
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莊署長聲宏：對，而且都是輸入的，因為是自費，所以這個藥本身…… |
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蘇委員清泉：自費的嘛，健保不給付？ |
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莊署長聲宏：對，健保沒有給付。 |
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蘇委員清泉：Propofol有給付吧？ |
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莊署長聲宏：對。報告委員，在這個案子發生之前，其實這個藥是沒有列管的、它不是管制藥品。 |
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蘇委員清泉：所以你們現在四級變三級，我覺得根本沒什麼意義啊！這個藥從哪裡來？是國外進來的嗎？什麼幾百公斤等等是從哪裡來的？警政署，那是從哪來的？你們這樣這麼多單位在管，管到最後什麼都沒有在管，多頭馬車嘛，這根本是胡搞啊！ |
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莊署長聲宏：報告委員，在食藥署方面，事實上我們管制它的原料是在藥品上，如果沒有拿到藥品許可證、沒有許可進來的一律都當作毒品。 |
| gazette.blocks[18][0] |
蘇委員清泉：所以都是走私進來的還是網購進來的？這也不知道？ |
| gazette.blocks[19][0] |
莊署長聲宏：應該是…… |
| gazette.blocks[20][0] |
蘇委員清泉：來路不明，部長？ |
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莊署長聲宏：應該是走私的。 |
| gazette.blocks[22][0] |
邱部長泰源：如果在醫療用途，應該有它一定的正當管道。 |
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蘇委員清泉：當然啊，醫療用途。 |
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邱部長泰源：有這麼多的量，看起來應該不是循著醫藥用品管道進來的。 |
| gazette.blocks[25][0] |
蘇委員清泉：所以都是走私漁船、丟包進來的？我們東港外海每天都很忙碌，我都不曉得要丟什麼，那個舢舨船每天都在載，我都不知道要載什麼！ |
| gazette.blocks[25][1] |
所以這個藥是要用IV打，混到食物裡面有效嗎，署長？我在問你，你都亂講！ |
| gazette.blocks[26][0] |
莊署長聲宏：報告委員，據我們了解，依托咪酯加在煙油裡面最早是中國大陸開始使用，他們才會有這個東西，我們當時知道這個情形，其實我們署裡有去查過，這個藥在112年以前只有一件由院所通報疑似不正常使用，就是用量比較高，最後那個案子去查了以後是沒有，所以當時我們就知道這個藥實際上在臺灣某些醫療機構會很少量使用…… |
| gazette.blocks[27][0] |
蘇委員清泉：所以這個源頭在哪裡不知道？走私進來然後混在食品裡面、混在油裡面、混在香菸裡面讓他們吸食，這樣用吸的進去，效果是跟IV一樣還是……你有沒有試過，沒有吧？欸，這個沒辦法回答？ |
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邱部長泰源：這個off-label，不是在醫療上正常的使用。 |
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蘇委員清泉：那這個跟K他命、安非他命用在冷氣口然後用煙燻的，讓小孩子進去網咖就很爽、很high是一樣的意思嘛，所以小孩子一天到晚泡網咖，就是他用在冷氣出風口用燻的，這樣在搞的，K他命、安非他命是這樣幹的！那這個藥是不是將來網咖也會這樣出現？這個都要注意！ |
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邱部長泰源：我們再好好針對這個藥理作用、藥性更了解一下…… |
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蘇委員清泉：法務部跟警政署都要很注意這部分。 |
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邱部長泰源：這樣讓各個單位比較好去偵查。 |
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蘇委員清泉：那你如果抓到這個依托咪酯，你是用驗尿還是抽血？剛剛在講那個tester不準，什麼光線、什麼……是用GC-MS做還是用快篩？快篩是用尿液還是……你也不知道？ |
| gazette.blocks[34][0] |
邱部長泰源：尿液！ |
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蘇委員清泉：所以就叫他當場解尿，然後就直接用快篩？ |
| gazette.blocks[36][0] |
吳警政監東文：報告委員，我們警方是一個執法單位，比如說，我們從他的危駕行為當中合法攔查之後，看到他有毒品，那我們就進入刑事訴訟的程序可以合法逮捕，我們才會進行後續的尿液，甚至申請鑑定許可的血液，這是一個程序。 |
| gazette.blocks[37][0] |
蘇委員清泉：所以你那個kit是驗安非他命等等一大堆，還是一些異構物、一些EST…… |
| gazette.blocks[38][0] |
吳警政監東文：報告委員，它分為兩種，原物的部分，我們現在有拉曼光譜儀，其實可以打得出來；尿液的部分，要用test kit來檢驗。 |
| gazette.blocks[39][0] |
蘇委員清泉：快篩用沾的然後變色？ |
| gazette.blocks[40][0] |
吳警政監東文：對！目前各縣市各警察局也已經有採購這一些快篩試劑了。 |
| gazette.blocks[41][0] |
蘇委員清泉：所以是警政署採購快篩試劑，快篩試劑進來的核准是食藥署，這樣嘛？不是？ |
| gazette.blocks[42][0] |
莊署長聲宏：報告委員，因為它不是醫療器材，所以不是由我們核准。 |
| gazette.blocks[43][0] |
蘇委員清泉：抓到之後，即使有也比得很痛苦，顏色會有光線的問題，然後出來是有、positive又怎麼樣？行政罰款！所以你把它列成三、四級毒品，對於打壓這個根本毫無意義啊，部長！ |
| gazette.blocks[44][0] |
邱部長泰源：已經在研議了。 |
| gazette.blocks[45][0] |
郭司長永發：跟委員報告，如果製造、運輸、販賣是五年以上有期徒刑，剛剛委員提到的，施用目前是行政處分而已。 |
| gazette.blocks[46][0] |
蘇委員清泉：對啊，行政處分根本沒有嚇阻作用。 |
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郭司長永發：跟委員報告，我們已經在準備研議是不是要把它升級。 |
| gazette.blocks[48][0] |
蘇委員清泉：那升到一、二級是有困難嗎？如果升到一、二級那還得了，所有一些什麼命的全部都納入，那你們不是忙死了嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[49][0] |
郭司長永發：跟委員報告，這個要經過毒品審議委員會審議通過。 |
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蘇委員清泉：所以很難？ |
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郭司長永發：不是很難，要有資料讓委員審議完了之後，看是否贊成、要不要把它升級。 |
| gazette.blocks[52][0] |
蘇委員清泉：部長，依托咪酯本來連三、四級都不是，現在把它納到第四、現在把它提升到第三，對不對？還沒有，第三還沒有過，第四是6月過了？ |
| gazette.blocks[53][0] |
邱部長泰源：管制這邊還沒有啦，毒品這邊是第三…… |
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蘇委員清泉：你們這樣哪有效？那個要怎麼抓？這樣有沒有效果？所以要加快腳步啊！然後警界的跟虐童等等什麼都都有相關，他吸一吸、吃一吃就發瘋了，打小孩把小孩打死了，現在去到法官那裡。司法院刑事廳的吳法官，像這樣的情形，說他意識混亂所以打死小孩，這樣不是死刑？虐死的也沒事？每一件都廢除死刑、每一件都撤銷，那這樣是一連串的惡性循環，你們怎麼辦？ |
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吳法官元曜：跟委員報告，法院這邊如同我們今天所出的書面報告，在108到112年已經判決關於販賣毒品的有罪次數高達8萬8,830罪次，所以其實已經有在依法審判、依法處理。 |
| gazette.blocks[56][0] |
蘇委員清泉：像前幾天撞死分所長的，我看這樣也沒罪啊，這樣也沒什麼罪啊，因為吸食之後就混亂、就去撞啊，就去撞死警察這樣啊，這樣也沒什麼罪，也不可能死刑，這種的判個五年、三年有什麼用呢？ |
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吳法官元曜：關於個案，我們是尊重個案法官的審理。 |
| gazette.blocks[58][0] |
蘇委員清泉：好。最後，你禁止加味菸，抽菸人口轉入加味毒品，部長，會不會這樣？這樣的話你的菸捐也沒有啊、菸稅也減少，這樣要怎麼推你的長照？ |
| gazette.blocks[59][0] |
邱部長泰源：加味菸跟加熱菸不一樣，加味菸有加味菸的…… |
| gazette.blocks[60][0] |
蘇委員清泉：對啊，加味菸我們二十七項都不行嘛，歐盟才四項啊，要聞的啊，我就不曉得…… |
| gazette.blocks[61][0] |
賈副署長淑麗：跟委員報告，因為世界衛生組織有特別呼籲各國的政策制定者應該禁止在菸品中添加會引誘、會增加吸入的添加物，包括風味的添加物等等，所以我們在新的菸害防制法中，就把禁用添加物列入母法；至於要禁用的，歐盟跟美國確實是用風味，可是加拿大跟巴西他們的立法中是用附表表列的方式，因為附表表列…… |
| gazette.blocks[62][0] |
蘇委員清泉：那你們是二十七種都不能加，你們是怎麼…… |
| gazette.blocks[63][0] |
賈副署長淑麗：我們是參考他國，因為我們開了五次的國際會議來了解各國的執行方式，所以大概是參考加拿大的作法，它是正面表列哪一些不能添加，未來因為有這個正面表列，我們在依法的管理跟裁處上面會比較有依據。當然這件事情在預告結束之後有一萬三千多則，我們正在收納意見。 |
| gazette.blocks[64][0] |
蘇委員清泉：所以你是怎麼去盤查？你說正面表列二十七項都不能加，結果他加了，你要怎麼辦？你有辦法做differential嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[65][0] |
賈副署長淑麗：現在就是要再跟加拿大合作這個部分，來看看怎麼樣做檢驗跟…… |
| gazette.blocks[66][0] |
蘇委員清泉：我是怕轉入加味毒品就完了，菸捐也收不到，菸稅也收不到，一年300億耶！部長這些長照基金就沒了，這個是牽扯的，所以這裡一定要加強啦，好不好？ |
| gazette.blocks[67][0] |
邱部長泰源：好，我們來注意。 |
| gazette.blocks[68][0] |
蘇委員清泉：謝謝大家啦，大家都分工，這樣分工都沒人在負主責啊，應該是要法務部或者是你衛福部來做牽頭，大家組一個任務編組，這樣才有辦法，不然各行其是。 |
| gazette.blocks[69][0] |
邱部長泰源：有，我們一直有在跨部會做聯繫跟努力。 |
| gazette.blocks[70][0] |
蘇委員清泉：好，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[71][0] |
邱部長泰源：謝謝委員，謝謝召委。 |
| gazette.blocks[72][0] |
主席：謝謝蘇清泉委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[72][1] |
接下來我們請王正旭委員。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
104 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-26-5 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
蘇清泉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
陳昭姿 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
王育敏 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
林月琴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
陳菁徽 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
邱鎮軍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
廖偉翔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
王正旭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
劉建國 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
羅廷瑋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
林淑芬 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
涂權吉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
李坤城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
林國成 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
張雅琳 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
陳培瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
郭昱晴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
徐富癸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
楊曜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[23] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[24] |
黃秀芳 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[25] |
陳瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[26] |
盧縣一 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
1 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-10-23 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1138901 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1138901_00002 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請衛生福利部部長、法務部、內政部、財政部、教育部列席就「有關新興煙毒品防制及強化虐
童防治作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1138901_00001 |