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| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:38:20 - 10:46:37 |
| 影片長度 |
497 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查「財政收支劃分法」20案：
(一) 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「財政收支劃分法修正草案」案。
(二) 本院國民黨黨團、委員羅明才等23人、委員林思銘等20人、委員許宇甄等16人、委員洪孟楷等22人、委員丁學忠等17人分別擬具「財政收支劃分法部分條文修正草案」等6案。
(三) 本院委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「財政收支劃分法第三條條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院委員陳玉珍等24人擬具「財政收支劃分法第八條條文修正草案」案。
(五) 本院委員黃健豪等21人擬具「財政收支劃分法第八條及第十二條條文修正草案」案。
(六) 本院委員王鴻薇等24人擬具「財政收支劃分法第八條、第十二條及第三十條條文修正草案」案。
(七) 本院委員陳超明等17人、委員邱鎮軍等19人分別擬具「財政收支劃分法第八條、第十二條及第十六條之一條文修正草案」等2案。
(八) 本院委員賴瑞隆等16人、委員蔡易餘等16人分別擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案」等2案。
(九) 本院委員賴士葆等29人擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之二、第三十七條之二及第三十八條之二條文修正草案」案。
(十) 本院委員賴士葆等22人擬具「財政收支劃分法第三十八條之一條文修正草案」案。
(十一) 本院委員張嘉郡等27人擬具「財政收支劃分法第四條、第八條及第十二條條文修正草案」案。
(十二) 本院委員楊瓊瓔等32人擬具「財政收支劃分法第八條及第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
(十三) 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「財政收支劃分法增訂第三十條之一及第三十條之二條文草案」案。
二、審查「財政收支劃分法」2案：
(一) 本院委員羅廷瑋等19人擬具「財政收支劃分法部分條文修正草案」案。
(二) 本院委員鄭正鈐等21人擬具「財政收支劃分法第八條條文修正草案」案。
【21日廣泛討論，10月21日、23日及24日三天一次會】） |
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郭國文委員做程序發言謝謝謝謝主席主席雖然我不是念中文的但我叫國文希望國文跟中文對話你能夠理解好今天大家都在討論這個財法法我今天必須說 |
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國民黨的這個黨團的行為令人有一點難理解甚至是錯亂他從財務法的部分在推可是總預算的時候在擋一推一擋那叫一毛一頓這叫矛盾的行為他現在不審總預算所以在搶修財務法那個這種矛盾的行為會造成怎麼樣的影響我直接講結果好了一來呢他在破壞體制 |
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二來呢他在癱瘓中央可以說如此其實你當說不論是總預算也好或財劃法也好跟這個體制預算結結相關也牽扯到中央跟地方政府但是提到的是說剛剛一直在提說我們財劃法要推是為了地方國民黨黨團如果真的為了地方的話那我覺得首先要通過的應該是總預算 |
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總預算如果沒有通過的話那麼我們只能用到的所有的一般的預算不過是法定需要支出的人事預算的部分不過是七八成之多而已而兩成多之多高達九千億左右的整個新興預算根本無法動用 |
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這些信息預算是誰要的?多半多碼是地方政府一直想要期待的社福預算、基礎預算、治理預算還有包括軌道運輸等等預算。如果國民黨對地方政府是如此的心疼的話,那應該趕快通過總預算才對啊。 |
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所以這個地方牽扯到總預算另外一個部分牽扯到的那也是地方政府相關的地方我說的是如果說是地方政府你看到這幾年來從地方政府財劃法你要把它下放多少說下放5777億 |
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但是最近國民黨的版本又變成3208億,足足少了55%為什麼還會多出一個3208億的版本跟5777億的版本呢?那不就證明說它當初5777億的版本是一個很大的錯誤嗎? |
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不只打對折欸還打四、五折你不覺得這太誇張嗎很顯然國民黨當初的版本就是草率修法嘛不正自明否則為什麼自己還要修成3208億為什麼還要趨近民眾黨的2700億 |
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這都沒有聽到任何的說明只有說他降價、修法這很奇怪嘛另外一個部分呢我必須說這個問題從事權主席不要那麼早站起來嘛你不是要讓大家暢所欲言嗎我好不容易等到十幾位等到十四位就讓其他的同事都先講我好不容易你這樣打我會有壓力啦你請坐請坐你想從事權 |
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跟財權本身基本上就有衝突面。如果今天地方政府的財政問題只是透過一個垂直分別就可以解決的話,那實在太容易了嘛。可是問題是這樣子嗎?有這麼簡單嗎?所有在修財法的過程當中,大家要健全的是什麼? |
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要建全是中央跟地方政府的一個關係也就牽扯到中央跟地方政府的府紀關係想要建構的是中央跟地方政府的所謂的夥伴關係可是問題呢?難道就只有錢就解決這個關係嗎?顯然不是剛剛 |
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剛剛吳委員就說得很好啊這不是單一的法案的問題牽扯到地方政府財政他還有牽扯到地方制度法還有牽扯到公債法為什麼要特別講公債法 |
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過去中央政府就有心的想要把公債法的信用卡給地方更多的一個信用空間簡單的講是讓他更多的取債空間更多的取債空間只是讓地方政府的財政更陷入泥沼而已這就是公債法需要修的地方地方制度法為什麼要修? |
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因為中央跟地方啊一些選擇劃分不清楚啊過去地方政府常常抱怨就是說為什麼這明明是中央要做的事情為什麼把這個責任下放給地方而前面有一道位所有在地方政府待過都是這種心情 |
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這也就是為什麼說夥伴關係沒有建立的原因嘛這也就是為什麼地方制度法需要修的原因嘛剛剛吳委員講說地方制度法修了15次但是我必須修那都是微調的修真正兩個法同步修的實在1999年的時候同步修嚴格來說不論是地制法也好財法法也好都是經過了25年沒有進行一個同步的大規模的修改來建構一個中央跟地方的夥伴關係 |
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地方制度法當然重要啊所以公債法當然關鍵啊還有一個地方稅法通則所以說我們到底是修法的目的是把錢給地方而已嗎而破壞了整個體制嗎我必須說啊你破壞了體制你真的對地方好嗎地方的錢拿去用在哪裡更不曉得可是中央沒有辦法執行整體的預算的時候去給地方做一個整體的改變的時候那你怎麼辦 |
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你怎麼辦?這是破壞整個體制嘛!結果也是癱瘓中央的結果嘛!主席你再坐一下,我再講一分鐘,我用我國文程度來講我陪你站一下,我們尊重後面的人所以那個關鍵點在哪裡?關鍵點對地方結果沒有好!你是破壞了整個政黨的體制、整個政府的體制你破壞了整個政府的體制所以說這個修法基本上啊 |
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對地方也不好對中央也不好否則的話你不會貿然的提出一個577億版本馬上又降強成3208億版本一下子砍了55%下一次你提出來的修法是不是又變成那個民眾黨版本變成2700或2200降價大求售我覺得這個裡頭要思考清楚但是陳村委員你剛剛提到說財務好要修 |
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本席老總又提過了財法修法有它的正當性但怎麼修有它的意義你看我們經過了兩次公聽會你主持一次上次那個羅明財委員主持一次但是那都是從財權的角度不是從事權的角度 |
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我必須說下次我真的建立代委員從私權的角度來思考財化法的修改方式目標是建構中央跟地方政府的夥伴關係而不是只是想把錢拿給地方而已你拿錢給地方而已你以後我跟你講講白一點換成你國民黨將來如果有機會執政的話搞不好你還要再修法一次我講白一點除非你要做萬年的地方黨 |
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這體制不容破壞啊這體制破壞啊會形成大家的共業啊毀了這個體制之後癱瘓了中央之後對加拿大沒好處中央也沒拿到地方也沒拿到中央也沒有辦法運作希望我的國問程度中文系的主席能夠聽得懂謝謝郭國文委員剛剛這已經是第4位委員提到財地方支出法要修正請內政部一定要記得趕快提出地方支出法相關的這個修正 |
| IVOD_ID |
155803 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155803 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-3 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-21T10:38:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-21T10:46:37+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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