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好謝謝主席有請部長部長你好部長你114年度送到行政院的總預算勞動部總預算案含基金total是多少2900億2900億那113年就今年是多少 |
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我講的是案不是審查過的你是說金額嗎?對啊總預算案是多少?114是2900多億我請我的同仁來回答一下好不好那個會計處有人跟你講說是增加還是減少嗎?114對照119是114對照113是增加還是減少? |
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委員報告我們是增加了599億多增加59億113的勞動部的預算案對照114勞動部的預算案114年有比113增加59億多是不是 |
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是對照那個法定預算就是113年度因為預算已經通過了嗎所以我們比較是114的預算案比較113的法定預算 |
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沒有啦所以我才講說你113的預算案是多少嘛你現在跟我講是通過的嘛對不對你這樣就太拚了2794億2794億那你114是2900多億 |
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一一四我們是 sorry一一四預算案我們是兩千九百二十八億對啊二九二八一一四嘛對預算案是二九二八嘛那一一三勒一一三是兩千八百二千八百六十二千八百六十億左右 |
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這算會通過的嘛對不對?還是通過的?通過啦!不是啦不是啦!1億3他剩下的沒剩就叫做他剩暗嘛對不對?我現在跟妳因為我們一百十四年都還沒剩叫做他剩暗嘛你一百十三年他剩下的是多少?兩千八百多嘛是不是?是 |
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兩千八百六十億啦委員抱歉因為我這邊只有法定預算一一三的就就就通過的嘛你先跟我講通過了嘛對不對一一三的部分是這樣子一一三通過是二八六零二八六零兩千八百六十那你怎麼可以好意思跟我講說一一九一定大過於多過於一一八一一三一一四還一一四怎麼大過於一一三一一四就還沒有審耶你怎麼有把握還沒審啦對啦還沒通過 |
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部長來有沒有什麼新興的預算?我們其實沒有太多新興的預算很少所以增加了59億而已還沒有審查你怎麼知道會增加59億?我們預編 |
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憲哥預編是對照113的預算嘛是不是這樣對不對我一直強調我原本就是要問是113的預算案嘛就還沒有審查的嘛我是要看新部長來是不是有對照以前的這個那個年代是不是有增加更多預算基本上是沒有嘛甚至於你還可能會比113更少不一定因為還沒有審查嘛因為有可能被審 |
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新部長來當然要新氣象嘛那或許有你的思維你可能在勞工的權益上你希望可以再多增加的不一樣的但是還是要火力預計的預算以前沒有編那你現在來編是增加大概是多少 |
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我們大概比較有那個是運營流停啦今天加急補助經費38億叫去年增加9700萬這個不是新興的啦這是增加嘛這是原有的預算去增加的嘛我是說新興的項目都沒有啦我上任以後我沒有自己去新興任何項目預算啦反正就是沒有就對了啦沒有就比較不用擔心啦如果有你就會有自然生嘛因為現在預算還卡住嘛 |
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我的意思是這樣好了謝謝委員謝謝好我們現在回過頭來看這一個事情我們來追啦部長這個報導你看一下勞動部補助違法慣患勞團欲追回款項這個很清楚齁審計部的報告勞化署就按基金在去年公告15項計畫那補助共有11205家補助88968件 |
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共計劃出16.3億在勞動部這15項計劃裡面除了充電再出發訓練計劃外及與計劃均規範事業單位違反勞動法令這個情節重大者將不予補助 |
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這一計畫中勞動部或勞發署對於違反勞動法令勤解重大者的這個定義沒有明確沒有明確的說明清楚但我想一般的普羅大眾都應該非常知道如果有連續違反勞動法令的事業單位那基本上這個補助資格就應該要嚴審 |
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他會被挑戰嘛齁即便他是小錯啦但是一錯再錯一換再換這個在新華上叫擂飯嘛那擂飯的時候有時候是要加重啟醒但我們勞動部卻加重補助是在鼓勵用人民的納稅金鼓勵他們違反勞動法令所以他們怎麼犯錯沒有得到問題甚至於甚至於還加碼 |
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我要跟你們對照明細喔如果有這件事情部長你要怎麼處理這是第一件事情那第二件事情在審計部的資料就按基金補助的事業單位中有112家已經領了將近4千萬但112家卻是從109年到111年連續3年都有違反勞動法令的紀錄 |
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同年在111年一年內違反勞動法令三次的以上事業單位就有200家那其中5家達10次以上他們仍然還可以領到將近4898將近5000萬這些累換的事業單位將近8成在112年還在持續的違反勞動法令 |
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部長應該很清楚嘛所以我剛剛才會講那句話說我們是拿人民大稅錢在鼓勵他們就持續做這些違反勞動法令的事情這跟我獨立現在檢討這件事要檢討這些事情是這樣嘛部長勞動部列出這些計畫這15項其中很多是針對中高齡再就業計畫這個我們都非常支持的啊對不對然後因為我們要邁入到超高齡嘛這總統一直在講嘛勞動部鼓勵壯士代再度投入職場 |
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那我想在市場上的這個環境我們要嚴格把關不是又再再三有這種違反勞動法規的事業單位他們這樣叫做壯世代嗎?他們適合壯世代嗎?然後報導中老化署這樣回覆喔 |
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勞動法令多處罰類型不一各分署審查時會注意違反勞動法令情況至於是否要定一定期限內違反次數或金額高於多少以上就不予補助能待後續討論這樣對不對 |
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我們來檢討一個月內好不好不然就會像我講的嘛對不對我們就變相在鼓勵阿然後再來我不需要邀請部長啦違反的情節規定以及鼓勵的改善措施通通一個月內啦請部長馬上裁釋吧 |
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一個月內當然當然好謝謝那接下來部長再看一下時間到齁這個是攸關勞工生命攸關人命的事情部長可以看這近5年來的重大旨在死亡 |
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108到112平均差不多300人走位那營建數各位部長也可以再看一下108就168109145101371115612151差不多照著重大持災營建業已經就占了一半了部長再往下看 |
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| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
李卓人議員 |
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倒塌崩塌就佔了半數以上了然後再往下一張就108年到112年墜落掉落的就是佔了將近佔比差不多50%了就48 49嘛從沒50%就一半了如果剛剛那個另外的那個加起來已經超過一半了這個如果部長 |
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你可以有自愧的然後有魄力的去處理我們把這樣的一個會發生的因素把它降下來我們或許明年我們就可以很大聲講說勞工職災重大死亡我們可以把它壓到200人以下 |
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就這個部分我們積極的看怎麼樣去預防怎麼去處理真的是有機會的啊你看他可以站一半嘛對不對 三八個他就站一半阿什麼藥 人間藥 人間藥阿什麼錢 什麼錢 土地希望就跌下去了嘛 塞下去嘛阿跟這跌下去跟塞下去我們讓這麼多勞工因為這樣在他的職場裡面喪失生命 |
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沒有道理啊!沒有道理嘛!對不對?這場事件還算好嘛對不對?怎麼沒辦法來做在整個職場上的一個更積極的一個管理讓這樣的憾事不要發生我相信這些營建業他也不希望發生這種事情嘛但是他就是讓這樣的事情持續發生然後讓這樣的比例就是這麼高 |
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那就很奇怪了啊我還要另外再講一句話那我們政府何嘗不是一樣怎麼讓這個數據維持這5年這是平均最弱掉落就是在50%我們政府怎麼讓營建業在死亡人數300人他們的占比就是占了一半以上 |
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委員我們就是發現這個問題所以我們今天為什麼說要最後打擊最後打擊我們希望在執行過程中事業單位都要負起他管理的責任那因為管理責任我們看來目前是有點落差所以我們也希望要修治安法把這個管理責任更落實現場的隨時的監察視察巡查把最後風險控制完降落就會降低了 |
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委員這事實在是全產業的我們營商業的墜落死亡比例是高達六成我們是非常痛心這個事情所以我們今年最後打擊年雖然剛才委員主席說是沒有辦法降到我們降百分之三十的標準但是我們會持續努力包括法規的制度跟營建署的合作就是國土署的合作如何把這個更有效做營建管理我想這是我們的關鍵了也謝謝委員今天是給我們的那個 |
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因為剛剛我有聽到委員跟你吹詢嘛但是我覺得你那個墜落打擊就是破功了嘛對不對坦白講就這樣嘛但是部長你不能破功嘛啊我剛才跟你講說你看營建類你跟我講到六成喔對不對啊我相信營建類也不希望會發生這種事情嘛對啊啊不會發生這種事情啊為什麼持續讓它發生嘛然後比例又這麼高嘛 |
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從人性的角度我們知道它不相發生 它就直接又發生 所以政府怎麼可以讓它也一樣跟這些業者一樣的處理方式 那就不對啊 對不對 所以我是覺得這邊阿記來 坦白講 我不覺得很大的困難耶 |
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但是如果你連續5年都當這樣的數據維持這樣那是真的這是很嚴重的問題了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
委員會議員 |
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老建這這營建工地的這樣子檢查我想我們還有要努力的空間對我想從什麼加嚴相關標準啊還是提高法管額度啦還是強化承攬管理責任啊什麼新增了這個雲童管理的花子大大大這個大家都會講了但是到底到底你們去執行落實的情況是怎麼樣不然怎麼還有這麼多的生命因為這樣不見了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
我們預備校會期送進立院 |
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我還是請部長可以趕一下啦齁然後這個要我覺得這一塊如果趕快可以補起來我們就有效控制在就壓低到200人以下只要這一塊處理好我們來加快速度謝謝委員然後對於現在現金要去緩緩如何改善勞工在職場上墜落啦掉落的 |
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是不是有一個報告可以給我們做參考?好 謝謝劉建國委員發言 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:18:57 - 13:33:52 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【10月16日及17日二天一次會】） |
| IVOD_ID |
155615 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155615 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-4 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-16T13:18:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-16T13:33:52+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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