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主席有請蘇人事長跟薛次長好請人事長跟薛次長委員早蘇發布的報告裡提到說將提出5年期的AI發展戰略計畫現在正在報請行政院核定對不對對那想請問這個是預計在115年啟動那我想請問次長5年的計畫預計編列多少的經費 |
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190億那我想請教一下因為AI發展牽涉到很多政府部門那速發部的角色當然也重要那我想請問次長那速發部明年編列多少預算來推動AI的發展 |
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我們明年是十幾億但是在速發部的預算那很多是跟其他部會一起提對好謝謝 |
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老實說啦跟那個次長說從速發部過去表現來看其實我對你們推動AI的能力是相當沒有信心的那比如說AI發展戰略計畫五大戰略裡面有一項叫做發展智慧化為民服務嘛對不對 |
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那是要利用AI客服來協助民眾查報查找政府服務那目前速發部推動的強化智慧政府數位發展計畫其實就是這個計畫有相當的重合度嘛對不對就是過去的計畫並不會特別強調AI的部分所以最大的差異是導入AI建網之來啦我就先看你過去到底做了什麼才能看你未來到底能做什麼 |
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那事實上在書發部剛送進來的114年預算書裡面顯示書發部過去的成果是用 |
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運用人工智慧新興科技來建置智能小幫手所以你剛剛講也不對你們就已經是要運用人工智慧新興科技了然後建置智能小幫手來協助民眾快速查找政府服務那我想請問次長你知道我們書發部這麼鄭重的推出這個智能小幫手成效如何這個 |
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這個我可不可以請這個蘇政司的司長回覆因為他牽涉到各部會的智能小幫手你說什麼跟誰請這個司長回覆好來沒關係來司長請說委員好因為這個我們115年開始那個計畫是五年期的計畫所以我們編一個我跟你講我現在是先看前面的表現啦所以我們114年我們就先有個銜接的好啦沒關係我來問齁這個智能小幫手什麼時候上線的啊 |
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而智能小幫手我們是預計今年底是在我們如果是講的是我們速發布自己的話我們是在今年底在我們的整個路口網站上線我想之前的你們之前就有了111年11月上線連自己上線過的東西都不知道不會吧 |
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我們那個智能小幫桶應該是純粹智能小幫桶他應該沒有到112年底齁你們這一套的系統你知道累積使用人數是多少嗎111年11月到112年底大概一年時間左右啦我們的入口網大概每年大概是十幾萬人左右我講的是這一個系統不是講你的入口網站好不好你不要把拿你的整個速發部入口網站來蒙混 |
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你速發入口網站一年十幾萬的瀏覽人數你也不要驕傲你覺得驕傲嗎?次長你也不覺得驕傲吧?次長你上來好了啦我看他也答不出來所以我跟你說啦使用人次累計是4096人次啦次長你滿意嗎?你滿意嗎? |
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111年11月到12月底使用的是1239次算起來112年全年使用是2587次平均每個月238次每天不到8次點擊率啊 點閱啊 |
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所以部長 次長為什麼要拿這個問題問你總知道了吧你知道這個112年度所謂的強化智慧政府數位發展計畫編列多少錢嗎我告訴你啦4149萬啦 |
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然後可是你現在照你過去的這個績效用全國規模的預算推出的這個智能小幫手服務人士連一個里我們大概去隨便一個里的人數都比你多那這樣子的話我覺得你的智能小幫手先提升一下我們書發部本身的智能一下好嗎4000多萬先去改善書發部的智能 |
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這是為什麼今天我要跟你講說我們當然支持政府來去打造台灣但現在總統說的阿要把台灣打造成AI智慧之島阿 |
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可是如果說你過去蘇發布的績效是這個樣子的話那說真的我怎麼對你未來的績效有信心呢打造AI之島當然啦國科會有責任啦對不對我看我們人事總處也在努力要把政府的那個系統怎麼樣去AI化可是蘇發布是重中之重沒錯吧 |
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社長我跟你講你講的都要藉口啦4000多個點擊次兩年齁真的是有夠難看的我直接講啦 |
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那你等於是一個你花了四千多萬欸一個點擊次是一萬元的成本欸服務一個民眾上去點一次一萬塊欸不是這個意思那你跟我講那個現在也不實用因為現在有新的技術出來打掉了要重練了那我問你過去你就你一個點擊次要一萬塊啊我說真的我未來怎麼對你有信心呢我想書發部的揮霍預算早就惡名昭彰了也不是這件事啦 |
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2022年成立嘛大家都希望書發部能夠讓台灣更智慧化數位化推動AI打擊詐騙齁期待很高啦對不對當年嘛對不對可是立法院給了很多的預算事實上你也知道書發部大概是民眾齁最不滿意的部會之一啦為什麼你光像打詐慘不能賭然後很多的東西你知道王世堅委員怎麼形容你們嗎還記得嗎市長還記得嗎 |
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我最近記憶力不太好不太好我幫你提醒一下飯桶啊你們是飯桶嗎王世堅委員說你們是飯桶啊我們尊重委員的意見我告訴你不是尊重你們拿出點績效跟行動力證明速發部不是飯桶嘛可以嗎 |
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我們會努力 謝謝努力啦 證明不是飯桶 是非常低階的努力啦那我再舉個例子 講你揮霍蘇發部今年出國預算幾個 編列多少預算今年應該是 32個啦預算是3133萬啦 所以有人常講蘇發部叫出國部啦國際交流重要 但是我要跟市長說我就先不講別的部門 最重要的國際交流部門應該是哪個部門 |
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政府裡面?外交部當然是外交部啊外交部今年編了也只有14個出國計畫然後編列2908萬書發部不是不能出國考察交流啦可是你們的計畫是外交部的兩倍然後你們的AI服務人士像我剛剛講的Lililala本業都沒做好一天到晚想出國這難怪人家覺得不服難怪王世堅要罵你們是飯桶嘛 |
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所以這是你們自己本務要先做好那我要問一下人事長請問國人薪資中位數是多少 |
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國人的薪資中位數大概六七十萬之間我看到數字是111年是薪資中位數是51.8萬平均月薪4.3萬那是我的看當然你的數字也許有更不一樣的數字你再告訴我我再提供給委員那我想請問一下人事長你知道蘇發布全體職員平均的月薪是多少嗎比4.3萬高還是低高多少你知道嗎 |
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我肯定知道他一定會比較高啊不然他找不到人對對對好比較高我也認同比較高一點我告訴你啊速發部114年編列預算250百位法定編制員和23位約聘僱編列薪水獎金加給加班費加起來月薪是10.2萬一年是122萬那是國人薪資中位數的2.4倍那你知道比起其他部會高還是低 |
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請問次長 |
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我要告訴你的是基本上你如果拿到的比較好的薪水績效就要怎麼樣 |
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中位數有中位數 平均值有平均值的意義啊我要講的是 你拿的薪水比一般的民眾高沒錯吧 你總不能跟他講不是吧 |
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平均值你也比較高啦 你還在跟我扯 沈仁市長 速發部現在拿月薪10萬平均值我比一般民眾高有沒有 你跟我講按照我最近看的資料是比一般外面的高對啊 那你還在跟我扯什麼不要在那邊凹來凹去找藉口 人事長都已經打臉你了 以上 謝謝 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:39:42 - 09:50:53 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院人事行政總處人事長暨相關部會列席就「政府機關導入AI提升效能」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| IVOD_ID |
155402 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155402 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-4 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-14T09:39:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-14T09:50:53+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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