| IVOD_ID |
155398 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155398 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-14T09:13:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-14T09:26:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
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謝主席：有請人事長前任市長總召長 |
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唉 理事長早上次詢答的時候我有請教你我們人事總處在繁複的人事法規當中我們花了納稅人的錢投入了預算建立了AI人事法規的生成系統那在上一次詢答的過程當中我本來是想要跟你確認這個查詢系統的成效如何 |
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針對這個查詢系統的人效的成效目前人事總處自己評估有沒有達到效應 |
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我跟總召報告一下,上次總召有提到一個重點,就是希望既然人事總處在規劃CHAPGPP分兩個部分,是不是要開放給一般民眾,那個等一下再說。你們針對目前自己在處理人事的同仁,用這個AI生成系統的人事法規查詢系統,目前評估成效如何? |
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呃 成效大概傳統一般伸手在查的話本來大概要一個小時現在可以縮短到10分鐘好 沒關係齁 你們針對這個成效到底是怎麼評估的到底是怎麼評估的會後提供一個資料給我好嗎好 沒問題因為你上次講喔說用了這個系統時間可以節省40%到50% |
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那我回去就很有興趣嘛因為我們在訂任何的KPI的時候那你要直接具體的講時間縮短40到50那你要有個衡量的基準嘛不是空口說白話嘛那這個人事法規生程式的AI查詢系統一天一天啊它的capacity可以查詢幾折 |
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因為現在是牽涉到我們跟他注用Token的費用我們一天大概300個Token |
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那每一天300個Token都有用完是不是?目前大概是220左右220到250之間那等於是300還沒有用盡嗎?還沒有用盡你把這個系統開始以後到今天為止每一天使用Token的次數會後提供資料給我好嗎?因為我喜歡看白紙黑字的東西我喜歡看數字說話我不喜歡空口說白話 |
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那因為你們沒有開放給一般人使用就即使是我都沒有辦法去檢證這個AI查詢系統是不是像你們所說的有這麼好用有這麼正確所以我就去我們立法院人事處請教了我請教了我們的立法院人事處的主任人事長你知不知道我們立法院的人事處有沒有在用這個系統 |
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你明明就有開放給立法院你還發函給立法院要立法院派人去做教育訓練 |
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人事長拜託你在國會詢答的時候你不知道可以說不知道啦但不要信口開河啊你們自己都發寒了叫立法院的人事處派員去參加教育訓練阿你如果沒有開放給他們他們去參加教育訓練是參加好玩的喔 |
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我這裡要跟委員報告一件事情發文給立法院的應該是前續部發文轉我們沒有直接邀他所以立法院的人人事處的人能不能用就是可以用對嘛那你怎麼會說沒有開放給他們用因為我們沒有直接發文給他胡扯來公務員可不可以擔任有限公司的股東 |
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不能不能嗎對持股有限制嗎持股不能超過10%你確定嗎這個再確認一下好我直接跟你講啦因為我自己不能用嘛我只能去拜託第一個我請教我們立法院人事處的人他們有沒有在用他們跟我說他們通通都沒有在用 |
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他們通通都沒有在用那個人事長你要聽我講話還是要聽你旁邊那位小姐講話還是你不要回答的直接請他上來回答我自己回答我請立法院人事處的人用因為我不能用嘛 |
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那你們控管只有人事處的人可以用所以我就請他們用啊那我就請他們幫我打一個問題上去啊公務員可不可以擔任有限公司的股東啊他同時勾了法規跟函式啊出來的答案的結果如同我上面PVT上面所示啊來人事長這個AI查詢系統提供的答案正不正確 |
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這個本來是不能超過10%現在已經有修正法律已經修正了所以這個提供的答案並不正確嗎是吧這個是配合服務法的修正這一個是舊規定對啊服務法什麼時候修正的 |
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我直接跟你講不要浪費時間啊2022年6月22你這個系統什麼時候建置的去年建置的嘛那你去年建置今年上線結果2022年修法都還沒有update要再多加油啦再多加油啦來請那個矯正署的署長來矯正署署長請 |
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委員好 署長好我先之前巴德外易間我們的新建統包工程案是24億這個巴德外易間新建統包工程案本來什麼時候要完成 |
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報告委員我們大概預定是今年的年底按照契約的規範什麼時候要完成他已經比較遲遠一段時間了不好意思請你針對問題回答按照契約的規範他什麼時候要完成 |
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111年那2022年要完成嘛現在已經2024年了嘛是 今年年底我們爭取能夠順利脫了這麼久的理由是什麼因為他 廠商之間有經營權的爭議廠商之間經營權的爭議跟政府有關係嗎因為他沒有錢給他的分包那有時候分包不願意出工受到影響我的意思是啦 |
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他們既然承包了政府的標案他們就要按契約履行嘛這是基本的觀念沒有錯吧是沒有按契約履行我們該怎麼辦 |
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我跟署長交換意見 |
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要不要終止契約或採取其他契約上面主張權利什麼樣的方式我絕對尊重行政機關的判斷但問題是什麼但問題是他們按照契約該履行哪些項目就要履行哪些項目因為我之前接到檢舉我就覺得很奇怪他檢舉的內容是說 |
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巴德外一間我們在監獄的出入口是不是有一個三道門的管制?是有這個三道門的管制最重要的目的跟機能是什麼?介入安全管控出入人員他同一個時間可以同時開啟嗎?不行那我上次我夏天的時候我花時間去看就看 |
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這個三道門的管制根本沒有辦法正常運作我是在今年夏天的時候去看的到目前為止這個缺失改善了嗎現在目前是改善當中但是還沒完成改善多久了 |
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我跟署長交換概念時間我全部都列出來了嘛他本來2022年3月就要完成結果拖到2023年的3月現在是2024年的10月等於是長達一年多的時間當中這三道門的管制沒有發揮他應有的功能講形同虛設話可能太重了啦 |
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但是署長作為矯正署的大家長應該知道那三道門的管制在整個監所、戒護上面、安全上面它扮演的核心功能嗎?是那現在拖了一年多到現在10月這麼基本的功能還沒有辦法發揮署長你覺得還需要多久的時間? |
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我們會盡快來督導所屬機關依法令來辦理有必要我們會依企業來計劃相關的法則從去年3月到現在10月你覺得有符合你剛剛所講的請他們盡快嗎盡快已經盡快超過一年半了我跟署長交換一下概念這不是開玩笑的事情 |
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報告委員我們機關絕對會積極來跟廠商要求辦理但是有一些部分是我們機關他沒辦法去掌控的因素請委員可以諒解這個當然機關自己沒有辦法修才會找廠商嘛現在我只有一個問題啊 |
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這個沒有辦法正常發揮的功能在介護上面啊形成了重大的漏洞拖延了一年多大概還要拖延多久我其實只有這個問題而已因為我們總不可能說政府機關廠商事情沒有做到我們一而再再而三的讓他演嘛 |
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是演到無窮無盡嘛是是現在最少我整理出來的日期應該沒有錯吧是拖延了一年多嘛是那你還要給他拖延多久報告委員我們會盡力來在年底前來辦理然後我們目前因為還沒完成驗收所以目前是先以人力輔助剩下一些人力來辦理年底前我們盡力來完成 |
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那個同仁都很辛苦啦這個我了解啦廠商該做的事情沒有做結果竟然同仁是人力輔助那我就只有一個問題啦花納稅人的錢搞了一個這麼大的工程這個核心的部分拖了一年多都沒有辦法完成那到底還要再讓那個廠商拖多久時間的關係啦署長可以去巴德外醫監因為我現場去線看過 |
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我也跟他們交換過意見我的立場很簡單你們就按照契約該怎麼主張就怎麼主張不要放水那第二個更重要的事情是安全介護上面這麼大的漏洞這麼嚴重的事情廠商如果如果沒有能力處理的話就按照契約的規定找人來幫他把他處理完這樣可以嗎是的謝謝委員OK好謝謝 |
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好 謝謝黃委員 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:13:43 - 09:26:33 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院人事行政總處人事長暨相關部會列席就「政府機關導入AI提升效能」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |