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委員長好首先有請我們行政院卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備選陳委員好卓院長好我第一個執行的問題就是桃子苗大矽谷計畫我們的速度要加快 |
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那今年的國會在2月份提出桃樹苗的大計劃那這期間我安排了經濟委員會考察苗栗兩次我個人召開協調會八次 |
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那很高興,終於在9月30日經過我們行政院正式核定,苗栗縣有三個地方納入大細股計畫,一個是職覽科學園區第二期的擴編,一個是頭份科學園區,一個是厚隆的產業園區。 |
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所以我在此表達非常感謝之意,因為賴總統在總統進行期間所提出大細股計劃,一直看不到那個硬,大家這樣放心不下來,我大膽訪問,謝謝你,這是幫了忙。那我也跟院長報告,投資在苗栗縣,絕對是最好的選擇。 |
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這次也表現了我們中央與地方 |
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團結合作,共演夢想,讓我們苗栗縣成為西部科技走廊的新鮮的一個都市。在此,我們苗栗縣的總統任縣長特別叫我來感謝我們的賴總統、卓院長,還有我們政法會,還有我們經濟部大家全力的支持,把這個合定下來,讓它能大展身手,讓我們苗栗縣的縣長能全程市井, |
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這點要再靠您繼續跟我們一起幫忙,因為這裡面一定有很多困難的問題,只要中央幫我們協助解決的話,我相信很快苗栗人的夢想就會完成,這點拜託一下。 |
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謝謝委員,總統的政見一定是最重要的國家施政方向,但是不可能一夜實現,我們一定會按部就班,循序漸進。這當中國科會,國科發會扮演非常重要的角色,非常非常的辛苦。所以我現在巴結他,我現在在委員會都不敢再修理他了。好不好,謝謝。阿現在請經濟部長,我們國會,可以下去回答。 |
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我第二個質詢,就是苗栗天花湖水庫的興建以後,您中央要很清楚的表態,我們第一步到哪裏去做。那經濟部在民國83年開始規劃天花湖水庫,在102年通過環評。 |
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但是後續啊,因為地方的溝通,那時民運團體起來到處都在反對,也是現在的執政黨當初的很多作為。我自己經過這個情形,我們一清二楚。 |
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現在陶瓊廟大水谷計劃已經核定了,未來的高科技進駐到苗栗或是到新竹的時候,水量勢必增加很多。我們國的水庫給台中利用跟新竹科學以前的水都是靠苗栗供應,那現在我們又有產業基地了。 |
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我問互相聯絡互相幫忙但是天花府水庫啊我覺得施必要件現在加上我們極端的氣候那沒有水有水要施無水就痛苦現在就讓得很快大家都沒有反而水但是當時極端氣候變遷我們感染的氣候我們要為於頭秒之計所以尤其等兩年 |
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簽署時在竹蘭頭份在苗栗縣大概有50%的人口,切水切電,讓我們每天都要洗,我現在要這樣,苗栗縣政府有準備,但是會來支持我們天花府這個水庫,做我們大溪庫計劃這個備用水源,你們到底有要做或不要做,你們這樣每天說簽署口沒人反對,現在表列官第一個表態, |
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報告委員這一個事情我不清楚 |
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我知不知?你知不知?問題待會兒看你會不會來講,如果我們跟你講,好像問題在你頭上,要不然要積極一點,情報要聯合一點。是是是,謝謝委員指教。不然啦,我跟你講,建一個水庫,你現在為了科學用電用水,你海邊的淡水計畫花了有多少錢?建一個水庫值不值? |
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我再跟委員報告這個地區當然需要工業區將來的園區都需要用水 |
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但天花湖這個場址啊,原來我們在顧慮的過去幾年是認為它要不要有更進一步的考慮,它有沒有斷層帶造成未來安全上的可餘,所以現在進一步發現這個斷層的問題好像是不存在的。 |
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但是要確定,如果這個不存在,安全上是可控的,那我們就把它弄比較高的安全係數標準來看,是不是可以適合來做水庫?請經濟部再做詳細訊息。我會馬上這個責成水利署下去做評估。好,因為以前都是地方反對的,你們都不敢說,現在地方表態說要全力來建了,你們應該要下去鼓勵出手好不好?謝謝委員。 |
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政府請回座,我現在講國土計劃,您說要上路,我這裏我自己農民執行的,苗栗縣的農業縣,我現在跟議長講,農地無奈,農民三生無奈。所以國土計劃法在明年4月110日要生效,我是跟議長講,你們真的要很慎重考慮。 |
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因為這個國土計劃法在國民黨的時代、執政時代同歸。 再來換你民進黨執政,在這半年內,你若沒有去地方去溝通協調,大家無法互相參與。 |
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雖然國民黨過了,這標示所有的責任是在你們執政期間,你們默示要基層跟農會,幾乎沒人理睬。 我覺得這個問題很重要,但是中央跟我們問阿嬤阿嬤夫,地方的政府,他就想說這裏面要為什麼拖累起來,會怕遭遇到民怨民眾的反對。 我現在跟議長說, |
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不要怪地方的政府,我暫時說一些事情,其實是你中央的行政責任,你們現在這麼厲害,明年要到齊要來表現你們的power,你們全力推動,這不對,我是執政要延緩。我現在要跟你說的第一件事,苗栗山多平原少,水庫多,苗栗縣的國土保育區面積,你給我賠20%。 |
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我講這個問題很重要,我們要學平衡的做法。 |
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平東怎麼做你知道嗎?把公有地,就是財產的土地化為農業,農業就是你永遠要工作,你不得翻身,他這樣做,他把本來的農業、優良農地改為農惡,把都市計劃內的農業用地改為城鄉發展區,如果平東同歸,我們表的觀察這樣做,我十三月九月六日是這個同歸。 |
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所以現在補卸是很嚴重的所以這個國土計畫真的要好好考慮利用還有如果能沿著兩年好好的溝通協調讓地方發出他們未來要發展最重要的地方不然我聽到本來要問你今天總執行的時間是多少你不要說農民有農業的精神大家都要看土地有沒有賺人都沒改變人性沒改變不要想到很偉大 |
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你們都曉得,都市裡面的農業區,你們都一直在改變,變成商業區,往那裡掉下去。我跟委員報告,就是說,有關於劃農業發展區到底怎麼劃,我想,絕對不是只有地方政府劃中央省,一定是中央跟地方政府一起合作的,所以我想後續我們會去加強溝通,適合的這些地,我想我們會跟縣政府一起來討論, |
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主席主席主席 |
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是,謝謝委員提醒,我個人一直覺得國土激發法的內容是不是沒有辦法像農民說得很清楚 |
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還有一點啦 |
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您說糧食國安的問題,保證也一定有保證土地是荒廢地或不正,我常常聽到學者專家那個什麼糧食國安的問題,你自己去看,現在產量提高了,你要有各種改變的方式,因為總執行歐巴基國有重點想問,改天我會跟農委會請教,你再轉告給我們的卓院長,我先讓人家出聲。 |
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再來我對苗栗一項現象我一直想要做的事情,就是指定苗栗為地區環保示範區,打造臺灣的圈圈子。我們苗栗的地方地區環保很漂亮,而且每一塊的地方交通非常的便利。我現在跟你說一個現實的問題在哪裡,苗栗一塊的啊, |
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三千平的農地內大概是1500萬至2000萬,你說有可能沒可能,反正要你們台北市的豪宅一個便宿就買不去,買新北市的房子10平就買不去,我100%的土地我沒10平,你覺得這樣有道理嗎? |
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部長你好好想我講的這個幾個問題,所以在土地內的農地、農機變成 |
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從我去編制鑑定,我們苗栗的農地地區環保,自己可以做事,什麼就受到宣示。 所以我在這裏我定了一個官僚,苗栗官僚交通很方便,到台北45分鐘,到高雄70分鐘,到台中20分鐘。 |
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所謂苗栗要蓋農舍要符合農舍的行政規定,這裏有一點,就是很困擾,農舍用地應既行配置以農地者地界線策及連接道路,不得影響農業經營用地的完整,但使特施對行者不在此限。 |
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因為特殊地形者﹐我地的經濟委員會﹐跟農業部﹐跟你們農委會的特殊地形變了。 您說不來,好啦。 你一直要知道,你平地的農地﹐平地的農地﹐跟我所剩的山坡地是沒有人,你用這樣的條件來設限。 我在這裡,地方的公務人員,沒有人敢去解釋特殊的地形,他怕變成獨立。 |
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所以我們廟裡邊85%山坡地都面臨嚴重的、苛刻的損耗,沒辦法通過。 我覺得這一點要因地制宜。 不能說在平地的農舍跟山坡地的農舍,你們要求的條件都一樣。 平地有路,山坡地要自己開。 現在山坡地要知道不一定一定山坡地缺水。 你要收農作物要缺工。 |
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臨時提案委員：陳超明 |
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所以有時候想不通,這樣你們這些都不會讓人變協,所以我在這裡, |
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其實在我們國土計畫的農事的部分的鄉村聚落的規劃裡面就可以 |
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好好 謝謝 謝謝時間已到謝謝苗栗的陳超明委員 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:18:20 - 15:34:28 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第4次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。 二、10月11日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 三、10月15日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| IVOD_ID |
155389 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155389 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-2-4 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-11T15:18:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-11T15:34:28+08:00 |
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