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好,謝謝主席。有請部長。部長。委員好。部長好。部長辛苦。部長要去的地方還有很多。等一下再一一跟您提醒。我們先來講電價。這個9月30號113年度的二次電價匯率的審議會,部長應該有掌握嘛。就是決議產業用電要調漲這個14%。 |
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請問部長 |
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現階段有相關因應嗎?有一百一十四年度的優惠電價及電價動漲進來要回歸到衛福部來編嗎?這個有因應嗎?我們社福機構本來就 |
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有編了一億七千九百十三萬一百一十四年就已經有編列了嘛對不對有有有那預算到現在還沒有過嗎啊沒有啊沒有嗎好所以沒什麼問題等他過就OK嗎要等他過啊沒有過就不OK嗎當然啦當然嘛這是今年度是114年度才編的嘛113沒有嘛對不對 |
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對嘛,預算沒有,就是新編的預算嘛,對嘛那我講得多,如果預算過就OK嘛如果預算沒有過就不OK囉是啊,因為它是新興是嘛是嘛,那要怎麼因應萬一沒有過你說預算沒有過對啊預算沒有過 |
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我們看看從法規上面有什麼狀況有什麼可以來 |
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我要跟你表達說,如果114年度的預算卡關,那到時候會不會影響到整個你要去處理的這些相關的社會的機構的這個電匯的情況,對不對?當然會,尤其是新興的計畫。是啊,所以這個你要準備要因應嘛。因為你如果沒有準備相關的因應作為,因為是新的預算,到時候就會出問題嘛。 |
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當然不是很多但是他還是要命的錢啊不要到時候讓所有我們這些身上有需要的衛生的這些用電的器材都不敢用啊那就糟糕了對啊那到時候變成部長要到很多地方去看因為都不敢用電 |
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這部長有講過吧? |
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嗯...你說...政府會申告啦!他說考量醫療院所嘛!所以...所以上禮拜...這幾天這個嘛!對嘛!對!對!對!我當然...我當然你要掌握啊!對!我知道啊!我知道!四點...兩點半你可能...喔!比較辛苦!嘿!不好意思!你沒...你沒會合的問題啦! |
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經濟部給予這個醫療院所的電價動漲本期是肯定那也要感謝部長在這過程中努力溝通但是本期也請部長看一下這個新聞電價調漲加缺工那新冠疫情再起普拉同下個月就要漲價5到6%我想這個部分我不曉得部長怎麼看待這個事情因為醫療院所會跟民生物價有相關聯那藥品也是重要的民生物品 |
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因為我們已經缺藥一段蠻長久的時間 |
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如果缺藥的話我們當然食藥署有缺藥的一個平台那如果因為成本 |
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對那部長有什麼樣的考量跟意願作為嗎? |
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在如果是要訂不到或者是那個可能這個這個我們食藥署就有一個平台只要任何缺藥的狀況我們就會馬上處理那如果是整系統性的問題我們當然會做整體的處理那如果因為 |
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因為價錢的關係的話或者是我不曉得委員是要針對他電費漲價以後剛剛電費漲價又漲價嘛又缺工嘛然後然後這成本是不是要提高嘛對那進而影響到家庭必備的這個藥品的價格也往上提高嗎當然我是很希望這些民生藥品都照顧到人民健健康的齁的單位齁都盡量能夠不要漲電費啦對 |
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那我們如果是比較屬於1、4方面 |
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部長雖然是在吳耀廷剛上任那我想你做事你是極先鋒我也期待你再把你的立委這種精神可以對衛福部相關業務做一次總體檢說真的這是有必要的但當然你要騰出一些時間出來你看監察院在9月提出糾正糾正衛福部長期忽視安置在成人機構之特殊需求兒少相關權益 |
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並未能落實兒少最佳利益何有代思這是監察院的一個報告在176名的特殊需求兒少被地方政府安置在成人機構沒有適當的療癒及照顧沒有定期的評估沒有符合兒少最佳利益甚至於有6成9兒少就這樣放任在成人機構中超過兩年還有47位到現在沒有就學 |
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我想身為這個中央主管機關衛福部疏於監督啊所以被監察院糾正但是我要恭喜部長你知道為什麼要恭喜你嗎因為萬幸的是今天是監察院提出糾正而不是小朋友出了狀況那其實齁再這樣下去狀況會越來越多狀況會擺出 |
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不然應該大家都還記得吧半年前凱凱案這半年的事情 |
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我相信幾位長官應該都有聽我講過嘛齁 |
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我們衛福有定一個叫直轄縣市運用居家托育人員照顧家外安置兒童處理原則而這個原則還說明像針對凱凱這種特殊家庭小朋友的保母還必須上課才有這個資格去帶他對不對那結果台北市他認為他自己的安置資源足夠不必遵循這樣的原則所以最後才發生這樣的憾事 |
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所以我是針對這個凱凱案來談論這個糾正案這兩個東西還是要放在一塊我要提醒部長還有提醒各位長官這個不是一個單一安置的制度出問題 對不對所以你們針對這個事情要怎麼去運用 |
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市委員我們當然本部已經很積極的督導地方政府足按全面檢視特殊需求兒童的照顧狀況擬定安置計畫那第二個當然就要增加所需要的經費第三個我們補助長照機構受制兒少專顧專門照顧的區域給他一個完整比較完整的身心發展需求的一個照顧環境 |
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部長我是這樣跟你去理解你好不好我覺得這一個月內趕快把它盤整完成啦相關的我們的準則啦地方政府是不是有照這樣子去落實啦如果沒有的話那你們要怎麼應用怎麼處置嘛然後也是也不只涵蓋兒少嘛還有老人緊急長期的這些都應該要有一定的這樣的一個SOP嘛 |
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謝謝劉委員 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:12:28 - 14:23:52 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長就「我國人工生殖法制化作業進度」、「衛生福利部落實中央政府我國少子女化對策計畫之成效與未來規劃」及「衛生福利部本月因疏於督導地方評估特殊需求兒少利益所受監察院糾正之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【10月7日及9日二天一次會】） |
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劉委員建國：（14時12分）謝謝主席，有請部長。 |
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主席：請部長。 |
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邱部長泰源：委員好。 |
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劉委員建國：部長好，部長辛苦了，部長要去的地方還有很多，等一下再一一跟你提醒。我們現在講電價，9月30日113年度的二次電價費率的審議會，部長應該有掌握嘛，就是決議產業用電要調漲14%，過去在社福機構、身障機構、服務機構、護理之家使用維生器材及必要的生活器具的身心障礙者家庭有電價的優惠，因應這一次的台電漲價，行政院也依照電業法已經指示並拍板114年的優惠電價及電價凍漲金額要回歸到衛福部內來編列，請問部長，現階段有相關因應嗎？ |
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邱部長泰源：不好意思，請問委員是講這一次嗎？ |
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劉委員建國：對啊！114年度的優惠電價及電價凍漲金額要回歸到衛福部來編，這個有因應嗎？ |
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邱部長泰源：社福機構本來就有編了1億7,913萬。 |
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劉委員建國：所以已經編列了嘛，對不對？那預算到現在還沒有過嘛？ |
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邱部長泰源：還沒有。 |
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劉委員建國：所以沒什麼問題，等它過了就OK，沒有過就不OK嘛！ |
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邱部長泰源：當然啦！ |
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劉委員建國：是114年度才編的嘛，113年沒有嘛，對不對？對嘛？113年沒有，就是新編的預算嘛。那我講的如果預算過就OK嘛，如果預算沒有過就不OK囉？ |
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邱部長泰源：是啊，因為它是新興的。 |
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劉委員建國：是嘛！那要怎麼因應？萬一沒有過的話。 |
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邱部長泰源：你說預算沒有過喔？ |
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劉委員建國：對啊！ |
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邱部長泰源：預算沒有過的話，大家想辦法。 |
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劉委員建國：部長，你不能這樣回答我啦，我當然會跟你一起想辦法，但是你說「大家」這個範圍要到什麼程度？ |
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邱部長泰源：我們看看從法規上面有什麼狀況可以來…… |
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劉委員建國：我是要跟你表達，如果114年度的預算卡關，到時候會不會影響到整個你要去處理這些相關社福機構電費的情況。 |
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邱部長泰源：當然會，尤其是新興的計畫。 |
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劉委員建國：是啊！所以這個你要準備要因應嘛，你如果沒有準備相關的因應作為，因為是新的預算，到時候就會出問題嘛！一億多當然不是很多，但是這還是要命的錢啊！到時候如果讓所有這些身心障礙朋友，有需要的用電維生器材都不敢用，那就糟糕了。 |
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邱部長泰源：當然。 |
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劉委員建國：那到時候變成部長要到很多地方去看，因為他們都不敢用電了，所以你也要去看啊！ |
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邱部長泰源：是。 |
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劉委員建國：經濟部發一個新聞稿，考量到醫療院所與民生物價的相關性較高，因此全部改為凍漲，這個部長有掌握吧？ |
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邱部長泰源：就這幾天這個事情嘛！ |
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劉委員建國：對嘛！ |
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邱部長泰源：我當然有掌握，我知道。 |
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劉委員建國：已經下午2點多了，部長比較辛苦，你的血壓沒有問題吧？經濟部給予醫療院所電價凍漲，本席是肯定，也要感謝部長在這過程努力溝通，但是本席也請部長看一下這個新聞：電價調漲加缺工，新冠疫情再起，普拿疼下個月就要漲價5～6%。我不曉得部長怎麼看待這個事情，因為醫療院所會跟民生物價有相關聯，藥品也是重要的民生必需品，像普拿疼基本上就是家庭的常備用藥，對不對？ |
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邱部長泰源：是。 |
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劉委員建國：如果在這波產業用電調漲中，製藥業也是要調啊，會不會有連鎖的反應進而影響到需求者？所以這個是很嚴重的問題，因為我們已經缺藥一段蠻長久的時間，到現在還有很多的藥品沒有補齊，彼此之間還在借調來借調去，狀況也蠻多的，我今天才跟健保署討論這個事情而已，那這個部分部長怎麼因應？ |
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邱部長泰源：如果缺藥的話，當然食藥署有缺藥的一個平台，如果因為成本像電價漲或是各種原料成本漲，變成要漲價，這個我們當然要來想辦法，總是影響到人民，提高價錢就是影響到人民的用藥，所以這個的確是要考量。 |
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劉委員建國：對，部長有什麼樣的考量跟因應作為嗎？ |
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邱部長泰源：如果是藥訂不到，我們食藥署就有一個平台，只要有任何缺藥的狀況就會馬上處理；如果是系統性的問題，當然會做整體的處理；如果因為價錢的關係或者是……我不曉得委員是要針對電費漲價以後…… |
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劉委員建國：電費漲價又缺工，這成本勢必要提高，這個會影響到家庭必備藥品的價格也會往上提高。 |
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邱部長泰源：當然我是很希望這些照顧到人民健康的民生藥品還有單位都儘量不要漲電費，因為其實這次持續到現在…… |
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劉委員建國：所以部長就講到重點，這個事情還有沒有機會來努力？ |
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邱部長泰源：我今天早上也有談過，說如果有各個單位比較符合條件的，我覺得都可以來跟經濟部反映，如果是比較屬於醫事方面領域，或者是社福方面領域，我們都會來幫忙。 |
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劉委員建國：OK，那就請部長朝這個方向來努力。 |
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邱部長泰源：一定、一定。 |
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劉委員建國：應該是大家有討論爭取的空間，就請部長辛苦一些了，好不好？ |
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邱部長泰源：好，沒問題。 |
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劉委員建國：第二件事情，剛才講到特殊的兒童，當然就必須要特殊的照顧，部長雖然在520剛上任，我想你做事情是急先鋒，我也期待你把之前當立委這種精神來對衛福部相關業務做一次總體檢，說真的這是有必要的。 |
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邱部長泰源：是。 |
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劉委員建國：當然你要騰出一些時間出來，監察院在9月提出糾正，糾正衛福部長期忽視安置在成人機構之特殊需求兒少相關權益，並未能落實兒少最佳利益，核有怠失。這是監察院的報告。在176名特殊需求兒少被地方政府安置在成人機構，沒有適當的療癒及照顧，沒有定期的評估，沒有符合兒少最佳利益，甚至於有六成九兒少就這樣放任在成人機構中超過兩年，還有47位到現在沒有就學，身為中央主管機關衛福部疏於監督而被監察院糾正。但是我要恭喜部長，你知道我為什麼要恭喜你嗎？因為萬幸的是今天是監察院提出糾正，而不是小朋友出了狀況，其實再這樣下去狀況會越來越多，狀況會百出。 |
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大家應該都還記得半年前的剴剴案，這半年的事情，大家記憶猶新，要說是地方政府亂了分寸、亂了套，沒有照SOP去執行，然後我們衛福部的監管機制也出了問題，事實就如此。所以部長在520就任之後，我希望要去針對這個事情做整個一次性的盤整。我當時針對剴剴案在這個委員會特別提到，我相信幾位長官應該都有聽我講過，衛福部有訂定一個叫直轄市、縣（市）政府運用居家托育人員照顧家外安置兒童處理原則，而這個原則來說明像針對剴剴這種特殊家庭小朋友的保母還必須上課才有這個資格去帶他，對不對？結果臺北市認為自己的安置資源足夠，不必遵循這樣的原則，最後才發生這樣的憾事。我是針對剴剴案來談論這個糾正案，這兩個東西還是要放在一塊，我要提醒部長及提醒各位長官，這個不是一個單一安置的制度出問題，對不對？你們針對這個事情要怎麼去因應？ |
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邱部長泰源：第一，本部已經很積極的督導地方政府逐案全面檢視特殊需求兒童的照顧狀況，擬定安置計畫；第二，當然就增加所需要的經費；第三，我們補助長照機構設置兒少專門照顧的區域，給予比較完整的身心發展需求的照護環境。 |
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劉委員建國：部長，我跟你具體建議好不好？我覺得1個月內趕快把它盤整完成，擬定相關的準則，看地方政府是不是有照這樣子去落實，如果沒有的話，你們要怎麼因應、處置？再者不只涵蓋兒少，還有針對老人的緊急或長期照護，這些都應該要有一定的SOP，所訂定出來的準則，地方政府是不是有照這樣去遵守？如果沒有你們要如何處理？是不是整個做一個大盤整？ |
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邱部長泰源：是，我們要盤整一下。 |
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劉委員建國：否則你會變成很多地方都需要去看喔！ |
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邱部長泰源：我們盤整之後做系統性的改善。 |
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劉委員建國：1個月的時間報給我們，可以嗎？ |
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邱部長泰源：好。 |
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劉委員建國：謝謝部長。 |
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主席（蘇委員清泉）：謝謝劉委員，謝謝部長。 |
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繼續請陳瑩委員質詢。 |
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委員會-11-2-26-2 |
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蘇清泉 |
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林月琴 |
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陳昭姿 |
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陳菁徽 |
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廖偉翔 |
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盧縣一 |
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林淑芬 |
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邱鎮軍 |
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王育敏 |
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王正旭 |
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黃秀芳 |
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李坤城 |
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楊曜 |
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黃國昌 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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林楚茵 |
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洪申翰 |
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黃捷 |
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吳春城 |
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洪孟楷 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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何欣純 |
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林宜瑾 |
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羅智強 |
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張雅琳 |
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涂權吉 |
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陳培瑜 |
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劉建國 |
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陳瑩 |
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林倩綺 |
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張嘉郡 |
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257 |
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2024-10-09 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1138201 |
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1138201_00006 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請衛生福利部部長就「我國人工生殖法制化作業進度」、「衛生福利部落實中央政府我國少子
女化對策計畫之成效與未來規劃」及「衛生福利部本月因疏於督導地方評估特殊需求兒少利益所
受監察院糾正之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1138201_00005 |
| IVOD_ID |
155367 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155367 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-2 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-09T14:12:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-09T14:23:52+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |