| IVOD_ID |
155348 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155348 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-09T13:13:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-09T13:21:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| video_url |
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謝謝主席。陽泉發言,邀請部長。部長請。 |
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委員好部長好我要跟你討論電價的問題是因為這一次呢在電價審議委會他就通過要漲價漲價了之後我們發覺到醫療院所24小時不能斷電ICU開刀房更是要低溫才能夠殺菌在這樣的情況之下如果在這個階段又把醫療院所 |
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的這個店家長了14%那這個真的是白色巨塔的噩夢對不對所以我們大家跟著我們的召委大家一起反應終於部長也聽到了院長也聽到了所以他就在隔天就公告了我們的這個醫療院所他 |
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他是什麼?不是部長喔,而是董長,對不對?當你提到你聽到董長的時候,你心裡會怕怕嗎?我們反應了,他董長。我們不反應,他就順勢給你長。但是你是這個議界的大家長。我們看到這樣子想要強度關山,還好被我們攔阻了。但是這是短暫的。 |
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所以針對於醫療院所的電力的問題你有什麼看法?怎麼協助他們? |
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是因為的確齁因為如果讓醫療院所能夠順利運作才能夠照顧好人民的健康所以我想感謝各位委員齁幫助醫療院所讓他們能夠更加的能夠順暢來運作就是我們務必要全力以赴但是一朝被蛇咬十年怕草啊沒關係啦因為這次這次不關這次齁就是說 |
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因為這是審議委員會,他也沒有去分清楚,他覺得這個農漁業什麼什麼,所以受益就在動,受益動長。所以當你碰到這樣子的,面對這樣的問題,你怎麼處置?我們當然去反映說醫療跟,我想我們的心情都跟委員一樣。你怎麼來什麼動作?你什麼動作來協助我們的醫療院所? |
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你要有動作啊你是大家長欸對不對有兩個意見第一個告訴政府醫療院所不要去照顧全民這是立足點最重要的公平點認不認同要不要去講有這個我們都有反應第一個第二個有人就呼籲 |
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也就是說那萬一他如果真的要漲我們怎麼辦那也不能倒這是生命只有一個非常嚴肅的議題所以因此是不是應該要編列公務預算來補助我們的醫療院所的電價有沒有這個思維 |
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有人提出這樣子所以本席要提出這也是可以研議的一個方法研議的方法齁我請你研議好不好因為我覺得醫生啊醫療院所你不要再煩惱了他全力的一道專業來照顧人民的健康好不好所以你說這個是一個方向你去研議好不好我完全是站在怎麼樣維護全民的健康一定要有好的醫療院所來照顧你去研議大概多久時間可以告訴本席 |
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在外國可以告訴我這個方案 |
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那你多久可以告訴我你的方案? |
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讓醫界放心嗎?安心嗎?你多久可以提出?我想我們原理一個月就...一個月告訴我們是不是會用公務預算編列來撥補我們的醫療院所的電費這個調漲的電價我想只要合理的只要我們爭取有道理我相信以目前的 |
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再一個議題告訴你新冠肺炎感染了這30天內的死亡率 |
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那麼呢他跟他相對你非再次感染的我還比較起來是4.29倍在這樣的情況之下我們又用年齡層的級距來討論18到49歲的族群來作為65歲到74歲他的風險是高於65到74 |
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風險是高於22.7倍75歲以上的長輩是116.4倍在這樣情況之下如果我們有預防性只要有症狀就篩檢才不會又再次感染所以本席要跟你討論的是說那麼我們也曾經碰到很多的陳情案件他不知道他又得了新冠所以他又去看長輩結果長輩感染了一個月後沒了 |
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哇 這個很難過的事情這個是可以預防的所以本席要請教在這樣的情況之下我們到底我們新共的防疫預算我竟然看到明年的預算是零欸我嚇一跳 |
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為什麼明年的防疫預算是零呢?有兩個因素第一個你認為完全管控不可能我給你答案不可能第二個你掉以輕心所以我請教部長在這樣的情況之下你要怎麼樣趁著現在預算重溢的時候你應該要把這筆預算要放上去吧真正的照顧人民吧請做說明 |
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好 謝謝委員 這個我有跟集官署做詳細的討論第一個就是我們在12月底還有一筆錢可以購買那個藥物或相關的那個疫苗還有藥物 藥物現在的準備大概 |
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2345 |
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那當然那個 |
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部長,你超前來預防甚過於你後面治療所要花的費用嘛,好不好?本期具體提出,我希望得到你的支持,好不好?是。好,是就是支持喔。 |
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謝謝楊瓊英委員 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:13:03 - 13:21:20 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長就「我國人工生殖法制化作業進度」、「衛生福利部落實中央政府我國少子女化對策計畫之成效與未來規劃」及「衛生福利部本月因疏於督導地方評估特殊需求兒少利益所受監察院糾正之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【10月7日及9日二天一次會】） |
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主席：部長請。 |
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邱部長泰源：委員好。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：部長好。我要跟你討論電價的問題，因為這一次在電價審議委員會通過了要漲價，漲價之後，我們發覺醫療院所24小時不能斷電，ICU、開刀房更是要低溫才能夠殺菌，在這樣的情況之下，如果在這個階段又把醫療院所的電價調漲14%，這真的是白色巨塔的惡夢！對不對？所以我們大家就跟著我們的召委一起反應，終於部長聽到了，院長也聽到了，所以隔天就公告醫療院所不是不漲，而是凍漲。當你聽到凍漲的時候，心裡會不會害怕？我們反應了，它凍漲；我們不反應，它就順勢給你漲！它想要強渡關山，還好被我們攔阻了，但這是短暫的，你是醫界的大家長，對於醫療院所的電力問題，你有什麼看法？要怎麼協助他們？ |
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邱部長泰源：是的，的確要讓醫療院所運能夠順利運作，才能夠照顧好人民的健康，感謝各位委員幫助醫療院所，讓他們能夠更加順暢的來運作…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我們務必要全力以赴，但是一朝被蛇咬，十年怕草繩！ |
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邱部長泰源：不要緊啦！因為這次…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：遇到這樣的事情，還不要緊？ |
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邱部長泰源：因為這次是審議委員會沒有去分得那麼清楚，他覺得就農漁業什麼，所以…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：當你碰到這樣子的面向，你怎麼處置？ |
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邱部長泰源：我們當然去反應說醫療……我想我們的心情都跟委員一樣啦。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你有什麼樣的動作來協助我們的醫療院所？你要有動作啊！你是大家長，對不對？我有兩個意見，第一個告訴政府，醫療院所不能漲價，照顧全民是最重要、公平的立足點，你認不認同？要不要去講？ |
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邱部長泰源：這個我們都有反應。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好。第二個，有人就呼籲萬一真的要漲，我們怎麼辦？也不能讓它倒，因為生命只有一個，是非常嚴肅的議題，因此是不是應該要編列公務預算來補助醫療院所的電價？有沒有這個思維？因為有人提出這樣的建議。 |
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邱部長泰源：這也是可以研議的一個方法。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：既是研議的方法，我請你研議好不好？因為我們不要再讓醫生、醫療院所煩惱，讓他的醫療專業全力來照顧人民的健康，好不好？ |
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邱部長泰源：謝謝。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你說這是一個方向，請你去研議好不好，用公務預算的方式？ |
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邱部長泰源：我想站在怎麼樣維護全民的健康，一定要有好的醫療院所來照顧…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：請你去研議，大概多久時間可以告訴本席這個方案？就是用公務預算來編列的這個方向？ |
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邱部長泰源：我想現在是預防性，目前是凍漲，將來是不是……有可能必須要漲的時候，我們也要有因應方式…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：所以你的因應方式裡面，這個是不是也納入你的考量之一？ |
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邱部長泰源：我想我們來研議因應方式，未來要怎麼因應。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：對。你多久可以告訴我你的方案，讓醫界放心嘛！安心嘛！ |
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邱部長泰源：我想我們研議一個月。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：一個月告訴我們，是不是會用編列公務預算來撥補我們醫療院所調漲的電價。 |
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邱部長泰源：我想只要合理的，只要我們爭取有道理，相信以目前的行政院都會儘量支持。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我全力支持你，趕快幫我們編列，一個月內告訴本席。 |
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邱部長泰源：這次行政院也是有支持。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：本席再告訴你一個議題，新冠肺炎再次感染者30天內的死亡率，與非再次感染者相比增加4.29倍；如果用年齡層的級距來討論，相較於18歲到49歲的族群，65歲到74歲長者的死亡風險升高22.7倍，75歲以上的長輩則升高116.4倍，在這樣情況下，如果我們有預防性，只要有症狀就篩檢，比較不會又再次感染。 |
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本席要跟你討論的是，我們也曾經碰到很多的陳情案件，他不知道自己又得了新冠，結果他去看長輩，長輩也感染了，一個月後就沒了，真的是很難過的事情；這個原本是可以預防的。在這樣情況底下，本席要請教新冠防疫預算，但是本席看到明年的新冠防疫預算竟然是零，我嚇了一跳，為什麼明年的防疫預算是零呢？有兩個因素，第一個你認為完全管控！我給你的答案是不可能；第二個是你掉以輕心！在這樣的情況之下，部長要怎麼去處理？是不是趁著現在預算重議的時候，把這一筆預算放上去，來真正的照顧人民，請做說明。 |
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邱部長泰源：謝謝委員，這個部分我有跟疾管署做詳細的討論，第一個，我們在12月底還有一筆錢可以購買那個藥物…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：篩劑？ |
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邱部長泰源：還有相關的疫苗，藥物現在的準備大概都很充分，所以藥物的整備、疫苗的購買…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：快篩的部分呢？你要有症狀，去快篩之後才不會傳染給別人啊！對不對？ |
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邱部長泰源：快篩的部分現在已經變成比較自費了。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你有流感的，那你又有這種症狀，他以為我只是感冒，結果他是得了新冠啊！你去考慮好不好？我充分建議，預防重於治療，你篩流感也要篩新冠嘛！對不對？像這樣他以為只是感冒，他又去看長輩，那長輩飛上天了誰負責啊！對不對？ |
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邱部長泰源：如果是高危險群的，我們健保有給付，篩檢是有給付，那當然…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：部長，你超前來預防，勝過於你後面治療所要花的費用嘛！好不好？ |
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邱部長泰源：當然，所以篩檢…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：本席具體提出，我希望得到你的支持，好不好？ |
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邱部長泰源：是。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：是就是支持喔！你把方案給我，好不好？ |
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邱部長泰源：支持…… |
| gazette.blocks[43][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：預防重於治療啊！ |
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邱部長泰源：當然。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：當然嘛！你那個新冠的快篩…… |
| gazette.blocks[46][0] |
邱部長泰源：這是最重要的事情。 |
| gazette.blocks[47][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：快篩你要准啊！你要做啊！對不對？ |
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邱部長泰源：我們看看怎麼樣落實篩檢。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好。 |
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邱部長泰源：讓整個醫療體系動起來幫忙，謝謝。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，現在這個預算編列零，嚇死人了！好不好？謝謝。 |
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邱部長泰源：謝謝。 |
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主席：好，謝謝楊瓊瓔委員、謝謝部長，接續我們請何欣純委員質詢。 |
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346 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-26-2 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
蘇清泉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
林月琴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
陳昭姿 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
陳菁徽 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
廖偉翔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
盧縣一 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
林淑芬 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
邱鎮軍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
王育敏 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
王正旭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
黃秀芳 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
李坤城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
楊曜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
黃國昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
林楚茵 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
洪申翰 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
黃捷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
吳春城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
何欣純 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
林宜瑾 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[23] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[24] |
張雅琳 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[25] |
涂權吉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[26] |
陳培瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[27] |
劉建國 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[28] |
陳瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[29] |
林倩綺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[30] |
張嘉郡 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
257 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-10-09 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1138201 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1138201_00006 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請衛生福利部部長就「我國人工生殖法制化作業進度」、「衛生福利部落實中央政府我國少子
女化對策計畫之成效與未來規劃」及「衛生福利部本月因疏於督導地方評估特殊需求兒少利益所
受監察院糾正之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1138201_00005 |