| IVOD_ID |
155311 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155311 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-35-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-09T11:21:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-09T11:30:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| video_url |
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主任好,我想台灣非常榮耀的就是我們整個醫療體系,所以醫療體系我們努力也跟卓院長一直在討論,跟邱部長在討論,也就是點子議題。那終於,雖然卓院長跟邱部長不太同調,但是方向一致。 |
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明年的一點零點九五那邱部長也有這個目標也有這個信心我們大家一起努力但是我們看到進來的跟我們的成本就這一次在醫界裡頭的電力問題因為它24小時不能停所以我們立即反映像這麼重大你竟然讓醫院要漲價 |
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那這個同步的又會嫁禍到我們整個人民這是非常的不公平的一件事情因為你的政策錯誤要讓人民來受苦這是不對的所以還好他們也聽到了這個聲音那麼也將醫療院所的就動長但是我要提醒主委你是大家長籠總體系全部都在這裡現在是動長 |
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而不是不漲什麼時候又要漲你的成本要怎麼增加這個是非常嚴肅的一個議題這一次我們擋掉了這個漲價的問題但是我們還是非常的害怕我們謹慎所以因此你是大家長你要嚴正以待對不對你要充分的告訴政府醫療體系不能亂漲 |
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我24小時ICU什麼通通都不能漲欸都不能停欸你一漲了我怎麼辦啊我現在就生靈塗炭了我告訴你對不對你要大聲像我這個精神告訴政府他就聽得到 |
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醫務比． |
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這個仍舊是怎麼樣的不足所以你去精進那個方案你順便資料給本席就好多久時間給我對多久時間可以給我 |
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我希望護兵比他還有下修的空間那怎麼樣讓他們可以留得住這是你大家長的責任一個月將經濟方案給本席 |
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北龍 |
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主任委員．楊瓊瓔 |
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我們既然已經有了,可以當一個典範,大家來磨,來學習,因為每一個區塊的樣態不一樣,所以本市非常希望,政府也有規定啊,你多少人你就要設啊,你幹嘛政府自己帶頭,對不對,違法,不讓他們安心啊,你看我的助理,他生了一個baby,他把孩子帶到那邊再來上班, |
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午休時間去幾更啊?嘿!非常好!他一樣可以工作!也一樣這樣子兼顧!要不要去盤點啊?要不要去盤點?院主委 |
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這個托嬰中心的確是非常重要的現在目前我們榮民體系只有中榮他是有這個托嬰中心的其他各榮院因為考量這個地方的一個要不要去盤點目的加強醫務人員在他生孩子之後他可以重返回來啊這些有經驗有能力的不能讓他跑掉啊對不對 |
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安定人心是你要不要做啊要做要做齁你去盤點好不好你去盤點之後看要怎麼做請各位委員會盤點盡量能夠推動盡量能夠推動那同時這個我很感謝你多久時間要告訴我你去盤點這個要一點時間讓各位委員會盤點沒關係你告訴我幾個月的時間每年都有盤點多久時間要多久時間 |
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我們把盤點的結果看是不是三個月,因為榮業有16所榮業。三個月時間去盤點也嚴厲方案。我們行刑監禁去把它監禁嘛。因為你既然招不到人,你至少讓你現在內部的人可以安定下來。他生孩子之後他還可以再緩回耶,對不對。這是我們既有的就不能讓他跑掉嘛。 |
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同不同意這個論調了解了解了解是同意不同意同意同意三個月內去進行接下來我告訴你一個嚴肅的應該要做的應該要做謝謝你我告訴你一個議題我們每一天啊在拜託病房陳情安太可憐了我們也沒辦法所以你要從根 |
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去解決現在的入病房啊大概都是96%、97%、98%更何況有那個急急路路人在急診室突然間要來的對不對你現在的病房已經飽和到這個程度你該怎麼辦你不能拒絕病人我們榮總是金字招牌要怎麼辦要怎麼辦所以主委這是你的功課 |
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你去盤點他已經90幾%的你要找邱部長啊對不對你找他來橫向討論我這哪一個院所可以再增加多少病房你要幫我請我們龍總的負責人自己去趕快想辦法對不對你當一個大家長你必須要去解決根本的問題根本的問題好不好全部滿90幾% |
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那你要怎麼去解決我把這個功課給你我把這個功課給你真正的來照顧我們的人民嘛因為你不能拒絕病人好不好 |
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美其名我稱讚你說入病房的都97、98、99%甚至超標有的留在這個急診室沒有病房其實都超過二吧都100%啦都100%了我把這個社會現象我想主委你拼命點頭你也知道這個問題北龍的陳院長你站上來你可以告訴我方案嗎對不對你要告訴我方案啊你怎麼樣 |
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因為所有的院所都一樣都需要啊所以部長等一下陳院長回答以前部長你要多跟邱部長喝咖啡對不對源頭在那裡啊合不合準在那裡啊對不對你不要讓底下的跳腳啊你要多跟邱部長喝咖啡嘛好不好主委你有沒有跟邱部長喝過咖啡你同意誰 |
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謝謝楊瓊瓔你同意他沒用啊 邱部長衛福部不給你同意啊聯同部在這裡啊 會不會給你同意啊 原主委我們都跟衛福部溝通 會溝通常常溝通所以現在還是百分之一百零幾 還是不夠 |
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那部長還沒那個主委還沒什麼方案去盡進好不好好不好這個就是我們當主管你必須大家長你要去解決根源的問題告訴政府我不夠我願意做你要趕快合宗我好嗎對我會跟他說你會跟他說那你可以可以帶一杯咖啡去建議你謝謝 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:21:42 - 11:30:36 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員嚴德發報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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楊委員瓊瓔：（11時21分）謝謝主席，楊瓊瓔發言，邀請主委。 |
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主席：請主委。 |
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嚴主任委員德發：楊委員好。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：主委好。我想臺灣非常榮耀的就是我們整個醫療體系，關於醫療體系，我們也很努力地一直與卓院長、邱部長討論點值議題，雖然卓院長與邱部長不太同調，但是方向一致，明年1點就是0.95，邱部長也有這個目標、也有這個信心，我們大家一起努力。但是我們看到近來的成本，關於這次醫界的電力問題，因為它是24小時不能停，所以我們立即反映，像這麼重大的問題，竟然要對醫院漲價，同步又會轉嫁到人民身上，這是非常不公平的一件事情。因為你的政策錯誤，卻要讓人民來受苦，這是不對的，還好他們也聽到了這個聲音，於是將醫療院所的部分凍漲。但是我要提醒主委，你是大家長，榮總體系全部都在這裡，現在是凍漲，而不是不漲，什麼時候又要漲、你的成本要怎麼增加是非常嚴肅的議題。這一次被我們擋掉了漲價的問題，但我們還是非常害怕，所以我們必須要謹慎，而你身為大家長就要嚴陣以待，對不對？ |
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嚴主任委員德發：是，謝謝委員照顧我們。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你要充分地告訴政府，醫療體系不能亂漲，像ICU必須24小時待命，通通都不能停耶！你一漲了，我怎麼辦啊？我現在就生靈塗炭了，我告訴你！對不對？你要像我這個精神，大聲地告訴政府，它就聽得到了！你願不願意這麼做？ |
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嚴主任委員德發：謝謝委員對我們榮總的照顧，榮總的院長都在這裡，他們一定會感謝委員的指導。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：感謝是另外一回事，但你身為大家長，要不要隨時嚴陣以待啊？ |
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嚴主任委員德發：是，我當然嚴陣以待。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：聽到蛛絲馬跡時就趕快講，這樣就有救了，預防就會有救了。 |
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接下來本席要與你討論醫護比，這個仍舊是相當地不足，所以你去精進那個方案，只要提供書面資料給本席即可，多久的時間可以給我？主委，多久時間可以給我啊？ |
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嚴主任委員德發：1個月的時間會把資料提供給委員。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，把精進方案提供給本席，我希望護病比還有下修的空間，怎麼樣能夠留得住他們，這是你身為大家長的責任，1個月內將精進方案提供給本席。 |
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自本席從政以來，希望投資教育能永遠存在，我們要減少員工的離職潮，讓他們能夠安心照顧病患。我看到北榮有附設榮光幼稚園，收2歲至6歲的孩子，中榮有0歲至2歲的托嬰，在我們立法院的轉角也有，其他的沒有啊，怎麼辦呢？主委，你有沒有發覺這個問題？我們已經有的就可以當成典範，讓其他單位來觀摩學習。因為每個區塊的樣態不一樣，所以本席非常希望……其實政府也有相關的規定，有多少員工以上就要設置，總不能政府自己帶頭違法，不讓他們安心啊！像我的助理生了一個baby，她就把孩子帶到那邊再來上班，午休時間去擠個奶，非常好！她一樣可以工作、也一樣可以兼顧到孩子。要不要去盤點啊？要不要去盤點，嚴主委？ |
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嚴主任委員德發：托嬰中心的確是非常重要，目前我們的榮民體系只有中榮有托嬰中心，其他各榮院因為考量地方的環境…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：要不要去盤點？目的是讓醫護人員生完小孩之後可以重返職場，不能讓這些有經驗、有能力的人跑掉啊！對不對？ |
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嚴主任委員德發：安定人心。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你要不要做啊？ |
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嚴主任委員德發：要做。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：要做喔！ |
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嚴主任委員德發：是。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你去盤點，好不好？你去盤點之後，再看看要怎麼做。 |
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嚴主任委員德發：是，幾個榮院會進行盤點，盡量去推動。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：盡量去推動？ |
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嚴主任委員德發：是。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我很感謝，多久時間要去盤點？ |
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嚴主任委員德發：這個需要一點時間，讓各榮院去盤點。 |
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嚴主任委員德發：是不是給我們3個月，因為我們有16所榮院？ |
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楊委員瓊瓔：3個月的時間去盤點並研議方案，我們就循序漸進地去精進它嘛！既然你們招不到人，至少要讓現在內部的人可以安定下來，生完孩子之後可以再返回職場，對不對？既有的人員就不能讓他跑掉嘛！同不同意這個論調？ |
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嚴主任委員德發：了解。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：了解是同意或不同意？ |
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嚴主任委員德發：同意。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：3個月內去精進。 |
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嚴主任委員德發：是，這是應該要做的。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：應該要做，謝謝你。 |
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接下來要告訴你一個議題，我們每天都收到拜託尋找病房的陳情案，太可憐了，我們也沒辦法，所以你要從根去解決。現在入病房大概都是96%、97%、98%，更何況有那種急急如律令的在急診室忽然間就要來的，對不對？現在你們的病房已經飽和到這個程度，怎麼辦？你不能拒絕病人，我們榮總是金字招牌，要怎麼辦？要怎麼辦？主委，這是你的功課。你要去盤點，已經達到了百分之九十幾，所以你要找邱部長啊！對不對？你找他來橫向討論，哪一個院所可以再增加多少病房，要他幫你，請榮總的負責人自己去，趕快想辦法，對不對？你當一個大家長，必須要去解決根本的問題，好不好？全部滿是百分之九十幾，你要怎麼去解決？我把這個功課給你，我把這個功課給你，真正地來照顧我們的人民，因為你不能拒絕病人，好不好？美其名，我稱讚你們的入病房率都是97%、98%、99%，甚至是超標，有的還留在急診室，因為沒有病房，其實都是超過over、都是100%了。對於我講的這個社會現象，主委，你頻頻點頭，想必你也知道這個問題。 |
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嚴主任委員德發：了解。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：北榮的陳院長，你站上來，你可以告訴我方案嗎？對不對？你要告訴我方案啊？因為所有的院所都一樣需要啊！部長，你要多與邱部長喝咖啡，對不對？源頭在那裡啊！核不核准就在那裡啊！對不對？你不要讓底下的人跳腳啊！ |
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嚴主任委員德發：是。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你要多與邱部長喝咖啡，好不好？主委，你有沒有與邱部長喝過咖啡？ |
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陳院長威明：不用喝咖啡，我都會同意他。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你同意誰？ |
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陳院長威明：謝謝楊委員。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你同意他沒用啊！衛福部邱部長不同意啊！ |
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嚴主任委員德發：他會向上…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：源頭不在這裡啊！會不會同意你？嚴主委？ |
| gazette.blocks[44][0] |
陳院長威明：我們與衛福部的溝通無礙。 |
| gazette.blocks[45][0] |
嚴主任委員德發：會溝通。 |
| gazette.blocks[46][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：會溝通？ |
| gazette.blocks[47][0] |
陳院長威明：常常溝通。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：常常溝通？所以現在還是百分之一百零幾、還是不夠，主委，還有沒有什麼方案去精進，好不好？我們身為主管、身為大家長，你就必須要去解決根源的問題，告訴政府，我不夠！我願意做，你要趕快核准，好嗎？ |
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嚴主任委員德發：我會跟他說。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你要跟他說？建議你可以帶一杯咖啡過去，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[51][0] |
主席（陳委員冠廷代）：謝謝楊瓊瓔委員。 |
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接下來請林憶君委員質詢。 |
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330 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-35-3 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
林憶君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
羅美玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
陳永康 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
沈伯洋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
林楚茵 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
馬文君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
徐巧芯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
洪申翰 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
王定宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
黃仁 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
麥玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
279 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-10-09 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1138001 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1138001_00006 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員嚴德發報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1138001_00005 |