| IVOD_ID |
155206 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155206 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-07T12:54:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-07T13:01:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
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謝謝主席 請各位先進有請速發部的黃部長還有NCC的翁代主委還有金管會的邱副主委還有警政署的副署長還有李副署長 |
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先請三位長官上來主要是各位看一個數字我們說明年要編70幾億要打詐結果越打詐騙越多這個去年度一整年從去年到去年6月到今年的5月總共詐騙的金額是102億 |
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結果今年6月到8月3個月257億是去年整年度的2.5倍這個政府還不是普通的無人老百姓最關心的是什麼你隨便做民調現在老百姓最切身之痛的就是詐騙然後為什麼一開始請三個單位上來大家點名 |
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委員好 |
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李長官請問你因為你是第一線被詐騙之後大概能夠拿回來多少請問你報告委目前沒有最完美的統計數字有啊這數字啦怎麼沒有我都查過了查貨大概一成啦 |
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所以在這裡你同意吧?差不多一成嘛對不對?差不多一成啦!就是說假如你被騙了一千萬你大概最多拿回來一百萬左右一百萬左右!多久可以拿到?要經過整個司法的循序對!那是多久?那是多久?應該要看個案的平均!目前沒有這方面的數據有啦!我都查過了!你說沒有!什麼都沒有! |
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你今天來都沒有你低限的啊憑這樣一年啦一年起跳啦對不對對吧這是不是對吧那後面的賽科對不對那應該看司法這方面的資料這差不多一年啦同意吧點頭嘛齁我這個資料都是跟你們對過好幾次的啦那啦就是說警政署來證實 |
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我們大概一年左右能夠拿回來最多一成大家心裡會很痛我開了幾次的公聽會那個那個有人退休主將積蓄一千萬最多加一加一千兩千萬一下子被騙走了被騙走了請問你的副署長騙得最多的樣態是什麼 |
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最多的樣態是什麼樣態是假投資假投資還有第二個是假網拍假投資假網拍這個是NCC管理事務部事務部說到這 |
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因為這個我們這邊是就是網路如果它是經過網路廣告平台像Facebook這個我們就是源頭我們就會處理就你處理可是現在沒有法給你你也不敢有問題不敢把它移除啊你沒有移除啊對不對 |
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我們現在有通報系統就是說如果確定這個廣告是假名的廣告我們通報向賴士葆他會在20...要不要檢察官那邊同意你才能夠移除下架是不需要的你直接下架了對不對直接通報賴士葆下架好直接通報好那個翁...翁處委啊 |
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委員好你們這裡做什麼事我們的部分就是有關於電話那我在報告裡面已經詳述了從112年5月那時候的那個境外的詐騙電話是5080萬通到我們除做了那個境外電話的攔阻警示現在只剩下1230012300多通就表示說這個詐騙電話減少了75%這個是有數據的好 那個邱副主委 |
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根文報告金管會部分我們督導金融機構從他的臨櫃跟網路銀行相關這個加強關懷提問跟這個技術上的一個房主 |
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另外就是配合各個部會大家一起來做一些宣導工作尤其剛才委員提到的這個投資詐騙的部分在投信頭部法修正以後我們在整個主動收報的部分已經收報到5萬多家5萬多則的話我們就是依照規定他是詐騙的我們就是提到這個警政署裡面讓他去下架 |
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你這樣攔阻了多少錢?有沒有?算一下。你們成功攔阻了多少錢?不匯出去有沒有? |
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所以你要吹噓的就是因為你們有林桂關懷所以減少可能100億的損失是這樣子嗎? |
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警政單位也幫忙警察機關一起來做處理來攔阻謝謝 |
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好,我們下次再有最後再問你,謝謝。 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:54:36 - 13:01:20 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員、行政院打擊詐欺指揮中心、法務部、內政部警政署、內政部警政署刑事警察局、金融監督管理委員會就「我國打詐成效與防制」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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賴委員士葆：（12時54分）謝謝主席及各位先進，有請數發部黃部長、NCC的翁代主委、金管會的邱副主委和警政署的副署長。 |
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主席：請黃部長、翁代主委、邱副主委和李副署長。 |
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賴委員士葆：先請三位長官上來主要是要看一個數字，你們說明年要編七十幾億元打詐，結果越打詐騙越多，去年度一整年，從去年6月到今年5月，總共詐騙金額是102億元，結果今年6月到8月，3個月就257億元，是去年整年度的2.5倍，這個政府還不是普通的無能，老百姓最關心的是什麼？你隨便做民調，現在老百姓最切身之痛的就是詐騙。我為什麼一開始請三個單位上來？任何時候做民調，大家點名最該負責任第一個數發部，第二個NCC，第三個金管會，金管會跟錢有關係，NCC跟廣告訊息有關係，數發部有個資安署，結果資訊一塌胡塗。我先請教警政署李副署長，因為你是第一線，被詐騙之後大概能夠拿回多少？ |
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李副署長政曉：委員好，目前沒有這方面的統計數字。 |
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賴委員士葆：有這個數字啦！怎麼會沒有？ |
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李副署長政曉：那是查獲的。 |
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賴委員士葆：大概1成啦！你同意吧！一成對不對？差不多一成。 |
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李副署長政曉：接近。 |
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賴委員士葆：假如你被騙了1,000萬元，你大概最多拿回來100萬元左右，多久可以拿到？ |
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李副署長政曉：要經過整個司法程序。 |
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賴委員士葆：那是多久？ |
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李副署長政曉：應該看個案的訴訟。 |
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賴委員士葆：平均。 |
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李副署長政曉：目前沒有這方面的數據。 |
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賴委員士葆：有啦！我都查過了，你都說沒有，什麼都沒有，你今天來都沒有，你是第一線，平均要1年啦！1年起跳，對不對？這個數字對吧？後面的3個，對不對？ |
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李副署長政曉：應該看司法這方面的資源。 |
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賴委員士葆：差不多1年，同意吧！點頭嘛！我這個資料跟你們對過好幾次，也就是警政署證實大概1年左右可以拿回來最多一成，大家心裡會很痛，我開了幾次的公聽會，有的退休族積蓄1,000萬元、2,000萬元一下就被騙走了，請問副署長，騙得最多的樣態是什麼？ |
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李副署長政曉：假投資，第二個是假網拍。 |
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賴委員士葆：假投資、假網拍，這個是NCC或數發部管的？ |
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黃部長彥男：如果是經過網路廣告平臺，像Facebook，源頭我們就會處理。 |
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賴委員士葆：你處理？ |
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黃部長彥男：如果是經過這些平臺。 |
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賴委員士葆：可是現在沒有法給你，有問題你也不敢把它移除啊！你沒有移除嘛！對不對？ |
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黃部長彥男：我們現在有通報系統，如果確定這個廣告是假名人廣告，我們通報像Facebook，它會在24小時移除。 |
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賴委員士葆：需不需要檢察官那邊同意，你才能夠移除？你直接下架，對不對？ |
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黃部長彥男：直接通報Facebook下架。 |
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賴委員士葆：請教翁主委，你們這裡做什麼事？ |
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翁代理主任委員柏宗：委員好，我們的部分就是有關於電話，我在報告裡面已經詳述了，從112年5月當時境外的詐騙電話是5,080萬通，到我們做了境外電話攔阻警示，現在只剩下1,230多萬通，表示詐騙電話減少了75%，這是有數據的。 |
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賴委員士葆：邱副主委，電話比較少了，結果金額還增加，3個月比1年還多2倍半，金管會管什麼？ |
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邱副主任委員淑貞：跟委員報告，金管會督導金融機構從臨櫃、網路銀行相關加強關懷提問跟技術上的防阻，另外就是配合各個部會一起來作宣導的工作，尤其剛才委員提到的投資詐騙部分，在投信投顧法修正以後，我們在整個主動蒐報的部分已經蒐報到五萬多則，它是詐騙的，我們就依照規定提到警政署，讓它去下架。 |
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賴委員士葆：你這樣攔阻了多少錢，有沒有算一下？你們成功攔阻了多少錢，沒有匯出的有沒有？ |
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邱副主任委員淑貞：跟委員報告，成功攔阻在臨櫃關懷的部分，在112到113年超過百億。 |
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賴委員士葆：一百億？ |
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賴委員士葆：所以你要吹噓的就是因為你們有臨櫃關懷，所以減少可能一百億的損失，是這樣子嗎？能這樣講嗎？ |
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邱副主任委員淑貞：隱含的意思應該是這樣，因為這個部分是行員看到有可疑的行為，尤其是比較高齡的老人，他在匯款的時候，可能有一些異常行為，經過關懷提問，在問了以後來做攔阻，然後警政單位也幫忙，警察機關一起處理來攔阻，謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：好不好，我們下次還會再問你喔！謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝賴委員，也請邱副主委，我滿好奇那個百億的統計表給我們交通委員會一下，好不好？各個銀行分類一下，看哪個銀行擋得比較多。 |
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邱副主任委員淑貞：好，沒問題。 |
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主席：好，謝謝。 |
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接下來有請陳亭妃委員。陳亭妃，陳亭妃委員不在。 |
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接下來有請鍾佳濱委員發言。 |
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88 |
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委員會-11-2-23-4 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
魯明哲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
林國成 |
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許智傑 |
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林俊憲 |
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林沛祥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
李昆澤 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
何欣純 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
陳素月 |
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游顥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
黃健豪 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
蔡其昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
魯明哲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
邱若華 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
廖先翔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
陳雪生 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
徐富癸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
李坤城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
黃國昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
羅廷瑋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[23] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[24] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[25] |
郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[26] |
林月琴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[27] |
陳冠廷 |
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1 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-10-07 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1138001 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1138001_00002 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請數位發展部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員、行政院打擊詐欺指揮中心、法務部、
內政部警政署、內政部警政署刑事警察局、金融監督管理委員會就「我國打詐成效與防制」進行
專題報告，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1138001_00001 |