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好 謝謝主席喔 司法院秘書長有請麻煩秘書長委員好我們都不知道該怎麼說這個事了 我們就從個案開始講起吧這最近這個退休女老師的先搶再兼再殺的案件 是不是最嚴重犯行 |
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跟委員報告因為這個個案個案要我沒有參與這個案子的審理那案子的卷證那法官各省的法官本於他自己審理的結果本於他的本於他的立法院認知去做判斷所以基本上甩鍋給法官嘛他們處理就好對不對他們認定就好對不對由他們來認定因為個案說實話我們沒有接觸到這些卷證那我們 |
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現在司法院對於法院的這個大法官的詮釋等於給了一大堆的裁量又修改了門檻現在還要全體一致決 |
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實務上來講,會不會造成判決死刑更加困難? |
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不要在那裡繞圈子這報告裡面其實已經寫得很清楚了給了一大堆除了我們剛剛講法官自行可以按新政來認定是否是最嚴重之外你也開了一大堆的後門包含精神障礙等等 |
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那我要問的是你們包含前面的這個釋憲的這些詮釋跟你這幾天的報告這些重點我就問你寫了一大堆保障加害者人權的各種條款跟各種條件可是你在詮釋這個憲法的過程中你有沒有考慮法律在社會中公信力的重要性 |
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有沒有考量法律有維護社會秩序穩定跟人心安定的作用有沒有有的話請你拿出來講一講我們從來都沒有看到這樣的事情這些概念不重要嗎秘書長 |
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跟委員報告我想憲法法庭當然是基於維護憲政秩序的穩定因為憲法是整個國家最基本的高於其他的法律所以他解釋憲法的本質意志保障生命學這個意志我想大家都應該要尊重 |
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好 所以你又推給大法官嘛反正就他們解釋了對不對我們回到剛剛那個姦殺案來講這其中有媒體的報導裡面講就是說他之所以可以逃過死刑有很重要的原因是屬於隨機性的並非預謀的所以並非最嚴重之行為好 你從個人角度來講你講預謀可能比隨機更嚴重可是從社會的角度來講難道隨機殺人帶給社會的危害比預謀殺人差嗎 |
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我們剛剛幾個委員在下面討論啊我們一致都認為我想人民百姓也都這樣認為隨機殺人對治安的危害對社會的影響是比預謀殺人更嚴重可是從你們的詮釋你們的想像你們的主張裡面它不是最嚴重所以我們可以給它放一條深入這不是胡鬧是什麼呢剛剛我們也討論憲政諮詢講得真好我們在修國會改革法案的時候你講立法院擴權了我告訴你現在 |
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司法院擴權啊所有事情由你大法官說了算然後你這個擴權侵害到的是什麼侵害到的是整個社會對於我們司法系統的公信力我今天這樣子的說法秘書長你要反駁嗎 |
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跟委員報告那大法官解釋憲法本來就是憲法的意思大法官解釋那各個機關包含我們都必須要尊重都要尊重現在就是一群沒有民意基礎的蛋頭在搞擴權然後把所有的權勢全抓在自己的手上我們立法院是五權機關裡面最貼近民意的我們今天如果不把這些話講清楚我們有愧選民的所託來法務部長 |
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我要再有請我請教幾個問題我們剛剛已經確定司法院大概對最嚴重的犯行大概不會有什麼明確的定義跟激證那我們回到法務部的權責法務部你總管下面的檢查系統對於維護社會安定你的想法是什麼你覺得有沒有必要考量社會大眾的想法跟法律維繫社會秩序的公信力跟安定性有沒有必要考慮 |
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現在37個還沒有執行 |
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他們會不會通通提非常上述?這個要看因為這個才在調卷中那個這個整個有可能對不對不一定這個是那個檢查總長這是一憲法訴訟法是有檢查總長的職權他會就這37個個案我相信他會做妥適的什麼時候會有結果?這個我沒辦法去跟你沒辦法確定沒辦法保證 |
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整個法務部系統對於這37個你現在口口聲聲講他合憲他講他合憲什麼時候會執行怎麼處理我想這部分我們先看那個有司法院秘書長說解釋的是大法官你現在講是檢察總長處理這個要寫在應作的結果我們審核的結果我們才知道這個是不是要提非常上 |
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以前在所謂大搞實質廢死的時代很多時候是最後那張公文放在你桌子上你就不批對不對以前當然不是你啦現在經過了這樣的程序之後放在你桌子上你會不會批 |
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如果這37個經過程序之後,確定要執行的時候,批不批?這個如果審核控告的話當然要執行啊當然要執行齁,那你覺得你有沒有機會批到?我們現在擔心的民間擔心的是我沒辦法頒委員,我想這部分的話民間擔心,我要提醒部長的是,民間擔心的是這37個案例可能到了最後,十幾二十年以後大家也不會放在你桌上這就是大家擔心的事嘛 |
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對不對我們有太多後門了嘛太多機會太多巧門可以逃開了這個是社會的一大悲哀現在 |
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對於釋憲後修法的方向同樣通篇照顧加害人權對於被害者、被害家屬社會穩定的重要性跟權利隻字未提我不知道兩位是忘記了還是害怕想起來但是我要嚴肅的提醒如果這事情未來沒有標準沒有依據它只會讓事情更複雜鄭捷難道不是隨機殺人嗎他不就槍斃了嗎然後你現在講隨機殺人好像沒有這麼嚴重 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-10-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:43:57 - 12:52:01 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院秘書長、法務部部長、內政部警政署、衛生福利部率所屬相關單位列席就「憲法法庭113年度憲判字第8號判決宣示相關法令之檢討與修正」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| IVOD_ID |
155194 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155194 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-3 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-07T12:43:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-07T12:52:01+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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