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主席有請劉主委請光輝劉主委 |
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主委好今天你的報告我覺得非常好你的報告業務報告那我們先看這個原住民與全國民的每人每業主要工作平均收入如果我們說這10年來102年 |
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這個原住民的平均收入兩萬六千三百七十三跟全國的這個落差差不多一萬左右然後除了一百零六年這原住民的平均收入每年成長但是一百零六年是減少減少兩萬八千那如果我們整個到整個十年來看 |
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全國國民跟原住民的平均收入的落差其實沒有什麼太大的改變對原住民而言沒有比較好因為都是在一萬到八千之間這個落差都維持在一萬到八千之間所以 |
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這個除了嚴明會之外很重要的就是各部會尤其是國發會、經濟部等各部會都有希望能夠給予協助這個是一個基本的數字先讓這個主委瞭解你的報告我真的是非常謝謝會提到這個不遺落任何人的公正專心 |
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有這樣的一個報告第一個確保個人、產業與群體發展的機會確認公正轉型對象與範疇及建立補償策略與機制就個人而言就是原住民個人每一個個人就群體而言原住民族所以這個部分當然跟我們原住民的就業的那個 |
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方向當然跟我們的基礎環境跟我們的產業也都有關係所以這個主委如果從你剛才你的報告然後從我剛才的一個就收入的比較 |
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主委有沒有什麼可以協助的部分跟委員說明一下其實這分兩個件事情第一件事情這個不遺落任何人的公正轉型其實是主要您看下面主要是為了2050年的淨零轉型那因為淨零的過程中會產生公正轉型的問題我們同仁 |
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漏了近鄰公正轉型兩個字啦齁但是所以這個是以近鄰為主但是委員提的當然這個問題也是我們社會現象的一部分我們也該重視就是說原住民的收入平均比較低那我的想法是說可能我來找原民會找這個經濟部大家我們坐下來開個會來討論一下啦然後再跟委員做一個報告看看我們用什麼方式來逐步的把它改善 |
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好 非常謝謝還要加勞動部了好的還要加勞動部所以這個部分要請這個主委經濟部那個經濟國發會經濟部相關的部會當然我們看這個也請那個經濟部次長經濟部何次長我們看原住民基本法第18條 |
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政府應設原住民族綜合發展基金辦理原住民族經濟發展業務上個禮拜五我在總質詢的時候也質詢了行政院院長就接條條文了這個我在省政府當副局長原住民行政局副局長的時候開始設置這個原住民族經濟事業發展基金現在改為原住民族綜合發展基金 |
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最主要提供原住民辦理經濟事業貸款、住宅貸款、青年創業貸款、微型經濟活動貸款及原住民主事業貸款等等。好不容易在省議員以及今省之後的立法委員的督促我們協調組織總署每年編列 |
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343.938 |
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幾億幾億的錢投入到這個經濟發展基金的綜合發展基金裡面到105年了這個基金有117億7000多萬來辦理相關的經濟發展的業務但是很可惜被挪用到這個淨法補償的費用去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
344.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
358.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
所以現在這個基金累積短促也就是財源不足68億8千多萬8千多萬這個部分也因為這個部分導致我們的總預算 |
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359.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
380.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
一直來來回回一直沒有辦法復為審查所以我一直尋求因為我是老公務員一直尋求怎麼樣去解決這個這樣的一個困境所以也要請國發會啊也要請國發會啊也要請國發會啊也要請國發會啊也要請國發會啊也要請國發會啊也要請國發會啊也要請國發會啊也要請國發會啊 |
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383.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
403.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
這個進法補償明年的預算就是少編17億而已辦理追加預算就可以解決的事情了所以這個部分我們共同的來努力好 我們請劉主委回座好 這個次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
404.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
415.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
在你的書面報告裡面提到臺灣中小企業是經濟發展的磐石目前中小企業有超過163萬家目前臺灣新創企業有7900家這個部分是不是能夠會後盤點一下原住民到底有幾家 |
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432.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
456.213 |
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好,可以嗎?好,可以。好,謝謝。那個如果不知道他的這個可以問演民會怎麼樣去查這個他到底是不是有演出名身份好,人才面的部分捷訓學院超過46000多人次然後培育超過4500名的第一段專業人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
459.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
476.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
也希望請經濟部提供原住民到底有多少方法很簡單我過去在延民會服務的時候很簡單的方式就是你把他們的這些身分證、字號給延民會延民會電腦一查就知道就有了好不好很簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
481.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
487.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
培育524家新創及732位創業家提供最低八成保證以及低利貸款利息一期補貼並額外提供保證融資額度最高一元之優惠 |
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509.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
521.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
然後辦理一百一十二年期經已辦理一萬八千兩百二十三件這個部分到底有沒有原住民是好不好好都是數據啦好謝謝謝謝政經事務委員 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:11:26 - 11:20:10 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、經濟部次長就「我國政府對新創及中小企業扶植政策執行狀況與未來精進措施（含政策、人才、法制、稅制、資金、區域平衡等六大面向）」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（11時11分）主席，有請劉主委。 |
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主席：請國發會劉主委。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：鄭委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：主委好，今天你的業務報告我覺得非常好。我們先來看原住民與全國國民每人每月主要工作平均收入，這10年來，102年原住民的平均收入是2萬6,373元，跟全國的落差差不多是1萬元左右。除了106年，原住民的平均收入是每年成長，但是106年是減少，2萬8,000元。如果以這10年來看，全國國民跟原住民平均收入的落差其實沒有什麼太大的改變，對原住民而言沒有比較好，因為都是在1萬到8,000元之間，這個落差都維持在1萬到8,000元之間，所以除了原民會之外，很重要的就是各部會，尤其是國發會、經濟部等，希望各部會都能夠給予協助，這是一個基本的數字，先讓主委瞭解。 |
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我真的非常謝謝你在報告中提到「不遺落任何人的公正轉型」，有這樣的一個報告。第一個，「確保個人、產業與群體發展機會：確認公正轉型對象與範疇及建立補償策略與機制」，就個人而言，就是原住民每一個個人；就群體而言就是原住民族，所以這部分當然跟我們原住民的就業方向、居住環境、產業都有關係，所以如果從你剛才的報告，然後從我剛才就收入的比較，主委有沒有什麼可以協助的部分？ |
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劉主任委員鏡清：跟委員說明一下，其實這個分兩件事情，第一件事情，「不遺落任何人的公正轉型」，您看簡報下面，主要是為了2050年的淨零轉型，因為淨零的過程中會產生公正轉型的問題，「淨零公正轉型」我們同仁漏了兩個字，所以這個是以「淨零」為主。但是委員所提的，當然這個問題也是社會現象的一部分，我們也該重視，就是說原住民的收入平均比較低，那我的想法是，可能我來找原民會、經濟部，大家坐下來開個會來討論一下，然後再跟委員做一個報告，看看我們用什麼方式來逐步地把它改善。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，非常謝謝，還要加勞動部。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：好的。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：還要加勞動部，所以這個部分要請國發會、經濟部及相關的部會。 |
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我們看這個簡報，也請經濟部次長上來。 |
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主席：經濟部何次長。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我們看原住民族基本法第十八條，「政府應設原住民族綜合發展基金，辦理原住民族經濟發展業務」，上個禮拜五我在總質詢的時候，就這一條條文也質詢了行政院院長，我在省政府當原住民行政局副局長的時候，開始設置原住民族經濟事業發展基金，現在改為原住民族綜合發展基金，最主要提供原住民辦理經濟事業貸款、住宅貸款、青年創業貸款、微型經濟活動貸款及原住民族事業貸款等等，好不容易在省議員以及精省之後，經過立法委員的督促，我們協調主計總處每年編列幾億、幾億的錢投入到這個綜合發展基金裡面，到105年，這個基金有一百十七億七千多萬元來辦理相關的經濟發展業務，但是很可惜被挪用到禁伐補償的費用去了，所以現在這個基金累積短絀，也就是財源不足六十三億八千多萬，也因為這個部分導致我們的總預算一直來來回回，一直沒有辦法付委審查。因為我是老公務員，所以一直在尋求怎麼樣去解決這樣的困境，也要請國發會劉主委能夠共同地去協調，其實禁伐補償明年的預算就是少編17億而已，辦理追加預算就可以解決的事情，所以這個部分我們共同來努力，好，請劉主委回座。 |
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次長，在你的書面報告裡面提到，臺灣中小企業是經濟發展的磐石，目前中小企業有超過163萬家，然後目前臺灣新創企業有7,900家，這個部分是不是會後能夠盤點一下原住民到底有幾家？可以嗎？ |
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何次長晉滄：好，可以。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，謝謝。如果不知道他的身分，可以問原民會怎麼樣去查他到底是不是有原住民身分。 |
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何次長晉滄：好，是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，人才面的部分，結訓學員超過四萬六千多人次，然後培育超過4,500名的低碳專業人才，也請經濟部提供原住民到底有多少。 |
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何次長晉滄：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：方法很簡單啦！我過去在原民會服務的時候，很簡單的方式就是你把他們的身分證字號給原民會，原民會電腦一查就知道、就有了，好不好？很簡單。 |
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何次長晉滄：好，是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：然後培育524家新創及732位創業家，也是一樣，我想瞭解到底原住民有多少。 |
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再來，提供最低八成保證，以及低利率貸款與利息補貼，並額外提供保證融資額度最高1億元之優惠，自112年迄今已辦理1萬8,223件，這個部分到底有沒有原住民？ |
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何次長晉滄：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好不好？ |
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何次長晉滄：好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：都是數據啦！ |
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何次長晉滄：好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，謝謝。 |
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何次長晉滄：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭天財委員非常精準的發言，請回座。 |
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下一位質詢請呂玉玲召委。 |
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290 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-19-3 |
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邱志偉 |
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邱議瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
陳亭妃 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
林岱樺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
鄭正鈐 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
張嘉郡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
呂玉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
陳超明 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
吳春城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
麥玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
黃國昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
黃建賓 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
廖偉翔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
羅智強 |
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牛煦庭 |
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237 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-10-07 |
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1137901 |
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1137901_00007 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
一、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、邀請國家發展委員會主任
委員、經濟部次長就「我國政府對新創及中小企業扶植政策執行狀況與未來精進措施（含政策、
人才、法制、稅制、資金、區域平衡等六大面向）」進行報告，並備質詢 |
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1137901_00006 |
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155143 |
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| 日期 |
2024-10-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-3 |
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11 |
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| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-10-07T11:11:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-07T11:20:10+08:00 |
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