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謝謝主席,那有請來行政院長請卓院長 |
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游委員好 院長好那在這裡本席也是要先表達一下在開米風災 院長跟副院長還有包括工程會主委還有交通部還警統會部第一時間的來協助開米風災那那時候 配合許主席 許縣長爭取的39億那這次有核定了33億多那這次爭取的這個經費 |
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總質詢 |
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請教一下左院長那在這次雙十國慶的一個主事決那在設計美學跟國家的象徵意涵的話如果讓你來打一個分數那就我們這次的國慶的主辦跟這個意向還有這些辛苦同仁的籌劃那我想問一下院長你可以打幾分我常常說這個 |
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藝術是非常主觀的像這種技術是非常不打折的藝術非常主觀你列出來是歷年來雙十國慶的各種的標誌我想大家可以自己看自己喜歡的這個早有預期但是就這一次來講如果打個分數的話那你覺得打個幾分覺得適合我覺得能夠把一個活動辦好的話每一個都象徵圓滿 |
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所以說其實這個分數的話就不太方便直接打分數就是掛在胸上掛在心上但是還是期許這次雙十國慶一樣圓滿成功那一定要非常圓滿成功謝謝 |
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那我接著要針對地方的議題兩個議題先來跟您就教第一就是我們張南大橋的一個可行性那在之前的話其實在上市交通委員會來辦考察本席有邀這交通委員會那時候是李孟彥部長來看我們這個地點的時候他這個是從彰化到南投 |
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以前原本預計要後續要做一個是快速道路那因為南投的鄉親有時候要坐高鐵必須要繞到雲林的林內再走到二水再到田中才能夠來搭乘高鐵非常的不方便那所以說在這個張能大橋未來也會連接著到包括彰化到海邊海線的一個貫穿那所以這個張能大橋是本來也就在一個規劃上 |
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那這一次的考察有爭取到這個可行性評估的計畫那也謝謝車交通部也是核定了預計就是將近800萬的經費還配合縣府的配額款來做可行性評估那因為這樣子的一個重大建設是 |
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請部長瞭解說明一下 |
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好 這個張南大橋委員也爭取了一段時間我看照片裡面李部長當時也有到現場跟我們的許縣長那我知道南投的鄉親很希望有這座大橋那彰化其實也有這種聲音也希望說有一個張南大橋對於彰化的鄉親要往南投去也比較方便而且他如果要去高速公路有時候從南投這邊可能會相對近一點所以這個部分中央也已經核定了這個可行性研究的經費那這個部分我們積極來推動協助地方一起來趕快做可言 |
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所以說 謝謝因為政策的推動尤其是建設的推動大型建設已經是延續的所以部長對於這個張南大橋也會延續當初李孟彥部長一樣表達支持是沒有錯那左院長也是表達支持有助於地方的我們都一起來研究讓他能夠成為一個地方大家需要的建設好 謝謝因為這個是裡面有太多的故事但是總是南投鄉親的一個寄望 |
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OK 那我們下一題就是我們在地方上面南投縣其實在這個女壘啊她的國家代表隊從2006年起一半的隊員都是出於南投那在各個包括亞運世界盃、亞洲盃都有非常好的成績但是其實在這個我們看到我們的一個重要的培訓選手的地方是南投的福星球場福星壘球場 |
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夠友好 經費要夠 建設要有 還有心思訓練水平未來要好那所以說在這個南投縣的這個福星能夠打造為我國女壘選手的培訓基地是不是可以拜託我們的院長來表達支持 |
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這個福星球場在2023年也是亞洲盃女子壘球的比賽場地可見除了硬體之外藍投歷年來也有相當多的民間跟學校所籌組的女壘球隊 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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是不是就可以來支持相關這個我們福興這個場地的一些相關的整建因為現在有對尼磊有一些階段性的進度已經在進行是不是要補充一下謝謝委員關心這個怎麼樣讓南投能夠這個福興球場能夠成為我們包含南投成為尼磊的一個選手的一個培訓基地確實這個體委會提署 |
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提署這一個我們今年也補助了兩百七十幾萬對這個相關的一些場地跟設施做一些改善以上補充 |
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那因為在我們地方上包括壘球運動是我們潘玉璇副議長包括羅理事長體育會理事長都非常積極用心在推動也非常有成果那也希望這個未來在這個培訓基地的部分我們不只經費在將來升個體育系運動發展部之後也能夠在那麼好的成績的這個女壘包括場地能夠持續給予支持是不是可以 |
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好那接著要就叫我們院長那等下也會跟這經濟部長相關那也有請部長那在審計部公布112年中央政府總預算審核報告揭露總預算跟特別稅出稅入的並計之後2024到2029年均為短差那2024年預計短處高達4905億 |
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那在過去的8年許多的特別預算還進行這些許多比較算是撒錢跟討好的過程那也造成這個政府中央政府的財政長期負擔的一個非常沉重 |
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所以過去來講說五年超徵稅收經濟表現良好但是在審計部提出的報告卻指出了未來五年將會入不敷出甚至經營的經費短處將近五千億元那在這樣子的美化的數字底下還是都是百姓的血跟淚 |
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那過去所支出的這些錢未來還是要還的那不管是子孫要還甚至曾孫要還那這些錢要怎麼花花了多少負債多少中央政府還是必須要跟民眾講清楚當然 |
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這個部分牽扯到過去的行政院長或行政團隊左院長你是520之後就任現在也是在幫過去的施政問題現在要去做改善 包括部長也是 |
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那所以說還是要跟民眾講清楚因為國人不知道的是國債中已經創下了6兆4128億元平均未來每人都要負擔27.4萬元的歷史新高那再次總預算編列了3兆多創下了最高紀錄但是錢必須要花在刀口上因為這些稅收跟民脂民膏就是得來不易但是國人還在生活上還需要有更多的改善 |
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615.728 |
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643.88 |
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所以跟軍隊組織總署所統計的八月的CPI的年增率阿2.36已經連續4個月突破了2%的通膨脊界線不管現在年輕人在外食還食物類房租甚至看醫生的掛號費、電費、機票、交通服務費等都在調漲最低工資不管調整錢包的鈔票一樣進了馬上就花出去所以其實現在民生過得還是蠻辛苦 |
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本席要針對電價的問題來進行討論但是在問電價的問題許多民眾在關心這院長官邸的電費目前台電調查的結果如何那這位警方我藉這個機會在請假電價問題之前先讓院長能夠說明一下 |
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謝謝我們都相信台灣經濟的體質本質上是很好的只要全民繼續的努力大家一起團結那我們在高科技的發展以及我們對中小企業做更多的包容成長的社會投資跟國家的投資應該會穩定的發展 |
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那麼過去有一些用特別預算來支應的國家重大建設因為它卻有其必要像前瞻基礎建設到底是讓整個地方在短時間內8年當中成就了相當多的這個地方的建設但是今年明年我們的預算第一個我們沒有編特別的預算我們只執行了前面特別預算的最後幾期的這個執行所以我們的預算的額度會稍微的擴大那這個也請大院能夠支持 |
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我們為了讓這個社會的正義能夠更普遍的去成長發展我們也對這個最低工資予以提升那麼對社會的包容成長我們做很多的貢獻我們預計本來預計到年底我們的CPI會穩定下降但是因為現在颱風又將來臨 |
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我們一定要在非常可控的範圍內我們再謹慎的去評估是不是這個物價的波動不要超越我們原來的預計甚至做有效的控管我覺得這個才是穩定民生 照顧民生最重要的好 那院長關底的部分要不要臺電的報告做個回應謝謝委員再度的關心我們確實請臺電檢查了關底所有的電器用品當中確實發生一些比較老舊的電器用品包括冷氣在內 |
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他確實是相當的耗電那秘書處已經在這個時候把所有的老舊的這個冷氣都已經更換成新的那我們希望說有新的節能的這個電器用品再加上人為能夠更加的去節約用電未來關底的用電我們會持續的關心 |
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我們對電價有幾個原則一個是反應成本一個是照顧民生穩定物價跟節能減碳那只有他他一直往他的成本價來賣給國內的工業用戶 |
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那它就會比較有健全的財務但是民生的部分我們會用更多的國家政策跟預算來做平穩的過程那這個部分臺電經濟部在這兩天跟電價審議委員會的討論當中都做了詳細的規劃那在今年度的話電價還會再漲價嗎哪一天今年度 |
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明年的話 未來的話還是會持續的調整 |
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未來的部分我們當然是看整體的這個狀況這個我想是院長做決定我們基於這個院長的指示那麼這一次名稱的部分然後小的這個生意小商圈甚至於工業也是一樣如果他是衰退的這個工業的話我們大概也不漲 |
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我們這一次比較調高的本來是預定要調高14%但是電價審議委員他們最後做出來的一個決定就是只漲12.5%那麼總體來講我們大概有96%的是沒有漲的96%的用電戶是沒有漲 |
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這一個漲價的意思我們還是不是完全可以到賺錢的狀態不過我還是需要大院委員能夠協助我們改善台電的財務情況那部長有讓你充分的說明那導致你剛才也提到了為了調漲還是會在於院長怎麼指示 |
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那最主要是 電價未來是不是不會再漲價 其實當然是民眾關心那包括這影響著這個包括相關的一個通膨或是大家一個民眾預期的心理 |
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公務員報告我們是在討論的過程當中我們會先討論出幾項我們認為重要的原則把它文字化之後在審議委員會開會的時候由台電跟經濟部去做一些原則性大家的討論而不是在對最後的結果做任何的指示 |
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這一次我們的漲價影響的通膨只有0.03%所以跟這個委員報告這樣子的影響CPI其實是非常微弱的應該是不會影響這個物價的這個波動好 那我就直接接著就教像剛才有提到的這次反應名聲也需要說這個但是事實上民眾的生活目前確實是苦哈哈 |
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1013.5 |
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那台天的黑洞不僅是政策的問題還有包括內部的問題那我就直接 |
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針對之前立委提報在臺電大林電廠使用造假的防爆設備那多年來放水包庇相關工程約80億同樣的場址那民進黨的立委也提報大林電廠赤字560億買的爛的設備那這些錢卻完全無法使用那部長那這一案的關注性要如何解釋那以及說這個案子後續會怎麼處理 |
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報告委員 您剛才指教的大陵電廠的部分我們現在到目前為止所看到的資料是符合規範但是如果我們現在已經積極介入了調查如果查到的是有不法的行徑我們當然是依法辦理 |
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那我想這個部分因為畢竟朝野的立委都有提到那到最後的結果也要讓社會大眾也一併也能夠知道畢竟國會改革的話當初目前在走向視線那很多的弊案是要查就必須一定得查我相信在中央政府也同樣持著一樣的立場 |
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1081.527 |
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臺電目前虧損的金額是多少? |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
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目前在台電2024年前7月合計今年7月以前累虧是529億那扣掉撥補的部分目前累虧原本是達到4348億那所以台電的虧損是持續在增加不斷的那不同的發電方式每度的成本不同核電的話是1.1元天然氣是3.11元太陽光電是5元風電是7元那現在的台電 |
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1135.327 |
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1154.887 |
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在今年4月電價上漲11%之後平均電價為3.4518但是購買天然氣光電跟風電其實都要賠錢的那剛才如部長所講就是中央政府近年來是連續編列的包括3000億在晶圓台電那我們當然也肯定台電的努力 |
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那2023、2024年編列的﹐包括針織台電1500億、1000億此外2023年曾經以特別預算﹐補貼台電500億那要接著請問一下部長﹐到底一個合理的電價﹐要達到損益兩平的話﹐電價未來可能會朝向再漲到多少% |
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1177.777 |
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1189.903 |
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報告委員我想這個部分是這樣子就是說大家所關心的是核電的這個成本事實上以我們現在統計下來我們的這個機組大概影響的每度電是0.11 |
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所以過去台電所造成的虧損並不是因為把核電關掉而造成這麼大的虧損而是因為二屋戰爭以後我們所買的材料不斷的上漲所以導致於我們這個台電因為成本太高 |
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1210.73 |
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臺電的虧損也有包括過去的政策和相關的政策性的 |
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1255.533 |
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補貼到時候導致臺電不斷的虧損所以在講惡霧戰爭的部分我覺得這個是但是近兩年但是這個的虧損是從以前不斷的造成但是錯誤的政策有時候是更可怕那沒關係因為依照學者所推估臺電必須要漲到4.83到5.17才能夠損一兩平但是這樣子的學者的推估 |
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1284.14 |
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造成的是民眾的恐慌還有嚴重的通膨直接電價這樣子間接直接對於物價的影響至少就會在2.4%到3.6%的預測所以說這樣是國人無法承受那所以說目前來講這兩年有可能因為民生的一個苦民所苦那院長這邊也能夠在這兩年的話維持現在既有的電價而不會漲到5.17元嗎 |
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1311.019 |
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我們現在是4.29所以這是調整之後那剛剛委員提到說臺電的補貼確實有過去對於學校醫院社福團體臺電都吸收了一些電費的這個負擔那以後要讓他財政健全就希望他回到目的世界主管機關去去做編列讓臺電不用承受太多的這樣的一個補貼的政策 |
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1311.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
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另外就是如果沒有國際因素重要的影響這個原物料他就會比較穩定台積的經營就比較可以在可預控的範圍當中希望他財務健全其實跟院長就是回應一下如果說補學校社福團體的補貼的話其實大家相對的話都沒有問題的但是如果說是過去對於太陽能的一些政策的補貼那這樣子也是一個大的黑洞那這一塊來講的話其實不能漏了不提 |
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那社福團體跟學校的話其實大家是沒有意見但是回歸民生那剛才所提到學者數據的指出的這個5.17的部分這兩年是不是不會調整到這個漲幅 |
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因為這個是民眾他們所關心的目前台電的發電的成本就不會這麼高那這一次電價審議委員會通過的新的計算方式之後工業大戶的購電成本就接近於台電的成本但是一般民生用電還是相差蠻大所以我們未來如果用 |
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政府的補貼的政策就會是去彌補這個民生的部分對工業的用電我們希望它使用者附會對方通貿不僅是電費包括明年2026年碳費也即將上路歐盟開了第一槍包括2026年對進口的高碳排的產品進行課稅 |
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這也會增加企業的生產成本,進而又轉嫁到消費者身上,又是通膨上升我國在113年3月公布了台灣2050的碳排放路徑跟策略總說明之後包括在112年2月也公布了溫室氣體減量法修正為汽油變遷營運法,來做法治的基礎 |
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主席 |
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謝謝委員其實我們目前台灣已經進入碳定價的時代明年1月1號開始我們就會開始徵收碳費但是我們初期的碳費不會高目前是300塊到500塊還有一個優惠費率所以基本上我們有算過這個300塊或500塊或是說優惠費率的話 |
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其實對於我們CPI影響比漲電價只有漲電價的十分之一左右所以影響不是很大但是如果這個企業因為他能夠少繳一點錢來提出自主減量計畫的話那個對我們減碳是可以減少14%的排碳量所以是非常有效的所以我們等於是說明年1月1號開始收開始收碳費好 |
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那目前來講在地方政府他們也積極的在推動包括在台北市跟高雄市都已經發行了永續發展的債券台北市政府為了改善捷運的環境還在113年1月10號發行了社會責任債券兩億元後面分別有兩年期三年期五年期 |
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那在高雄的部分他也在113年1月10號發行了兩年的綠色債券20億元那請問一下院長那中央政府是不是也要推動永續發展的債券 |
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這個都是在環境部的這個規劃當中嗎第一個是我們現在在跟國發會爭取國發基金100億的綠色成長基金然後來協助這個產業來投資新的產業這個在進行當中希望明年可以過然後明年可以開始那另外一個是我們也動員了保險業的資金還有創投業的資金我們先從民間的資金產業的資金來帶動那目前來看的話這個的量 |
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會比地方政府會大很多那當然啦我們也觀察很多的國家都有新的一些制度例如說像日本的氣候債券然後或是說美國的用減稅 IRA 的方式來處理那我們也都在討論當中那是永續發展債券的計畫中央政府的部分相關內容到時候我們在委員會再持續來討論那接著那要警教一下院長目前來講這國土計畫法那暫緩的部分其實現在你也知道 |
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國土計畫法的這個上路問題我想大家應該要冷靜的來考慮而且要理性的來討論 |
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我們知道現在還有9個縣市沒有送他的功能圖來這個是我們實際上最大的困難時間有限我大致上跟你說就是目前來講總統服務計劃法的執法有23項那其中14項完成9項還沒完成完成比例大概60.878 |
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那相關的法律52部 總計94條文 涉及內政部 農業部 經濟部13個部會那目前來講 國土計畫的功能分區圖那其實也有許多縣市都有造成爭議所以說其實大家要理性討論沒有錯那可是目前來講造成許多縣市甚至不同政黨的立委也同樣反映這個需要再延期 |
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那想要就效現在院長是不是應該要先暫緩還暫緩兩年之後才能夠比較有力的來推動依照現在國土計畫法的規定在明年的4月30號必須要那如果在立法院通過法律的修正延後兩年的話行政院這邊是不是可以配合 |
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除了正確的訊息﹖還有充足的時間﹖ |
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那如果立法院到時候大家通過了暫緩兩年的話是不是也可以請院長跟就是內政部這邊也能夠配合著來讓農民有更多的時間瞭解正確的訊息 |
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有這樣的修法過程我想農業部內政部都會積極的在協商過程中表達我們的意見但是尊重大家討論的結果但是我希望說國土計畫法是一個對全國國家土地充分支援有效利用的一個上位概念的法律能夠早一天實施當然是我們可以完整的保存國家土地的利用價值 |
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主席 |
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充分的理解所以要充分了解農業部對農民的照顧對農民的照顧是非常多非常廣的對那需要一些時間所以說本席還是在這裡也帶南投這邊表達就是其實暫緩實施那如果修正法律修正通過之後還是希望行政院跟內政部都能夠配合那也都讓農民能夠有充分的時間 |
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請簡短回答我們希望說能夠充分溝通然後充分討論那是不是要修法的話當然我們要跟大院的很多委員來探討但是如果你現在延緩兩年的時候那個爭議的議題還是在兩年以後我們還是需要再討論跟部長回覆一下現在連執法在中央單位都還沒有修正完成還有那麼多的單位需要溝通 |
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許多的執法還在修正沒關係反正其實這個過程中也是告訴我們其實還是有很多需要準備的時間 |
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那最後我要接著再跟那個院長這邊再提一下黃建斌委員之前所推動的這個觀光的方案那其實在剛才所提到的當然說爭取的這些建設跟這些補貼措施振興措施不分藍綠那是不是也讓院長來說明一下黃建斌委員包括在推動這個方案過去的努力而且以及予以肯定 |
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法定人數不足 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:30:27 - 15:01:07 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第2次會議（事由：對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢） |
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游委員顥：（14時30分）謝謝主席，有請行政院長。 |
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主席：請卓院長備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰：游委員好。 |
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游委員顥：院長好。在這裡本席還是要先表達一下，在凱米風災，院長跟副院長，還有包括工程會主委，還有交通部以及農業部第一時間來協助凱米風災，那時候許淑華許縣長爭取了39億，這次核定了三十三億多，這次爭取的經費也確實協助到南投，還是再次表達感謝。 |
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卓院長榮泰：這是我們該做的責任。 |
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游委員顥：謝謝。接著就教總質詢的部分，我們先看PPT，想要請教一下卓院長，這次雙十國慶的主視覺在設計美學跟國家象徵意涵，如果讓你來打一個分數，就我們這次國慶的主辦跟意象，還有這些辛苦同仁的籌劃，我想問一下院長，你可以打幾分？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我常說藝術是非常主觀的，像這種技術是不打折的，藝術非常主觀，你列出來的是歷年來雙十國慶的各種標誌，我想大家可以自己看自己喜歡的。 |
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游委員顥：這個早有預期。但是就這一次來講，如果打個分數的話，你覺得打幾分適合？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我覺得能夠把一個活動辦好的話，每一個都象徵圓滿。 |
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游委員顥：所以說這個分數就不太方便直接打就是了？ |
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卓院長榮泰：掛在胸上、掛在心上。 |
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游委員顥：但是還是期許這次雙十國慶要圓滿成功嘛。 |
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卓院長榮泰：那一定要非常圓滿成功。 |
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游委員顥：好，謝謝。 |
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我接著要針對地方的議題，兩個議題先來跟您就教。第一個是我們彰南大橋的可行性，之前交通委員會辦考察，本席有邀當時的李孟諺部長來看我們這個地點，它這個是從彰化到南投，原本預計後續要做一個快速道路，因為南投的鄉親有時候要坐高鐵，必須要繞到雲林的林內，再走到二水、再到田中，才能夠搭乘高鐵，非常的不方便。彰南大橋未來也會連接包括彰化到海邊，海線的貫穿，所以這個彰南大橋本來就在規劃中，這一次的考察有爭取到可行性評估計畫，也謝謝交通部核定了預計將近800萬的經費，配合縣府的配合款來做可行性評估。因為這樣子的一個重大建設關係到南投跟彰化，其實這兩個縣市需要有一個重大建設，也能夠讓我們南投的鄉親搭高鐵更為便利。所以本席想在這裡請院長跟部長是不是持續來支持彰南大橋的推動？ |
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卓院長榮泰：請部長，你了解，說明一下。 |
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陳部長世凱：好。關於彰南大橋，委員也爭取了一段時間，我們看照片裡面，李部長當時也有到現場，跟我們的許縣長，我知道南投的鄉親很希望有這座大橋，彰化其實也有這種聲音，也希望有一個彰南大橋，對於彰化的鄉親要往南投去比較方便，而且他如果要去高速公路，有時候從南投這邊可能會相對近一點，所以這個部分中央也已經核定了可行性研究經費，這個部分我們積極來推動，協助地方一起趕快做可研。 |
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游委員顥：謝謝。因為政策的推動，尤其是建設的推動，大型建設一定是延續的，所以部長對於這個彰南大橋也會延續當初李孟諺部長的政策，一樣表達支持？ |
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陳部長世凱：是，沒有錯。 |
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游委員顥：那卓院長也是表達支持？ |
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卓院長榮泰：有助於地方的，我們都一起來研究，讓它能夠成為一個地方大家需要的建設。 |
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游委員顥：好，謝謝，因為這裡面有太多的故事，但是總是南投鄉親的寄望。 |
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下一題是關於我們南投縣，女壘國家代表隊從2006年起有一半的隊員都是出自於南投，在各個賽事包括亞運、世界盃、亞洲盃都有非常好的成績，我們看到有一個重要的培訓選手的地方，就是南投的福興壘球場，但是南投縣在爭取球場的整建、人工地皮及相關設備方面，目前來講都還是非常的辛苦，因為未來我們要成立體育暨運動發展部，本席在此就提出三個期望：夠、有、好──經費要夠、建設要有、薪資訓練水平要好，所以把南投縣的福興球場打造為我國女壘選手的培訓基地，是不是可以拜託我們院長表達支持？ |
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卓院長榮泰：這個福興球場在2023年也是亞洲盃女子壘球的比賽場地，除了硬體之外，南投歷年來也有相當多民間跟學校所籌組的女壘球隊，可見一定有相當多的人才，在體育暨運動發展部的籌備過程當中，我們一直強調全民體育、全民運動，還有運動產業、國際競技，對於這三項我們會同時以一樣的比重來推動，因此，有這樣好的人才在地方，而且有舉辦國際競技的經驗跟場地，如果能夠在當地適度的來加強，應該是符合未來的政策的，這個部分我們會來繼續研究看看。 |
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游委員顥：那是不是就可以來支持我們福興這個場地相關的整建，讓我們…… |
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卓院長榮泰：體育署現在對女壘有一些階段性的進度已經在進行。 |
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游委員顥：部長是不是要補充一下？ |
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鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員關心怎麼樣讓南投福興球場能夠成為女壘選手的培訓基地，確實體育署今年也補助了兩百七十幾萬改善相關的場地跟設施，做以上補充。 |
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游委員顥：因為在我們地方上，潘一全副議長還有體育會羅理事長都非常積極用心在推動壘球運動，也非常有成果，也希望未來有關培訓基地的部分，不只經費，將來體育署升格體育暨運動發展部之後，也能夠對成績那麼好的女壘包括場地持續給予支持，是不是可以？這個總是需要表個態。 |
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鄭部長英耀：當然我想本來女壘長期在南投就確實是一個非常有特色的運動項目，體育署會來…… |
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游委員顥：支持成為女壘選手的培育基地？ |
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鄭部長英耀：是。 |
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游委員顥：好，謝謝。 |
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接著要就教我們院長，因為這也跟經濟部相關，所以也有請部長。在審計部公布112年中央政府總預算審核報告，揭露總預算跟特別歲出、歲入併計之後，從2024到2029年均為短差，2024年短絀預計高達4,905億，在過去8年有許多特別預算在執行，算是撒錢跟討好的過程，也造成中央政府長期的財政負擔沉重，以過去來講，雖說5年超徵稅收，經濟表現良好，但是在審計部提出的報告中卻指出了未來5年將會入不敷出，甚至今年的經費短絀將高達5,000億元，在這樣經過美化的數字底下，還是百姓的血跟淚。過去所支出的這些錢，未來還是要還的，不管是子孫要還，甚至曾孫要還，因此這些錢要怎麼花？花了多少、負債多少，中央政府還是必須跟民眾講清楚。當然這個部分也牽扯到過去的行政院長或是行政團隊，卓院長，你是520之後就任，現在也是在幫過去這些施政的問題去改善，包括部長也是。所以還是要跟民眾講清楚，因為國人不知道的是國債已經創下了6兆4,128億元，未來每人平均都要負擔27.4萬元的歷史新高，這次總預算編列了三兆多，創下了最高紀錄，但是錢必須要花在刀口上，因為這些稅收、民脂民膏得來不易，國人在生活上還需要有更多改善。 |
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主計總處統計8月CPI的年增率是2.36%，已經連續4個月突破了2%通膨警戒線。現在年輕人外食，還有食物類、房租，甚至看醫生的掛號費、電費、機票、交通服務費等都在調漲，最低工資調整，錢包的鈔票一樣進了馬上就花出去，所以其實現在民生過得還是蠻辛苦。如果要苦民所苦，那我們要回歸到電價的漲價，不僅是經濟部需要檢討以前的政策，同樣的在內部的防弊，也都要進行檢討跟查弊，因為這些錢是全民買單，而且電價可能就是帶動通膨的火車頭。新青安政策，目前在年輕購屋的部分，也讓大家感覺起來比較迷惘。 |
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本席要針對電價的問題進行討論，但是問電價的問題，許多民眾在關心院長官邸的電費，目前台電調查的結果如何？最後幾分鐘我藉這個機會，在請教電價問題之前，先讓院長能夠說明一下。 |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝。我們都相信，臺灣經濟的體質本質上是很好的，只要全民繼續努力，大家一起團結，那我們在高科技的發展，以及我們對中小企業做更多包容成長的社會投資跟國家的投資，應該會穩定發展。過去有一些用特別預算支應的國家重大建設確有其必要，像前瞻基礎建設到底是讓整個地方在短時間內、8年當中成就了相當多的地方建設。但是明年我們的預算，第一個，我們沒有編特別預算，只執行了前面特別預算的最後幾期，所以我們預算的額度會稍微擴大，這個也請大院能夠支持。我們為了讓社會正義能夠更普遍成長、發展，也對最低工資予以提升，對社會的包容成長我們做很多的貢獻。我們本來預計到年底CPI會穩定下降，但是因為現在颱風又將來臨，我們一定要在非常可控的範圍內，再謹慎去評估是不是這個物價的波動不要超越原來的預計，甚至做有效控管，我覺得這個才是穩定民生、照顧民生最重要的。 |
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游委員顥：院長，那有關官邸部分台電的報告，要不要做個回應？ |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員再度關心，我們確實請台電檢查了官邸所有的電器用品，當中確實發現一些比較老舊的電器用品，包括冷氣在內，確實是相當耗電，秘書處已經在這個時候把所有老舊的冷氣都更換成新的，希望有新的節能電器用品，再加上人為能夠更加節約用電，未來官邸的用電我們會持續關心。 |
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游委員顥：好。那本席現在就教，電價在未來有沒有可能不再漲價，還是會持續調漲？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們對電價有幾個原則，一個是反映成本，一個是照顧民生、穩定物價跟節能減碳，只要它一直往它的成本價賣給國內的工業用戶，那它就比較會有健全的財務；但是民生的部分，我們會用更多的國家政策跟預算來做平穩的過程，這個部分台電、經濟部在這兩天跟電價審議委員會的討論當中都做了詳細的規劃。 |
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游委員顥：那今年度電價還會再漲價嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：哪一年？ |
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游委員顥：今年度。 |
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卓院長榮泰：今年就是…… |
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郭部長智輝：今年，報告委員，昨天電價審議委員已經做出決定，有關民生跟一些小生意，包括夜市、包括賣場，這些都不漲價。 |
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游委員顥：那明年的話呢？未來還是會持續調漲嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：未來的部分我們當然是看整體的狀況，這個我想是院長做決定，我們基於院長的指示，這一次民生的部分，然後小生意、小商圈，甚至於工業也是一樣，如果它是衰退的工業的話，我們大概也不漲；我們這一次比較調高的，本來是預定要調高14%，但是電價審議委員最後做出來的決定就是只漲12.5%。總體來講大概有96%的用電戶是沒有漲的，這一次漲價，台電還不是完全可以達到賺錢的狀態，所以還是需要大院委員協助我們改善台電的財務情況。 |
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游委員顥：部長，本席有讓你充分說明了。剛才你也提到了，未來的調漲還是會在於院長怎麼指示，最主要的是電價未來是不是不會再漲，這當然是民眾所關心的，也包括會影響相關的通膨或者是大家的預期心理。 |
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卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，我們是在討論的過程當中先討論出幾項我們認為重要的原則，把它文字化之後，在審議委員會開會的時候，由台電跟經濟部去做一些原則性、大家的討論，而不是在對最後的結果做任何的指示。 |
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郭部長智輝：這一次漲價影響的通膨只有0.03%，所以跟委員報告，這樣對CPI的影響其實是非常微弱的，應該是不會影響物價的波動。 |
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游委員顥：好，那我就直接繼續就教。像剛才有提到的，這是反映民生，但事實上民眾的生活目前確實是苦哈哈。台電的黑洞不僅是政策的問題，還有包括內部的問題，我就直接針對之前立委踢爆台電大林電廠使用造假的防爆設備，多年來放水、包庇，相關工程約80億，同樣的場址，民進黨的立委也踢爆大林電廠斥資560億買了爛的設備，花了這些錢卻完全無法使用。部長對這個案子要如何解釋？後續會怎麼處理？ |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，您剛才指教的這個大林電廠的部分，我們到目前為止所看到的資料是符合規範的，但是我們現在已經積極介入調查，如果查到有不法的行徑，我們當然是依法辦理。 |
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游委員顥：這個部分因為畢竟朝野立委都有提到，最後的結果也要讓社會大眾能夠一併知道，畢竟國會改革目前走上釋憲了，很多弊案要查就一定得查，我相信中央政府也抱持同樣的立場，在內部的監督管理不能亂花錢，不能讓百姓因為這種事情而買單。 |
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在目前廢核的情況之下，電力的成本不斷上升，台電目前虧損的金額是多少？ |
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郭部長智輝：現在因為有撥補，所以台電目前虧損的金額大概來到3,000億左右。 |
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游委員顥：根據2024年前7個月合計的數據，台電今年7月以前累虧是529億，扣掉撥補的部分，目前累虧原本是達到4,348億，所以台電的虧損是持續不斷在增加的。不同發電方式每度的成本不同，核電是1.1元，天然氣是3.11元，太陽光電是5元，風電是7元，台電在今年4月電價上漲11%之後，平均電價為3.4518元，但購買天然氣、光電跟風電其實都是要賠錢的。如部長剛才所講，中央政府近年來連續編列了3,000億在金援台電，我們當然也肯定台電的努力，2023年和2024年編列了包括增資台電1,500億和1,000億，此外，2023年也曾經以特別預算補貼台電500億。再接著請問一下部長，到底一個合理的電價要達到損益兩平的話，電價未來可能會朝向再漲到百分之多少？ |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，我想這個部分是這樣子，大家所關心的是核電的成本，事實上以我們現在統計下來，我們的這個機組大概影響的每度電是0.11，所以過去台電所造成的虧損，並不是因為把核電關掉而造成這麼大的虧損，而是因為俄烏戰爭以後我們所買的材料不斷的上漲，所以導致我們台電的成本太高，但是售價的部分，因為我們又要讓我們的用電戶不會遭到太大的衝擊，所以大部分都是由公司來吸收。但是在未來您所關心的電價部分…… |
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游委員顥：跟部長討論一下，台電的虧損也有包括過去的政策和相關政策性的補貼，導致台電不斷的虧損，所以在講俄烏戰爭的部分，我覺得這個是近兩年，但是這個虧損是從以前不斷的造成，大家說錯誤的政策有時候更可怕，那沒關係，因為依照學者推估，台電必須要漲到4.83到5.17才能夠損益兩平，但是學者這樣的推估，造成的是民眾的恐慌，還有嚴重的通膨，電價這樣子間接、直接對於物價的影響，至少就會在2.4%到3.6%的預測，而這樣是國人無法承受的，所以目前來講，有可能因為對於民生的部分苦民所苦，所以院長這邊能夠在這兩年維持現在既有的電價，而不會漲到5.17元嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們現在是4.29，這是調整之後，那剛剛委員提到台電的補貼，確實有，過去對於學校、醫院、社福團體，台電都吸收了一些電費的負擔，以後要讓它財政健全，就希望它回到目的事業主管機關去編列，讓台電不用承受太多的補貼政策。另外，如果沒有國際因素重要的影響，原物料就會比較穩定，台電的經營就比較可以在可預控的範圍當中，希望它財務健全。 |
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游委員顥：跟院長回應一下，如果說對於學校、社福團體補貼的話，其實大家相對都沒有問題的。 |
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卓院長榮泰：是。 |
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游委員顥：但是如果說是過去對於太陽能的一些政策的補貼也是一個大的黑洞，這一塊來講的話，其實不能漏了不提。社福團體跟學校的話，其實大家沒有意見，但是回歸民生，剛才依照學者數據指出的5.17的部分，這兩年是不是不會調整到這個漲幅？因為這個是民眾他們所關心的，大家人心惶惶。 |
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卓院長榮泰：目前台電的發電成本就不會這麼高，這一次電價審議委員會通過新的計算方式之後，工業大戶的購電成本就接近台電的成本了，但是一般民生用電還是相差滿大，所以我們未來如果用政府的補貼政策，就會是去彌補民生的部分，對工業的用電，我們希望是使用者付費。 |
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游委員顥：好。對抗通膨不僅是電費，包括明年2025年碳費也即將上路，歐盟開了第一槍，包括2026年對進口高碳排的產品進行課稅，這也都會增加企業的生產成本，金額又轉嫁到消費者身上，又是通膨上升。我國在111年3月公布了臺灣2050的碳排放路徑跟策略總說明，之後在112年2月也公布了溫室氣體減量法修正為氣候變遷因應法，來作為相關法制的基礎。本席想要就教，在目前因應碳排，也算是能夠抗通膨、節能減碳的這個政策上，目前我們中華民國中央政府建構了什麼樣的綠色金融機制或是推動措施？ |
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卓院長榮泰：請彭部長說明。 |
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彭部長啓明：謝謝委員，其實目前臺灣已經進入碳定價的時代，明年1月1號我們就會開始徵收碳費，但是我們初期的碳費不會高，目前是300塊到500塊，還有一個優惠費率。基本上我們有算過這個300塊或500塊或是優惠費率的部分，其實對於我們的CPI影響只有漲電價的十分之一左右，所以影響不是很大，但是如果這個企業因為它能夠少繳一點錢而提出自主減量計畫的話，對於減碳可以減少14%的排碳量，是非常有效的，所以我們是明年1月1號開始收碳費。 |
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游委員顥：好。目前地方政府也積極在推動，包括臺北市跟高雄市都已經發行了永續發展的債券，臺北市政府為了改善捷運的環境，在113年1月10號發行了社會責任債券2億元，分別有兩年期、三年期、五年期；高雄也在113年1月10號發行了兩年的綠色債券20億元。請問院長，中央政府是不是也要推動永續發展的債券？ |
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卓院長榮泰：是，這個都在環境部的規劃當中。 |
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游委員顥：請部長回答。 |
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彭部長啓明：報告委員，第一個是我們現在在跟國發會爭取國發基金100億的綠色成長基金，協助產業來投資新的產業，這個在進行當中，希望明年可以過，明年可以開始。另外一個是我們也動員了保險業的資金，還有創投業的資金，我們先從民間的資金、產業的資金來帶動，目前來看，這個量會比地方政府大很多，當然我們也觀察很多國家都有一些新的制度，例如像日本的氣候債券，或是美國用減稅IRA的方式來處理，我們也都在討論當中。 |
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游委員顥：關於永續發展債券的計畫，中央政府的相關內容到時候我們在委員會再持續來討論。 |
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接著要請教院長關於國土計畫法暫緩的部分，其實現在你也知道，倉促上路對許多縣市造成了很多困擾跟爭議，請教院長，目前還有多少子法尚未完成？ |
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卓院長榮泰：有關國土計畫法的上路問題，我想大家應該要冷靜的來考慮，而且要理性的來討論，我們知道現在還有9個縣市沒有送功能圖來，這個是實際上最大的困難。 |
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游委員顥：院長，因為時間有限，我大致上跟你說，目前來講，國土計畫法的子法共有23項，其中14項完成，9項還沒完成，完成比例大概60.87%，相關的法律52部，總計94條條文，涉及內政部、農業部、經濟部等13個部會，目前國土計畫的功能分區圖其實也在許多縣市都有造成爭議。所以大家要理性討論沒有錯，可是目前造成許多縣市甚至不同政黨的立委也同樣反映這個需要再延期，想要就教一下院長，是不是應該要先暫緩，暫緩兩年之後才能夠比較有力的來推動？ |
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卓院長榮泰：依照現在國土計畫法的規定，在明年的4月30號必須要…… |
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游委員顥：如果在立法院通過法律修正延後兩年的話，行政院這邊是不是可以配合？ |
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卓院長榮泰：在此之前，我們還是極力的、積極的跟地方溝通，希望功能圖能夠儘快送來。 |
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游委員顥：這沒有問題。 |
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卓院長榮泰：但是我是希望在溝通的過程當中要給廣大的農民朋友們一個正確的訊息，而不要告訴他們說，國土計畫法一旦實施，農民永世不得翻身，這種論調絕對不要再發生。 |
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游委員顥：除了正確的訊息，還有充足的時間，如果立法院到時候大家通過了暫緩兩年的話，是不是也可以請院長跟內政部也能夠配合，讓農民有更多的時間了解正確的訊息？ |
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卓院長榮泰：有這樣的修法過程，我想農業部、內政部都會積極的在協商過程中表達我們的意見，尊重大家討論的結果，但是國土計畫法是一個對全國國家土地資源充分有效利用的上位概念的法律，能夠早一天實施，當然我們可以完整的保存國家土地的利用價值。 |
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游委員顥：我們希望在實施的過程也能夠把爭議減少到最小，同時也讓縣市政府推動，以及能夠讓農民跟各個會使用到這些土地的民眾都做最充分的理解。 |
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卓院長榮泰：所以要充分了解農業部對農民的照顧是非常多、非常廣的。 |
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游委員顥：有時候事緩則圓，也需要一些時間啦！本席在這裡也代南投表達，建議暫緩實施，如果法律修正通過之後，還是希望行政院跟內政部都能夠配合，也讓農民能夠有充分的時間。 |
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卓院長榮泰：請內政部答復一下好不好？ |
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游委員顥：請簡短回答。 |
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劉部長世芳：報告委員，我們希望能夠充分溝通、充分討論，至於是不是要修法，當然我們要跟大院很多委員來探討，但是如果你現在延緩兩年，爭議的議題還是在，兩年以後我們還是需要在…… |
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游委員顥：跟部長回復一下，現在連子法在中央單位都還沒有修正完成，還有那麼多的單位需要溝通。 |
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劉部長世芳：報告委員，我們的國土計畫法現在只剩下一項還沒有對外公告，其他的部分是在預告當中，快預告完成了。 |
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游委員顥：沒有，許多的子法還在修正，沒關係！這個過程中也是在告訴我們，其實還是有很多需要準備的時間。 |
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最後，我要接著再跟院長再提一下黃建賓委員之前所推動的觀光方案，其實如同剛才所提到的，他說，爭取的這些建設跟補貼措施、振興措施，不分藍綠，是不是也讓院長來說明一下黃建賓委員過去推動這個方案的努力，並予以肯定？ |
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卓院長榮泰：沒有問題，地方上需要中央政府跟地方來合作的，我們都願意，像我記得委員對於南投的茶葉博覽會也非常重視，過幾天我們就會見面。 |
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游委員顥：對，10月5日到10月13日是南投的茶葉博覽會，謝謝院長那時候提供了800萬的經費，也邀請院長到時候來茶葉博覽會。 |
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主席：謝謝游委員，也謝謝卓院長。 |
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下一位請蘇清泉委員質詢。 |
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204 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
院會-11-2-2 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
江啟臣 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
吳秉叡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
陳玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
王定宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
邱鎮軍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
蘇巧慧 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
吳宗憲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
楊曜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
游顥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
蘇清泉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
林淑芬 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
廖偉翔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
許宇甄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
張宏陸 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
105 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-10-01 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1137601 |
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1137601_00004 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期第2次會議紀錄 |
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施政質詢
對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─ |
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1137601_00004 |
| IVOD_ID |
155045 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155045 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-2-2 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期第2次會議 |
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Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-01T14:30:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-01T15:01:07+08:00 |
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