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有請主委有請主委主委你辛苦了你有沒有吃便當我吃了你的便當OK好辛苦 |
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因為這件事情很重要所以還是特別跑來就是上個禮拜五我在總質詢那個卓院長應該你有在場有聽到這個在95天台灣就進入超高齡社會那國科會在這件事情上面扮演非常關鍵的角色所以我希望跟你溝通一下 |
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今天我們的主題是永續這永續的科技、永續環境這件事情也是永續聯合國健康高齡10年行動裡面也列為這是國家的一個永續目標高齡化的一個社會那不只是醫療照護啦其實涵蓋的面向是全面性的我想博客會也了解 |
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但是很可惜我們的卓院長在做施政報告的時候仰仰傻傻好幾萬字竟然沒有出現這五個字超高齡社會那這個就讓人太震驚了這件被稱為是國安問題影響到全面性的人口大翻轉的事情顯然現在還沒有進入我們政府的腦袋裡面 |
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因為我想這個應該也是經過很多的討論經過各部門的一個集思廣益匯集出來竟然把一個在眼前的事情沒有提都沒提到當然這個 |
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都會看到現在高齡者憂鬱症,國會院所做的憂鬱症這問題也蠻嚴重的,這不僅是身體健康、四肢發達其實心理上面的問題也蠻多,心理通常是社會性的問題社會結構性非常廣、甚至是文化歧視各個方面的問題 |
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那這個衛福部的高齡健康裡面的研究這個是整理他們所有研究報告裡面的一些數據可以看得出來都還是偏重在照顧肋齡疾病上面的關注 |
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我不曉得那國科會當然在這裡扮演很多的科技資源的角色但是我一直很就是我們了解現在真正的所謂的壯世代高齡者55歲以上的人這個龐大的人龐大的人口他們真正的需求嗎真真的是只是現在左邊的這一些項目嗎 |
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182.722 |
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211.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
好 這個呢 這個在去年國科會針對政府高齡科技所提出來的一些對策架構的主張雖然有些地方也都有提到的產業的啦產業面向也蠻多的但是呢 可以看出來所謂的生活場域也就是消費者在使用的情境當中都不外乎 |
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212.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
219.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
繞著醫院、養老院、藥局、公園運動、樂齡宅樂齡大學、藝文中心的小圈子在轉 |
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221.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
244.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
科技只是這個普惠科技只是要解決讓在這個小圈子轉的時候能夠更便利那如果這是我們的國家的高齡政策這個真的這個叫做國安問題這些事情能夠解決我們的國安問題嗎所以我現在想要來問一下這個主委 |
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247.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
271.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
國科會在主導我們高齡科技產業的這個行動計畫其實現在很多的研究依照的包括認知的資料庫都是過時的包括我們現在很多的法令好了45歲在我們政府裡面稱為中高齡現在一定45歲很多人都還沒結婚 |
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273.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
290.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
平均年齡結婚之後變成中高齡準備代退那這就一個舊資料嘛 對不對65歲法定老人你現在65歲的社會主幹很多所以這些都是過時的 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
292.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
292.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
吳春城議員吳春城議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
311.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
325.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
能解決他的問題嗎?高齡化社會問題我其實同意委員的意見就是我們未來的這個研究特別是對民眾的福祉健康的部分要促進的話一定是全年齡層來考慮不能只針對少數的這個族群 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
328.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
330.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
你知道在過10年台灣一般人口超過50歲嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
356.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
365.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
2034年一半50%的人超過所以未來的社會是以高齡者為主主要架構的社會你現在的整個科學技術有在考慮這一點嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
367.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
370.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
394.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
396.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
國科委最擅長的就是AI |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
415.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
442.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
那AI最重要的是不是資料庫是那資料庫你知道這個data裡面嚴重的缺乏壯世代的足跡55歲以上人的足跡在我們的AI data裡面比例非常不成比例的減少這些人占人口的三分之一七百多萬人掌握台灣三分之二財富是現在重要最主要的決策者公司機構的領導人都是壯世代但是這些人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
442.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
443.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
主委有沒有什麼解決方案? |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
459.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
484.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
如果這個數據慢慢再改變的話我們在資料的收集我剛剛有提到說我們全年齡層都要當然如果在55歲以上的人口的比重增加當然資料也要想一些方法啦因為我們社會都是依靠這些AI的數據在做決策啦但是這個決策當中嚴重的把這一些三分之一的人而且社會主力排除在外這個我們會確認一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
487.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
511.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
所以你要去確認好不好我在中研院討論過這個議題大家啞口無言顯然沒有對策但是這問題太嚴重了啦是是我同意這個比重增加了好不好那如果想要怎麼樣讓調整比那個資料更正確反映我們的社會真實現象嘛所以呢為什麼要談這件事情我們今天的社福預算已經超過8300億這8300億 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
515.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
534.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
當然是社會有沒有辦法解決這個人口我問院長院長沒有答案啦現在就是只能我們15%的需要長照需要施能的但是大量的這800萬的85%的需要發展性如果你沒有做這樣的話他就會變成人口土石流 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
535.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
544.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員吳 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
564.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
566.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
586.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
611.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
不是說普遍聯盟這個就是嚴重被忽視不是你們沒有去特別重視你們嚴重的忽視他我現在提醒你要去重視好不好所以呢現在有很多的新資料有需要因為你是國家在這方面的政策科技政策所以麻省理工學院有HLIB聯盟實驗室我們國家應該需要這樣子你所認知的高齡者他的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
612.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
636.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
我們國家資料缺乏所以最後一個請求就是國科會可不可以成立Edge Lab年齡相對這一群這個是三分之一人口社會主義非常重要的這裡解決了年輕人的問題才有辦法解決兒童問題才解決因為他掌握台灣三分之二財富是台灣很重要你認他 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
637.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
657.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
倒下來就又要跑來下一代所以在我們8月12日開的這個壯士代公聽會國科會也有出席然後也回應了這一些對認同的HLA本人應該可以去全面更寬廣的方面的這一個表達這樣的意見請問國科會還是持續這樣子的結論嗎如果我們的學術界 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
665.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
665.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
686.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
697.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
我講的就平衡一下去做發展性的這一些可能數據很多都要更新所以可不可以請國科會可以提出這樣子的一個有關於這一方面工作的一個計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
699.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
700.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
謝謝吳春城委員 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-09-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:57:34 - 13:02:16 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳誠文列席就「永續科研與政策溝通」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【9月30日及10月3日二天一次會】） |
| IVOD_ID |
155030 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155030 |
| 日期 |
2024-09-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-22-2 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-09-30T12:57:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-09-30T13:02:16+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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