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154606 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154606 |
| 日期 |
2024-07-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-36-36 |
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第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第36次全體委員會議 |
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1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
36 |
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36 |
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司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第36次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-07-10T09:23:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-07-10T09:40:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:30 |
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gazette |
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https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1b498260953197f8a0c818b0971db6f82652beeb573fd6de90a5faf2fa6890fc46d6c6507aabb8eb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:23:55 - 09:40:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-07-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第36次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院秘書長、法務部部長、內政部部長、行政院公共工程委員會、財政部率所屬相關單位列席就「盤點公私部門合作營運模式法制爭議之探究與改善」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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黃委員國昌：（9時23分）對不起喔，主席，在開始詢答以前，作為司法及法制委員會的一員，我想要在程序上面先跟主席確認一些事情，請主席多包涵。第一個，我尊重召委的職權，但我也希望召委能夠尊重司法及法制委員會的委員，司法及法制委員會要怎麼運作，邀請機關的代表來，機關的代表就他所職掌的事項回答立法委員針對人民所關心的事情加以質詢，這個是本院各個委員會的常態，我相信不用我說啦，也不需要當立法委員才知道，我們在場有非常多的媒體朋友，甚至在網路上面關心立法院運作的公民，大概都可以印證我剛剛所說的並沒有錯。但我現在要請教主席的事情是，在剛剛會議詢問的階段，我不希望有誤會啦，召委有要限制今天個別立委在會議中詢答過程的主題嗎？召委有要干預、有要限制嗎？ |
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主席：沒有，我剛剛已經講的很清楚，我說長久以來沒有這種事情嘛，所以我剛剛不是講鍾召委這麼多年下來應該看得很清楚。 |
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黃委員國昌：好，謝謝、謝謝。召委，我相信你也不會等一下會議詢答到一半以後你人跑掉，剝奪其他委員的質詢權吧？ |
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主席：當然不會啊！我不會這樣。 |
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黃委員國昌：當然不會嘛，好，非常感謝召委。來，有請法務部部長。 |
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鄭部長銘謙：委員早。 |
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黃委員國昌：部長早。對於我們前海基會董事長鄭文燦貪污受賄的事情，全體國民都很關心，大家在質疑的是，現在螢幕上這張照片右手邊的廖俊松，送錢的被收押了；左手邊遞上一個「好彩頭」的是鄭文燦，當時桃園市市長跑去參加華亞園區的地主座談會，選前黃金週還跑去參加，並遞給他一個「好彩頭」啊！還去跟地主搏感情！好，昨天我問了行政院院長卓榮泰，我說早就查到金流也有監聽譯文的貪污案，為什麼過了七年才開始偵辦？當初參與處理的一些檢調人員不是被調職就是被施壓，沒有辦法辦這個案子。昨天卓榮泰院長的回復是什麼？我覺得他的回復還算中肯，社會上大家難免有相同的想法，我今天看早上的早報，卓榮泰院長也說，如果涉有不法，要全面偵辦。部長，贊不贊成院長所表達的這個態度？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：我們尊重院長的一個意見。 |
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黃委員國昌：尊重院長的意見？所以對於院長的意見，你只是尊重？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：這個是報載的消息，我想這個…… |
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黃委員國昌：我簡單這樣講，涉及到貪腐的弊案，我們總統賴清德不是說，肅貪是目前政府重要的工作。部長，你贊不贊成？還是你也尊重賴總統的講法？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：肅貪是我們全力要去執行的…… |
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黃委員國昌：好，很好！如果肅貪是我們全力要偵辦的工作的話，現在社會大眾就有個問題嘛，這件事情鄭文燦一個人幹得來嗎？要不要全面的徹查、全面的清辦？請教部長？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：現在桃檢在偵辦中了，我想如果社會有提供任何一些告發或新的情況，我想桃園地檢署會一併來處理及瞭解。 |
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黃委員國昌：部長，我覺得你不要大小眼啦！臺南那11槍的事情，我看媒體報導說你震怒啊，下令徹查嚴辦，奇怪了，怎麼遇到民進黨的大官貪污，講話就這麼保守，尊重桃園地檢署，從法務部的立場，要不要徹查嚴辦？往上偵辦有沒有底線？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：這個部分是證據到哪裡我們就辦到哪裡。 |
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黃委員國昌：好！我請教部長，螢幕上這個是我把整個時間軸全部都整理出來了，2017年9月的時候收了錢，收錢以後，鄭文燦很認真，收錢是有辦事的，馬上親自主持會議，他親自主持會議做了什麼事？來，我再跟部長講一下，他提供貼心的服務啊！山坡地解編我來處理，最大的地主，那個寺廟我也來出面處理；第三個最重要的，我要跟行政院爭取把你們這邊的農地核定為國家重大建設，目的是什麼？鄭文燦還很貼心的交代，這裡面9.12公頃記得要納入。這個會議資料不是我偽造變造的，我等一下質詢完之後會提供給所有的媒體朋友參考，收了錢以後有沒有辦事？有辦事，很認真，但問題是什麼？這個事情鄭文燦一個人辦得出來嗎？要跟我們的國家爭取納入啊，欸，這個很重要，要成為國家重大建設啊，以後要變更地目的時候才會好變更嘛！結果我們這位送錢的人，處理完了鄭文燦以後處理誰？馬上跟總統府陳情，在向總統府陳情了以後，來，請部長看清楚，這也不是我偽造變造的，是有蓋印章的，時任總統府秘書長的吳釗燮馬上下條子，開頭就是「俊松理事長惠鑒」，俊松理事長是誰？就是現在被收押的廖俊松啦！它寫的是「俊松理事長惠鑒：12月4日致總統府函及附件，看完了以後已經交代行政院去做了」。這個是2017年12月12號總統府秘書長的總統府用箋，總統府也沒有騙這位廖俊松，馬上交代下去，交代下去給誰？行政院秘書長，行政院秘書長速度很快喔，12月14號馬上交代下去，秘書長卓榮泰的章就蓋在下面，拿到卓榮泰蓋章的回函以後，這位廖俊松馬上轉交出去，你看文件上「弟廖俊松」後押的日期是12月19號啊，這要遞給誰？遞給鄭市長說：市長，我們要爭取把它納入國家重大建設，我去找了總統府，總統府也交代了行政院，行政院秘書長卓榮泰也回函了，我跟你回報，下面還有他親自簽名啦！鄭市長，這些事情我都做了。在臺灣啊，為什麼很多年輕人痛恨權貴？有權有勢的人有關係好辦事，什麼叫有關係好辦事？他們跟一般公民不一樣啊！找完了總統、找完了行政院，行政院交代下去，經濟部、內政部馬上就核准，火速核准！ |
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2017年年底，處理完了總統府跟行政院以後，經濟部、內政部馬上核准，表示：沒有問題，這個地方很重要，我們馬上依照都市計畫法第二十七條第一項第三款的規定，配合國家經濟建設。根據都市計畫法第二十七條第一項第三款，這就是要件嘛！今天內政部的代表在這邊，應該也很清楚。誰可以核？經濟部說這個好棒棒，內政部也說這個好棒棒，上面交代下來的嘛！核完了以後變怎麼樣？上面都已經交代下來了，還有什麼問題？來，馬上就核下去了嘛！ |
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2019年4月，申請的機關是誰？我手上這本是桃園市政府提給內政部的計畫。桃園市政府提給內政部什麼計畫？請部長仔細看，左手邊的圖是2014年以前搞了好久搞不動的。為什麼搞不動？要把農業區變成特定專用區，哇！這個茲事體大，還有寺廟、還要遷葬，茲事體大！沒有關係啦，我們的鄭文燦市長都出面幫你處理好了，最大的地主他也來處理、中央他也來處理，非常地賣命！臺灣社會為什麼讓人詬病說「有關係就沒關係」？這個廖俊松關係很好啊！除了找鄭文燦，送他500萬，還找上我們中央政府！ |
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現在請部長再注意看右手邊的圖，因為我們是法律人，講話要有憑有據。圖中不僅是那個9.12公頃，連旁邊更大的全部都劃進來。一開始是9公頃，後來胃口越來越大，9公頃不夠啦！要幾公頃？要50公頃！50公頃才夠看，9公頃算什麼啊？結果呢？大家看一下桃園市政府提出來的計畫，50公頃的農地變什麼？變成第二種產業專用區和第五種住宅區。哇！點石成金啊！本來在那邊沒有辦法開發、沒有辦法用的地，有權有勢的人廖俊松一出面，從地方到中央，一條龍服務，變更成什麼？大家看一下，農業區變更成第二種產業專用區和第五種住宅區！鄭文燦點石成金，非常地厲害！我就覺得很奇怪，這些事情、這些東西檢調不知道嗎？還是檢調知道了，沒有辦法辦？為什麼沒有辦法辦？兩個人非常「麻吉」啊！事情發生的時候，邱太三本來是鄭文燦的副市長，他出任法務部部長的時候，鄭文燦給他最大的祝福，結果呢？我們邱太三跟那個時候桃園地檢署的檢察長…… |
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這是我2019年在立法院追的案子。我最痛恨司法關說！幹過法務部部長的人敢去關說司法！結果那時候邱太三雖然一下子就下台，但是一轉過身，我們的蔡政府又重用他，讓他出任陸委會的主委。另外一個叫彭坤業，兩個人在「大車輪」吃日本料理，施壓、幫富商逃漏稅。 |
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針對外界所質疑的，當初為什麼沒有辦法辦？約談也沒有辦法約談？有沒有人洩密？鄭文燦怎麼知道那些監聽譯文，才匆匆忙忙趕快把錢還回去？法務部這邊開始調查了沒有？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：我想這是有關案情的部分，桃園地檢署都會一併來瞭解、處理。 |
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黃委員國昌：真的嗎？桃園地檢署都會一併瞭解、處理？從2017年瞭解到2024年哦？從2017年瞭解到2024年，做為我們法務部的大家長，對於我們的檢調辦案辦得這麼辛苦、面臨到這麼大的壓力，部長要不要給他們打打氣，說：不要害怕任何權貴，部長當你的靠山，向上偵辦，不管牽涉到誰，辦到底！部長有沒有這樣的氣魄？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：本來檢察官辦案就是證據到哪裡就辦到哪裡。 |
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黃委員國昌：是嗎？喔！好、好、好，因為我們司法及法制委員會剛好有一個受害人叫吳宗憲召委，他當過檢察官，檢察官辦案是不是想辦到哪裡就辦到哪裡，還是辦一辦，辦不下去了？可能下一棒吳宗憲委員上來質詢的時候，你有更多好的經驗可以跟部長交流。因為剛剛部長告訴全體國人的是說，檢察官要辦，沒有壓力啦，要辦到哪裡都可以。但是對這件事情，部長，我很希望你說的理想能在臺灣社會成真！您說的理想，我很希望在臺灣社會成真！我很希望臺灣社會有一天，我們的政府、我們的法務部部長夠清明、夠擔當，跟我們的全體基層檢察官、跟全體的基層調查員講：掃除貪瀆不法，部長給你最大的靠山，不管辦到誰，誰敢施壓，我部長第一個跳出來。我希望部長有這個肩膀！ |
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主席：黃委員，我想部長的意思是說他以後絕對會挺啦！那以前的部長挺不挺，我們心裡都很清楚啦！ |
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黃委員國昌：OK，好。 |
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主席：但是部長剛剛跟我們講，他以後就會挺基層檢察官辦案，不受政治干預嘛！對不對？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：應該是尊重檢察官的偵辦，因為我們沒辦法去…… |
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主席：部長，我相信你一定會挺將來所有的檢察官、調查官、廉政官好好地辦這些政治人物的案子，我想你一定會挺下去，不會像我們當年那樣子嘛！ |
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鄭部長銘謙：辦案本來就是不分黨派，有證據就辦到哪裡…… |
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主席：你剛剛不是跟黃國昌委員這樣說嗎？我相信你絕對是這樣子的人啦！我們也都非常的期待。 |
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黃委員國昌：部長，剛剛你講的如果是真的，那我就簡單問一個事嘛！你講的如果是真的，怎麼會出現邱太三跟彭坤業在大車輪日本料理密商完了以後，回去施壓基層檢察官的事？這個事你不會沒聽說吧？社會鬧得這麼大，你不會沒聽說吧？基層檢察官受不了了，才在檢察官論壇爆發嘛！怎麼會沒有施壓？沒有施壓的話，這個是什麼？是我們做夢夢到的嗎？千真萬確的事情啊！部長，我希望這件事情不要只是消極的，說這個桃園地檢署、桃園地檢署如何如何。檢察官獨立辦案我絕對尊重，但是當初誰在阻撓檢察官辦案？為什麼那些要辦的調查員不是自動請調或被請調，不然就是被清算？做為法務部的大家長，我給部長的建議是要去瞭解，要不然你剛剛所想的那個夢想是不會實現的。謝謝！ |
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主席：謝謝黃委員，部長請回座。 |
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下一位請謝龍介委員發言。 |
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吳宗憲 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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黃國昌 |
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謝龍介 |
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莊瑞雄 |
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羅智強 |
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陳俊宇 |
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林思銘 |
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吳思瑤 |
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陳玉珍 |
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葉元之 |
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翁曉玲 |
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沈發惠 |
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傅崐萁 |
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傅崐萁 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第36次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請司法院秘書長、法務部部長、內政部部長、行政院公共工程委員會、財政部率所屬相關單位
列席就「盤點公私部門合作營運模式法制爭議之探究與改善」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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對不起主席在開始宣達以前作為司法法制委員會的議員我想要程序上面先跟主席確認一些事情請主席多包涵第一個我尊重昭偉的職權我尊重昭偉的職權但我也希望昭偉能夠尊重司法法制委員會的委員司法法制委員會要怎麼運作 |
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請了機關的代表來機關的代表就他所執掌的事項回答立法委員針對人民所關心的事情加以執行這個是本院這個是本院各個委員會的常態我相信不用我說啦也不需要當立法委員我們在場非常多的媒體的朋友 |
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甚至在網路上面關心立法院運作的公民大概都可以印證我剛剛所說的並沒有錯但我現在要請教主席的事情是說在剛剛會議詢問的階段在剛剛會議詢問的階段我不希望有誤會 |
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昭偉有要限制今天個別的立委巡達會議巡達過程的主題嗎昭偉有要干預有要限制嗎沒有我剛剛已經講很清楚我說這個長久以來沒有這種事情嘛所以我剛剛不是講昭偉在這麼多年應該看得很清楚那個昭偉我相信你也不會等一下會議巡達到一半了以後你人跑掉剝奪其他委員的質詢權吧 |
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委員長早部長早我想針對我們的前海星會董事長鄭文燦 |
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貪污受賄的事情全體國民都很關心大家在質疑的是現在在照片上面右手邊的這個廖俊松送錢的被收押了左手邊第一個胡猜桃 |
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給鄭文燦當時啊桃園市市長啊跑去參加我們華亞園區啊地主的座談會啊地主的座談會啊選前跑去參加黃金周啊遞給他一個好猜頭啊還去跟地主拔感情啊好昨天我為了我們的行政院院長卓榮泰 |
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我說齁 早就查到金流 也有監聽議文的貪污案為什麼 過了七年 才開始偵辦當初 參與處理的 一些檢調的人員不是被調職 就是被施壓 沒有辦法辦這個案子昨天 卓榮泰院長 他的回覆是什麼他 我覺得他的回覆還算中肯 |
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社會上大家難免有相同的想法那我今天看早上的早報卓榮泰院長也說如果設有不法要全面偵辦部長贊不贊成院長所表達的這個態度我們尊重院長的一個意見尊重院長的意見所以對院長的意見你只是尊重 |
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我簡單這樣講啦涉及到貪腐的弊案我們總統賴清德不是說樹攤是目前政府重要的工作部長你這樣贊成還是你也尊重賴總統的講法這個樹攤是我們全力要去好很好如果樹攤是我們全力要偵辦的工作的話現在社會大眾就有個問題嘛 |
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這件事情鄭文燦一個人幹得來嗎?要不要全面的徹查?全面的侵犯?請教部長部長我覺得你不要大小眼啊臺南那十一槍的事情我看媒體 |
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你震怒啊 下令啊 徹查嚴辦啊奇怪了 怎麼遇到民進黨的大官貪污講話就這麼保守 尊重桃園地檢署從法務部的立場 要不要徹查嚴辦往上偵辦 有沒有底線這份證據到哪裡 我們就好 我請教部長這是我 把整個時間軸全部整理出來 |
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2017年9月的時候收了錢收了錢以後鄭文燦很認真收錢是有辦事的馬上親自主持會議親自主持會議做了什麼事來我再跟部長講一下提供貼心的服務山坡地解編我來處理最大的地主每個寺廟我也來出面處理第三個最重要的我要跟行政院爭取 |
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你們這邊的這個農地啊我要爭取核定為國家重大建設目的是什麼這文章還很貼心的交代這裡面9.12公頃記得要納入記得要納入這個會議資料不是我偽造變造的我等一下質詢完我會提供給所有的媒體朋友參考 |
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收了錢以後有沒有辦事有辦事很冷靜的但問題是什麼這個事情鄭文燦一個人辦得出來嗎要跟我們的國家爭取納入啊這個很重要啊要整個國家壯大建設啊以後要變更地木的時候才會好變更嘛結果我們這位送錢的人喔處理完了鄭文燦以後處理誰啊 |
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馬上跟總統府陳情啦!總統府陳情完了以後來請部長看清楚喔!這也不是我偽造變造有蓋印章的啊!時任總統府的秘書長吳釗燮啊!馬上下條子!峻松理事長會見!峻松理事長是誰?就現在被收押的廖峻松啊!峻松理事長會見啊!你12月4號次總統府韓籍復建 |
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我看完了以後我已經交代什麼我交代行政院去做了這個是2027年12月12號總統府秘書長他的總統府用簽 |
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那總統府也沒有騙這位廖俊松啊馬上交代下去啊交代下去給誰行政院秘書長啊行政院秘書長速度很快啊12月14號的時候馬上交代給行政院秘書長秘書長卓榮泰的章啊蓋在下面 |
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拿到了卓榮泰的章了以後啊這位廖峻松啊馬上遞廖峻松12月19號押的日期啊遞給誰遞給鄭市長說市長我們要爭取把他納入國家重大建設我去找了總統府總統府也交代了行政院行政院的秘書長卓榮泰也回函了我跟你回報 |
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下面還要親自的簽名啊欸 鎮市長這些事情我都做了在台灣啊為什麼很多年輕人痛恨權貴啊有權有勢的人有關係好辦事什麼叫有關係好辦事他們跟一般的公民不一樣啊找完了總統找完了行政院行政院交代下去來看一下 |
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經濟部、內政部馬上就核准火速核准啦2017年年底處理完了總統府跟行政院以後經濟部、內政部馬上核准沒有問題這個地方很重要我們馬上依照都市計畫法27條第一項第三款的規定配合國家經濟建設嘛 |
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都市計劃法27條第一項第三款這就是要件嘛我想今天內政部的代表在這邊應該也很清楚嘛誰可以合經濟部說這個好棒棒內政部也說這個好棒棒上面交代下來的嘛合完了以後變怎麼樣上面都已經交代下來了各位想要問題來馬上就合下去了嘛2019年4月 |
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我手上這一本2019年4月申請的機關是誰桃園市政府提給內政部的計畫桃園市政府提給內政部什麼計畫來請部長仔細看左手邊的圖啊是搞了好久2014年以前搞了好久搞不動的他為什麼搞不動 |
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你要把農業區變成特定專用區哇 這個知識體大還有寺廟還要簽帳知識體大沒有關係啊我們的鄭文燦市長都出面了大家處理好啊處理好了最大的地主他也來處理中央他也來處理非常的賣命啊非常的賣命啊台灣社會為什麼跟人家詬病有關係就沒關係啊 |
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這個廖俊松關係很好啊除了找鄭文燦送他五百萬還找上我們中央政府來右手邊來再請部長注意看因為我們是法律人啊講話要有憑有據啊馬上右手邊不僅是那個9.12公頃啊9.12公頃連旁邊更大的全部都劃進來 |
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一開始是9公頃後來胃口越來越大9公頃不夠啦我們要幾公頃我們要50公頃50公頃才夠看9公頃算什麼啊結果咧 來看一下這個是桃園市政府提出來的計畫50公頃的農地變什麼第二產業專用區啊第五種住宅區啊哇點石成金啊 |
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本來在那邊沒有辦法開發沒有辦法用的地有權有勢的人廖俊松一出面從地方到中央一條龍服務網一條龍服務網變更成什麼來看一下農業區變更成第二種產業用區 |
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第五種住宅區啊鄭文燦點石成金啊非常的厲害啊非常的厲害啊我就覺得很奇怪這些事情這些東西這些事情這些東西檢調不知道嗎檢調不知道嗎還是檢調知道了沒有辦法辦為什麼沒有辦法辦兩個人就八幾個啊 |
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事情發生的時候鄭文燦、邱泰山出任法務部部長的時候本來是鄭文燦的副市長啊給他最大的祝福啊結果呢我們的邱泰山跟那個時候桃園地檢署的檢察長這個是我2019年在立法院追的案子我最痛恨司法關說啊法務部部長幹過法務部部長的人敢去關說司法 |
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結果那時候邱泰山雖然一下子下台但是什麼轉身一過我們的蔡政府又重用出任陸委會的主委另外一個叫彭坤業兩個人在大車輪日本料理吃日本料理施壓幫富商逃漏稅針對外界所質疑的當初為什麼沒有辦法辦約談也沒有辦法約談有沒有人洩密 |
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鄭文燦怎麼知道那些監聽議員匆匆忙忙趕快把錢還回去法務部這邊開始調查了沒有我想這個是有關你案情的一個部分桃園地檢署都會一併來瞭解處理真的嗎桃園地檢署都會一併瞭解處理從2017年瞭解到2024年2017年瞭解到2024年 |
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作為我們法務部的大家長對於我們的檢調辦案辦得這麼辛苦面臨到這麼大的壓力部長要不要給他們打打氣說不要害怕任何權貴部長當你的靠山向上申辦不管牽涉到誰辦到底部長 |
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有沒有這樣的氣魄本來檢察官辦案就是證據到哪裡就辦到哪裡因為我剛好我們司法法制委員會有個受害人叫吳宗憲召委他當過檢察官檢察官是不是辦案想辦到哪裡就辦到哪裡還是辦一辦 |
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拜不下去了可能下一棒吳宗憲委員上來質詢的時候你有更多阿好的經驗可以跟部長交流因為剛剛部長告訴全體國人的是說檢察官要辦沒有壓力啦要辦哪裡都可以但我對這件事情部長你說的理想我很希望在台灣社會成真您說的理想我很希望在台灣社會成真我很希望台灣社會有一天我們的政府 |
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我們的法務部部長夠親民、夠擔當跟我們全體的基層檢察官跟全體的基層調查員講掃除貪賭不法部長給你最大的靠山不管辦到誰誰敢施壓我部長第一個跳出來我希望部長有這個肩膀 |
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我想部長的意思是說他以後絕對會挺啦那以前的部長挺不挺我們心裡都很清楚啦但是部長剛剛跟我們講他以後就會挺基層檢察官辦案然後不受政治干預嘛對不對部長我相信你一定會挺將來所有的檢察官、調查官、廉政官好好的辦這些政治人物的案子我想你一定會挺下去不會像我們當年那樣子嘛 |
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你剛不是跟黃國昌委員這樣說嗎?我相信你絕對是這樣子的人啊。我們也都非常的期待。部長,剛你講的如果是真的,那我就簡單問一個事嘛。你講的如果是真的,怎麼會出現邱派山跟彭坤業在大車輪日本料理密山玩的又回去施壓基層檢察官的事?這件事你不會沒聽說吧? |
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社會鬧得這麼大你不會沒聽說吧基層檢察官受不了了才在檢察官論壇爆發嘛怎麼會沒有施壓沒有施壓這個是什麼是我們做夢夢到的嗎千真萬確的事情啊我希望這件事情部長不要只是消極的這個討厭地檢署討厭地檢署檢察官獨立辦案我絕對尊重但是當初誰在阻擾檢察官辦案 |
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誰在阻擾檢察官辦案為什麼那些要辦的調查員不是自動請調還是被請調要不然就是被清算作為法務部的大家長我給部長的建議是要去了解要不然你剛剛所想的那個夢想不會實現謝謝 |