| IVOD_ID |
154545 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154545 |
| 日期 |
2024-07-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第21次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期第21次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-07-05T16:05:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-07-05T16:36:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4edc3fae9cb29e97aac97912bf81a188412a25d0aa7d1a49908f554dcbfda07e1f8b52eb6acc6bd65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:05:36 - 16:36:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-07-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第21次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。
二、7月5日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
三、7月9日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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質詢,詢答時間30分鐘。主席,麻煩請卓院長跟交通部理部長。好,卓院長、交通部理部長請備詢。 |
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委員,張委員好。您好。委員好。不知道你知不知道我們中央有給經費做這個大漢溪這個左側的這個年外道路提外道路的打通。原則上是大概是這個月的10幾號快要20號的時候會辦這個啟用典禮。院長有受到邀請嗎?抱歉我還沒有看到現時的日期。 |
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那李部長應該很清楚因為你對台北縣的事情新北市的事情很了解這個題外變道就一段接一段現在就是從新莊的這個鐵路橋到樹林的三家之間這一段幾乎全部都是中央的經費那是委託新北市政府做一些工程7月18號現在我看到的資料是早上9點半 |
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要做啟用典禮,他沒有邀請院長。還不是沒有邀請院長而已,沒有邀請小弟在下我。這樣子的狀況,這個只是一個個案。像這個禮拜,新北市環狀捷運線信福站旁邊的這個信福停車場, |
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經費由中央大量補助用前瞻基礎預算的建設的預算是本席很努力的爭取三個停車場之一新莊的三個停車場之一啟用典禮一樣沒有邀請立法委員市政府就自己辦了就算了然後好像我們都是無視人一樣根本都沒有關係一樣 |
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我是在想說這樣子的狀況一直發生在我們的身上啊我們到底是我們很努力的在為地方爭取地方該有的這些建設跟該有的這些設施結果只要經費給他給市政府然後他完工之後我相信他沒有通知本席應該也沒有通知交通部吧還是交通部有收到這個啟用典禮的邀請嗎目前我這邊沒有收到已經報完啊對沒有收到 |
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那個停車場的啟用點已經辦完了沒有收到邀請所以很多我們中央的預算補助地方是應該給地方錢讓地方有可以好好的建設當然是福國利民對我們新莊有很大的幫助問題是沒有人會講說這是中央進了多少努力中央的民意代表進了多少的努力 |
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全部都被一刀切因為你的工程委託他辦之後他自己完工之後全部都是他自己的宣傳全部都他的功勞跟我們都沒有關係一樣這樣的狀況一再的發生 |
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我舉了這幾個例子只是聽得到了。所以我是在想說這中間是出了什麼問題?交通部給錢之後就算了嗎?中央給錢之後就算了嗎?沒有跟他講說你啟用的時候或是說你要如果假設你要辦一個動工典禮做這些典禮儀式的時候都不用通知都不用邀請了還是你們這一方面都沒有在列管?都沒有在要求? |
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對,如果是大筆的錢動輒幾十億的經費那中央補助了 |
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你好歹要啟用的時候你通知一聲那中央如果說跟你表達說對不起我那天有重要的公務所以我沒辦法去我派一個代表去那OK啊問題是他不告訴你像我剛剛講這個東西已經都辦完了你也不知道然後協助爭取經費的委員也應該有邀請新北市議員去啦那新北市議員回來跟我講說會中全部都是講新北市政府做的 |
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他也不去講說中央補助了多少錢中央的民意代表爭取了多少錢然後把所有的功勞全部都歸給地方還給歸給地方特定的議員 |
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報告委員 |
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議員長跟部長,其實像中央補助,像我們現在也有很多人行道的改善工程,也都是中央的。其實地方他拿到錢之後,他擅自變更原來的設計。我們中央也管不著。我之前質詢也就是說我們這種問題,中央應該要一個管控的機制。 |
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﹚廣告 |
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在全台灣,這個人行道的安全什麼,這跟交通都有關的。如果我們都沒有去做一個管控的話,對不對,好處不會留到行政院。我們要的也不是好處,但是它的變更設計跟原來設計不同,這中間就是會有問題,而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
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435.615 |
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為什麼要變更設計而且他變更設計補助單位竟然都沒有智慧的餘地我覺得這個法令可能我們要修改一下要去了解一下好這樣不行請這個交通部還有內政部還有交通部的公路總局我們現在對於路口的改善會有一個到年底有一個相當明確的計劃一定要落實剛剛委員所說的這樣的情況我們來改進這個事實院長我覺得要跟你講這個不是只有在交通方面其實在社會福利方面也是T-PASS |
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在北臺灣從桃園一直到基隆一千兩百塊只要那幾項的公共運輸都吃到飽對不對以前沒有太多使用者不知道這錢是中央補助的因為他都以為這是地方政府的政策那我舉這樣的例子是要跟你講說我們很多人在做這是對啦但是有時候在我外面被掛了 |
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你也好歹反應一下因為這會影響到最後他為什麼宣傳選舉的時候講說我們的民意代表都沒有在做事啊他最後的結論就是這樣啊 |
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各位報告現在那個TPAS的那個卡我們都有要求上面要有一個印製這個是行政院是我知道那是因為後面有被反映的這個事情之後才開始這樣做嘛那在之前還有一些譬如說我們發那個六千塊直接就是說行政院入帳讓你的帳戶上面看得到誰做的是誰做的我們清楚啦我們清楚民眾不一定清楚所以像我舉這個例子 |
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新莊現在除了西順九里之外所有的中央民意代表區議員就是我啊那中央補助的費用我不敢說完全都是我爭取的但大部分是我爭取的啊但是他從來就不講最後選舉的時候用黨派的意見就告訴你說新莊的立委都沒有在做事 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
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這個對我們是非常的不公道那同樣的他可以這樣講說同樣的言下之意是你中央政府也都沒有在做事補助的錢變成白送給他了那我覺得這是要不得我們實事求是本來大家是一個中華民國是一個團隊大家一起做事誰做的就說誰做的誰出多少就誰出多少誰努力了什麼就努力了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
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所以我的意思是說如果你有大量款項的補助的時候要求這些單位要追蹤啦而不是他拿去了完成了然後就跟我們沒有關係了拿去了就跟我們沒有關係了不可以這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
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像我剛剛講的那個題外變道的連接全部的費用99%以上都是中央出的就他7月18日早上9點半要辦啟用典禮你沒有接到通知啊我也沒有接到邀請啊地方上的人講說你看市政府又來幫我們做了一個這麼偉大的建設這個建設當初蘇貞昌院長有新聞給新北市政府新北市政府說交通上不是最優先所以他不出錢 |
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所以最後百分之百變成我們是中央政府出錢的。結果中央政府全部出錢之後,現在啟用典禮他來辦,新北市政府來辦,院也沒有邀請,中央民意代表也沒有邀請。這個完全是,我看這百分之百真的在我的眼前。我們這麼努力爭取了,幾、多少年前就開始在講, |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
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然後行政院最後在蘇貞昌院長的時候問他說新北市政府願不願意做這條路要不要來大家來協調要怎麼開要支出經費的時候他跟你講說不是優先的交通建設項目他一毛錢都不出欸這個張宏陸委員也可以作證啊事實上就是這樣啊結果他7月16號辦啟用典禮了他完全不通知我們 |
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697.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
﹗ |
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| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
這件事情做得很好但是溫子郡從化學區馬上土地再過兩年就分發下來就開始建設人口又會增加非常的多了所以五股交流道改善了一部分問題是絕對問題會繼續不斷我們應該要想辦法來思考這個全台灣最交通最擁擠的交流道 |
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724.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
741.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
有沒有泰山那一方面可不可以另外再弄一個引道之前一直有這樣的提案跟提議但是好幾個方案都一直被認為不可行就是說他不符合這個道路跟交流道的設計部長可不可以再想想辦法再想看看 |
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| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
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是,謝謝委員的鼓勵,我想五股交流道確實是一個很艱鉅的工程,因為這麼大的交通量,又要一邊通車,一邊行車,一邊要試工,那非常的不容易,因為有很多的改道等等的交通維持。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
﹚張宏陸 |
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| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
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這就是我要問的第二個問題 |
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這個台65南向在新莊我一直主張要增加第二個出口事實上這個也都研究也都納入說預計即將要發包了希望能夠順利能夠做但是你也是一樣錢給他他怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
819.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
823.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
我今天為什麼跟張宏陸委員聯合質詢一個問題就是我們有一個泰山到板橋的這個捷運那現在叫做泰板輕軌 |
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可是我是要跟你說在一個大都市裡面經過人口這麼稠密的地方板橋跟新莊跟泰山人口加起來一百多萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
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結果他是要用輕軌的方式這個是事實上引起地方上面想說如果你長遠的時間來看你不應該用這麼小的運量這是第一個問題第二個問題我們新莊的後港跟西勝地區就是南新莊的後港跟西勝十幾萬的人口沒有一條軌道運送也沒有捷運 |
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我們的主張是在跟塔寮坑溪的交接的地方這個太阪捷運這個地方要走塔寮坑溪的路廊跟走到潭底溝最後就是走溪盛跟後港的中間最後走到監理站樹林的監理站接這個 |
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933.41 |
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關大樹林縣這樣可以路軌可以連接的起來而且可以服務西省跟後港新莊地區這十幾萬的人口這個案子啊新北市政府目前只有說他是後續的計畫希望交通部能不能考量我們地方十幾萬人口的需要那剛好就是在我跟蘇巧慧委員的這個選區的中間那這一個地方十幾萬人都沒有沒有任何的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
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962.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
這個軌道運輸也沒有捷運的這個服務希望是不是這一方面可以幫我們考量加強市政府如果他的動作不夠快交通部如何跟他指導如何跟他協助讓他能夠對我們這個地方的需要這一條有一個很大的好處如果能夠跟這個河流共構的話當然基礎啦他是會建在河流的上面基本上不用多少拆遷就可以把這條路可以做起來 |
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以上這是我的主張跟建議希望院長跟部長能夠支持這個還要地方新北市政府做很多的規劃包括系統的形式新北市還在過規劃而且對一些這個路廊條件新北市好像還沒有做最後的決定西勝到這個板橋射後這一段其中當中的我這一段是後港西勝支線張宏陸那一段是 |
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988.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
990.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
在大台北地區十幾萬的人口沒有任何的捷運可以用 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
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部長跟院長,其實啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1031.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
﹚張宏陸﹚ |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
1049.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1064.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
新北市政府還給我們之前交通部拿了多少規劃設計經費的補助去了。也是我有協助爭取的。他錢都拿了。為什麼他辭職不核定?因為去年在選舉啦。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
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他不想造成選舉的,變成中央立法委員有去爭取,就是這麼簡單。所以他遲遲的在那邊拖,選舉也過了。我覺得交通部我們補助了他這麼多,而且這個從涉後到犧牲支線,那時候交通部連中央補助多少錢什麼的,全部都算出來了。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1106.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
然後呢他的西部他用什麼車型然後路幅多少都很詳細都出來了而且新北市政府的評估他也已經都有預留這個支線未來的這個 |
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1108.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1125.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
通車的話,他的如何去運轉,還有包括他車輛要購買多少,其實都流有伏筆,都有了。總之就是因為政治的因素所以脫惡了。那我覺得啦,交通部我們補助的新北市有這麼多,而且這一個講白了, |
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| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
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就是政治因素遲遲他他他不那時候不想核定而已那時機已過我覺得交通部我覺得啦跟新北市政府溝通欸交通部要錢給新北市新北市竟然拒絕我覺得這個應該要大聲講出來啊啊不然新北市每天在跟你們講財化法在你們跟你們講說補助他不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1147.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1176.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
那這一條交通部就之前都已經說好了錢都出來了是新北市遲遲不報公文來而已這點我們應該可以大聲講啊報告委員委員應該清楚過去所遇到的一些困境但是我們現在不論以前的困難在哪裡就盡速把它推動把它完成跟新北市做有效的這個協調那兩位委員希望納入重運量的考慮這個重點我們希望新北市也能夠在審慎評估 |
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| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
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我講的中運量是指是泰山到板橋這一條要用比較大的運量至於我們的支線我就沒有那麼高的要求因為我們也不想地方要拆遷很多的既有的建築物包括人民的房子跟土地啊所以為什麼我主張這一條走塔寮根西走潭堤溝的上面因為這樣幾乎就不用去拆遷既有的這個房屋了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
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一樣啊在我們社會地區交通部規劃出來的路線也是幾乎不用拆房子啊什麼都已經出來了就只是擦心北市政府說啊這個他的一個公文而已那我覺得這一點我們要拜託部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1244.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
新北市一天到晚在說你不補助他什麼的那這一條我們早就要補助了是他遲遲不報公文你也要大聲說給新北市民聽啊我們板橋社會地區十幾萬人口沒有捷運這對板橋的交通啊這衝擊很大啦我覺得這一點要拜託部長啦部長你覺得勒 |
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1245.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1261.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
是,我想這個武泰輕軌那一直延伸到板橋可以說是另外一個環狀線的一個外環那我覺得而且他連絡好幾個既有的這個捷運可以把它串聯在一起所以我覺得他是有很好的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1262.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
﹚新北市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1312.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
剛剛張委員講的齁我要提醒你齁他說新北市政府常常在那邊complain說中央對他的補助是少的虧待了他其實不是這樣子真實不是這樣你去給他算一算包括環狀線各個捷運線萬大處林線山陰線這些補助加起來的金額是非常大的我們是希望 |
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1314.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1338.644 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
真的有給他補助那麼多就具體的統計出來不要每天被他吃豆腐說什麼我們都沒有在照顧新北市所以這一點也是希望你們要努力的要很會做事但是也要把東西講得清清楚楚不要被他占了便宜然後他得了便宜還賣乖你部長把統計數字送給委員要參考送給我之後要讓社會大眾能夠知道 |
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1340.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
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我們的意思是說新北市政府常常在穿我們中央政府的小鞋啦都說我們補助他沒有補助很少我覺得這個應該也要大聲講啦我們剛剛講的這個涉後跟犧牲支線這個其實都已經規劃的很詳細了就是只差他自己公文不報來而已那我剛剛已經講了什麼原因了這點 |
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交通部也應該要講啊交通部本來就準備好了是你新北市政府的行政帶舵你新北市政府你是對不起新莊跟板橋的市民啊我覺得這一點應該要講啊讓新北市政府不然他都跟地方講說沒有啦交通部又沒有錢要給我們這樣子背黑鍋又是我們行政院交通部 |
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謝謝委員今天有機會讓交通部來說明這個清楚。我想以後要特別注意我們已經有計畫的那拖延時間下來了一定對地方造成不便。我們應該主動去爭取說明的機會或是要求地方政府來加速配合的這個時程。 |
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另外部長,我們敬老卡的點數從去年開始可以做台鐵,但現在不是全台灣每個縣市都可以做台鐵。我不知道部長你知不知道其他縣市還沒有開始的原因是什麼? |
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我知道目前已經有14個縣市有加入敬老卡搭乘台鐵的措施那其他還沒有進來的部分我想我們會再請台鐵跟這些縣市來溝通看怎麼樣讓他們知道有這樣的一個機制那可以讓他們的長輩這些縣市的長輩能夠有更優惠更好的交通工具來提供服務 |
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另外部長你支不支持台鐵都可以搭了高鐵可不可以也開放敬老卡讓我們的長者也可以用點數去抵扣去搭高鐵 |
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高鐵因為他的金額比較大他可能一趟或是半趟就把敬老卡的金額都用完他的意思就是這樣子啊用完就用完了剩下的就是補現金啊他們現在計程車的搭乘在地方上他也只給你50塊 |
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府長錢多少是一件事情給長者方便又是一件事情這筆錢本來就是他們可以用的你如果開放的多他就可以用的多我簡單舉一個才不會剩下的到下個月就不見了你先聽我講齁 |
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你說錢不夠,那我們以臺灣搭台鐵的,屏東一個月500點。部長,500點高鐵如果從屏東,他至少從高雄坐到台中應該有了吧?因為他本來就是半票啊,他坐到台中應該有了吧?剩下的他其他他自己補就好了啊。 |
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對不對?我覺得這一個錢多少我覺得你只要開放人家就會用而且部長你知不知道像高雄市政府他們已經有在研擬這一個進勞卡的這一個不要每個月每個月算他是用一年來 |
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﹚張宏陸 |
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我們只要花一筆錢改善這個路口的那個雜票的那個設計改一下就好了所以我才會提出這一個所以我覺得部長我認為應該也可以是嘗試著去開放讓人家搭高鐵我剛講的500塊 |
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人家是一個月五百塊呢?那如果人家高雄是可以累積一整年,反正他用完就沒有了啊。對不對?也政府沒有多支出一毛錢。政府的預算沒有多支出喔。對不對?那他就好使用啊。那人家高雄如果是一年的話,人家他搭兩趟 |
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現在確實有一個問題就是他當月如果有節存有些縣市當月有節存他沒辦法轉到下個月繼續用 |
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部長可以搭台鐵是我 |
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從上一屆我努力了4年本來台鐵也是有很多想法我後來就說你就把這一個機制把它建立起來人家要的縣市就會主動加入了高鐵我認為也是一樣其實他只要改這個他驗票的這個程式沒有花多少錢你把這一個可以用的這一個機具這個把它 |
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這個平台你把它用好我跟你講人家有的縣市的人人家就會主動來了那你沒有的縣市我跟你講那他自己要去承擔他的責任彼此會比較對啊彼此會比較他自己會去承擔所以我會覺得就是說讓台鐵跟高鐵都可以搭這個才對我們的長輩是一個好處沒有多花政府一毛錢只要協調高鐵 |
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我希望部長能夠跟高鐵協調一下吧。 |
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對啦,院長我為什麼會特別提這個,其實各縣市政府認真做的,有的進勞卡都可以去搭計程車了,也可以有的可以去租借腳踏車了,有的甚至這個那個什麼運動的中心什麼他都可以開放了,那我們中央政府我們如果基於 |
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關心長者的角度我們主動去把高鐵的這一個驗票的系統我們去補助他一點錢也好讓他去建制這樣我跟你講就會有縣市可以搭了啦之前台鐵一直在講說啊怎樣怎樣我後來我生氣我說你就花一筆錢你把它用好 |
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非常謝謝委員的建議雖然這涉及部分涉及到地方的自治事項跟地方政府的財政規劃但是我想交通部積極來協調這個事情 |
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謝謝吳委員、張委員 |