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154523 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154523 |
| 日期 |
2024-07-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-07-03T12:42:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-07-03T12:52:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
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https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5ad2054f9b7cf4bd6503ea669f0333871363f5917c5295f547ffec24bc1a8f649e7493e4a071dcfb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:42:54 - 12:52:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-07-03T10:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、討論立法院交通委員會「鏡電視申設及後續爭議調閱專案小組」運作後續事宜。二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具「鐵路法第四十條條文修正草案」案。（二)委員廖先翔等18人擬具「鐵路法第五十七條條文修正草案」案。【第二案僅進行詢答】） |
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陳委員雪生：（12時42分）先找一下杜董事長，好不好？ |
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主席：請杜董事長。 |
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陳委員雪生：杜董早。早上有委員質詢你們招不到員工，一個月3萬元的技工人員要有證照，晚上還要加班，他會來嗎？所以你們要檢討，你們要檢討為什麼找不到人，現在失業的人很多，你們要修改一下嘛！可能是錢賺得不夠多，害怕財務赤字，是不是這樣？ |
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杜董事長微：我們已經在檢討了。 |
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陳委員雪生：關於竹南那個報廢的房屋作為創生使用，這個很好啊！你在這邊就答應我會協助他們解決，好不好？ |
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杜董事長微：好，在法規範圍內，我們會全力協助。 |
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陳委員雪生：好、好、好，謝謝你，就這件事。 |
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主席，是不是請伍次長？ |
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主席：請伍次長。 |
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陳委員雪生：次長早。 |
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伍次長勝園：召委好。 |
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陳委員雪生：今天你代理部長在這邊接受質詢，我出幾個題目給你，你一定無法回答我。我想請問你，臺灣現在是不是在鬧文化大革命？ |
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伍次長勝園：我不曉得，這個文化的部分…… |
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陳委員雪生：你答不出來？ |
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伍次長勝園：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：有沒有在鬧文化大革命？早上我從這邊樓梯上來、那邊的樓梯下去，都是在講陳雪生怎麼樣怎麼樣，好像是我在倡紅。目前就我們金門與馬祖而言，金門通水，陳玉珍也遭殃、也被罵，而我們馬祖那邊缺工缺料，交通部要不要解決？我們很多的交通建設、碼頭建設，沒有石頭啊！毛角石沒有啊！尤其是離島中的離島，這個石頭運進去要幾十噸，大船才去、小船不去，小船又不能靠港，有安全的顧慮。這個石頭要進去的話，一定是水漲船高嘛！要用非常高的費用才能買到這個石頭，有人要標下那個工程嗎？沒有嘛！我這樣講給你聽，你就懂了。 |
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伍次長勝園：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：這個石頭該怎麼辦？要不要從大陸來？臺灣沒有大陸來的嗎？現在石頭上有沒有寫中國製造，我就不懂了！可能每顆石頭都要驗是不是中國製造，DNA要弄好，不然就不能用，那個石頭裡面可能含有什麼成分，以後房子會垮下來。臺灣很像是個鬼島，很奇怪！把人家講得都是魔鬼啊！我們除了缺工缺料，與交通部有關係的就是觀光業者哀鴻遍野，你看，本來今天要審救國團的條例，1萬4,000家的旅館業者要來集體抗議耶！你們觀光署要研究一下、協調一下吧！小小一個救國團有多少單位？ |
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伍次長勝園：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：所以我們總召提出救國團要還給它，我是提出延長時間給它啦！是不是？這一點你們回去與觀光署研究一下，好不好？ |
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伍次長勝園：是，這個部分，我們回去後會請觀光署…… |
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陳委員雪生：還有旅館業者缺工的問題，也拜託你們協調勞動部。 |
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伍次長勝園：好。 |
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陳委員雪生：我們夏天的客人滿了，冬天沒生意、冬天沒生意啊！冬天就不需要這些人，但是夏天比較需要，所以我們的旅館業現在缺工缺得很厲害，還有營造業也缺工缺得很厲害，能不能與勞動部那邊進行跨部會的協調，還有行政院工程會？ |
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伍次長勝園：可以，我們會主動與它接觸。 |
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陳委員雪生：前幾天馬祖來了22個踩線團的成員，這個算是引清兵入關嗎？不算吧！是不是引清兵入關？我們到底是歡迎人家還是不歡迎人家？是不是？把來的每一個人都當成魔鬼、把來的每一個人都當成匪諜，誰要來啊！我們去大陸也是這樣嗎？有一個去大陸的人被扣留，因為他在看色情片嘛！他自己違法了嘛！早上有人問我，臺灣的漁船被他們抓去了，但我不予置評，為什麼？我對事情沒有了解清楚，不方便加以評論，因為我不知道他有沒有違法。如果違反了對方的法律就沒辦法，同樣的，如果他們違反了我們的法律，我們的海巡一樣會抓人嘛！是不是這樣？ |
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伍次長勝園：是，是這樣。 |
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陳委員雪生：我覺得臺灣社會為什麼搞成這個樣子？你把電視的49台、50台打開一看，本來質詢NCC的題目拿來問你，藍的罵綠的、綠的罵藍的，天天罵來罵去。藍的那台永遠不會講綠的好話，綠的5、6台絕對不會講藍的好話，甚至你到南部去會發現連TVBS都不見了，這是什麼社會啊！我們馬祖及金門希望與對岸倡和、我們希望倡和，大家和氣嘛！對不對？對方本來就是我們的親戚啊！但你看我們臺灣這邊不時的與人家對抗，他要談統一、我們談獨立，所以我們不談獨立，也希望他不要談統一，兩邊先不談這個事情嘛！好好的，尤其是觀光署的部分，你要不要把觀光署的政策列出來？現在到底是要怎樣？團進團出行不行？你們回去後要考慮這件事情，我不曉得是不是你分管的？觀光署是你分管的嗎？ |
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伍次長勝園：不是，觀光署是另外一位次長。 |
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陳委員雪生：今天部長沒來，早上我們的總召傅崐萁委員提到部長去哪裡，昨天部長向我告假要去花蓮勘災，他去了嗎？昨天確實是去了，但是昨天深夜就回來了，深夜11、12點回來了，所以我今天早上得到的訊息還是昨天他在花蓮勘災。當然也沒什麼事、傅總召也沒什麼惡意，只是部長去各縣市勘災也好、去幹什麼也好，通知一下當地的縣市長，不要去分藍綠，好不好？ |
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伍次長勝園：好，我回去…… |
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陳委員雪生：如果要分藍綠的話，部長難道只去綠的縣市，藍的縣市就不去了嗎？也不好嘛！ |
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伍次長勝園：不會啦！ |
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陳委員雪生：好不好？這點拜託一下！ |
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伍次長勝園：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：我講到文化大革命，現在裝鬼嚇人的人很多、無中生有的人也很多，有病！你懂了嗎？這個社會有病，奇怪！我們立法委員裡也有人有病，有病去看病嘛！不要在這邊亂啊！跑到立法院來亂，搞得亂哄哄的！我是最不喜歡去倡紅的！我是在馬祖出生，馬祖以前就是大陸的，是不是？我的根在那裡啊！我都不想講祖國不祖國的事情，你非要逼得我去講，我是臺灣人啊！但你又說我是中國豬，是不是？我到底是哪裡人，現在都搞不清楚了。活生生的硬要一分為二是幹什麼呢？沒有必要啦！ |
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我認為將來要開放陸客進來，你看那22個人來了之後，舞龍舞獅，熱烈歡迎我們的同胞到馬祖來，兩邊要和嘛！打仗第一個受影響的是金門與馬祖，我們在前線吃了多少砲彈啊！你們沒吃過砲彈，對不對？ |
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伍次長勝園：沒有。 |
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陳委員雪生：你們沒有吃過啊！昨天我看到北韓的一部影片，從17歲到27歲，沒有任何理由，全民皆兵，全部都是軍人喔！27歲之後才是適婚年齡、才開始結婚生小孩，他們是儘量生，生越多越好，能夠生5個就能拿到他們金正恩同志的一個什麼斧頭刀，女生還有金戒指一個，上面都有金正恩同志的肖像，人家是這樣子做，而我們一定要這樣搞嗎？不要把臺灣撕裂了！ |
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今天我講的這些是寓意深長，希望觀光署無論是團或客都要與對方談。鄭文燦市長是民進黨很重要的資產，現在擺在海基會，他能夠與對面談嗎？我現在就可以打電話給國臺辦了，他打得動嗎？他打不通嘛！是不是？這個不是這樣談法的，所以我希望你們交通部與對面能夠往來的就儘量倡和，不要有一些不好聽的話出來，好不好？ |
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伍次長勝園：好。 |
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陳委員雪生：回去之後，你比較有機會與部長在一起…… |
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伍次長勝園：好，我帶回去研議。 |
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陳委員雪生：新任的部長人也非常好，好不好？ |
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伍次長勝園：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：你灌輸他一些觀念、灌輸他一些觀念，好不好？不是要你教他倡和或什麼，而是觀念很重要，好不好？ |
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伍次長勝園：好。 |
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陳委員雪生：今天謝謝你了，謝謝。 |
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伍次長勝園：謝謝委員。 |
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陳委員雪生：謝謝主席。 |
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主席：謝謝陳雪生委員。 |
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下一位登記質詢的是林國成委員。林國成委員、林國成委員，林國成委員不在。 |
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請張啓楷委員。 |
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陳雪生 |
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林國成 |
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李昆澤 |
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傅崐萁 |
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陳素月 |
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廖先翔 |
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何欣純 |
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魯明哲 |
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徐富癸 |
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黃健豪 |
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邱若華 |
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黃國昌 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第18次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、討論立法院交通委員會「鏡電視申設及後續爭議調閱專案小組」運作後續事宜；二、審查
( 一) 委員陳俊宇等24 人擬具「鐵路法第四十條條文修正草案」案、 ( 二) 委員廖先翔等18 人擬具
「鐵路法第五十七條條文修正草案」案 |
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先找一下杜董事長好不好?請杜董事長杜董早,早上委員質詢,你們招募多少員工?你一個月3萬塊錢的機工人員要有證照,他會來嗎?然後晚上還要加班? |
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所以你們要去檢討,為什麼找不到人?現在大家失業很多,你們要修改一下,可能錢賺的不夠多,就怕財務赤字是不是這樣?這個我們已經有在檢討了。還有竹南,前幾天找你竹南一個報廢的房屋,拿去做創生,真的很好啊。我想你在這邊答應我一下,會協助他們怎麼解決,好不好? |
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我們在法規範圍內我們會全力協助啦好好好謝謝您好不好就這個事主席是不是請次長吳次長請吳次長次長早吼早也好今天你代理部長在這邊接受諮詢吶我出幾個題目給你吼你一定無法回答我 |
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我要請問你,台灣現在是不是在鬧文化大革命?我早上從這邊樓梯上來,那邊樓梯下去都在講陳雪生怎麼樣怎麼樣。我在唱紅啦,很像我在唱紅。目前我們金門馬祖,金門通水陳宇生也遭殃,也在罵。 |
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這個馬祖那邊我們缺工缺料交通部你要不要解決我們很多的交通建設馬路建設沒有石頭啊毛角是沒有啊尤其是離島中的離島這個石頭啊 |
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一運去要幾十噸大船才去,小船不去,小船又不能靠港,有安全的顧慮。那麼這個石頭要去的話一定水漲船高嘛,要用非常高的費用才能買下這個石頭。有人要去標這樣的工程嗎?沒有嘛。所以我這樣講給你聽你就懂了嘛。那這個石頭怎麼辦?要不要從大陸來? |
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台灣沒有大陸來嗎?現在那個石頭上面有沒有寫中國製造我就不懂可能每一顆石頭要驗是不是中國製造DNA把它弄好不然的話不能用那個石頭裡面含什麼成分以後房子會垮下來台灣很像是個鬼島很奇怪把人家講成都是魔鬼我們缺工缺料還有跟交通部有關係的是觀光業者哀嚎遍野你看 |
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本來今天要審救國團的條例一萬四千家的旅館業者要來集體抗議你們觀光署要去研究一下去協調一下小小一個救國團有多少單位所以我們總召提出來說救國團還給他我是說延長時間給他這一點你們回去跟觀光署研究一下還有旅館業者缺工 |
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也拜託你們協調勞動部。我們夏天客人滿了,冬天沒生意,冬天就不需要這些人了嘛,夏天比較需要。所以我們現在旅館業缺工缺得很厲害,還有營造業缺工缺得很厲害,能不能跟勞動部那邊做個協調,跨部會的協調好不好?這是我們主動來跟他們接觸。 |
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前幾天來了22個彩線團成員,彩線團成員到馬祖來,這個算引清兵入關嗎?不算吧?是不是引清兵入關?我們到底是歡迎人家還是不歡迎人家嘛?是不是?來了每一個人都把他當魔鬼,來了每一個人都把他當匪諜,誰要來啊?我們去大陸有這樣嗎? |
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去大陸有一個人被扣留,他在看色情片嘛,他自己違法了嘛。所以早上人家問我說,我們台灣的漁船被他們抓去了。我不與之平,為什麼勒?我對事情沒有了解清楚啊,我不方便去評論這個事情。他有沒有違法的我不知道啊。 |
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如果違反了對方的法律,那沒有辦法。他違反了我們的法律,我們海軍一樣出去抓人嘛,是不是這樣?是,是這樣。所以我是覺得台灣這個社會為什麼搞成這個樣子?你把49台50台電視打開一看,本來執行NCC的題目,拿來問你。藍的罵綠的,綠的罵藍的,天天罵來罵去。藍的那一台永遠不會講綠的好話,綠的五六台絕對不會講他的好話。 |
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你到南部去的話連TVBS都不見了,這是什麼社會啊?我們馬祖金門不停的跟對岸,我們希望唱和。我們希望唱和啊,大家和氣嘛對不對?對方本來就是我們的情緒啊。那你這邊卻不,這邊你看我們台灣不時的跟人家在對抗。 |
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他要談統一我們談獨立我們不談獨立嘛希望他也不要談統一兩邊先不談這個事情嘛好好的尤其觀光署的部分你觀光署的政策你要把它列出來你到底現在要怎樣團進團出行不行欸你們回去要去考慮這個事情我不曉得是不是你分管了好觀光署是你分管了嗎欸不是觀光署是另外一次長 |
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部長今天因為沒來,早上我們總召副問題委員提到說部長去哪裡?部長昨天跟我告假去花蓮看災,他去了嗎?昨天確實去了,去了他昨天深夜又回來了。 |
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深夜11、2點回來了所以我今天早上得到的訊息還是昨天的他在花蓮勘災當然你跟...也沒什麼事啦副總長也沒什麼惡意啦只是說部長去各縣市勘災也好去幹什麼也好通知一下當地的縣市長嘛不要去分藍綠好不好你分藍綠的話部長只是到綠的縣市去藍的縣市都不去了嗎也不好嘛好不好這一點拜託一下 |
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我講到文化大革命啊,現在裝鬼嚇人的人很多啊無中生有的人也很多有病啊你懂了沒有社會上有病嗎?奇怪我們立法院裡面也有人有病啊有病去看病嘛,不要在那邊亂啊跑到立法院來亂,亂了嗎?亂哄哄的我是最不喜歡去唱紅的我在馬祖啊,我在馬祖出生馬祖以前就是大陸的嘛是不是?我跟在那裡啊 |
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所以我都不想講說祖國不祖國的事情你非要逼得我去講我是台灣人啊那台灣人呢你又說我是中國豬是不是我到底是哪一人我現在搞不清楚 |
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昨天我看了北韓一個影片 |
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十七歲到二十七歲沒有任何理由全民皆兵全部都是軍人二十七歲以後才是適婚年齡才開始結婚生小孩他們生小孩盡量生,生越多越好能夠生五個的話可以拿到金正恩同志的斧頭刀女生的話還有金戒指一個上面都有金正恩同志的肖像 |
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人家是這樣子,我們一定要這樣搞嗎?不要把台灣撕裂了,所以我今天講這個是予以深藏,而是說希望我們官方署團或客,你跟對方談嘛,你不然鄭文燦市長是民運長很重要的一個資產,擺在那個海基會,他能夠跟對面談嗎?我現在就可以打電話給國台辦了,他打得動嗎?他打不通嘛,是不是?這個不是這樣談法的,所以我希望你們交通部跟對面, |
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566.146 |
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能夠往來的,我們盡量能夠唱和,不要去有一些不好聽的話出來好不好?我想回去,你比他有機會跟部長在一起啊。好,帶回去演繹。部長新來的人也非常好好不好?是。你灌輸他一些觀念,灌輸他一些觀念好不好?不是說你幫他教他要唱和幹什麼,而是這個觀念很重要好不好?好。那今天謝謝你,好謝謝。好,謝謝委員。 |
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570.54 |
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571.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
謝謝陳學生委員。 |