| IVOD_ID |
154465 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154465 |
| 日期 |
2024-07-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
公聽會-2024062769 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
舉行「就業服務法家庭外籍看護聘僱制度探討」公聽會 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
公聽會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會公聽會（事由：舉行「就業服務法家庭外籍看護聘僱制度探討」公聽會） |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-07-03T10:15:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-07-03T10:24:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
林月琴 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:15:39 - 10:24:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-07-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會公聽會（事由：舉行「就業服務法家庭外籍看護聘僱制度探討」公聽會） |
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主席還有我們政府部門還有今天來的專家學者大家好本來我們辦公室問我要不要在公聽會發言因為我說還是來講為什麼今天講的幾乎都是在我們質詢的時候都已經談過了一而再 再而三再談可是還是要來談大家都知道我們現在就是搶工 |
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國內搶工 還跟其他國家去搶工那日本呢事實上從1993年之後他用技能實習的這樣的一個方式然後再配合移民政策然後一共大概高達70萬那今年呢再度的大量演進將近增加到80萬那當然韓國也不遑多讓也就是說他們大概因為採職聘制度呢大概現在已經有160萬人 |
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那我們如果今天即便台應的MOU簽下去也會先小規模的只增加1000人我相信各位剛剛已經一直在聽到53萬53萬即便53萬的人都不會用的話那大概5萬就好那我們也是造成很大的問題所以不是振芬老師不行因為這有一點問題 |
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林月琴議員 |
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整個實施到今年4月的話8個月以來大概申請的看護的人6.2萬當中其中有3.2萬事實上是用多元免貧 |
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林月琴議員 |
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我本來對這個就有疑慮就是放寬這個資格的時候基本上只要使用長照6個月每個月只要使用一次就符合這個標準那換句話就是重度需求者為了聘僱的話未來事實上是會把價錢跌得更高所以在這種狀況底下就一共的人數有限我們現在只有23萬在我們的看護 |
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剛才蘇清泉委員講說大概如果以這樣的價錢一個家庭要付到40萬他認為不會有人去可是我要講移工在人數有限的狀況底下這個工資事實上是會跌高在疫情期間的話我有朋友他在學當學當老師他因為要照顧媽媽然後要找移工5萬塊聘不到人 |
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抱歉那這樣子就是80萬不是那個蘇委員講的40萬而已另外一個重度需求者會留不住移工也聘不到人那我最擔心的應該是因為我不管在過去民間我們在基金會工作或我剛進立法院的時候碰到一個狀況就是年輕人來上班一個月兩個月他說他要回家因為爸爸中風或者是媽媽住院 |
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為什麼犧牲他因為他事實上是收入最低的他就是剛出來社會三萬塊啊為什麼不是犧牲哥哥姊姊因為哥哥姊姊薪水最高可是我們國家如果栽培一個碩士然後呢甚至大學然後呢結果他因為要這樣回家他這樣回家只要一年就好他重出社會他非常多的事業可能這個都應該要去 |
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林月琴議員 |
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林月琴議員 |
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林月琴議員 |
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林月琴議員 |
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林月琴議員 |
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李慧琼議員 |
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這個大概是一個歷史脈絡可是我們認為私人聘僱跟公共照顧應該是互補的怎麼說呢 下一頁是不是移工長照這個照顧雙軌制應該互相跨越當然現在目前本來希望有 要有可是後來就我們的政府部門不認為需要後來那大家目前現在已經事實上可以用到所謂的 |
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主席 |
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八十亮表還是八十歲為什麼這麼講所以我剛剛還非常贊成錦林秘書長講的就是說我們應該就是來討論那個很難用的而不是一直在講八十歲以上全部免聘應該是我們去檢討八十亮表才不會衝擊到我們的移工的照顧政策裏面否則雖然剛剛提說五十三萬不一定會聘 |
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可是有情的不一定不會聘這個是讓我們擔心那就會造成年輕人跟長輩的關係有錢的人聘了他就把長輩80歲反正我也不用怕他在家裡會不會跌倒啦我以後就丟給這個我們的移工還有事實上我也非常贊成前面有幾位專家學者講的也就是剝奪老人生活的能力本來我80歲好好的所有的我的事情現在都有移工來 |
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林月琴議員 |