| IVOD_ID |
154452 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154452 |
| 日期 |
2024-07-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-20-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-07-03T09:44:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-07-03T09:58:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5ad2054f9b7cf4bd1840933d050bb0a5cb3f5941fe168625d15f5ccb8d26769b3046dc99d7347fec5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:44:44 - 09:58:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-07-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、財政部莊部長翠雲就「如何促進保險業資金擴大參與公共建設，加速建設之推動。」進行專題報告，並備質詢；另邀請中央銀行、國家發展委員會、經濟部、交通部列席備詢。
二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17人擬具「保險法第一百四十六條之四條文修正草案」案。
【7月3日及4日二天一次會】） |
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賴委員士葆：（9時44分）謝謝主席以及各位先進，有請金管會的彭主委。 |
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主席：請彭主委。 |
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賴委員士葆：主委你早。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：早安。 |
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賴委員士葆：有關於今天的主題，我們召委提案的立意其實是非常良好的，就是現在希望有更多資金來投資臺灣，特別是你可以看到從NVIDIA黃仁勳之後都來投資臺灣，一直投資臺灣，臺灣的投資越多，臺灣的生意就越蓬勃發展，人民也就越有機會，畢竟現在來講，我們看到主計總處也公布了，我們的貧富差距非常嚴重，勞工階級、受薪階級有三分之二領不到平均薪資，這樣講起來很難過欸，領不到三萬的有150萬人，這都是財政部公布的數字啊！所以召委的立意很好，可是你現在一直強調，如果按照這樣子的話，有9兆要回來？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：是的，如果按照現在的數字來統計的話。 |
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賴委員士葆：9兆是什麼概念？9兆是什麼概念？我請問你，知不知道我們的GDP一年幾兆？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：GDP……我要算一下。 |
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賴委員士葆：央行副總裁來講一下我們GDP一年有多少。 |
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主席：請副總裁。 |
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嚴副總裁宗大：新臺幣八兆多。 |
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賴委員士葆：GDP一年有8兆？不是十幾兆嗎？一、二十兆嗎？不是啊？哪一位可以給我精確的數字？我記得是十幾兆喔！ |
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嚴副總裁宗大：對不起，18兆。 |
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賴委員士葆：18兆啦！差那麼多，「一丈差八尺」，18兆啦！等於有半個我們的GDP要回來。現在來講，主委你剛剛說現在在現有的umbrella 45%底下就還有3兆沒有用完，是不是？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：以我們現在保險法的規定，就是他以資金的10%，現在只用到……如果說最寬的估計大概就1%，如果單單公建這一塊只有0.42%。 |
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賴委員士葆：主要就是臺灣沒有投資標的嘛！就是沒有投資標的，我們公建的投資報酬率也不行，然後推出的也少，很容易被有心人士、特定人士圍標或幹什麼的，而且你會不會擔心股市過熱？這些錢一回來，股市不是又暴漲了？會不會？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：當然如果從供需籌碼來看，確實有這樣的想像。 |
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賴委員士葆：by the way，請問現在股市有沒有過熱？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：我剛剛也跟委員報告過，其實我們關注的議題是，看起來現在臺灣是有基本面的支撐，還有一些……我們看看整個的交易量或什麼，我們都密切的關注，我覺得…… |
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賴委員士葆：我們的平均EPS多少？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：股市的報酬率現在大概是2.66左右。 |
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賴委員士葆：多少？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：我的數字應該是2.66。 |
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賴委員士葆：EPS怎麼是2.66？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：不是、不是EPS，就是股市的本益…… |
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賴委員士葆：本益比啦！PE Ratio。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：本益比是22左右。 |
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賴委員士葆：美國多少？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：美國的部分，這個可能要問…… |
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賴委員士葆：局長，來當一下槍手。 |
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主席：請張局長。 |
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賴委員士葆：美國多少？ |
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張局長振山：這個還要再查一下，因為那個數字隨時都在變動。 |
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賴委員士葆：香港呢？ |
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張局長振山：二十…… |
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賴委員士葆：EPS二十幾，到底臺灣是偏高還是偏低？一般來講是不會偏高喔！多少？ |
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張局長振山：剛剛那個數字是殖利率，殖利率是二點多啦！殖利率是2.5。 |
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賴委員士葆：我知道殖利率啦，我問你的問題不是殖利率，我是問它的本益比啦！幾倍？ |
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張局長振山：22.84。 |
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賴委員士葆：美國幾倍？ |
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張局長振山：美國24.84。 |
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賴委員士葆：香港呢？ |
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張局長振山：香港11.24。 |
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賴委員士葆：比起香港我們是偏高的。 |
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張局長振山：大概美國跟香港差一半。 |
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賴委員士葆：房地產會不會也鼓勵……到時候房地產會不會也被衝破1成？就是錢跑來股市，不然就是房地產，一定是這兩個投資標的啊！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：最近房價議題是大家很關注的議題，當然就是剛才講的，從供需籌碼來看，確實如果有這麼多資金回來，我剛才有報告過，根據保險法的規定，其實保險業本來就可以根據保險法一百四十六條之二去投資不動產相關的…… |
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賴委員士葆：其實按照保險法現在45%的規定，他也不見得要投滿45%啦！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：最多45%，他也可以多投國內，變成說雖然有45%在那裡，但是他可以變成投國外25%就好了，剩下20%投國內也是可以啊！對不對？並沒有限制他投資國內。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：對，現在就是他有個額度可以自己投，但是我們現在超過40%的話，他要一個、一個來申請。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以你是反對修法？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：我們當然覺得現況如果做這樣的修法，對市場衝擊過大，我們剛剛也報告過，我們持保留的態度，也希望能夠維持現在的條文。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，這個你是講給召委聽啦！我們再看下一張，環境部說8月15日要進行碳交易運作，證交所有一個碳交所成立了嘛！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：是，在高雄。 |
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賴委員士葆：過去大家就批評只有對國外的碳權做交易，等於有一點好像是賭場一樣，根本就沒有真正的國內交易，請問現在什麼時候可以做到國內對國內交易、國內對國外交易，什麼時候？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：我記得碳交易所在去年7月成立以後，去年年底就曾經做過交易，就是國內的金控公司、金融機構也開始進行購買，不過這個碳交易的…… |
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賴委員士葆：購買是購買國外的喔！購買國外的，沒有購買國內的喔！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：沒有購買國內的。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：我們可能…… |
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賴委員士葆：國內對國內沒有開放喔！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：我們可能預計下半年，這個部分因為前一陣子也有跟環境部……因為這跟環境部整個政策推動有關。 |
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賴委員士葆：今年底可以期待嗎？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：今天？ |
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賴委員士葆：今年底。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：剛剛局長跟我講是下半年。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候？你告訴我下半年，是9月？12月？10月？11月？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：雖然碳交易所是在證交所下面，但是實際上這牽涉到我們…… |
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賴委員士葆：我知道啦，你要推給環境部啦！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：沒有，我們是預期明年，但詳細的時間我們沒辦法在這邊……還要跟環境部做協調。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，這個你注意啦！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：好。 |
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賴委員士葆：我們希望碳交所成立了就要玩真的，有交易所在那裡就要玩真的啦！自己國內需要減碳的，他可以去買、幹什麼的，現在不能買，你請回。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：謝謝委員。 |
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賴委員士葆：我們請財政部長。 |
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主席：請莊部長。 |
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賴委員士葆：莊部長，賦稅署宋署長也一起。 |
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主席：請宋署長。 |
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莊部長翠雲：委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：兩位長官好。現在有一個題目，就是我們看到現在最熱的題目之一叫做拆樑行動，他們有一個什麼拆樑行動……協會，他是用協會的名義喔！他已經達標了，募到了七百多萬。我請問部長，按照規定，按照你們賦稅署所得稅法第十一條的規定，這些協會或者基金會，如果人家捐款給你就是捐款，for捐款only，沒有問題，就看它一年營業額有沒有花掉70%，沒有70%要課稅，但是它有賣東西，比如說這個基金會有賣書，或者協會有賣什麼東西，現在就有了，他們就賣T-shirt，它有賣T-shirt，請問你，它有沒有跟你交營業稅？有沒有跟你交營業稅？有沒有？ |
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莊部長翠雲：這部分我是不是可以請署長來回答？ |
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賴委員士葆：可以。 |
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宋署長秀玲：謝謝委員的垂詢。這個我們應該分兩塊，第一個，到底這個集資平臺……現在看起來是一個集資的方式，接下來是誰提出這樣的集資平臺，他集資的資金要用在什麼地方，如果他現在是一個機關團體，就像剛才委員講的…… |
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賴委員士葆：它是一個協會，已經有了。 |
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宋署長秀玲：我們要查一下它是不是屬於符合我們所謂教育、文化、公益、慈善機關或團體，它有一定的條件，如果是符合的話，根據我們所得稅法第四條第一項第十三款的規定，他符合…… |
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賴委員士葆：所得稅法第十一條規定很清楚…… |
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宋署長秀玲：那是機關團體。 |
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賴委員士葆：他是教育、文化、公益、慈善機關或團體，有銷售貨物或勞務，要報營業稅，甚至要報所得稅！ |
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宋署長秀玲：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：對吧？我講的對吧？ |
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宋署長秀玲：委員，剛剛您提到的是我們所得稅法第四條第一項第十三款規定，這是針對所得稅的部分，規定如果是文化、公益、慈善機關或團體，符合行政院標準，那就要申報，要看是應稅或免稅。 |
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另外，營業稅部分是每兩個月為一期，是不是有報繳營業稅的問題，那要看他在…… |
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賴委員士葆：這個單位有沒有跟你報營業稅？我就問你這個答案，有沒有？這個單位有沒有跟你報營業稅？ |
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宋署長秀玲：這個可能我要請國稅局確認才會知道，因為手上沒有資料。 |
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賴委員士葆：它要報喔、它要報喔！它已經截止了，規定次月15號，5月就截止了。 |
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宋署長秀玲：但是…… |
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賴委員士葆：規定次月15號，代表今年6月要向你報營業稅了。 |
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宋署長秀玲：我們營業稅是每兩個月報繳，是7月。 |
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賴委員士葆：7月。 |
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宋署長秀玲：是單數月，所以要7月15號看它有沒有申報。 |
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賴委員士葆：7月15號要報？ |
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宋署長秀玲：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：你要提醒他要報喔，這個問題很大！ |
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宋署長秀玲：是，謝謝委員。 |
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賴委員士葆：財政部長，我問你，新青安專案不是又開始修理了、又開始煞車了，你已經做一個報告，新青安專案其實你已經報告都有了，可是你沒公布！平均1,000件中幾件有類似人頭或者是……也不要說詐騙，類似人頭的不正當作法在1,000件裡面有幾件？ |
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莊部長翠雲：這個部分我們先把高風險的案子篩出來，然後由行庫去逐案瞭解。 |
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賴委員士葆：不是，你的結果要出來，結果現在沒有呀！ |
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莊部長翠雲：逐案要一些時間，他後續查還要一些時間嘛，我們會…… |
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賴委員士葆：可是我知道的訊息是你們已經有了，你們答案有了，沒有嗎？還沒有答案嗎？ |
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莊部長翠雲：不是，都在持續追查當中，我們後續…… |
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賴委員士葆：那現在查的情況、違規的情況…… |
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莊部長翠雲：現在違規的情況行庫還沒有回報回來。 |
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賴委員士葆：初步呢？初步你們難道沒有…… |
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莊部長翠雲：他們查一段時間之後，我們會再請他們回報。 |
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賴委員士葆：我問你最後一點，不要急嘛，我的時間很短，健保署、衛福部長要挹注癌症新藥基金100億，他現在動到酒這個念頭來了，他要課酒捐，這你知道嗎？ |
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莊部長翠雲：我看到新聞是寫到……有這麼一個新聞，是。 |
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賴委員士葆：你們開始動作沒有？ |
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莊部長翠雲：捐不會在我們這邊課，我們是稅，捐是衛福部的執掌。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以捐是衛福部的事情？ |
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莊部長翠雲：對！ |
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賴委員士葆：它針對酒要課捐，所以酒變貴，是這個意思嗎？好啦！ |
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莊部長翠雲：好，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝。 |
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下一位質詢請郭國文郭召委。 |
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68 |
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委員會-11-1-20-20 |
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羅明才 |
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林德福 |
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吳秉叡 |
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賴士葆 |
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郭國文 |
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李坤城 |
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賴惠員 |
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顏寬恒 |
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王鴻薇 |
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李彥秀 |
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黃珊珊 |
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王世堅 |
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陳玉珍 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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黃國昌 |
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林楚茵 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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吳春城 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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1 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第20次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、財政部莊部長翠雲就「如何促進保險業資金擴大
參與公共建設，加速建設之推動。」進行專題報告，並備質詢；另邀請中央銀行、國家發展委員
會、經濟部、交通部列席備詢；二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17人擬具「保險法第一百四十六
條之四條文修正草案」案 |
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主席以及各位先進有請金管委的彭主委彭主委主委您早有關於今天的主題我們周圍提案利益其實是非常良好的就是台灣現在希望更多來投資台灣 |
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三分之二領不到平均薪資 |
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這件事很難過欸領不到3萬的領不到3萬的150萬人欸這都財政部公布的數字啊所以這個這個召委的利益很好就是但是你現在一直強調說如果按照這樣子9兆要回來是吧是的如果按照現在數字來統計的話9兆9兆是什麼概念9兆是什麼概念 |
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我請問你,知不知道我們的GDP一年幾兆?GDP...呃...我要算一下,對不對?要...要讓總裁來講一下我們GDP一年多少?副...副總裁啊副總裁那個8兆多的新台幣一年8兆GDP啊?不是10幾兆嗎?要10兆嗎?不是啊?蛤? |
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我記得是幾兆18兆18兆啦18兆啦等於有半個我們的GDP要回來現在來講那個主任你剛剛說現在在現有的45%底下 |
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就有 還有三兆沒有用完現在以我們現在保險法的規定就是它以資金的10%現在只用到如果說最寬的估計大概就1%那如果單單公建這一塊只有0.42%這主要是台灣沒有投資標的嘛 |
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這是沒有投資標的公建的投資報告也不行然後推出的也少很容易被有心人士特定人士圍標啦幹什麼的而且你會不會擔心股市過熱啊這錢一回來股市不是又暴漲了會不會 |
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當然如果從供需籌碼來看確實有這樣的想像請問你拜託問一下現在股市有沒有過熱現在我剛剛也跟委員報告過其實我們關注的議題是看起來現在台灣是有基本面的支撐還有一些我們看看整個的交易量或什麼我們再多密切關注我覺得 |
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我們平均EPS多少我們平均股市的報酬率現在大概是2.66左右多少我們的應該是2.66我的數字EPS什麼2.66不是不是EPS就是股市的那個本益比本益比是22左右美國多少美國的部分這個我們這個可能要來局長來來當一下搶手張局長 |
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美國多少?香港勒?就是你二十幾的那個EPS到底台灣是偏高還是偏低?一般來講是偏...不會偏高喔多少?剛剛那個數字是殖利率啦殖利率是2點多啦2.5殖利率是2.5 |
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我知道殖利率啦我問你問題那個不是殖利率啦我問他那個本利比啦幾倍啦幾倍22倍左右22.84美國幾倍美國24.84香港勒11.24比起香港我是偏高的喔大概美國跟香港差一半 |
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288.694 |
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房地產會不會也鼓勵對到時候房地產一倍衝破一層?會不會? |
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293.587 |
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邀請中央銀行、國家發展委員會、經濟部、交通部列席備詢。 |
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所以你是反對修法?我們當然覺得說現況如果做這樣的修法對市場衝擊過大我們剛剛也報告過我們持保留也希望能夠維持現在的條文 |
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353.867 |
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8月15日環境部說要進行碳礁域運作。證交所有一個碳礁域 |
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365.171 |
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365.611 |
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國內交易、國內對國外交易什麼時候? |
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385.387 |
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395.991 |
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我記得碳交易所在去年7月成立以後,去年年底就曾經做過那個交易對,就是國內的金控公司和金融機構也開始進行這個購買,對,不過這個碳交易國內對國內沒有,沒有開放喔 |
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427.972 |
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我們可能預計下半年,這部分因為前一陣子也有跟那個環境部因為這跟環境部的整個政策推動有關今年底可以期待嗎?今天?今年底今年我們是,剛剛局長,對對局長剛剛講是下半年這什麼時候嘛,你剛剛說下半年9月、12月、10月、11月 |
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對,這個齁,這個其實,這個雖然說那個碳交易所是由這個比如證交所下面,但是實際上這牽涉到我們知道啦,你推給環境部啦沒有,我們是預期就是明年,但詳細的時間我們這邊沒辦法,在這邊還要跟環境部做協調,對 |
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453.644 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
主席 |
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委員好兩位長官好現在有一個題目我們看到現在最熱的題目之一猜量行動他們有一個什麼什麼猜量行動血灰血灰的名義他已經達標募到700多萬 |
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517.593 |
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七百多萬我請問部長按照規定按照你們輔助署所得稅法第11條的規定 |
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這些的協會或者基金會他如果是人家捐款給你就捐款for捐款only沒有問題這個就看他一年月額這個有沒有花掉70%沒有70%要課稅但是他有賣比如說這基金會有賣書或者協會有賣什麼東西那現在就有了他們就賣T恤 |
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有賣T恤?請問你,他有沒有跟你交營業稅?有沒有跟你交營業稅?有沒有?不然我是不是可以請署長來?好,署長可以。 |
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謝謝委員的吹詢那這個我們應該分兩塊就第一個到底這個集資平台現在看起來是一個集資的方式那接下來是誰提出這樣的集資平台它集資的資金要用在什麼地方那如果它現在是一個機關團體就像剛剛委員 |
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所得稅有第11條規定很清楚喔它是教育、文化、公益、慈善、機關或團體有銷售貨物或老物要報生營業稅 |
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要報營業稅啊 甚至要報所得稅啊是對吧 我講對吧委員剛剛您提到的是我們所得稅法第4條第一項第13款規定它是針對所得稅的部分它是說如果你是符合我們教育文化公益資產機關團體符合行政院標準那它就要申報 |
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這個單位有沒有跟你報營業稅我就問你這個單位這個單位有沒有跟你報營業稅他要報喔 他要報喔 他已經截止了 |
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四月十五日他五月就截止了四月十五日的代表你今年這個六月要向你報營業稅我們營業稅是每兩個月報就好是七月是單數月所以要七月十五號看他有沒有數七月十五號要報對 |
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您要提醒他要報喔!好細喔!這在我身上是問題很大!好,那個,陳副長,我問你喔!你那個新青恩專案,你不是開始修理了嗎?這個,有開始剎車了齁?你也做一個報告! |
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707.378 |
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你已經做一個報告先遷案專案其實你已經報告都有了可是你沒公佈你那個平均一千件有幾件有類似人頭或者是這個這個不要說詐騙啦齁類似人頭的不正當說法做法有幾件一千件裡面 |
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呃,這個部分吼,我們針對先對高風險的案子篩出來,然後有行庫他會去逐案的去了解,逐案去了解,對。 |
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結果要出來啊,結果現在沒有啊可是我知道是訊息,你們已經有了,你們答案有了沒有嗎?還沒有答案嗎?不是啊,都在持續的追查當中啊,對現在違規的情況我們還沒有,那個行庫還沒有回報回來初步,你們難道沒有感覺? |
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我們會在稍後再會跟他們查一個時間一段時間我們會跟他們再請他們回報是好最後一點最後一點我問你這個這個不要急嘛我這時間很短這個健保署這衛福部長啊要預祝癌症新基金新藥基金100億他現在動到9這個念頭來了他要課9捐這你知不知道 |
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那新聞是寫到有這麼一個新聞是我們那捐他不會在我們這邊課啊我們是稅啊捐是衛福部的所以捐是衛福部的事情喝了酒了就要課捐所以酒並貴是這個意思喝了喝謝謝好現在質詢郭國文郭昭偉 |