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154389 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154389 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第20次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期第20次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-28T10:43:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-28T10:59:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
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| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:43:26 - 10:59:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第20次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。
二、6月28日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
三、7月2日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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蘇委員清泉：（10時43分）謝謝主席，我請卓院長。 |
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主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。 |
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蘇委員清泉：第一階段請經濟部，第二階段請農業部。 |
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主席：現在要請經濟部備詢嗎？蘇委員，現在請經濟部？ |
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蘇委員清泉：是。謝謝。 |
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主席：麻煩請經濟部備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰：蘇委員好。 |
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蘇委員清泉：好，卓院長辛苦了。 |
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卓院長榮泰：不會。 |
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蘇委員清泉：這兩天我到恆春，因為我常去核三廠，核三廠我差不多去過一、二十趟，核三廠的廠長我們都很熟稔，我去核三廠旁邊叫做大光里，大光里那裡一個議員的阿嬤過世，我就和這些民意代表、鄉長，恆春半島四個鄉鎮的鄉長跟一些主席，也有藍的也有綠的，他們討論後的結果，只有兩個，我想院長你要注意聽一下。他們說，我們在這裡和這個核三廠為鄰三十多年了，我們都沒意見，我們都同意延役，我們要的是什麼？他們要的是他們的福利要比較好，他們要的是他們的醫療要好一點的。譬如說我們恆春旅遊醫院，蘇貞昌那個時候將它改成旅遊醫院，他們希望能改回來部立醫院，請卓院長考慮一下，因為他們覺得旅遊醫院太狹隘了，醫院的存在就是要給當地居民使用，醫院有80%是服務當地的居民，外來、旅遊等有突發狀況的部分差不多占20%而已，所以他們希望改回來。他們有一個質疑就是：我們在這裡和核三廠這樣共伴三、四十年了，我們都沒有意見，評比也都不錯，也有做過兩次問卷調查，差不多有76%以上的百姓都沒有反對，都同意它延役，我們都沒意見，你們臺北這麼多意見，到底是在做什麼？ |
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第二個，有一個部分更加嚴重，這個核三廠土地徵收是600公頃，圍起來的是400公頃，院長，你可能也不知道。現在這兩個爐子剛好在左邊角落，那裡占的面積很小，在那400公頃的土地上，現在光電業者已經迫不及待的在整理這些有草的地方，要去蓋光電板了，他們覺得為什麼這麼急，到底民進黨是跟光電業掛多深、到底是欠人家多少，還是到底是拿了多少？這是他們的質疑。關於這兩點，院長稍微思考一下，這是我替他們反映，這不是藍的、不是綠的，是在地的鄉親長輩講的。 |
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請看下一張，這就是我們屏東車城的這塊地，你有看到嗎？這一大片以前是統一的，光電業卻弄成這樣，都是風飛沙，全部都「糜糜卯卯」。來，這是我們蘇貞昌說的屏鵝公路、最美麗的風景線，這樣叫最美麗的風景線？這種場地這麼大，或者是核三廠400公頃都蓋上光電板，所產生的電力一年差不多是三點多億度，那核三廠兩個爐子的產電量一年差不多一百七十幾億度，連尾數都不到，那如果要取代核三廠兩個爐子產生的電，這一種規模的差不多要60座，我們有那麼多的土地能接受這樣的蹂躪嗎？你再來看看，這個是我們內埔的東勢村、東片村，我都去看了，這在20年以後要怎麼復原？院長，這都是鋪水泥，有的都是砂石，就這樣弄下去，所以不是用那個壞的地，有的是不錯的地，像我們現在講的農一、農二，連農二也是這樣搞，所以要好好的考慮，不能這樣搞。 |
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剛才我們賴士葆委員說得很辛苦，我看院長也是涼涼的回答他，我覺得大家都是為了臺灣好，大家都希望臺灣好，都希望我們臺灣可以往下發展，那核三廠除役要建一個最大的光電區，我剛才也跟院長報告，400公頃全部蓋滿也才三點多億度電，太少了！你看看這塊600公頃的地這麼漂亮，被徵收，然後把400公頃圍起來，所以我在這邊很誠懇的呼籲行政院。郭部長今天不在，我是很欽佩他，很尊敬他，他是一個業者、一個大老闆、一個董事長，賺了很多錢，跑來這裡當經濟部長，想要好好的發揮，一下子說不缺電，一下子說缺電，一下子說要核能，一下子說不要核能，一直轉來轉去，我覺得很失望。對於我們卓院長協調的能力，大家都很稱讚，所以我們是有條件來支持核三延役。 |
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卓院長榮泰：第一個跟委員報告，核電廠40年的壽命是當時政府跟人民的契約，我們必須在這個信賴原則底下去做依法該做的事情，當然有相關的法律可以去做調整。不過，現在跟委員報告的是，依照核管法施行細則第十六條，整個除役25年，這個核三廠是不能做其他……流程要走25年，除役的流程才會走完，在這個過程當中，它不可以做其他不相關的使用，剛剛說的那個只是在廠區的外圍。另外，屏東有多處林相不佳的地區，現在因為整個考慮，它會回復做農用，但是有一些地力不佳的，它只要不是敏感地區，也不具有生態棲息地，將來還是有考慮做光電來使用，但是林相不佳的會回復，這個請委員提供資料，我們共同檢討，這個都是好的方向。 |
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蘇委員清泉：台電昨天有提出一個，就是說如果在2點到10點自己停電1小時，1個月給他獎勵48塊獎勵金，我如果用醫生的立場，說這種話，這個可能要吃藥了，有這種荒唐的想法嗎？次長。 |
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陳次長正祺：報告委員，這種需量反應台電已經做了幾十年，都是跟企業、用電大戶做，現在是推到住家去，是自願性的立場，這個是美國、日本都在做，如果要引進綠能的時候，本來這個需量的調節……如果像現在美國在做的，電動車的電也可以灌回給電網，這是一個試辦的性質，這不是說…… |
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蘇委員清泉：核三廠只要降載，一部一號機降載的話，屏東市也跳電，小琉球也跳電，南港也跳電，板橋也跳電，總有一大堆理由，像松鼠、蛇、鳥等等，每一次講的理由都是荒誕不羈啦！聽起來都是很荒唐的，這個不要再當理由了啦！ |
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陳次長正祺：這個是因為…… |
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蘇委員清泉：小琉球20年，在連戰那個時代，第一條海底電纜過去，現在已經兩條了，用電量太大了，不夠嘛！所以跳電嘛！ |
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陳次長正祺：是，所以配電系統我們現在已經盤點，第一個，人口成長很快；第二個，負載增加很多；第三個，設備比較老舊的會優先來更換它的配電系統。 |
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蘇委員清泉：我們屏東有山、有水、有土地，屏東有水、有電，希望台積電！現在呢？有水，沒電，沒有台積電。今天台積電打臉我們，說它不願意來了，本來要來做封裝測試廠，我們很疼惜這塊土地，屏東的水很多，像伏流水、隘寮溪、二峰圳、東港溪，光是東港溪攔河堰一天就抽二十幾萬噸去高雄，高屏溪攔河堰也差不多抽30萬噸，伏流水一天可以有80萬噸，我非常深入去瞭解，跟屏科大教授。 |
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陳次長正祺：報告委員，屏東很美麗，不會沒電啦！水也很多。 |
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蘇委員清泉：核三廠停下來就缺電了，恆春半島的人們的想法，院長，我今天跟你說，你要聽進去。請經濟部回座，再來請農業部。這個中間我插播一下，我昨天晚上接到簡訊說食藥署長今天換人，昨天我們邱部長還在講說空穴來風，到底是怎樣？院長，食藥署吳署長。 |
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卓院長榮泰：所有部會對其所屬主管的人事調動，我們都尊重部長，昨天他應該是在還沒有完成整個程序之前，所以他不想在那個時候做任何的證實，我想我體諒他的心情，也希望大家能夠瞭解，但是他應該是在完成程序之後，就照既定的程序來走。 |
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蘇委員清泉：好，我們農業部這邊，我這裡要肯定一下農業部長，還有我們的漁業署張署長，院長，我當你的面稱讚他們，我們上次去看屏東生技園區的雞蛋銷毀情況，當時楊瓊瓔、我還有民眾黨張啓楷，我們對陳部長非常讚賞，因為他勇敢面對任何的事實，然後勇於承擔，而且都說實在話，說實在話很重要，我很不愛聽人家「烏龍踅桌」，所以陳部長，我要對你再次肯定。但是這次黑鮪魚的事情處理得不好，漁業署張署長，你要不要上來一下？不用？對於黑鮪魚轉成內銷，這十幾年來價格都還不錯，但是因為中西太平洋漁業委員會限制我們1年1,965公噸嘛？ |
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陳部長駿季：1,965公噸。 |
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蘇委員清泉：一千九百六十五公噸。所以抓到那裡就要停了，結果在那中間只有拍賣那一天叫人來作秀，然後叫廠商來相挺，1公斤拍賣一萬零三百塊，喔！天價！第一尾是三百多公斤，賣了三百多萬。但是從隔天開始，1公斤剩800、600，一直掉、掉、掉，掉到最後剩1公斤80、100，漁民向我反映、對我「姦撟」，我當天就通知部長和署長，他們馬上處理，結果處理得不漂亮啦！部長，那要怎麼辦？ |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，因為我們有配額，所以過往我們到90%把資訊提供給漁民的時候，那個時間太短了，因為時間太短，有一些漁船已經出海，要去抓也不是，不抓也賠錢，所以這個部分我們的檢討就是，未來整個配額的分配先用時段來分配，分配的時候我們會加強我們整個通報的數量。 |
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蘇委員清泉：院長，一千九百六十五噸很少欸！ |
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陳部長駿季：對啊！ |
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蘇委員清泉：還有鬼頭刀一萬六千多噸欸，還有大目鮪魚七萬多噸欸！ |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，端午節之前的黑鮪魚本身品質比較好，所以我們會利用這樣的調控，讓漁民知道他的時間點，跟他抓的數量。 |
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蘇委員清泉：一整年漁汛期兩個多月而已，希望我們的百姓、我們鄉親一整年都可以吃到高品質的黑鮪魚。 |
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陳部長駿季：對。 |
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蘇委員清泉：我們就是因為冷鏈不夠嘛，需要在零下幾十度…… |
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陳部長駿季：45度。 |
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蘇委員清泉：就是負45度以下的冷鏈不夠，我們的農業部、我們的漁業署在補助各個漁會建置冷鏈速度太慢，是不是品質也不夠？還是他們維護得不好？一千九百多噸，產量300條、400條一進來，價格掉到100塊，院長，這樣你聽得下去嗎？如果這樣幾十萬噸的要怎麼辦？ |
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陳部長駿季：我是不是跟委員報告，我們現在東港的鹽埔地區已經成立了一個冷鏈，現在正在規劃興建，還沒蓋好之前我們會協調附近冷凍廠的部分。剛剛委員說的應該要負45°C，這個部分我們會優先協助建設。 |
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蘇委員清泉：你要讓他們停，6月12號就不能抓，但是6月9號才發公文，三天，船都出去了，有的已經出去了，有的已經抓一半，抓到還要把牠丟掉，丟到海裡面，情何以堪啊？部長，哪有人這樣在搞的？你們有給人家補助嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：報告委員，當時我們就跟農業部有檢討過，未來對漁民的服務、通告、公告的時效要掌握得精確一點，不要造成大家的困擾。 |
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蘇委員清泉：要給他們補助啦！ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們深深地檢討，是。 |
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蘇委員清泉：有的一出去都…… |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，針對這個部分，我們有開始去規劃相關產業的輔導措施，至於這個措施，我相信我們會跟漁民好好討論，未來就這個部分怎麼樣做一個更好的精進作為。 |
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蘇委員清泉：就是要對漁民補償一點啦！ |
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陳部長駿季：對。 |
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蘇委員清泉：然後，作秀的啦、遊行的不要做啦，那些錢省下來做基金啦！ |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員對漁民的關心，以及對核三廠的關心，我們一起去解決問題。謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝蘇清泉委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長的備詢。 |
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接下來我們請登記第3號顏寬恒委員質詢。 |
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蘇委員好蘇委員長辛苦了 |
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這兩天我到恆春,因為我常去河山場。河山場我差不多去一直執著。那河山場的廠長我們都很熟練。那我去河山場旁邊叫做大光禮。大光禮我叫了一個姨姨我的阿嬤貴姓。我就把這位議員代表鄉長,恆春本土四個鄉長的鄉長跟一些主席也有來也有去。 |
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他們合論後的結果,我希望你們要注意聽一下。他們說我們在這裡參加河山場35年,我們都沒有意見,我們都同意原意, |
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我們愛是什麼?因為愛,因為愛,是他們的福利比較好。因為愛,是他們的醫療要比較好。比如說我們鄉村旅遊醫院,蘇春昌那個時候給它改成旅遊醫院,他們希望能改回來部立醫院。昨天早上去考慮一下,因為覺得旅遊醫院太狹隘了。醫院的存在就是要給當地,給當地, |
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醫院的服務是以當地百分之八十為服務當地的。外來的旅遊的等等那個突發的差不多占百分之二十而已啦。所以這個他們希望改回來。那他們的一個質疑就是,啊我們在這個河山場這樣共辦三四十年,我們都沒意見,啊評評都不錯。 |
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我都沒意見,問一件我做過兩次,差不多76%以上的北省也不反對,都同意原意。我都沒意見,你台北那轉意見是在做什麼?美麗,又比較嚴重。這個河山場的土地,整宿是600公頃,有起來有400公頃,一定你可能也不知道。 |
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阿現在這兩天下午,我剛才在角那邊,左邊那邊,現在要說民宿很小,那400公頃,現在我們的光電業者迫不及待,已經在整理草地了,現在有草地的所在,要蓋光電板了。阿他們說,怎麼會這樣蓋,這樣蓋,到底民進黨蓋光電業就是掛外侵,到底蓋了多少,還是到底是 |
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這就是我們屏東的車廂。車廂這塊地你有看到嗎?這大片,以前通過的。這樣光天夜澤跟武漢風 |
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紅白沙迷迷茂茂來看一看來來蘇貞昌講平和公路最美麗的風景線這樣這叫最美麗的風景線這種長這麼大長現在是河山長四百公頃中看光電板所產生的電力差不多三點多億度一年 |
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那河山長兩個爐子它的產電量一年差不多一百七十幾億度我連尾數都沒有那你如果要取代這個河山長兩個爐子產生的電這種規模的差不多要60座我們有那麼多的土地能接受這樣的蹂躪嗎你看再來看看我們 |
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這個是內埔的東勢村、東片村,我都去想、都去看。這20年要怎麼復原? |
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院長,這都空安門堂,有的都塑造了,這樣都被寵了。所以不是用那個賣的地,有的賣賣的地,我們現在說融一融二,融二也少了一步。所以要好好的考慮。 |
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蘇清泉委員：蘇清泉 |
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吳副長今天不在,我是很羨慕他的,很尊敬的。 |
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﹚蘇清泉﹚ |
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第一個跟委員報告,核電廠40年的壽命是當時政府跟人民的契約,我們必須要這個信賴原則底下去做依法該做的事情。當然有相關的法律可以去做調整,不過現在跟委員報告的是依照核管法施行細則第16條, |
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另外﹖ |
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台北昨天有提一個市長說自己兩點到十點自己停電一小時 |
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各月給他獎勵48塊獎勵錢。我如果用議席的立場說這種外人可能要吃油了,這種有這種荒唐的想法嗎?市長。 |
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報告委員,這種虛量反映,臺電已經做了幾十年都是跟企業用電大戶做,現在是推到住家去,自願性的立場,這個是美國日本都在做,這是要引進綠燃的時候,本來就是虛量的調節,以後如果像現在美國在做的,電動車的電也可以灌回給電網,這是事辦的性質,這不是說 |
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你河山廠只降災,一部1號機降災,冰凍機也跳斷,修理局也跳斷,南港也跳斷,班橋也跳斷,總總一堆堆理由,什麼碰漆啦,什麼爪啦,什麼膠啦,每一次講的理由都是荒誕不居啦,聽起來都是很荒唐的,這個不要再當理由了啦。小六九20年,在連戰那個時代第一條還在電纜過去,現在已經兩條了。 |
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我們屏東有山有水有土地 |
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平東有水有電希望台積電阿,阿現在呢,有水沒電沒有台積電。今天台積電給我們打臉說他不可以來了,我們要來做封裝測試場。 |
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瓜委員屏東很美麗,不會沒電啦,它水也很多。 |
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昨天晚上接到簡訊說石耀署長今天換人了昨天我們邱部長還在講說風雪來風到底是怎樣 |
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一定,是要屬吳署長啊。所有部會對他所屬的主管的人士的調動啊,我們都尊重部長。那昨天他應該是在還沒有完成整個程序之前,所以他不想在那個時候做任何的證實。我想我體諒他的心情,也希望大家能夠了解。但是他應該是完成了程序之後,就照既定的程序來走。 |
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好,我們農業部這邊,我這裡要肯定一下農業部長,還有我們的漁業署長、署長,一定我當他們那邊給你額落。我們上次去看屏東生機園區的雞蛋銷毀的。 |
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陳部長當時楊瓊英我還有民眾黨張其凱我們對他非常讚賞因為勇敢面對任何的事實然後勇於承擔而且我們恭喜在位恭喜在位很重要的我很不愛聽人家亂說話所以陳部長我再次肯定但是喔這次的黑鮪魚的事情處理的不好張署長你要先開這個嗎要不要啦齁 |
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我對於這個黑鮪魚轉成內銷那這十幾年來價格都還不錯但是因為中西太平洋的漁業委員會跟我們借可能喊我們今年1965公噸1965公噸1965公噸所以你如果到那裡就要停了 |
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﹚蘇清泉議員﹚ |
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我跟委員報告,就是說因為我們有配合的時候,所以過往我們在90%的時候在把這個資訊提供給漁民的時候,那個時間太長了,因為時間太長有人給一些基準已經出海了, |
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委員長 |
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一千六九萬六十五噸,很少耶。對啊。還有那個幾條島一萬六千幾噸耶。還有那個大戶鮪魚七萬多噸耶。我跟委員報告齁,那個端午節進行的那個飛鮪魚本身的品質比較好。所以我們會利用這樣的一個調控齁,讓漁民知道他的時間點齁,跟他的抓的數量。 |
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我們希望我們一整年,因為漁訓期兩個多月而已嘛。希望我們的百姓、我們鄉親一整年都可以吃到高品質的黑鮪吐露嘛。啊,我們是什麼?兩年不夠嘛。連下幾十度,連下六十、四十六十,四十五度以下的兩年不夠。我們的農業部、我們的漁業署在補助各個漁會來企這兩年,速度太慢。 |
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是不是做品質也不夠,還是上面維護得不好。1900多噸,產量300條、400條一進來,價格掉到100塊。 院長你怎麼敢拖下去,如果要顧六萬噸要怎麼辦? |
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我要給他停。6月12日就不能抓。 |
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月月19號在發公文,三天,全部都處理,有的已經處理,有的已經抓一半,抓一半的,抓到要把它丟掉,丟到海裡面,情何以堪啊,不領,靠人家這樣在錄的啦。 |
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報告委員,當時我們就跟農業部有檢討過未來對漁民的服務、通告、公告的時效要掌握的精確一點,不要造成大家的困擾。我們深深的檢討。我跟委員報告,針對這個部分,我們有開始去規劃相關的產業的一個輔導的一個措施。那這個措施我相信我們會跟漁民來好好的討論,未來就這個部分怎麼樣做更好的一個精進的作為。 |
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接下來我們請登記 |