iVOD / 154110

Field Value
IVOD_ID 154110
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154110
日期 2024-06-19
會議資料.會議代碼 全院委員會-11-1-1
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第1會期第1次全院委員會會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 1
會議資料.會次 1
會議資料.種類 全院委員會
會議資料.標題 立法院第11屆第1會期第1次全院委員會會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2024-06-19T16:31:21+08:00
結束時間 2024-06-19T16:42:00+08:00
影片長度 00:10:39
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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委員名稱 沈發惠
委員發言時間 16:31:21 - 16:42:00
會議時間 2024-06-19T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 第11屆第1會期第1次全院委員會會議(事由:審查「立法院職權行使法」修正部分條文、「中華民國刑法」增訂第五章之一章名及第一百四十一條之一條文等覆議案。)
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 主席我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長說明身為人好卓院長好辛苦啦齁不會應該的這個我說你辛苦了不是因為說你站一整天啦齁
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 受益良多
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 你覺得收益楊多我是覺得非常辛苦非常辛苦了你要面對這個在野黨立委這個顛倒是非這個睜眼說瞎話你還不能夠插嘴你還不能做說明這個你還要注意不能夠這個不能反質詢不能被移送這個藐視國會罪這實在是非常辛苦
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 其實在我看來我相信說做這樣的決定以及今天一整天我們的討論我們都可以知道說這一次的這整個法案可以說它的違憲之處我說白一點它是肉眼可見肉眼可見就是違憲這個何須大法官對一解釋在野黨立委一直講說你是大法官嗎?行政院是大法官嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 我看齁今天一整天有一件事情我也非常在意啦齁這是在野黨立委他一直講說今天齁好像如獲至寶啦齁說這個民意調查齁說支持國會改革的齁有五成啦有五成支持國會改革啦齁那這個不只是媒體啦媒體大幅報導啦那這個在野黨立委在今天一整天的質詢也是如獲至寶一直講這個齁
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 其實我今天再去舉個例子大家就明白了齁我今天如果說立法院我今天通過一個叫做孝順父母法出去做民調說我來通過一個孝順父母法好不好不要說五成啦八成的民意我看八成以上的民意都會贊成對不對應該百分之百民法都有規定百分之百孝順父母法結果去做民調說孝順父母法大家百分之八成都同意結果一看啊孝順父母法裡面的規定內容是如果父母不吃飯你可以強迫冠食
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 今天這個法案就是這樣子啊我們掛著一個國會改革的招牌然後裡面競幹一些骯髒事情自我擴權違反憲法這就跟我剛剛講的肖徹父母沒什麼兩樣我今天如果通過一個交通安全法大家也去做民調交通安全大家也是大概百分之百但是結果去看內容如果行人違反交通規則你可以當場撞死他今天這個國會改革法案就是這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 今天還有一個說甚至還講說贊成這個如果有藐視國會的行為要科以刑責這個贊成的民眾也有四成八今天我若去問說立法委員在立法院裡面胡說八道顛倒是非說謊要判十年以上有期徒刑我看贊成會到九成了贊成會到九成了
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 所以這種拿這種民意調查然後來這邊沾沾自喜如獲至寶我實在覺得可笑至極了那我們今天時間有限我現在光罵在野黨就過了一半的時間我沒有時間跟這個院長來討論我們真的實質的內容因為今天這個我們所提出覆議案有非常多的點它都是違憲的例如說
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 沒錯
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 所以我就在這整個所謂的國會擴權法案裡面大概大家最大的爭議焦點牽涉到人民的就是國會調查權對不對院長是的國會調查權齁這個其實這一黨立委一直講說全世界的國會都有調查權啊為什麼台灣到現在還沒有調查權到現在調查權還沒有為什麼我也想問為什麼啊
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 我們的憲法從1947年到今天2024年實施了77年為什麼國民黨這麼笨他在過去過去50年60年他都不給國會調查權為什麼?院長為什麼?
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 不管是這個我們的國會改革的過程或者是甚至在大法官會議解釋裡面都贊成國會有一定程度的調查權包括我們的這個釋之325號釋之585號跟釋之729號大概這三個大法官會議解釋是對於這個國會調查權做非常清楚的解釋的對有條件的那我們今天現在所通過的這個這個立法院職權行使法它裡面當然
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 我們要細講每一個點他都有違反這個大法官會議的三個解釋但是我今天要講人民今天我們所通過的這個法案能夠要出席國會的聽證以及國會可以詢問的調查對象依照這個我們通過的第47條第一項他的規定是不是所有的基於中華民國的治安人跟法人全部都包括在內的
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 如果包括政府機關政府人員部隊法人團體以及社會上相關之人法人團體及社會上的人自然人所以不管你法人你任何的團體土豐五色你的這個土豐五色也是團體早上的太極拳也是團體
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 任何一間餐廳也是團體,任何一個人走在路上他都是自然人,都是社會上相關的人,相不相關由立法院認定。所以全國每一個人民,他都有機會被我們的這個調查委會調到立法院來,對不對?可不可以不出席?對,有罰則。
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 國民黨說沒有啊我們那個刑法沒有表示國衛隊只有公務員但是這個要罰一萬到十萬而且按次處罰捏按次處罰不是說我一次罰你十萬不是是按次處罰完了傳你一次你不來就罰你十萬兩次不來再罰十萬十次不來再罰罰你一百萬
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 這個還不要緊喔,你到底還不能,你能不能有律師,還不是你決定的,我們刑事訴訟法都可以律師,這個偵查期間律師都可以陪同,但是來立法院,立法委員問你話,你能不能帶律師,還要看主席同不同意咧,對不對。他欠缺正當的法律程序。再來,我們在司法偵查的過程,都可以行使那個緘默權,
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 來立法院不能行使緘默權捏你不能說我知道我自證己罪我拒絕我行使緘默權不行你如果拒絕證言也有罰則捏我今天剩下不到一分鐘了今天假設一個食安調查委員會成立一個食安調查委員會結果我要你鼎泰豐交出你的配方你就得交出你的配方捏我今天成立一個科技外流
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