| IVOD_ID |
154102 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154102 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-1-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第1次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第1次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-19T14:52:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-19T15:02:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3367213ea81ee142703b01cac183e93cc8204f6a4417db433867d048431dc7358db5fa9ab833ea3e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:52:19 - 15:02:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第1次全院委員會會議（事由：審查「立法院職權行使法」修正部分條文、「中華民國刑法」增訂第五章之一章名及第一百四十一條之一條文等覆議案。） |
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謝謝主席。我們請卓院長。麻煩再請卓院長說明。卓院長好。我想你會提出覆議,應該你看得非常清楚這整個修法的內容。 |
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報告委員報告 |
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若干的委員員通過裡面的內容很多到現在就欠缺法律的明確性我們無法定義它我們在這裡經常有這樣的經驗在這裡尋答還有一點點知道如何去面對一般的國人是無法的所以缺乏法律的明確性這一點是非常清楚而且是嚴重的 |
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所以我們會提出覆議是因為缺乏法律的一個依據性明確性對還有明確性所以在這樣的一個依據性明確性非常清楚的我們問了什麼叫反直學沒有定位沒有定義因為未來我們看到如果定位不明的時候有可能出席委員五個人以上連署後覆議 |
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這一個被質詢人不滿他的意思就會被處罰兩萬到二十萬的罰款還可以連續罰而且如果出席委員五人以上連署或復議還得被移送彈劾跟懲戒最嚴重的所謂的虛偽陳述還會處一年以下有期徒刑拘役還有二十萬元以下的罰金 |
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所以未來來到立法院我看這些行政官員都不敢講話了因為不要講話啊因為講的話如果不滿這個立委的意思完蛋了我可能隨時只要五個人以上連署我就要被彈劾、被懲戒那我相信院長你站在這些所有行政官員的leader |
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所以當然希望這樣的結果不會發生在任何官員或是國人的身上所以我們才提出這樣的覆議就是希望能夠在重新的思考裡面任何一個有瑕疵自在難行的地方 |
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所以我們為什麼從之前希望是討論溝通我們大家把它定得非常清楚好對於反諮詢我相信我擔任立法委員我也沒有辦法接受行政官員對我們的不尊重或是對於我們所諮詢的議題不理不睬甚至沒有任何的回應 |
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我們也沒有辦法接受啊可是你的標準要設在哪裡不是你高興你要彈劾他就可以彈劾他還是他講的話不如你意你就要彈劾他這是白色恐怖這是立院的白色恐怖另外還有調查權 |
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你調查權定位不明也是很危險耶今天監察院有調查權好檢調有調查權現在多了立院有調查權請問這三方我們整個定位要怎麼區分啊那今天如果民眾拒絕立院的調查完蛋了經過決議也是一樣 |
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可以決議處一萬到十萬元的罰款還可以連續罰甚至公務員也是一樣如果有出席的委員五人你拒絕接受調查五個委員以上連署或呼應就要被送彈劾或懲戒 |
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一樣虛偽陳述者還是會有一年以下有歧途刑拘役或是二十萬元以下的罰金今天其實為什麼會有那麼多的輕鳥就是因為大家恐慌大家擔心什麼時候我會變成是那一位被要求調查而我不配合而要被處罰還甚至會處刑責的那一個民眾 |
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所以才會有那麼多的青鳥因為認為立院擴權了還有立院我們的調閱權也是一樣當你定位不明的時候民眾也是擔心當我拒絕被你調閱的時候我還是會被懲處罰款 |
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可是沒有人跟我講我為什麼要接受你立法院的調閱沒有人跟我講我的標準在哪裡範圍在哪裡立法委員的權責到哪裡沒有這裡面沒有講啊 |
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這就是外面那麼多人為什麼質疑也是立法院為什麼希望好好談的原因我相信也是院長你們會提出復議最重要的因素因為你們要保護人民你們要保護所有的公務人員不要讓他們陷入恐慌、擔憂還有聽證權 |
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我想聽證決也是一樣當你定位不明的時候你也是虛偽陳述你要被處罰還什麼叫虛偽陳述院長 |
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虛偽陳述這四個字有太多的範圍而且自由新政太廣闊了這個部分你沒有定清楚你沒有講明白虛偽陳述這四個字你知道可以帶了多少的高貌嗎? |
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這也是民眾為什麼那麼多人在我們當時候5月17號開始在表決然後有那麼多人願意站出來冒著風雨 |
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為我們大家來做後盾最重要的因素因為當你從反質詢、調查權、調閱權還有聽證權定位不明然後還有行政法還有刑法這是白色恐怖嗎?院長我相信這應該是你提出復議最大的因素吧 |
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沒有錯委員真的講到我們每天在反轉思索的這個問題如果這個讓每一個國人都要面臨這樣的心理壓力的話那以後進到這裡的每一個人他如何去就他的專業來講清楚專業上的機密他如何來維護在過程當中又沒有辦法得到必要的時候得到律師的保障這種在正當法律程序上的欠缺以及要不就可以 |
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國會改革一直都是我們從過去到現在民進黨一直堅持的我們從來沒有反對國會改革可是我們反對的是過度擴權的國會改革 |
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而且我們更反對你用國會改革這四個字好像可以無限上綱 |
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如果今天我們都可以有調查權我們也希望有調查權啊我們就把所有的調查權來整合大家談清楚我們要怎麼樣的限縮範圍我們的範圍在哪裡我們的調閱權要怎麼樣的依據我們的所謂的反質詢應該給所有公務人員怎麼樣的依詢還有我們的聽證權這些都可以談啊不是不能談啊 |
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為什麼不談,然後就把5月17號定了一個dayline,說就是這一天要投票,不投不行,然後往前推一個月,然後在4月17號以前一定要趕快出委員會,因為有一個月的冷凍期。 |
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當你壓了這些數字,當你壓了這些時間,國會改革就會變掉,因為它就沒有辦法被充分討論。當沒有被充分討論,它沒有被社會大眾所接受,那麼它就是一個失敗的國會改革。 |
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所以我們不希望說拿著國會改革的大旗可是卻在做立法院擴權的事甚至讓民眾會覺得有白色恐怖對於立法院當今天收到公文的時候他要不要來啊我會被罰我會不會被行政處分或是我會被刑法來做拘役甚至做徒刑的一個判定 |
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謝謝陳亭薇 |