| IVOD_ID |
154100 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154100 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-1-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第1次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第1次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-19T14:30:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-19T14:41:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3367213ea81ee1428066db20a45ee8a9c8204f6a4417db435fc17cfb183f2654ae85f944ae0b922b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴瑞隆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:30:36 - 14:41:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第1次全院委員會會議（事由：審查「立法院職權行使法」修正部分條文、「中華民國刑法」增訂第五章之一章名及第一百四十一條之一條文等覆議案。） |
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麻煩請卓院長 |
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委員長早上聽了你的詢答想問一下早上你的詢答我看到你有很多時候在回應等等的時候看來有些的立委們其實並不是很滿意你會不會擔心早上你的詢答有涉及到藐視國會跟涉及到反質詢特別是這次事件案的內容裡面就是覆議案的內容裡面早上我都依據先前的書面報告跟口頭報告的內容向委員來答詢 |
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但是我是希望說今天這兩天的全院委員會既然是設定在覆議案那我們應該鎖定這樣的焦點但是大家所擔憂什麼叫做反諮詢其實沒有清楚的定義如果不滿意甚至院會多數而這個話有可能就用反諮詢來來幫你移送包括 |
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院長同意這樣的看法嗎? |
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完全沒錯我早上形容過我如果是一般的國人第一次站在立法院裡面接受這樣的詢問心裡的壓力非常大在詢問的過程當中難免會有一些不是原來的意思的講話出來那這樣就應該被科以罰緩或是說政府官員就因為這樣子要科以刑責我覺得這個在 |
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委員長也要保護每一位國人 |
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感謝委員我如果依照憲法提出復議那應該是大家心平氣和的來討論而不是在諮詢的過程 |
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又那麼嚴厲的好像提出覆議是一個萬惡不赦大罪一樣那這樣子我覺得憲法的設計就違反了如果有違憲至於甚至有侵害人權連提覆議都不能覆議那我認為這個才是失職失責啦我認為這個所以我認為其實院長可能針對有問題的部分本來就該提出來這是憲法上賦予行政院的一個權責我也認為應該這麼做那我們當然更期待是禮拜五的時候經過每一個委員充分的思考之後 |
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賴瑞隆 |
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完全贊成委員的立體的觀點 |
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其實從今天早上的民調最新的民調看出來有47.4%是贊成覆議只有25%是不支持的所以顯然國人多數也是支持著行政院依法依憲來提出相關的覆議我們來看一下民調的顯示國民黨跟民眾黨兩黨的不滿意度 |
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幾乎都飆高起來這一段時間都達到了57.8跟56.8這個都非常的高表示說這一段時間在野黨立委的這樣的強行的通過的這個法律的這個狀況其實是人民是有所不滿的但我們要來期盼這樣的不滿其實是給予說的政治人物都有一定的警惕如果發現有問題了那其實該做的不是強行再通過而是應該停下來重新再回到立法院來重新做討論 |
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我認為立法院讓每個立委充分來討論我們一定有辦法制定一個更好的法案是一個真正的改革陽光的法案而不是一個擴權濫權的法案院長同意這樣的看法嗎?謝謝委員我認為所有的國人都一樣國會改革四個字沒有人會反對但他的精神應該是讓國會更有效率立法品質更好每個國會議員會更受到尊重整個國會的形象會更好 |
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295.396 |
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295.556 |
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依照憲法規定 |
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323.035 |
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352.288 |
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覆議案沒有過行政院就只能接受那行政會提出釋憲案嗎?我也沒有其他的選項那我現在所知民主進步黨立法院黨團有提出釋憲案那我們看看這個如果未來的有辦法透過另外的憲法的救濟讓整個事件能夠更圓滿的達到下一個階段對人民的權利的保障的話我們再做認識的思考如果覆議被否決的話認為每個相關的機關涉及到的其實都應該要提出來了齁其實不只是 |
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352.928 |
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353.168 |
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主席 |
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377.416 |
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393.146 |
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所以我看了一下今天早上的民調其實對於總統包括對院長幾乎都是48、47這樣一個很高的支持度所以顯然這段施政院長這樣整個內閣算穩健的風格其實國人是支持的 |
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393.686 |
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394.467 |
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院長你的看法呢? |
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422.956 |
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444.874 |
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國家還是要遲步的往前走,憲法設計的所有精神不要卡在這裡。所以退一步說,如果覆議案能夠過,那所有的事件案都會停下來,重新好好在立法院,由立法院內部很審慎的來審查每個法律。這個我們大都同意,但是現在有可能如果被覆議案否決的話,有百分之四十一 |
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446.096 |
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447.778 |
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以37.5的支持提不信案 |
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461.796 |
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481.852 |
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有一百多個學者一百三十歲法律學者跟兩百個律師都連署多數的法律的專業都認為其實這個是擴權應該要重新再審慎應該要支持這樣覆議但是如果禮拜五的時候藍白國民黨跟民眾黨還是堅持要否決要覆議的話我認為將來一定會提出釋憲而這樣的釋憲結果我認為兩黨的領袖應該負起政治責任 |
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485.715 |
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505.775 |
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不能夠只要求行政院長負責我認為你是依法提出來該做的覆議我反而認為如果事件結果出來了藍白強行要這樣過而事件結果出來的話我認為藍白的主席應該要下來負責這個當然不用院長答覆啦我認為這是個政治的問題但是我認為唯有這樣才能夠負起政治責任才能夠讓整個事情更加理性 |
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506.195 |
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526.866 |
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所以我們呼籲藍白兩黨的這個主席應該審慎來思考怎麼樣來包括朱立倫包括柯文哲主席應該整個來思考國家長治久安如果你堅持要用黨的力量來推動來否決到復議的話那你將來視線如果過的時候你不顧這麼多專家的意見而執意這麼做那應該要負起政治責任 |
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527.466 |
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531.368 |
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這是非常清楚的跟憲法完全抵觸不僅是及時回答及問及答而且是定期 |
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556.542 |
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583.031 |
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請總統到這裡來到國會來報告這個得聽取釋立法院有主動權包括總統也有主動權願不願意這是一種相互尊重的一個體制關係立法院是在監督行政院行政院對立法院負責憲政體制上是這樣子總統不能這個定得這麼清楚還可以這樣定我認為都是非常誇張包括侵害人權的部分也是啦你看社會有關係的人等的時候當院會決議的時候如果你不提供資料你就要被罰一萬以上十萬以下連續罰 |
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包括無正當理由、拒絕表達意見包括拒絕證言、拒絕提供資料經過院會的決議就要罰一萬以上十萬以下法還這個都已經嚴重的超越到了這個侵犯到人權的部分我們認為這個都非常有疑慮都應該要審慎來討論 |
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602.762 |
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包括反質詢的部分反質詢剛剛講到了嘛定義這麼不明的狀態下說你對只要涉及到這個部分院會決議就有可能被處罰這對所有的公務員在台上不是只有院長不是只有部長一般公務員有可能上質詢台所以我認為這些應該都要審慎所以我們還是要再次呼籲我們希望支持復議能夠來反對破權我們希望週五的覆議案能夠順利的來通過讓國家建立一個穩健的一個體制 |
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632.942 |
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謝謝賴瑞隆 |