| IVOD_ID |
154095 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154095 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-1-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第1次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第1次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-19T11:11:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-19T11:22:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3367213ea81ee1429a60c23f5112d35dc8204f6a4417db43b6ce992a2a96250d6f9539cac4b131f75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:11:18 - 11:22:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第1次全院委員會會議（事由：審查「立法院職權行使法」修正部分條文、「中華民國刑法」增訂第五章之一章名及第一百四十一條之一條文等覆議案。） |
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王鴻薇議員 |
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王委員好好 院長好在我們整個的國會改革法案提出之後啊真的充滿了太多的錯假消息我記得那時候總諮詢我就告訴你欸 剛才諮詢就有錯假消息然後我現在又要告訴你剛才李博弈委員又有錯假消息因為剛剛他特別提到的就說欸 我們有很多國防外交上面的機密 |
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如果都可以這樣子調查權,然後我們的公務人員,比如說我們國防部人員,他們都要這樣子一五一十地回答,這不是都適合命嗎?那我在這邊,剛才其實我非常遺憾的,我們的國防部長顧立雄部長其實他也是大律師, |
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我不曉得他有沒有仔細看過這個相關的修法我在這邊就是有必要要破除錯假消息第52條非常清楚的這個條文如果院長現在手上可以趕快翻 |
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第五十二條 調查、調閱報告書及意見處理未提出之前這些八八八都有保密的責任而且特別講到只有涉及外交、國防及其他依法應蓋秘密事項者 |
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於調查調閱報告及處理意見提出之後,原依依相關規定去保密。這是第五條,第五十二條清清楚楚的規定,也就是我們即便經過調查之後,但是涉及到國防外交及相關的一些法律,應該要保密還是要保密。好,再來看第五十九條之二, |
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第五十九條之五也是一樣說出席的這個委員當然應該要這個要好好的來報告據實報告但是只要牽涉到國防外交相關的法令他也是有權利來保守秘密的 |
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好所以我要講說在整個的法條的設計裡面我們希望在國會能夠有更強的監督權但是相關的國防外交以及其他法令規定的秘密在這裡面也有相當的保全的措施所以呢這些錯假消息真的不要再以訛傳訛 |
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一句話就可以回答委員 |
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星期五我們就要對覆議案做出表決 |
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你有信心覆議案能夠通過嗎?我很珍惜委員這一票 |
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憲法的規定讓我沒有選擇 |
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你會請辭嗎?直接講啊。所以你不會請辭齁。但是呢,院長,你從事政治工作這麼久齁,其實也都知道,其實做一個覆議案它是一個非常大的一個政治動作。 |
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他是憲法裡面的秩序跟設計沒有錯我講過就是不管是覆議也好或釋憲也好他都是我們在憲政體制裡面可以採取的相關的這個程序但是呢他在政治上是非常大的一個政治動作 |
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那基本上我們為什麼在講說要有所謂的政治責任呢所以我覺得院長輕易的去開啟當然我相信你也是身不由己啦那麼輕易的開啟去做這個復議的動作事實上在政治責任上其實應該要負起責任的好因為我的時間比較有限我想給大家看一個影片給院長看一個影片 |
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這個就是剛才李博義委員也特別詢問到的因為按照他的所講法說這邊部分被遮蔽可是我想在這個備詢台上兩位都當過立法委員那在立法院裡面我們在調閱文件的時候那看到像這樣像這樣可以繼續播放這個影片 |
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這個影片幾乎百分之九十五以上吧全部都被槓掉 |
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所以對於一個立法委員要行使他的職權想要來了解一個數位身份證花了公帑十四億但是呢卻在不同的行政院長的任內這個是賴清德當時擔任行政院長推動可是到了蘇貞昌當院長的時候呢就把他凍結暫停 |
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那花了十四億不打緊因為未來還要每年花六千多萬去做維護那麼所以在立法院裡面那些委員會是依法來成立了這個調查委員會那麼看到的又是這樣的資料所以如果今天我們在國會改革上面我們沒有辦法強化一些我們國會監督的功能 |
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我們很有可能每一次成立調查委員會最後就是這樣啊就跟過去之前在上一屆有關疫苗採購的時候看到的也是這樣 |
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所以這讓很多的民眾看到之後他會以為說你們今天是擴權你們本來就有原來的一些你們的工具你們本來就有一些你們的這個職權可以行使但是我們要告訴當我們依現在的制度去行使的時候我們調到資料就是這樣子 |
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報告委員你這個部分的資料是怎麼出來的我不知道 |
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若按照 |
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王鴻薇議員 |
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王鴻薇 |
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但是呢我願意把那個游英龍老師那我想因為他他這個臺灣民意基金會不管他做出來的民調是有利於我們或者不利於我們其實基本上我都會引以一定的尊重所以在臺灣民意基金會呢做出來的最新民調有51%支持行政院提出覆議案我願意徵證但是他這裡面有很多的子項目他的子項目可以看到 |
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雖然有51%支持提出覆議案,但是以立法院職權行使法及刑法增訂裡面,這些包含聽證會、藐視國會罪和同意權的行使,贊成的都超過五成。 |
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贊成的超過五成他贊成你們提復議但是他也贊成立法院的相關的法令的增訂而且所有每一項贊成的比例都高於不贊成的比例所以我要講到就是說當院長行政院提出復議的時候有真的去 |
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新聽還有去接近民意嗎?如果在這一個多月來府院黨窮盡一切的力量去污名化國會改革的法案去阻擋國會改革的法案用盡一切力量但是以由於這個老師所做出來的民調仍然是這樣我覺得行政院還是要去參考好不好?我們沒有污名化國會改革我也支持國會改革但重要的是它可以建設自己 |
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主席 |