| IVOD_ID |
154072 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154072 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第18次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第18次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-18T10:30:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-18T11:02:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:31:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/237480b52e5f529a6387c88ca2710c2384a337f76c37b5ea5a2d5eaba877ceb8447e5504a5f230c75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:30:45 - 11:02:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第18次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。
二、6月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
三、6月18日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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王委員世堅：（10時31分）謝謝主席，請行政院卓院長。 |
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主席：請卓院長備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰：王委員好。 |
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王委員世堅：卓院長早安。卓院長，你在施政報告的時候提到，你的施政希望能夠達成朝野和解共生、兩岸和平共存，與民族夥伴們能夠合作共贏。這個目標、方向都非常正確、非常的大氣，所以在質詢一開始，我先送你一個小禮物，我認為這三點方向、目標，你應該盡全力去達成、去實現，要說到做到。 |
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卓院長榮泰：是的。 |
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王委員世堅：海納百川，在我們國內朝野和解共生，跟對岸我們和平共榮，跟所有民族夥伴我們合作共贏，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝，一定努力。非常感謝委員的鼓勵，這就是我們共同努力的目標跟方向，我們一定朝這個方向做最大的努力，也希望大家一起合作。 |
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王委員世堅：好，院長，再來我就針對當前我們國家最重要的幾大項目，我認為這是當務之急，我列了十大項目，我希望來就教於你，第一點，內閣從國發會主委劉鏡清，到經濟部長郭智輝，甚至到差點組閣的民間讀書會這位童先生，他們幾乎成為核電自走砲，他們，尤其是郭部長，上任前、上任後一再提倡乾淨的核，其實我們民主社會，大家有不同的看法、不同的聲音，他有不同方向思考，這都是正確的，但是他不能說了乾淨的核以後，講了一大堆以後，拍拍屁股說這是他個人的立場、個人的意見。院長，你要交代部長、交代內閣…… |
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卓院長榮泰：郭部長講的是乾淨的能源。 |
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王委員世堅：對，他講的就是乾淨的核電，就是這個意思嘛！ |
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卓院長榮泰：能源、能源。 |
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王委員世堅：我認為不同的方向思考可以，但是絕對不能說這是他個人的立場，進到內閣就沒有閣員的個人立場，閣員所有發表的政策說明、談話都是內閣的立場、政府的立場，所以能不能約束他不要再做核能的自走砲了？我要問院長的是，當我們臺灣面對這麼好的機會，AI大爆發，黃仁勳先生也到臺灣幫我們組了AI國家隊，所以此時此刻我們很明顯的面對未來這幾年，很快的可能我們用電量要大幅增加，目前我們電絕對是夠的，但是未來是不是夠？所以我想問卓院長，你們內閣的策略地圖是什麼？我們面對AI的大爆發，我們國家的需要如果有必要把核三廠延役的話，是不是應該經過社會討論，而不再是寡頭政治來決定？應該透過社會討論。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我分三點簡短跟委員報告：第一個，我們邀請部會首長到內閣裡面來，就是希望他用產業、企業的管理效率來管理政府，這一點我們還是繼續借用他們的長才。第二點，對於核能的問題，我們現在很清楚且一致認為，必須對於核廢可以處理、核安得到保證、社會有共識，才值得往下談任何的事情，我想部長也是非常清楚這個問題。 |
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王委員世堅：先前他們在談的，我舉個例，不是郭部長說的啦！是另外這一位先生說的，他說要引進芬蘭OL3的核電廠，把它講的跟神蹟一樣，他竟然說：那我們把核四廠剷平，上面就放OL3芬蘭的核電廠。卓主席、卓院長，如果民間朋友們聽到，會覺得這是荒唐無稽也沒有知識的言論，核四廠就位處於地震斷層，把核四廠挖掉，上面再另外加一個OL3任何的核電廠，都是錯誤的！他連一個最基本的理解都沒有，所以我希望我們的內閣不要再成為自走砲了，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我希望我們能夠站在國家的需要和臺灣的條件底下，對於新的知識，我們開放…… |
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王委員世堅：要經過充分的社會開放。 |
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卓院長榮泰：開放來接受新的知識。 |
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王委員世堅：部長，你請回。我現在要談的、要經過社會討論的，比方說勞動部長，他上任第一天就講，未來四年勞保就是每年撥補。院長，由國家來撥補勞保本來就是正確的，國家要付最終的責任，這是應當。但是你如果一開頭就只講，未來四年就是撥補，那我們勞保的改革怎麼辦？我們有千萬個勞保戶，大家引頸企盼勞保能夠做一個適度的改革，能夠讓勞保永續，讓大家都領得到，所以我認為不應該再這樣子，如果只撥補而不談下去做改革的話，我認為這兩個字送你──「鴕鳥」，是不是？部長，你既然上來了，「鴕鳥」這兩個字你要想清楚，要社會討論。至於勞保怎麼改革？比方說要多繳少領，我覺得這絕對不可行，而政府撥補，這當然。未來只有兩條路，一條就是延後退休，但是這個要經過社會討論，因為現在已經延到65歲，後續還能夠延幾年？最重要的、我個人的建議是，我們應該趕快、加緊課徵富人稅，加緊課徵富人稅才能夠達到社會的公平性，把課徵富人稅的收入挹注到勞保，如果要勞保的朋友們未來多繳少領，我覺得這基本上都是不公平的，社會也不會接受，所以對於勞保要延長、延退，是不是要趕快開啟社會討論，廣納社會大眾對勞保改革的意見？院長，這能不能做到？ |
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卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，何部長對於勞保基金水位的高低，一直嚴密地在瞭解跟掌控中，他也認為撥補應該只是很多改革當中政府必須扮演的一個角色，所以政府會做到這一點，保證…… |
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王委員世堅：撥補本來就該做的啦！ |
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卓院長榮泰：對，是很多改革當中的一環，會扮演這個角色。 |
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王委員世堅：但部長你這麼說，等於大家都放棄所有對勞保改革的想像跟期待嘛！ |
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卓院長榮泰：沒有，沒有，這是其中一環而已。 |
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王委員世堅：如果只要撥補的話，不需要你來當部長，不是嗎？AI就可以了，不是嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：讓部長說明一下好嗎？ |
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何部長佩珊：委員，容許讓我說明。撥補只是改革方案之一，因為我們進行了這四年撥補的改革，在過去蔡政府執政四年來，我們的水位已經到達創新高的地步，目前6月份的水位已經要破兆了，所以現在勞保水位是非常安全的。委員，您剛才講到多繳少領不可行，對不對？可是現在社會上所有的討論都是這種改革，這個我們不能同意，我是要強調這一點，所以您不要誤會，我不是講只有撥補這個改革。 |
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王委員世堅：我請你把話說齊全啦！你剛剛這個說明有說跟沒說一樣！好，謝謝你，我時間有限，你請回。 |
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院長，現在房價高漲到這個地步，我認為始作俑者，就是我們對銀行、金控公司授信、放款的管理，以及利率的調整其實是不對的，長年以來，我們的銀行體系習慣性地把大筆資金用極低廉的利息借給一些不肖建商，讓這些建商藉由低利率吸取龐大的社會資金，然後去養地、買地、圈地，所以我們的後輩們、年輕朋友們，他們的薪資所得永遠追不上房價。我認為來自於社會大眾的銀行資金，應該要善加管理，對於房貸族、一般升斗小民、青年朋友們買房的利率應該壓低，補貼他們，這都是正確的，但對於建商，尤其是不肖建商，要嚴格控管他們的授信、放款，在這個部分，莊部長，你在任命了九大公營行庫的董事長、總經理後，其實我看你都在專心管國產、管稅收，管你的十字架！這是好喔！但是我覺得你對銀行利率的控管、對九大公營行庫的管理嚴重不足，這我就不跟你多提了。 |
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金管會主委，你新上任，我知道你學富五車，但你的專業在保險，每次我跟你談到銀行利率控管的時候，我覺得你們的意思大概就是共推到後面的中央銀行。 |
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卓院長，我認為在對銀行利率這一部分，中央銀行確實有盡到他們的職責，我們這位總裁確實有他金融的專業，最近這一波、第六波對房市融資的控管，他確實有盡了努力，但我覺得除了利率的調高以外，還要記住對於一般購屋的受薪階級、青年朋友們，要壓低利率補貼他們，但是對於惡劣的建商，尤其我現在要提到的，在融資、授信部分，銀行本來有一套ESG風險管理…… |
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卓院長榮泰：是的。 |
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王委員世堅：這一家公司的ESG怎麼樣、對環境的影響、公司治理等等，但ESG有風險的，通通是貸款最高的這幾家建商，比方說在臺北大大有名、全國有名的興富發、基泰，興富發一年到頭在臺灣由南到北的工地都有它的工安事故，都造成嚴重的傷亡，結果它的貸款在十大惡劣建商裡面是第一名，十大惡劣建商就是我現在表列的這一張，這十大惡劣建商，它們的融資、它們的負債已經高達九成，結果我們三十八家銀行，尤其我覺得最無法接受的，就是我們九大公營行庫借給這十大惡劣建商，低利息借它，利率不到2%，都高達千億以上！院長，針對這個部分，我希望你能夠管一管，你就責成新任金管會主委，讓他趕快進入狀況、趕快管理。部長，我希望你在任命九大公營行庫董事長、總經理的時候，能夠更謹慎，而且既然任命了，事後要對他們做追蹤管理，可不可以？ |
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既然你們上來了，我同時再提另外一個危害我們臺灣目前社會的就是這些惡質的租賃公司，從中租迪和、和潤到裕融，這三家租賃公司已經占了整個租賃市場超過90%，這三家公司的惡劣，我姑且稱這三家叫做「薯條三兄弟」啦！薯條三兄弟左手從我們的銀行借了5,000億，低利率，只有1.7%，右手貸放給需要的社會大眾，高利貸18%，然後我們銀行眼睜睜地看著薯條三兄弟未來的還款來源是來自於吸收升斗小民的血汗錢，吸收高利貸做它們的還款來源，天啊！我們竟然坐視這樣的罪惡在發生。然後薯條三兄弟他們還要年輕人的父母親作保，還要討債公司下去追討，最壞的情況，青年朋友們借了錢，他的工作餘命還有30年，千刀萬里追來對待我們的未來新世代，這是何等的錯誤跟荒唐！所以院長，我希望你責成金管會主委、財政部長不要再助紂為虐，而且我們應該令行政院趕快送來融資租賃公司管理法的版本，我們立這一部法，然後把對於薯條三兄弟跟這些融資租賃公司的管理收回由金管會來管，院長，我這麼說你同不同意？ |
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卓院長榮泰：任何的公司、機構都應該依法來執行它的業務，關於委員所說的這個部分，應該受到公司法跟其它法規的規範，但是要立一個專法，這是委員的期待啦！另外就是我們對消費者的保護要加強，不要讓消費者誤信不實的廣告或是不實的合約，我們不希望因此造成重大的社會問題，所以這兩個單位都應該要強力的去瞭解內容並加強管理。 |
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王委員世堅：對消費者的保護來不及了，你說到公司法的管理，現在金管會跟財政部就是一推六二五，就是推給公司法。院長，你知道嗎？如果對薯條三兄弟只用公司法來管理，其實是經濟部管，我們全國有一百四十萬家公司，經濟部用公司法管一百四十萬家，薯條三兄弟只占一百四十萬分之三，你認為這樣的管轄夠嗎？我認為嚴重不足，所以我希望專業的就歸專業管，該金融的就歸金管會，有一部分事務由放款端來處理，九大公營行庫它放最多，九大公營行庫這十年來借了5,000億給這薯條三兄弟，助紂為虐。好了，各位部長請回，我時間有限。 |
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主席抱歉！我休息3秒鐘，喝一下水。 |
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院長，投資教育就是投資未來，臺北科技大學跟中華民國同年，我們臺北可以不缺一棟商場、一棟百貨公司，不缺高級辦公大樓、不缺觀光飯店，但是我們需要一所百年樹人的好大學，就像是國立臺北科技大學，他們這六十年來所受到的委屈，本來是13公頃的校地，臺北工專時代有4,000位學生，現在已經進步發展到1萬3,000位學生，但是擠在9公頃的校地，為什麼消失4公頃？因為它配合臺北市這幾十年來的發展，開闢了新生南路、市民大道、建國南路、忠孝東路等等，所以1萬3,000位優秀的北科大師生就擠在9公頃的校地裡面。三年前，蔡總統已經交代辦理建國啤酒廠的土地，建國啤酒廠要升格改為商業區，回饋出來的四成土地就交由國立臺北科技大學無償使用，這個案子先前已經進行得如火如荼，但因為新內閣上任突然戛然而止，我希望卓院長能夠交代內政部跟教育部針對北科大現在的校地需求，趕快進一步把這個斷點接上，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：據我所知道，行政院跟臺北市政府為了這件事情曾經有過多次協商，行政院也做了一些核定，這個核定的精神會往一個比較開發性，而且滿足學校的條件來走，但是我們還要詳細瞭解這個內容，教育部長應該瞭解這個情形，或者是現在啤酒廠的用地單位是台酒，財政部也應該有它的說明。 |
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王委員世堅：財政部，台酒還是一樣抗拒嗎？ |
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莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，在建國啤酒廠裡面，第一個，它有所謂的歷史建築、古蹟，這部分是一定要保存跟維護的。另外，其他土地的運用，目前來說，行政院跟臺北市政府還有北科大都有協商，目前已經在辦理有關都市計畫變更的一個程序。對於北科大教育所需要的…… |
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王委員世堅：對歷史建物的維護，北科大是專業，它有土木工程系、有建築系、有材料工程系、有設計系，他們對於歷史建物的維護、修復是專業啊！ |
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莊部長翠雲：是。 |
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王委員世堅：他們自己是113年的學校，裡面的歷史建物一堆，他們維護得很好，我要再次請院長告訴台酒，也就是現在的主事者，當你升格為商業地，必須捐回四成土地給政府，捐回四成是義務，就像繳稅一樣，哪有繳了稅還指定稅金的用途？台酒沒有資格指定這四成的用途，說要推廣啤酒文化、幫台酒另外六成的商業開發助威，沒有那回事！好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：請工程會說明。 |
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陳主任委員金德：報告委員，這個都市計畫目前已經進入由中央逕為申請都市計畫變更的階段，上次內政部都市計畫委員會開會的時候有作成一個決議，就是另成立專案小組就相關問題釐清之後再予審議。那是什麼問題呢？就是文資法裡面的規定，凡是都市計畫有變更涉及到文資建築，必須要文資的主管機關，也就是臺北市政府文化局表示意見。 |
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王委員世堅：我謝謝你的回答，因為這些答復我都知道了。院長，我最後提醒大家，不要被假的文資人士、假的文資團體所欺騙，學校才是保存歷史建物最好、最有資格、最有公信力的單位，就把這個校地無償撥用給學校來使用，投資教育就是投資未來，各位請回。 |
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同時我要跟大家說，也就是說波波牙醫的問題啦！對於我們未來的世代，我們要維護公平的教育權，現在有這些波波牙醫海歸回來，占據了我們牙醫的名額，我認為歸國的牙醫OK，名額應該要限制在實習名額的十分之一，不應該再讓它擴大，那麼受教權、教育權是我們國家之所以穩定進步的原因，受好的教育，才讓年輕的一代能夠藉由支持教育，創造自己的人生，改變他們家庭的命運，所以我們一定要保持公平的教育權，尤其現在海歸的訓練，國外牙醫的訓練沒有像我們國內這麼嚴謹，所以海歸如果貿然直接讓他實習，升格為牙醫的話，對我們牙醫的醫療品質會是很大的傷害，所以院長，我希望你聽進去，這個部分能夠落實好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：好的，委員。剛剛北科大的問題，跟委員報告，我們一定儘速讓流程走下去、走完，讓它產生最後的結果出來，往這個方向去走。 |
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那波波牙醫這件事情…… |
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王委員世堅：部長，謝謝你啦！我時間有限，因為我再來要提社子島開發。 |
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卓院長榮泰：好。 |
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王委員世堅：院長，社子島，我相信你們去過都曉得，社子島受了75年的委屈，如果你晚上8點之後到社子島一看，像個鬼島一樣，不但燈光昏暗，連個基本的衛生下水道都沒有，部長你也在，社子島你知道，不要說醫院，連個診所都沒有，這樣非人的生活，我認為應該立刻開發社子島。現在坊間有一個聲音說政府開發社子島是圖利社子島民…… |
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卓院長榮泰：絕對不是、絕對不是。 |
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王委員世堅：院長，政府這70年來開發了上千條、上萬條的道路，開發了上萬個社區，圖利了幾百萬的臺灣人民，這都對的，為什麼過去開發圖利全臺灣幾百萬人民都可以，現在來開發社子島、圖利社子島居民就不可以？很奇怪！社子島幫臺北市擋了70年的洪水，70年來它被當作洩洪區、滯洪區，它吸收了這些洪水，讓臺北市發展，現在輪也應該輪到社子島了吧！對不對？ |
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卓院長榮泰：跟委員一樣的想法，社子島長年是臺北市易淹水的地區，二十多年前裝置了非常多抽水站，才把它的淹水狀況稍微紓解，現在應該是我們回頭去回饋、照顧社子島居民的時刻了，所以整體的開發應該是要儘速的協調去完成。 |
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王委員世堅：現在這個生態社子島開發是低密度，它不但能夠還社子島民眾一個公道，同時也能夠開發周遭的社子地區、後港地區、葫蘆島地區，這些同時都可以得到相對應民間集中資源來開發，所以這是正面的，我希望我們能夠正面來看待，現在就應該是還社子島公道的時刻，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：也希望臺北市政府能夠加速跟居民來做協調，把所有的條件談清楚。 |
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王委員世堅：臺北市政府，別的不敢講啦！對社子島的開發，歷任市長他們真的很用心啦…… |
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卓院長榮泰：好。 |
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王委員世堅：案子已經送來了，我希望內政部劉部長，你們能夠謹慎地處理，趕快做一個時間表出來，趕快回應社子島的需求，好不好？ |
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劉部長世芳：好，現在我們的…… |
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王委員世堅：因為時間有限。院長，我簡單的把臺鐵、高鐵比一比，臺鐵全線1,065公里，高鐵只有348公里。但是光是落石警告系統，臺鐵只有26處，人家高鐵高達84處，它只有350公里不到，竟然三倍的落石警告系統，而且光是災難防救這樣子的規劃，它們一年辦了98場，臺鐵只辦11場，所以難怪臺鐵一年事故傷亡人數32位，高鐵零事故、零傷亡，其他的營運更不用講；臺鐵營收只有334億，高鐵竟然高達將近500億，有498億；員工人數更扯！臺鐵1萬5,900人，高鐵只需要4,700人，這樣的營收差距，難怪臺鐵一直賠錢，42年來，臺鐵已經負債4,000億。這兩年臺鐵已經公司化了，大家都以為臺鐵的問題就迎刃而解、解決了，錯！公司化只是他們進步改革的第一步而已，所以院長，這改革進步的開始，我希望你能夠督促它趕快完成，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝，公司化就是希望它從人事的負擔、財務的規劃、安全的提升以及整個服務的品質，能夠做全面的規劃，我們希望臺鐵能夠盡到這個責任。 |
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王委員世堅：好。有關身心障礙者，我希望我們能夠落實聯合國要求的障礙者權利公約裡面的自立生活，也就是說，現在身心障礙者受教的部分是跟教育部相關，他們使用到的交通工具是跟交通部相關，他們要去就業是跟勞動部相關，他們的長照是衛福部來管理，我覺得分散這麼多，對障礙者本身就是一種凌虐，我希望行政院能夠下令成立統一窗口，來服務所有的身障者，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：對於所有的弱勢團體跟需要照顧的人，我們都會加強。 |
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王委員世堅：統一窗口，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們有…… |
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王委員世堅：部長，統一窗口，好不好？ |
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邱部長泰源：沒問題，我們一定落實身心障礙的公約…… |
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主席：時間到。 |
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邱部長泰源：第二個，我們協調各縣市在社區就生活教育、就學各方面都能夠順暢；第三個，在未來5年會投資480億來…… |
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王委員世堅：針對長照、就業、就學、交通，行政院來設統一窗口，不要讓身障者疲於奔命，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：好的，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝王委員，也謝謝卓院長。 |
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報告院會，現在在議場2樓旁聽的是成功高中的同學，我們在此表達對他們的歡迎。 |
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下一位邀請李彥秀委員質詢。 |
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韓國瑜 |
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江啟臣 |
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廖偉翔 |
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林楚茵 |
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陳超明 |
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王世堅 |
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李彥秀 |
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陳雪生 |
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蔡易餘 |
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林岱樺 |
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林沛祥 |
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牛煦庭 |
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何欣純 |
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陳玉珍 |
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陳菁徽 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期第18次會議紀錄 |
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施政質詢
對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─ |
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謝謝主席我請行政院卓院長來請卓院長備詢 |
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主委長早安主委長你在施政報告的時候提到你的施政希望能夠達成朝野和解共生兩岸和平共存與民主夥伴們能夠合作共贏 |
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那這個目標方向都非常正確非常的大氣所以我在質詢一開始我先送你一個小禮物那我認為這三點方向目標你應該盡全力去達成去實現要說到做到是的 |
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海納百川海納百川在我們國內朝野和解共生跟對岸我們和平共榮跟所有民主的合辦 |
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非常感謝委員的鼓勵這就是我們共同努力的目標跟方向我們一定朝這個方向做最大的努力那也希望大家一起合作是好 |
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那院長再來我就針對當前啊我們國家最重要的幾大項目我認為這是當務之急我列了十大項目那我希望來就教於你就是說第一點內閣從國發會主委劉靜清到經濟部長郭志輝 |
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甚至到差點阻隔的民間讀書會這位童先生他們幾乎成為核電自走炮他們尤其是國部長上任前上任後一再的提倡乾淨的核 |
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其實我們民主社會大家不同的看法不同的聲音他有不同方向思考這都正確的但是他不能說了乾淨的以後講了一大堆以後拍拍屁股說這是他個人的立場個人的意見院長你要交代部長講的是乾淨的能源 |
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他講的就是乾淨的核電嗎?就是這個意思嗎?那我認為我認為不同的方向思考可以但是絕對不能說這是他個人的立場進到內閣就沒有個人的個人立場個人所有發表的政策說明談話都是內閣的立場政府的立場所以能不能約束他不要再做核能 |
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自走炮啦那我要問院長的就是說所以當我們臺灣面對這麼好的機會AI大爆發黃仁勛先生也到我們臺灣幫我們組了AI國家隊所以此時此刻我們很明顯的面對未來這幾年 |
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很快的可能我們用電量要大幅增加目前我們電絕對是夠但是未來是不是夠所以我想問左院長就是說你們內閣你們的策略地圖是什麼策略地圖是什麼如果我們面對AI的大爆發我們國家的需要 |
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如果有必要要把河山廠研議的話是不是應該經過社會討論而不再是寡頭政治來決定應該透過社會討論我分三點簡短跟委員報告第一個我們邀請部會首長到內閣裡面來我們希望他把產業企業的管理的效率來管理政府那這一點我們還是繼續借用他們的長財 |
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第二點對於核能的問題我們現在很清楚的一致的認為是我們必須對於這個核廢可以處理、核安得到保證、社會有共識才值得往下談任何的事情。我想部長也是非常清楚這個問題。 |
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先前他們在談的我幾個例不是郭部長說的啦另外這位先生說的他說要引進芬蘭OL3的核電廠把他講的跟神機一樣啦他竟然說啊說啊那我們把核市場產品上面就放OL3芬蘭的核電廠欸 卓主席 卓院長 |
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如果這在民間朋友們聽到覺得這是荒唐無稽也沒有知識核市場就位處於地震斷層把核市場挖掉上面再另外加一個任何OL3任何的核電廠都是錯誤的他連一個最基本的理解都沒有所以我希望我們的內閣不要再成為自走胖 |
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好不好我希望我們能夠站在國家需要跟台灣的條件底下要經過我們對於新的知識我們開放來要經過充分的社會討論開放來接受新的知識那個部長你請問比方說我現在要談的要經過社會討論的就是比方說勞動部長他上任第一天他就講啊他說未來四年啊這個勞保我們就是每年撥補 |
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我們以警氣判能夠做一個勞保一個適度的改革能夠讓勞保永續讓大家都領得到 |
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所以我認為不應該再這樣子如果只撥補而不談下去做改革的話我認為這兩個字送你鴕鳥是不是部長你既然上來鴕鳥兩個字你想清楚社會討論 |
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那至於勞保怎麼改革比方說要多繳少領我覺得這絕對不可行那政府撥補這當然那未來只有兩條路一條就是說延後退休但是這個要經過社會討論因為現在已經延到65歲後續還能夠延幾年最重要的我個人的建議 |
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我認為我們應該趕快加緊課徵富人稅。加緊課徵富人稅。加緊課徵富人稅才能夠達到社會的公平性。把課徵富人稅的收入預注到勞保。如果要勞保的朋友們未來多繳少領。我覺得這基本上都是不公平的。社會也不會接受的。所以對於 |
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要勞保延長、延退是不是要趕快開啟社會討論廣納社會大眾對勞保改革他們的意見所以院長這能不能做到跟委員報告何部長對於勞保基金水位的高低一直嚴密的在了解跟掌控中那他也認為說撥補應該只是一個很多改革當中政府必須扮演的角色所以政府會做到這一點 |
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請部長說明一下嗎委員 呃 容許讓我說明一下喔 |
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波普只是改革方案之一可是我們現在因為我們進行的這4年的波普的改革在過去蔡政府執政4年來那我們的水位現在已經到達創新高的地步目前6月份的水位已經要破罩了現在的勞保水位是非常安全的 |
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那委員我您剛才講到少領多角少領不可行對不對可是現在社會上所有的討論都是要這種改革這個是我們不能同意的我是要強調這一點所以您不要誤會我不是講請你把話說清楚你剛剛這個說明有說跟沒說一樣好謝謝你我時間有限你請回還有院長 |
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我們這個現在房價高漲到這個地步我認為始作俑者跟我們對銀行、金融公司他們授信、放款的管理跟對利率這個調整其實是不對的 |
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我們長年以來我們的銀行體系他們習慣性的把大筆資金用極低廉的利息借給一些不孝的建商讓這些建商藉由低利率吸取那麼龐大的社會資金他們去養地買地圈地所以 |
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我們的後輩們年輕朋友們他們永遠心之所得永遠追不上房價我認為來自於社會大眾的銀行資金們應該要善加管理我們應該對於房貸族一般深斗小民青年朋友們 |
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在這一個部分,其實這個莊部長 |
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你在任命了九大公營行庫的董事長總經理之後其實啊我看你都在專心管國產管稅收啦管你的實質價啦這是好喔但是我覺得你對銀行利率的擴廣對九大公營行庫他們的管理我覺得嚴重不足所以我就不跟你多提啦那金管會主委 |
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你新上任我知道你學富5G但你的專業債保險每次我跟你談到這個銀行利率控管的時候我覺得你們大概的意思就是說都共推到後面的中央銀行那左院長我是認為在對銀行的利率 |
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這一部分,莊營郎確實有盡到他們的職責啦。我們這位總裁確實有他金融的專業。最近這一波第六波的對房市這個融資的控管,他確實有盡了努力。但我覺得除了 |
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對於利率的調高以外要記住對於一般我們購屋的壽星階級青年朋友們要壓低利率補貼他們但是對於惡劣的建商尤其我現在提到我們在這個融資壽星銀行本來有一套ESG風險管理對這一家建築這家公司他們的ESG怎麼樣他們對環境影響對公司治理 |
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ESG有風險的通通是貸款最高的這幾家建商。比方說在台北大大有名的全國有名的新復發啦、基泰啦。欸!新復發一年到頭從我們台灣由南到北的工地都有它的公安事故,都造成嚴重的傷亡。 |
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結果他的代管他在十大惡劣建商裡面他是第一名十大惡劣建商我現在表列的這一張這十大惡劣建商他們的融資他們的負債已經高達九成結果我們 |
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三十八家銀行尤其我最覺得無法接受的就是我們九大公銀行庫借這十大二列建商低利息借他不到兩趴吼都高達千億以上 |
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所以院長我希望這個部分你能夠管一管你就責成我們的新任經管會主委讓他趕快進入管理那部長我希望你在任命九大公營行戶董事長總經理的時候能夠更謹慎而且既然任命了事後要對他們做追蹤管理可不可以 |
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好既然你們上來了我同時再提另外一個危害我們台灣目前社會的就是這些二值的租賃公司院長從這個中租抵合到合論到育融這三家租賃公司已經佔了整個租賃市場超過90% |
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這三家公司的二列我姑且稱這三家叫做數條三兄弟啦數條三兄弟左手從我們的銀行借了五千億低利率喔1.7%右手帶放給我們需要的社會大眾高利貸18% |
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1014.696 |
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然後我們銀行眼睜睜的看著數條山兄弟未來的還款來源來自於吸收我們生斗小民的血案錢吸收高利貸做他們還款來源天啊我們竟然做事這樣的罪惡在發生然後數條山兄弟他們還要年輕人父母親做寶還要 |
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討債公司下去追討最壞的情況青年朋友們借了他工作餘命還有30年千刀萬里追對待我們的未來新世代這是何等的錯誤跟荒唐所以院長我希望你責成軍管會主委財政部長 |
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不要再助纣為虐而且我們應該趕快立行政會趕快送來這個版本就是說融資租賃公司管理法我們立這一部法然後把對於鼠條山兄弟跟這些融資租賃公司的管理收回由經管會來管院長我這麼說你同不同意 |
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任何的公司、機構都應該依法來執行它的業務。所以在你說的這個委員說的這個部分應該受到公司法跟其他的法規有規範但是立一個專法這是委員的期待另外就是我們對消費者的保護要加強 |
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不要讓消費者誤信到不實的那個廣告或是不實的這個合約裡面去。我們不希望因此造成重大的社會問題。所以這兩個單位都應該要強力的去了解內容跟加強管理。對消費者的保護齁,不會負障啦。然後你說公司法管理,現在的金管會跟財政部就是一推四五六,就是推給說這個公司法。 |
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院長你知道嗎?如果對薯條三兄弟只用公司法來管理是經濟部管我們全國有140萬家公司經濟部用公司法管140萬家薯條三兄弟只在140萬分之三你認為這樣的管轄夠嗎?我認為嚴重不足所以我希望專業的就歸專業管 |
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該金融的就歸金管會那麼有一部分事務由放款端九大公營行戶他放最多九大公營行戶這十年來借了五千億給這數條三兄弟助紂為虐好啦各位部長請回來我時間有限那個主席抱歉我休息三秒鐘喝一下水 |
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要多3秒嗎?我多喝了3秒算進去沒關係。投資教育就是投資未來。臺北科技大學跟中華民國同年,我們臺北我們可以不缺 |
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1223.678 |
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一棟商場一棟百貨公司不缺高級辦公大樓不缺觀光飯店但是我們需要一所百年樹人的好大學就像是國立臺北科技大學他們受到的委屈這60年來他們本來13公頃的校地臺北工專時代4000位學生 |
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他們現在已經進步發展到一萬三千位學生但是擠在9公頃的校地為什麼消失了4公頃因為他配合了臺北市這幾十年來的發展開闢了新生南路市民大道建國南路宗教登錄等等 |
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所以一萬三千位優秀的北科大的師生就擠在那九公頃的校地裡面這三年前蔡總統已經有交代辦理要把建國啤酒廠的土地建國啤酒廠要升格改為商業區回饋出來的四層土地就交由國立台北科技大學無償來使用但是這個案子先前進 |
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已經進行得如我如圖,那因為新內閣上任,突然嘎然而止,我希望卓院長你能夠交代內政部跟教育部,他們針對北科大現在校地的需求,能夠趕快進一步把這個段點接上,好不好? |
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所以我知道行政院跟台北市政府這件事情曾經有過多次的協商那行政院也做了一些核定那這個核定的精神是會往一個比較開發性而且滿足學校的條件來走但是我們還要詳細了解這個內容教育部長應該了解這個情形或者是現在這個啤酒廠那個用地單位是台酒在財政部也應該有他的說明 |
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那個財政部台酒還是一樣抗拒嗎?跟委員報告,我想建國啤酒廠裡面第一個它有所謂的歷史建築古蹟那這個部分是一定要保存跟維護的那另外其他的土地的運用呢目前來說也都有行政院以及跟台北市政府還有北科大都有協商那目前已經在辦理有關都市計畫變更的一個程序 |
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1346.124 |
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那對於北科大教育所需要的事,對,這個比較重要。 |
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1369.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1387.664 |
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請你告訴台九現在的主事者當你升格為商業地你必須捐回市城土地給政府這個捐回的市城是義務就像繳稅一樣哪有說繳了稅還指定稅金的用途 |
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1389.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
請工程會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
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1428.176 |
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這個都市計劃目前已經進入到由中央進委申請都市計劃變更的階段。那麼在上次的內政部都市計劃委員會開會的時候,他做成一個決議,就是會令成立專案小組就相關問題來釐清之後再於審議。那什麼問題呢?就是文資法裡面的規定,就是凡是都市計劃有變更, |
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我謝謝你的回答因為這些大夫我都知道了我最後院長我提醒大家不要被假的文資人士假的文資團體所欺騙 |
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1448.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1465.04 |
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學校才是保存歷史建物最好、最有資格、最有公信力的單位。就把這個校地無償撥用給學校來使用。投資教育就是投資未來。各位請回。同時我要跟大家說,同時也就是說撥撥牙醫的問題啦。 |
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1496.685 |
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我們對於我們未來的世代我們要維護公平的教育權現在有這些波波牙醫就海歸回來那就佔據了我們牙醫的名額我認為應該歸國的牙醫OK我們名額限制在要實習名額的十分之一不應該再讓它擴大那麼受教權教育權是我們國家之所以穩定進步的原因 |
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1512.888 |
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受好的教育才讓年輕的一代他能夠藉由支持教育創造自己的人生改變他們家庭的命運所以我們一定要保持這個公平的教育權 |
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1517.973 |
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所以院長我希望你聽進去這個部分能夠落實好不好? |
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1536.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1563.837 |
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好的委員剛剛那個北科大的問題我們跟委員報告我們一定盡速讓流程走下去走完讓他產生一個最後的結果出來往這個方向去走那波波牙醫這件事情那個部長謝謝你啦我時間有限因為我再來要提社子島開發那個院長社子島我相信你們去過都曉得社子島受了75年的委屈如果你晚上8點之後到社子島一看像個鬼島一樣 |
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1565.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1587.841 |
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喔!這個不但燈光灰暗,他連一個基本的衛生下水道都沒有。部長你也在,社址島你知道,不要說醫院,連一個診所都沒有。這樣非人的生活,我認為應該立刻開發社址島。現在坊間有一個聲音說政府開發社址島是圖利社址島民。 |
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1589.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1592.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
政府開發這70年來開發了上千條上萬條的道路開發了上萬個社區圖立了幾百萬的臺灣人民這都對的為什麼過去開發 |
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| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1604.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
韓國瑜 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1622.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1625.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
現在是應該我們回頭去回饋照顧社址島居民的時刻了所以整體的開發應該是 |
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1650.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1678.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
現在這個生態設置島開發是低密度,它不但能夠還設置島民眾一個公道,同時也能夠開發周遭的設置地區,這個後港地區,葫蘆島地區,這些同時都可以得到相對於民間來集中資源來開發,所以這是正面的,我希望我們能夠正面來看待, |
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| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1704.481 |
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現在就應該是還社址島公道的一個時刻。也希望臺北市政府能夠加速跟居民來做協調。臺北市政府賠的不敢講啊。對社址島的開發他們真的很用心啊。利潤市長已經按之送來的。我希望內政部這個劉部長你們能夠謹慎的處理趕快做一個time table時間表出來趕快回應社址島的需求好不好。 |
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1705.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1729.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
因為時間有限,我簡單的把台鐵高鐵比一比。那麼台鐵全線1065公里,高鐵只有348公里。但是光是落實警告系統,台鐵只有26處,人家高鐵高達84處,它只有350公里不到。 |
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1730.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1755.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
他竟然三倍的落實警告系統而且他光是災難防救這樣子的規劃他們一年辦了98場臺鐵只辦11場所以難怪啊臺鐵一年事故傷亡人數32位耶高鐵零事故零傷亡那其他的營運更不用講營收臺鐵只有334億 |
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1758.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1758.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
公司化﹖ |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1786.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1812.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
只是他們進步改革的第一步而已。所以院長我這改革進步的開始我希望你能夠督促他趕快完成好不好。謝謝公式化就是希望他從人事的負擔財務的規劃安全的提升以及整個服務的品質能夠做全面的規劃。我們希望台鐵能夠盡到這個責任。身心障礙者我希望我們能夠落實聯合國要求的這個障礙者 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1815.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1817.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
我希望我們行政院能夠下令成立統一窗口 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
1843.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1843.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
時間到 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1871.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1871.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
好,謝謝。 |