| IVOD_ID |
153934 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153934 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-1-36,15-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
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15 |
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司法及法制委員會 |
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內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-13T10:11:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-13T10:19:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:11:53 - 10:19:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查
（一）委員蘇清泉等27人擬具「警察人員人事條例修正第三十五條條文及增訂附表三草案」案。
（二）委員萬美玲等19人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員謝龍介等19人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員王鴻薇等29人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員丁學忠等17人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（六）委員顏寬恒等20人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（七）委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「警察人員人事條例部分條文修正草案」案。
（八）委員林思銘等23人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（九）委員伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe等16人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
（十）委員王鴻薇等18人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（十一）委員游顥等38人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（十二）委員張智倫等17人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
【第（六）至（十）案如經院會復議，則不予審查；第（十一）及（十二）案各黨團若未提出不復議同意書，則不予審查】） |
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王委員美惠：（10時12分）主席，請銓敘部政次、警政署署長及消防署署長。 |
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主席：麻煩次長、警政署署長、消防署署長。 |
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張次長秋元：委員好。 |
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王委員美惠：銓敘部政次，本席在這裡先跟你探討一個問題，公務人員、警消跟軍人在這裡面為什麼會有這樣的差別？軍人的上限是95%，公務人員是70%，結果到118年的時候，改為62.5%，在這個過程當中，你們是怎麼去論定的？你認為95%、70%有道理嗎？為什麼會這樣訂定？因為外面說得風風雨雨，以軍人、消防人員跟警察人員來比較，說實在的，我心情很難過，大家都知道軍人有服役年限，不過警察跟消防人員也有付出跟安全的問題，所以本席在這裡要跟你探討的是，當時是怎樣去論定的，是不是請你講清楚好不好？ |
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張次長秋元：好，謝謝委員給我這個機會跟大家講清楚，關於軍人的部分，當然當時在進行年金改革的時候就經過大家的討論，因為他們的性質確實跟大家不一樣，他們是整天都要在營區裡面。 |
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王委員美惠：24小時嘛！ |
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張次長秋元：24小時，他不是輪班輪休，也不是正常上下班，他的工作項目跟我們服務的狀況也不一樣，所以那時候就是把它切割開，我剛剛也跟委員報告過，這個部分連基金的部分是分帳去管理，它是獨立的，跟公務員沒有併在一起。至於公務員這個部分，就是所有的公務員都一樣…… |
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王委員美惠：所有的公務員都一樣？ |
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張次長秋元：對，剛剛我有報告，不管你在職的時候是醫師，他的薪水比較高嘛，還是說是警察或一般的公務員，但是他在退休後沒工作的時候，其實他的基本生活是一樣的，所以考量在沒有工作因素的狀況底下，我們就把他一致性的去處理。 |
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王委員美惠：因為不一樣，所以才會分成95%和70%，在這個過程當中…… |
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張次長秋元：因為這兩個……剛剛我也有跟委員報告，剛才委員有問我這兩個有沒有辦法比較…… |
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王委員美惠：我現在要問你，你現在回答我就好了，好不好？ |
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張次長秋元：好。 |
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王委員美惠：看看到底是怎麼樣，把它說清楚是最重要的。 |
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張次長秋元：當初為什麼要做這個處理？就是因為基金已經沒辦法支持大家繼續這樣領，到時候大家都…… |
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王委員美惠：因為退撫基金沒辦法再讓大家這樣領，所以我們才會做這樣的改變，重點在這裡。本席要跟你探討一下，未來我們如果再修改，而且是改成可以領比較多、不是領比較少，我們有辦法支應嗎？這是最重要的。 |
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張次長秋元：一定是沒辦法嘛！一定會再提早，如果大家領越多，就會提早…… |
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王委員美惠：會再提早？提早的意思是說未來公教人員可能領不到退休金？ |
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張次長秋元：我不能這樣說，因為我們政府要負責，但是…… |
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王委員美惠：政府要負責，但你卻說沒辦法支應，這些年輕人當公務人員，這麼辛苦考試進去的，卻還是讓他們這樣冒險，這樣誰要進公家機關服務？ |
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張次長秋元：所以我今天為什麼會提出這麼多理由說希望維持現在的制度，就是這樣可以爭取讓我們的退撫基金有一個好的改善機會。 |
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王委員美惠：好，我最主要就是要來問你，以前的公務員我們有照顧，現在要照顧現有的和要考進來的，你的問題是說我們沒辦法支應，雖然國家要負責，但事實上就是沒錢、沒辦法支應，就像你說的啊！我知道你們的困難在這裡。 |
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兩位署長，我要跟你們講，你們有聽到剛剛政次講的，未來如果這樣修改的話，單位內的年輕人也有可能領不到退休金，所以我覺得大家要討論，一個國家不是詛咒讓別人死的，國家是大家要維護的。現有的警察人員、消防人員非常辛苦，加班費長久以來都不曾增加，最後加班費才從1萬7,000元調整為1萬9,000元，其實我覺得還不夠，現有的公務人員、消防人員、警察人員都非常辛苦，甚至還要冒著生命的危險去打拚，所以我覺得身為大家長的二位，應該要好好去爭取現有公務人員及警消人員的權利，聽得懂吧！ |
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張署長榮興：聽得懂。 |
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王委員美惠：人員也不夠，老實說，他們非常的辛苦，所以你們要好好去處理。 |
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拜託主席再給我1分鐘，我想請問海巡署署長，前天你們記過懲處10個人，但我相信未來還會有很多這樣的狀況，但我們修法時都沒規範快艇進來要怎麼處理，我們只有規範盜砂船該如何處罰及處理，所以本席會和你們一起打拚，有錯誤的地方我們要加強，我們為了中華民國臺灣的國土一定要維持好，以上。 |
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張署長忠龍：謝謝委員的指導。 |
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主席：下一位請羅智強委員發言。 |
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丁學忠 |
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王鴻薇 |
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張宏陸 |
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陳俊宇 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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王美惠 |
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牛煦庭 |
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沈發惠 |
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許宇甄 |
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莊瑞雄 |
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徐欣瑩 |
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張智倫 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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林德福 |
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洪孟楷 |
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楊曜 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議紀錄 |
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併案審查( 一 ) 委員蘇清泉等27 人擬具「警察人員人事條例修正第三十五條條文及增訂附表三草
案」案、(二)委員萬美玲等19人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、(三)委
員謝龍介等19人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、(四)委員王鴻薇等29人
擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員丁學忠等17人擬具「警察人員
人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、(六)委員顏寬恒等20人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十
五條條文修正草案」案、(七)委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等18人擬具「警察人員人事條例部分條文修
正草案」案、( 八) 委員林思銘等23 人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、
(九)委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等16人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條及第三十六條
條文修正草案」案、(十)委員王鴻薇等18人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」
案、(十一)委員游顥等38人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、(十二)委員
張智倫等17人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案 |
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主席,我們現在程序部正式及經濟署的署長及消防署的署長。消防署長。我們程序部正式,本市在這裡先幫你探討一個公務人員及警消及軍人在這裡面 |
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42.928 |
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三草案案案案案案案案 |
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本席跟你說的你是如何去論定的在這裏面我覺得你認為這個95%、70% |
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條文及增訂附表三草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議等27人擬具:「警察人員人事條例修正第三十五條條文及增訂附表三草案．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議等27屆第2會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議等27屆第2會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議等27屆第2會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議等27屆第2會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議等27 |
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二）委員 |
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二）委員 |
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三草案．立法院第11會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議及法制、內政委員會 |
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159.381 |
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三）委員萬美玲等19人擬具 |
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二）委員萬美玲等19人擬具 «警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案案．一）委員 |
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三）委員萬美玲等19人擬具 |
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233.437 |
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三）委員 |
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我不能這樣說,因為我們政府要負責,但是...政府要負責,你都說沒辦法支援,這個年輕人做公務人員,課期這麼辛苦的日子,還給他這個沒錢的時候,這樣怎麼做公交機關呢? |
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我最主要就是要問說 |
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二）委員 |
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318.815 |
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我要跟你說,你有聽到我們正式說的,未來若如此下落時,我們的單位也有可能年輕人會贏不到。 |
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二）委員胡詩君等19人擬具:「警察人員人事條例第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第2次聯席會議第3次聯席會議第4次聯席會議第5次聯席會議第6次聯席會議第7次聯席會議第8次聯席會議第9次聯席會議第10次聯席會議第11次聯席會議第12次聯席會議第13次聯席會議第14次聯席會議第14次聯席會議第15次聯席會議第16次聯席會議第17次聯席會議第18次聯席會議第18次聯席會議第19次聯席會議第19次聯席會議第18次聯席會議第19次聯席會 |
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354.079 |
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374.697 |
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二）委員萬美玲等19人擬具:「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正第三十五條條文修正草案案 案．委員萬美玲等19人擬具:「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案 案．委員萬美玲等19人擬具:「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案 案．委員萬美玲等19人擬具:「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條條文修正草案 案．委員萬美玲等19人擬具:「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條條文修正草案 案．委員萬美玲等19人擬具:「警察人員人 |
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條文及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議．立法院第1次聯席會議．立法院等19人擬具 |
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390.982 |
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二）委員 |
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420.028 |
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市長,在這裏面,我講看到早日,我們在這個企業裡面,有懲處 |
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十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議及法制、內政委員會 |
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453.064 |
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458.4 |
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台灣中華民國的國土一定要保持好以上 |