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| 日期 |
2024-06-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-1-36,15-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
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11 |
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1 |
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1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
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36 |
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司法及法制委員會 |
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內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
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Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-13T10:03:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-13T10:11:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:37 |
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gazette |
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| 委員名稱 |
謝龍介 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:03:09 - 10:11:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查
（一）委員蘇清泉等27人擬具「警察人員人事條例修正第三十五條條文及增訂附表三草案」案。
（二）委員萬美玲等19人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員謝龍介等19人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員王鴻薇等29人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員丁學忠等17人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（六）委員顏寬恒等20人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（七）委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「警察人員人事條例部分條文修正草案」案。
（八）委員林思銘等23人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（九）委員伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe等16人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
（十）委員王鴻薇等18人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（十一）委員游顥等38人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（十二）委員張智倫等17人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
【第（六）至（十）案如經院會復議，則不予審查；第（十一）及（十二）案各黨團若未提出不復議同意書，則不予審查】） |
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謝委員龍介：（10時3分）主席，我請警政署長和消防署長。 |
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主席：麻煩請兩位署長。 |
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張署長榮興：委員好。 |
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謝委員龍介：張署長，很久不見了！ |
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張署長榮興：是啊！ |
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謝委員龍介：你的電話號碼有換嗎？ |
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張署長榮興：都沒有換。 |
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謝委員龍介：你在我們臺南這麼多年，很辛苦啦！ |
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張署長榮興：謝謝委員。 |
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謝委員龍介：還好我們清德兄慧眼識英雄！要討論這個議題，說實在的，我的心情很沈重，所有朝野委員大家都想要針對警察、警消、軍人、殘障、弱勢、低收入戶、老人、農民、漁民通通照顧到，因為士農工商沒有一個不是我們中華民國的國民，手指頭咬下去是隻隻痛，每個都是我們的孩子，但是警察、警消若出意外，大家參加公祭時說到退休金，就只能跟他們說很抱歉！你是當署長的人，請問你有什麼感想？ |
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張署長榮興：報告委員，非常感謝這次委員提案要來照顧警察同仁的福利，警察的工作真的是具危險性、不特定性，而且非常辛苦，所以我的心態是，不管是現職或退休的警察，我覺得都要照顧。 |
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謝委員龍介：你說到重點了，不要在這裡提案後，又再喬成好像是現任和退休對立的狀態，這樣不好！坦白跟大家報告，臺灣鄉親們的左鄰右舍都有警察，當然也有一些害群之馬；警察開你紅單，讓你罵到氣歪歪的，這我也知道，有的人對警察印象很不好，所以你們內部一定要調整，一些服務不好的、態度不好的、品行不好的，都要強力處理，這樣人家才會疼你們入心。警察同仁們無暝無日工作，要知道現在全臺灣人民平均壽命是82歲，但警察至少少我們6歲至8歲，讓他們拚到65歲退休，說實在的，領這些退休金也沒有幾年！ |
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事實上，我家裡也沒有人當警察，但為什麼要這樣？因為我擔任民意代表服務社會二十多年，看了太多無暝無日為臺灣人打拚的這些消防、警察人員，在我擔任臺南市玉皇宮顧問的時候，你知道嗎？這個宮廟來自十方的善款，每年一定都固定撥差不多一千萬支持臺南市消防隊購買一些特殊設備，為什麼？當發生火災時，裡面濃煙密布，沒有人知道到底火源在哪裡、起火點在哪裡，一進去就准死，所以玉皇宮支持他們購買紅外線探測儀，臺南市竟然沒辦法編列這個預算，你說政府照顧得到你們嗎？照顧不到！包括警察的防彈背心、防彈衣，包括第一手武器，你想想看，現在作奸犯科的歹徒一進來拿的都是衝鋒槍，火力越來越強，甚至警察執法的時候，以前是在你面前嗆聲，現在不用了，槍拿起來就直接開了，甚至外役監跑出去的也能打死警察，真是無所不至！點點滴滴，都讓我們感到心痛，所以今天提出這個案子。 |
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在年改的時候，我們估計預算將近二兆元而已，到今天已經是二兆八千多億，增加八、九千億，世代有問題嗎？有，有問題，但我問你，增加這八千多億有照顧到這些新世代嗎？沒有！有照顧到這些警察、警消嗎？也沒有！錢跑到哪裡去了？持家才知米鹽貴，政府不一定是無心，你看朝野大家都有心要照顧，這樣很好啊！大家面對問題，發展經濟，不要吵架，讓該照顧的都照顧到，但要一步一步來，這裡照顧好了，再來照顧別的地方，二千八百多億，我告訴你，大人少吃一口，小孩就吃到膩，可以分一點出來啊！我剛才看銓敘部的報告說會多出十幾億、二十幾億、三十幾億，我告訴你，光是預算部分，八年多了八千多億，八千多億是每一年喔！現在每一年都二兆八千多億了！ |
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在此語重心長，署長，要加油啦！人家要照顧我們，我們內部的自律也要加強，警消也一樣，我曾經聽過開餐廳要檢查消防、公安，檢查之後，就有人告訴老闆要找哪一間來做比較穩妥，一定會通過檢查，你知道有這種事情嗎？這種傳聞就很負面，人家要挺你，結果變成餐廳的消防、公安檢查以後，向人家表示讓這間做不會過關，一定要讓哪一家做才會通過，有這樣的耶！我親身經歷過耶！ |
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蕭署長煥章：報告委員，現在都法制化了，都是委託…… |
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謝委員龍介：我哪不知道法制化，就委外啊！委外就變成什麼人做會通過，誰做就不會通過，你聽不懂嗎？欸！這各個縣市都有，美惠委員，對不對？ |
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王委員美惠：對啊！ |
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謝委員龍介：不是啦！你們內部如果自律、有檢討，沒有委員不支持你們啦！這一鍋很大鍋，舀兩勺分給警察吃，他們這麼拚命，坦白說，光是看平均壽命少我們一般人6到8歲，我們就夠心疼了，不然為什麼現在大家都急著要退休？不是他們愛退休，退休後也養不起家庭、小孩，是他被操到沒辦法了，撐到長官要挺也挺不下去，他就沒辦法出勤了嘛！不退休不行，如果按照現在的所得替代率，一旦退休，家庭就會陷入困難，所以我們要有良心，而且不只是照顧警察、警消而已，全民我們都要照顧，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝。下一位我們請王美惠委員發言。 |
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沈發惠 |
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併案審查( 一 ) 委員蘇清泉等27 人擬具「警察人員人事條例修正第三十五條條文及增訂附表三草
案」案、(二)委員萬美玲等19人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、(三)委
員謝龍介等19人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、(四)委員王鴻薇等29人
擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員丁學忠等17人擬具「警察人員
人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、(六)委員顏寬恒等20人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十
五條條文修正草案」案、(七)委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等18人擬具「警察人員人事條例部分條文修
正草案」案、( 八) 委員林思銘等23 人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、
(九)委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等16人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條及第三十六條
條文修正草案」案、(十)委員王鴻薇等18人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」
案、(十一)委員游顥等38人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、(十二)委員
張智倫等17人擬具「警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案 |
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主席,我請金正恩署長及蕭鴻署長。好,麻煩請兩位署長。委員好。哎,金正恩,吃久沒看喔。是啊。你電話有碗沒有啊?沒有啊,都沒碗。 |
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你在我們台南這麼多年,很辛苦啦。謝謝委員。好在我們剩下的那些復原式營養。我討論這個議題實在是說,我心情真正當。所有條約的委員,大家都想要把警察、警校、軍人 |
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三草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次聯席會議第1次 |
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若說到退休金就跟你說很抱歉你做輸定的人你有什麼感想? |
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報告委員我非常感謝這次委員提議來照顧警察的這個同仁的這個福利那警察的工作是真的是危險性不特定性而且是非常辛苦所以我是我的心態就是說我不管是現職的警察還是退休的警察我是覺得都要照顧 |
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你講到重點嘛,不然在這裡提案還要再抄到變成現任的啦,跟退休的不需要要對立,這不好。我先不跟大家報告,我們台灣的鄉親,你出避頭尾都有警察,當然有一股海軍籍嘛,把你開洋裝什麼,讓你走到街外我也知道,有的對警察印象很壞,所以你內部 |
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一定我們要調整一些服務壞的、態度壞的、品行壞的、我們的強力處理,這樣人家聽你的就心了。但是你如果想說這個警察,他們這樣沒名沒力喔。我們現在全台灣我們的平均生命大概要八十二歲啦。警察啊,減我們六歲至八歲。 |
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草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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做不夠我擔任台南市廟房經的顧問的時候,你知不知道?這個宮廟來自十方的省份每一年都一定固定拔差不多一千萬來支持台南市消防隊為什麼?去買一些特殊的設備復生的時候裡面有沒有沒有人知道到底復原在哪裡?到底得到什麼機會?進去就要死了?不知道 |
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所以呢﹐這幾個環境支持人來買這個紅瓦薩的探測儀﹐第三次竟然沒辦法去編這個文章你說政府照顧你們會對嗎﹐照顧不夠﹐包括警察的風暖費金﹐風暖衣﹐包括第一手﹐的武器﹐你自己想說現在很乾坤坷的台獨﹐進來走都是衝鋒情﹐ |
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二）委員萬美玲等19人擬具 «警察人員人事條例第三 |
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我們國的武尊啊,最快兩條離議啊,到今天你兩條八千幾億,整個八九千億,世代有問題嗎?有問題。我問你這屆八千幾億有照顧到這新世代嗎?也沒有。有照顧到這警察警消嗎?也沒有。真是遭遇到啦。 |
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二）委員萬美玲等19人擬具、「警察人員人事條例第三 |
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二）委員三）委員 |
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蘇町,我告訴你,但是我們要照顧,我們內部的組織要加強,經銷也一樣,我也聽到人家的餐廳在開,人家說要消防檢查、要公安,檢查後就有人去跟他們討論,你就找到一間來做比較好,就溫過了,這你覺得怎麼有這個事情? |
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二）委員萬美玲等19人擬具 |
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不是啦,內部你如果有主任啦,有擬特政委員沒人支持你啦因為不是,這坑很大坑嘛,坑兩個那邊警察借的啦,他們拚到快要死啦我坦白講,看到這個邊警守命,擬我們一般人六歲至八歲,我們就有夠痛心嘛 |
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三）委員萬美玲等19人擬具 |
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所以我們要有良心,在這裡,不是只照顧警察、警少年,專門我們都會照顧。謝謝 |