| IVOD_ID |
153868 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153868 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-12T12:02:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-12T12:10:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4f10fa8b3f7cd819a59f4cedd9abf37f0fec08313b105ec0f1306821ff1b0f818ce2492c85169a165ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:02:47 - 12:10:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、經濟部部長、國家科學及技術委員會首長、數位發展部首長、教育部首長就「為掌握生成式AI等關鍵技術帶來的產業革命機會，台灣要如何深化AI生態系及充實AI人才與產業AI化，促動台灣產業數位轉型與運用AI賦能升級，擴展產業發展，打造智慧未來」進行報告，並備質詢。【6月12日及6月13日兩天一次會】） |
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賴委員士葆：（12時2分）謝謝主席以及各位先進。有請經濟部長郭部長。 |
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主席：再請郭部長。 |
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郭部長智輝：委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：部長你好。你上臺之後不斷地說不缺電、不缺電，我現在給你看一張圖，這是台電的圖，備轉容量在過去已經有7天低於10%了，最近的6月9日，今天是6月12日，6月9日備轉容量率9.49%，備轉容量284.5萬瓩，部長，夏天還沒有到咧！前幾天我們梅雨季節，天氣很涼快，用電還少咧！你已經有7次低於10%，我就問你，你說不缺電，那為什麼你們對台塑的麥寮1號機還要延長1年呢？它是燃煤的，它把它改成燃氣體的，結果你們就是怕沒電，60萬瓩把它買下來，再延1年到明年底，你要不要回答一下？ |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，低於10%大概就這麼一次啦！我們的意思是說，在10%左右，還可以容許幾個機組它如果有狀況的時候，這些備載的狀況是這樣子，所以應該不至於在這個情況之下會跳電。 |
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賴委員士葆：馬上到夏天了喔！夏天熱喔！現在都超過30度喔！來，我就納悶了，納了悶了！部長，聽好喔！核三廠的1號機，裝置容量有多少？你告訴我，台電應該知道，打pass一下。 |
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郭部長智輝：98萬瓩。 |
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賴委員士葆：98萬，我這裡的數字是95萬，將近100萬，這個東西我們法都給你改了，讓你可以申請，不要前面5年，結果你後來縮回去，你原來講核二、核三修法完畢以後就可以延役，大家覺得唉呀！你有企業家精神，說實話啊！結果24小時不到，吃一頓飯，然後被民進黨立委打幾個巴掌，縮回去了！郭部長，你失去我對你的期待，你失去我對你的尊敬，企業家有的是什麼？有的就是我照實，照業務上怎麼來，你企業做得這麼成功，結果部長，你還好意思說你希望能夠做滿4年，你知道有哪一個經濟部長做滿4年？你告訴我。 |
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郭部長智輝：我是回答說1個任期是4年。 |
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賴委員士葆：你查一查，那是跟院長一起的，院長沒有做過4年的，除了蘇貞昌第二次回鍋。過去從2000年以後的院長，有的1年多，賴清德2年左右，跟院長一起啦！你講這個話，說要做滿4年，有一點類似什麼？這句話沒有很好聽，但是我的感覺就是這樣，我的「fu」就是這樣，叫青蛙打哈欠─好大的口氣！你知道嗎？跟著院長走，院長沒有4年的，除了蘇貞昌是很奇怪的，剛好這樣讓他賺到，其他幾乎沒有4年的，有的1年，有的2年，跟著院長走，你怎麼說你要做4年？這代表你很不進入狀況耶！然後現在我們感覺到，你對SRF怎麼突然又發一個可以推薦函呢？你們可能又發給桃園，那3家可以推薦它進桃園觀音的桃科，為什麼你要發？我請教你，為什麼你要發？ |
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郭部長智輝：這部分我們不是主管單位，桃園才是主管單位。 |
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賴委員士葆：你不是主管你就不要發，你何必發呢？ |
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郭部長智輝：我們沒有發喔！ |
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賴委員士葆：你發了，怎麼沒有發？推薦函啊！不然它怎麼…… |
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郭部長智輝：我們只是它來訴願，然後透過訴願委員會把它退回去，是訴願委員會決定的…… |
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賴委員士葆：後來准了，又可以了。 |
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郭部長智輝：不是經濟部決定的。 |
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賴委員士葆：訴願委員會就是你經濟部底下的。 |
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郭部長智輝：沒有、沒有、沒有，報告委員，這個訴願委員會一共有11位委員。 |
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賴委員士葆：裡面都是經濟部的官員，大部分。 |
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郭部長智輝：沒有，經濟部的官員只有2位，其他9位是外面的學者跟專家。 |
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賴委員士葆：主要是你們主導。我跟你講，國民黨的立法委員有一個將軍，陳永康上將他推了兵推，他講了一個概念，不要再擔心老共打我們能夠撐多久之類的，重要的是一打仗，臺灣的電能不能撐2天48小時？醫療能不能撐48小時？我就是請問你，因為我剛剛去問了國安局長，他說你才有答案，能不能撐48小時？就是打仗的時候撐48小時，供電無虞，請你回答。 |
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郭部長智輝：這部分我不是專家，我沒有辦法回答。 |
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賴委員士葆：不是，你是專家，拜託！電是你管的，怎麼不是專家呢？ |
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郭部長智輝：打仗的時候…… |
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賴委員士葆：不是，打仗的時候，電是你管的啊！怎麼不是呢？ |
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郭部長智輝：打仗的時候，我想這個是由國家調度的，不是經濟部可以調度的。 |
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賴委員士葆：沒有、沒有，我剛才去問國安局局長，他說經濟部管的，要經濟部長回答，所以我來這裡問你。 |
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郭部長智輝：如果以電網的韌性，我們是可以的。 |
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賴委員士葆：48小時撐得住？ |
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郭部長智輝：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：撐得住？ |
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郭部長智輝：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：因為電很重要喔！電如果撐不住的話，你醫療就有問題，血漿就有問題，冷鏈就有問題。 |
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郭部長智輝：沒有問題。 |
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賴委員士葆：你參加過兵推沒有？兵推。 |
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郭部長智輝：沒有。 |
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賴委員士葆：有機會參加兵推，請你特別注意這一塊，現在大家都覺得說兩岸打仗怎麼樣，其實兩岸打仗，電最重要，電的韌性，電最重要，這是台電董事長告訴你的，我請你回去study一下，好好做功課啦！不要張大口就要做4年，如果你完全沒有自己的mindset，然後隨波逐流，這樣你是做不到4年啦！真的，我都覺得你「shaky」、「shaky」，好好加油吧！ |
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郭部長智輝：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：剛剛賴士葆委員講的是推薦文，你們回答的是訴願委員會的結果，所以雞同鴨講，還是要給賴士葆委員說明清楚。 |
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接下來請鍾佳濱委員做詢答，4分鐘，謝謝。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、經濟部部長、國家科學及技術委員會首長、數位發展部首長、教
育部首長就「為掌握生成式 AI 等關鍵技術帶來的產業革命機會，台灣要如何深化 AI 生態系及充
實 AI 人才與產業 AI 化，促動台灣產業數位轉型與運用 AI 賦能升級，擴展產業發展，打造智慧
未來」進行報告，並備質詢 |
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你上台之後不斷地說不缺電不缺電 |
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我現在給你看一張圖這是台電的圖備轉容量在過去已經有7天低於10%了最近的6月9號今天是6月12號6月9號備轉容量9.49備轉容量284.5 |
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千萬萬千萬部長夏天還沒有到勒前幾天我們梅雨季節天氣很涼快有點來少勒你已經有7次低於10%我就問你你說不確定那為什麼你們對台塑的麥寮一號機還要給它延長一年勒 |
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他是藍美的他把他蓋成藍氣體的結果你們就是怕沒點60萬千萬趕快賣掉再延一年到明年底你要不要回答一下報告委員這個低於10%大概就是這麼一次了 |
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那我們的意思就是說這個在10%左右這個因為還可以容許幾個機組他如果有狀況的時候這個是這個這些備載的狀況這樣所以應該不至於在這個情況之下會跳馬上夏天喔夏天熱喔現在超過30度喔來我就納悶了納得悶了部長聽好喔 |
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河山廠的1號機裝置容量有多少?你告訴我台電應該知道,我打發試一下98萬千萬我這裡數字95萬,將近100萬這個東西我們法都給你改了讓你可以申請不要前面5年結果你後來縮起來你原來講河河山修完完畢以後就可以 |
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聯誼大家覺得說AI你有企業家的精神說實話結果24小時不到吃一頓飯然後被這個民進黨立委打幾個巴掌 |
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國務部長你失去我對你的期待你失去我對你的尊敬企業家有的是什麼有的就是我照事照業務上怎麼來你企業做這麼成功結果部長你還好意思說你希望能夠做滿四年你知道哪一個經濟部長做滿四年你告訴我我是回答說一個任期是四年 |
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你查一查那跟院長一起來院長沒有做過四年的除了蘇貞昌第二次會過過去從2000年以後的院長有的一年多賴清德兩年左右跟院長一起來這個啊你講這個話要做滿四年有一點類似這句話沒有很老聽啦但是我的感覺就這樣我的feel就這樣叫青蛙打哈欠好大的口氣 |
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你知道嗎跟著院長走啊院長沒有四年的除了蘇貞昌是很奇怪的剛好這樣讓他賺到幾乎沒有四年的有的一年有的兩年跟著院長走你說你要做四年這代表你也不進入狀況然後你現在我們感覺到是SRF你怎麼突然又發一個可以推薦函呢 |
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你們可能又發給桃園那三家可以推進它進桃園關營呢桃科呢為什麼你要發我請教你為什麼你要發我這一部分我們不是主管單位桃園才是主管單位你還被罰了 |
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我們沒有發吧你發了怎麼沒有發我沒有發喔我們只是他來這個場來溯源然後我們透過溯源委員會然後把它退回去這樣它是溯源委員會決定的不是經濟部決定的溯源委員就是你經濟部的底下的沒有沒有沒有那個報告委員這個溯源委員會一共有11位委員底面的都是經濟部的官員 |
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沒有,經濟部的官員只有兩位其他的九位是外面的學者跟專家主要是你們主導了我跟你講我們的立法委員國民黨的立法委員有一個將軍陳永康上將他推了兵推他講了一個概念 |
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不要再擔心老共打我們能夠撐多久啊什麼之類的重要是一打仗台灣能不能撐電能不能撐兩天48小時醫療能不能撐48小時我就是請問你我發現國安局長問了他說你才有答案能不能撐48小時就打仗的時候撐48小時供電無虞請你回答 |
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這一部分我不是專家我沒有辦法回答打仗的時候我想這個是由國家調度的不是經濟部可以調度的我剛才去國安局局長問他說經濟部管的要經濟部長回答所以我來這裡問你那這個如果以電網的韌性我們是可以的 |
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兩48小時撐得住是撐得住是因為電很重要喔是電如果撐不住的話你醫療就有問題血漿就有問題冷鏈就有問題沒有問題你參加過兵推沒有兵推沒有沒有有機會參加兵推請你特別注意注意這一關現在大家都覺得說兩岸打仗怎麼樣其實兩岸打仗電最重要電的韌性電最重要我 |
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這是台電董事館告訴你的啦我請你回去study一下好好做功課啦不要張大口下做死年如果你這樣子完全沒有自己的一個mindset然後隨波逐流這樣你是做不死的啦真的我都覺得你shake it shake it好好加油吧謝謝委員 |
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剛剛賴司保委員講的是推薦文你們回答的是蘇院委員會的結果所以雞同鴨講還是要給賴司保委員說明清楚謝謝 |