| IVOD_ID |
153758 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153758 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-06T12:27:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-06T12:35:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0d7b1f4370c473d5be94890b2befc52479f99d17e212a4188d38369fa36eb79f5ada283277b8f26e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:27:47 - 12:35:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長就「廢棄物暫存量逐年攀升，廢棄物處理政策短中長程規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【6月5日及6日二天一次會】） |
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我想請那個環境部部長請彭部長 |
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葉委員好部長好我們今天討論廢棄物問題因為其實我們新北市的廢棄物其實還蠻嚴重你對我們新北市不知道狀況了不了解因為你剛剛上任嘛我們有三座焚化廠你曉得它總共一天可以處理多少垃圾嗎我數字記不得啦但是我從小在開公路看到五穀山然後被整治我就很有感觸那個跟焚化爐沒關係我們的焚化爐有三座巴黎新店 |
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還有樹林那總共一天是處理2700噸那現在一個很大的問題就是說因為我新北市的垃圾的焚化毒的量他並不能夠處理全部新北市他所產生的生活垃圾跟事業廢棄物沒有辦法總共2700沒辦法 |
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現在光是清潔隊就2000噸一天要進2000噸只有700噸可以處理事業廢棄物所以這個事業廢棄的都要往外縣市去送我現在是希望說部長因為你們是中央你們比較知道各縣市的狀況應該要發揮協調的功能我現在舉一個我可以預測嚴重的問題就是明年巴黎的我們這邊巴黎的焚化爐就要整改那巴黎是我們新北市最大焚化爐它是一天要處理1200噸 |
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換言之就是差不多近一半的垃圾都是巴黎要處理那如果說由巴黎如果整個整改當然現在環保局的計畫是他要分機組嘛分年來整改可是他一定會遇到要整座停的狀況而且要停兩個月就會造成他可能有兩個月每天1200噸的垃圾沒辦法處理 |
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你知道那個嘉麗嘉麗不是之前有個焚化爐也在整改嗎你知道他怎麼處理沒辦法處理垃圾嗎你知道怎麼處理嗎打包的啦打包對不對所以他打包他的垃圾就堆在那邊嘛他整改完之後再回焚化廠回焚化廠就如果說你的焚化廠平常都燒不完的話你打包的那些垃圾也消耗不了啦我現在這個意思是說 |
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那中央要怎麼去協調這個問題比如說明年我們巴黎焚化廠要整改的話那這一天一千兩百噸的垃圾你可不可以協調就是其他縣市有餘裕的部分可以讓我們新北市的垃圾進去燒啊然後第二個是如果中央我看到你們有把各縣市整改的計畫都列出來嘛代表說你會有這個時程嘛我不知道說環境部在 |
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協調這一塊有沒有做啦?因為你不能夠讓全臺灣很多縣市的焚化爐同時在整改。有這個,包委員這個我們都有跨縣市,跨區域的,我們環管署就是在辦這個角色。對,都有在協調。就不能夠讓所有的焚化爐同時整改,否則的話。不會不會,這個有一個時間順序的。那我剛剛講的那個有關於巴黎焚化廠,如果要整改,環境部這邊可以提供什麼協助嗎? |
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是報告委員這樣子齁那個我們跟新北市環保局其實很密切啦我本身也是從新北市巴黎廠商場擔任過廠長的食物經驗齁在這個部分我們跟他協調有幾個路徑第一個當然是協調到其他縣市是最佳嘛齁哪些縣市現在現在還沒大概還沒什麼時候要協調他只要我們跟環保局再來談嘿 |
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署長那個以前我在新北市做議員我常常關心這個議題啦環保局給我答案我都不滿意啦你現在給我答案也是在敷衍了因為垃圾如果沒辦法處理的話影響到是我們社區的民眾 |
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我們因為垃圾的問題現在我們像我是來自於板橋啦很多大型的社區他們大部分都是找清運公司在收垃圾但是因為清運公司他的垃圾沒有辦法進到焚化爐裡面所以他要往外縣市送所以他成本就提高了還有他會放掉一些小的客戶所以導致於後來的客戶他的成本越來越高他要付的這個費用就越來越高所以每一個人都感覺垃圾費漲啊 |
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每個人都感覺到社會長那歸根清源就是焚化爐的量不夠所以我現在聽署長的態度就是空話你要怎麼解決這個問題你要怎麼協助還是你覺得這是地方環保局的事還是請部長回答這個我們會協調啦怎麼協調嘛因為這個已經很多年的問題了啊 |
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法委員那個剛才委員所擔心的這個垃圾我們這幾年來從來沒有一包垃圾是流落街頭的這個請委員報告費用就提高了嘛我剛講的不是只有垃圾流落街頭的問題第一個大家垃圾費就提高了嘛 |
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然後很多社區因為他的本來找簽訂公司然後垃圾費提高之後他就不找簽訂公司他就改丟清潔隊然後清潔隊現在人力物力也不夠所以很多新型的社區希望垃圾車可以開到他的社區旁邊不願意開啊因為量能不夠啊所以你影響的不僅是一般的事業廢棄物你影響這社區的生活垃圾你也影響到一般的民眾啊 |
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那你現在只有告訴我說沒有流落街頭所以我就好棒棒可是我剛剛舉出來那些問題例如說他們在倒垃圾不方便倒垃圾的費用成本的增加這些你都沒有解決啊 |
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所以我不知道說你們環境部你們對於垃圾這個問題KPI只要是路上看不到垃圾你就好棒棒是這個意思嗎各位報告當然這幾年我們是逐漸在推動一些設施因為我時間到了我希望說因為剛剛講的確實是很抽象 |
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非常非常非常抽象可不可以請主席才示一下可不可以給我的問題非常具體好不好因為我們新北市就三座焚化爐巴黎焚化爐即將要整改而且現在也面臨到焚化爐不夠的問題請問一下中央怎麼協助地方來解決這件事情 |
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你給我一個具體的方案好不好我拿著這個方案我去跟地方來討論我跟地方的協會來討論我跟地方的清潔隊社區來討論看有沒有可以在環境部這邊才可以幫忙的地方我不知道這樣可不可以那大概什麼時間可以給我 |
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報告委員這個北北基桃他有聯防的一個機制在我們北北基桃一起討論之後再跟這個委員報告有機制就有我剛是把問題我很具體的問題講出來是你一直告訴我說你現行有機制現行做什麼但是就是有發生這些問題嘛我就覺得你做不夠嘛所以希望你解決我的問題嘛然後你一直告訴我說已經有機制了 |
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我希望你這邊考卷可以考80分你說已經考10分了是不是考10分就夠了現在新的部長來新的新跡象希望新的部長提出新的方法嘛這樣有很要求有很有很過分嗎委員我們會給你一個報告好不好我們協商一下我們這邊研究一下再給委員一個報告大概什麼時候 |
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我們要跟地方協商是是是我們一個月之內一個月之內好好一個月之內好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝好那請環境部一個月之內再把資料提供給葉委員好好 |