| IVOD_ID |
153725 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153725 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-35-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-06T11:16:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-06T11:24:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0d7b1f4370c473d5c42d048b275b3cccf3bd234b5abfe8c9ee56b966b91e11308aa131f5e391f1f35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:16:08 - 11:24:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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部長,您前任那個位置的時候,跟前任的部長有沒有交接? |
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上一任在部長的時候我有請教部長說 |
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因為這個公管營區的弊案他直接牽涉到的說這位負責的少將他在一場關鍵的會議當中他去更改了整個招標的規格那減少施作了很多的評訴也減少施作了很多的項目 |
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那其中一個關鍵的會議是在4月24號的時候因為我看了國防部的行政調查報告包括舊版跟新版新版是起訴以後的調查報告其實你們後來提供我又在拜讀其實跟起訴前的調查報告基本上實質上可以說是一模一樣那我在新版的調查報告的時候我一樣沒有看到說為什麼在4月24號的關鍵會議沒有會議記錄上一次巡查的時候 |
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回答的幫部長回答的我們國防部的同仁說這樣沒有會議記錄是不正常的事情那針對這件事情我想要理解說部內後來有沒有在檢討這個重要的會議竟然去修改了招標規格為什麼沒有會議記錄請部長 |
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我粗淺的了解,等一下再請法律事務所長講,因為我之前就有相關了解就是說在這個部分確實有疏失的樣子,因為他好像原來在軍備局,後來到轉換另外一個他從空軍到軍備局 |
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我相信國人很痛心,沒有人可以認受。 |
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我們在討論這件事情其實取決於兩個第一個事情是責任的追究該追究的責任要追究但追究責任不僅僅是追究責任我們要預防未來不會再發生所以我現在具體的問題是說我們現在大家確認了剛剛部長也說了這個是一個俗詞那未來我們在有關於採購的這個SOP上面我們是不是應該要去建立一個最基本的規範如果牽涉到招標規格的修改 |
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要有文字紀錄要有人負責部長或司長在不贊成我跟委員報告這個案子發生了之後我記得我們後續的檢討還有軍備局現在有的一些相關的規定裡面就這個部分已經有更改如果說一定程度的好沒有關係因為時間的關係你會後齁把你們法規怎麼更改的好更改前的法規更改後的法規送一份給我這樣可以嗎好可以嗎好第二個 |
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統包需求的修訂軍備局可以管嗎?請部長要請市長代答我也OK啦統包需求的修訂是軍備局可以管的嗎? |
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因為這個牽涉到層層的環節啊30億公管贏去的案子要給空子部我們大家都支持啊但發生這麼嚴重的貪賭案件我們一定要去檢討行政流程到底出了哪裡的問題讓不肖的人可以上下其手嘛所以剛剛說以後這種修改規格的必須要有會議紀錄這個我認同但是規範在哪裡要寫清楚那第二個統高需求修訂是軍備局可以管的嗎 |
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要部長還是市長都可以我跟委員報告他的整個作業流程因為我不是管工程的我沒有記的這麼清楚但是我跟委員 合同院主席站起來你會不會跟我講可以嗎我事實上跟你們講啦你們自己的調查報告白紙黑字就寫這不是軍備局可以管的啦這不是軍備局可以管的啦 |
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蔡雪良媽媽 |
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我不曉得部長今天來的時候是不是有看到蔡媽媽還有她的布條那其實她要的很簡單她要的只有一個真相因為在2020年的時候臺大法醫研究所做出來的鑑定報告說她兒子死亡的時候根本就不是T-65K2步槍及子彈所造成的 |
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當然因為他所發現的這個新的證據已經超過了我們對於再審期間的限制所以他提再審沒有過他提再審沒有過並不是因為沒有再審的事由而是超過了那個再審的期間部長您過去曾經講過面對過去的冤案我們應該要翻箱倒櫃的追問 |
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這個精神我非常的認同我們在面對軍煙的時候特別是傷心欲絕的家人的時候我們政府其實真的有責任將心比心給對方一個真相一個公道所以我最後的懇求是這個樣子我不知道國防部有沒有收到蔡媽媽的陳情國防部可不可以慎重的在考慮重啟一次行政調查把最近 |
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法院研究所他們所抽出來的鑑定的報告納入你們重啟行政調查的範圍當中最起碼告慰家屬給家屬一個真相跟交代部長這樣可以嗎 |
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跟委員報告,因為這個案子之前我就有瞭解,我的瞭解是平淵協會那一邊已經幫他窮盡了所有相關司法的程序,所以光部即使再次重啟行政調查,是不是能夠讓他在司法救濟上能夠有所得,我想在法律上 |
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司法救濟的途徑我相信顧部長之前是個大律師我們都很了解訴訟法相關的規定但我現在在跳脫的已經不是司法救濟程序是他現在卡在心中的那個真相他兒子到底怎麼走的那法醫研究所驗出來的跟當初的結果不一致就這個部分國防部願意再重啟調查給這位傷心欲絕的媽媽一個基本的交代嗎 |
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因為司法的調查據我的了解已經把所有相關的證人都找去了我們如果要再重啟行政調查這可能那個權限的範圍是相當有限是 |
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其實上禮拜好像有找過他了上禮拜我們有碰過面 |
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黃國昌委員 |