| IVOD_ID |
153701 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153701 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-35-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-06T10:23:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-06T10:33:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0d7b1f4370c473d586fdb275391ddc7bf3bd234b5abfe8c98282b1d5b897dd1cb72eae049c66d9735ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:23:30 - 10:33:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝主席麻煩顧部長顧部長 |
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好 王委員好部長早作為一個國防部長在這個時候其實最重要是明年度的國防預算大概六七八月你們要進行相關的編審那九月份就會送進我們立法院那你又是近年來首位的文人部長所以本期今天第一個比較大的題目是要請教 |
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目前在你心中的計畫明年度我們的國防預算是否會增加或者顯著增加因為之前蔡英文總統的任內你是國防會秘書長在前4年當時蔡總統有承諾每一年以佔國防預算至少2%的幅度往上成長所以本席這邊 |
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統計一個表單純看這個預算數國防預算近10年來特別從2018年預算數是逐年顯著增加 |
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如果你拿2015年的預算數那個是根據2014年的GDP到2024年的預算數那是根據2023年的GDP在預算數我講的是金額大概成長了38.9%你把4,345億去除3,127億不含特別預算 |
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那以這一個我們國內生產毛額來看就是我們的總體經濟來看從2015年反映出的20142024年反映出的2023我們的GDP成長是46% |
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所以用這樣來對照我們的金額是有成長但是還沒有完全跟我們的GDP成長去完全去吻合當然這有很多因素社會福利各項的支出那如果單純看佔GDP比率這個大概是各盟友主要在看的說歐洲的國防預算有沒有達到2%台灣的國防預算有沒有到2.53大概是看這一塊這一塊 |
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如果單純看我們的預算數平常心講雖然我們金額成長了百分之三十多三成以上但我們的GDP佔比看起來其實是沒有明顯的成長但是這漏掉一個數據所以本席特別把馬政府因為沒有特別預算 |
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那在蔡英文政府因為國防採購跨年度先進戰機或者是提高防衛力量的需求我們分別在2020年跟2022年有兩次的特別預算涵蓋年度我都寫在後面的特別預算你把那個金額平均加進去我先提醒平均未必正確因為他有說前面比較少後面比較多 |
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你把平均加進去的話也確實蔡英文政府的國防預算呢相較於以往是有明顯的增加但是大概這兩年到2.09、2.08左右我把這個基礎數字跟部長做了分析之後我的問題是請問部長你接下來6、7、8、9月大概就要準備編這個預算了會不會增加相較以往金額跟佔比會不會增加 |
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231.21 |
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跟委員報告,就我的理解,明後年的軍頭好像是在支付的高峰期,我們的作業維持會也不斷的增加,所以我當然 |
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232.951 |
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259.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
我們會務實的來檢討這個依照這個防衛專案需求來務實檢討不過我當然希望我們的額度呢這個配付的額度能夠持續穩定的成長那這個部分還需要跟主計長要好好的溝通你如果說說我陪你們去為主計長我也是樂見但我現在提的事情說他有兩個數據顯示出其實盟友常常問我們說我們 |
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260.814 |
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280.026 |
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保護自己國家的決心大概不管是預期還有預算大概常問的是這兩件事情那在預算的話有兩個數字一個是金額的總數那這牽涉到我們總體經濟概況如果經濟萎縮金額的總數一定會往下掉另外一個就是占比 |
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284.028 |
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300.279 |
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暫比跟我們的年度國防預算合併計算的話我們現在大概已經超過歐盟的標準我們這2%以上了但是有人會不把特別預算納進去算但是還是合併計算比較妥當所以我還是期待顧立雄部長這一邊 |
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301.88 |
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323.556 |
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在明年我們的國防預算的展現上因為美國他用總統的PDA他用他們的FMF當然也回過頭他們在審議的時候也說那臺灣自己的決心在哪裡部長這邊你心裡的盤算你當然希望越多越好了但世間不好的事我是說你明年的國防預算按照這個數據上來看會不會持續往上走 |
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就我的理解應該會持續往上走只是增加的幅度到底有多大持續往上走就是一個趨勢嘛對對但是我過去我過去在國安會前也常常說到對啦委員講的沒有錯就是說我們展現自我防衛的決心有時候不是單靠國防預算的量化但是國防預算的量化的這個確實是他們 |
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356.82 |
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356.98 |
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國防部長 |
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377.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
第2個題目 |
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416.574 |
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最近不管是美國的外委會主席來或之前的蓋拉格來我大概跟他們談的都這三件事情在背景是2023年美國的NDAA也就是他們的財政年度國防授權法案特別把一個美國的叫做這個TERA叫做 |
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420.701 |
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435.515 |
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臺灣強韌法,把他的精神納進去,那這個臺灣Enhance Resilience Act這個叫TERRA,他把他納進去之後呢那這邊就有三個面向,可能我要詢問來自於國安會的國防部長 |
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436.015 |
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463.888 |
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第一個根據2023年TERRA的5507條裡面有載明外國軍售計畫下要加速對台軍售那這個我有看到寫在您今天的報告書的第10頁很好那有沒有具體的做法就是說他加速既有已經答應軍售給我們加趕快提早交付給我們以及未來軍售案的能夠提高速度這是第一件事情 |
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464.528 |
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488.787 |
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第2個在2023年的NDA裡面的TERRA相關的條款對照起來5510條裡面這點就跟最近大家談的很重要美國這個條例是要求把美國的智慧產產權移轉到台灣等於尋找合作廠商來協助台灣在台生產潛在的合作商員來合作 |
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508.051 |
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這個是根據這個TERRA510條那我們一直在爭取跟美國簽署這個RDPRDP就是互惠國防採購協定供應安全安排SOSA這兩個合併起來講就是讓美國跟台灣 |
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508.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
523.142 |
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合作在台灣生產先進的裝備那我綜合起來請你一併回答也就是說這個好處是第一個台灣能夠國防自主那也能夠因應未來的可能性的封鎖 |
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524.743 |
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544.034 |
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提升臺灣國防工業及技術能力臺灣可以藉由不管是RDP或者SOSA能夠進入美方跟他盟友的供應鏈這對臺灣的工業界來講是一個很大的利多所以以上這一個部分是不是請部長綜合回答 |
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是那個第一個快速對台軍售就我的理解就是已經成立一個叫做Tiger TeamTiger Team 2.0那一段時間了對那就這個部分他結合應該是國會國防部跟國務院那這個Tiger Team的加速對台軍售那具體的哪一些部分他把我們的交運的這個 |
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567.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
李卓人議員 |
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607.286 |
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那另外這個共同的就是所謂的co-production在這個部分我想這個部分我們一直積極的在爭取因為我們是一個海島的國家那暫時的時候我們必須要維持一定的這個產業的國防工業的概念這兩年有沒有辦法簽 有沒有可能 |
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613.311 |
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622.156 |
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我們在近期爭取,近期可能會有一些結果,再跟委員報告,我想可能在私下再跟委員報告。 |