| IVOD_ID |
153681 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153681 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-20-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-06T09:35:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-06T09:46:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0d7b1f4370c473d50d6b19b7818727392248f66a23a11b538282b1d5b897dd1c2843dd09ca1b81945ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:35:16 - 09:46:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央銀行楊總裁金龍就「日圓貶值效應會否導致亞洲貨幣競貶，及對台灣經濟影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢；另邀請經濟部列席備詢。
【6月3日及6日二天一次會】） |
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賴委員士葆：（9時35分）謝謝主席，以及各位先進。有請央行楊總裁。 |
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主席：請楊總裁。 |
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楊總裁金龍：賴委員早。 |
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賴委員士葆：總裁早。理事會下個禮拜開，是吧？ |
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楊總裁金龍：對，沒有錯。 |
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賴委員士葆：現在看起來，今天歐洲央行理事會說可望降息，外界的揣測，加拿大已經降息了、開了G7的第一槍，歐洲央行一般估算是跟進…… |
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楊總裁金龍：事實上瑞士前一陣子也降息。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以應該可以降息？他們都降息。 |
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楊總裁金龍：我們會討論，在6月13日，很抱歉，剛好就是我們這10天之內因為…… |
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賴委員士葆：緘默期。 |
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楊總裁金龍：嗯，第一個，緘默期；第二個，那是委員會，委員討論的結果在那一天才會公布，所以我現在講的話也不見得就是這樣子。 |
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賴委員士葆：可是你會參考這些吧？ |
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楊總裁金龍：那當然。我們會考慮全球的整個經濟情況是怎麼樣；第二個，全球主要央行的貨幣政策走向是怎麼樣，這個我們都會討論。 |
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賴委員士葆：一般預估，下週美國Fed不會降息。 |
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楊總裁金龍：現在市場是覺得，應該還是不會…… |
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賴委員士葆：因為CPI控制得可以，對不對？ |
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楊總裁金龍：剛剛我也在講，現在看起來好像……因為前一陣子經濟還是很resilient、強韌的時候，物價沒辦法下來，所以市場一度認為它大概今年是不會降。不過最近又有一點變化，它的經濟確實是有在slow down、有在下來，而且它通膨的控制也是在慢慢地…… |
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賴委員士葆：所以降息刺激經濟…… |
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楊總裁金龍：所以現在市場上也在講，可能它9月份會降息喔！ |
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賴委員士葆：你同意了喔？ |
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楊總裁金龍：不是，市場的話，那我們也是……我同意不同意，因為這個我沒辦法明確地去預測…… |
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賴委員士葆：以你專家的角度同意啊！這樣子而已。那麼困難！ |
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楊總裁金龍：不過這種方向，降息的話，因為Fed主要成員都一直認為，就是它現在的利率已經足夠高了，不會再升息，只會往下。 |
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賴委員士葆：那我們的利率會不會也是足夠高了？ |
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楊總裁金龍：跟委員報告，我們的情況是跟美國稍微有點不太一樣，但是…… |
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賴委員士葆：我們利率不高？ |
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楊總裁金龍：但是我跟委員…… |
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賴委員士葆：我問你啊！因為時間有限。我們利率不高？ |
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楊總裁金龍：好，我跟委員報告，事實上我們現在的利率是15年以來最高。 |
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賴委員士葆：最高。 |
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楊總裁金龍：15年半以來。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以隱含的意思，楊總裁今天的話裡面就隱含有降息的空間，這樣講…… |
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楊總裁金龍：我也沒有這麼說，我的意思就是說我們要不要降息，要看我們通膨率，要看通膨…… |
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賴委員士葆：好啦！我這樣說你不能否認嘛？ |
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楊總裁金龍：呃…… |
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賴委員士葆：你不要否認啦！你的報告裡面，我讀一段，你說要參考地緣政治調整貨幣政策，結果國際危機組織說臺海局勢非常地惡化，請問你怎麼樣調整貨幣政策？地緣政治。 |
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楊總裁金龍：我跟委員報告，這個惡化不惡化，有些時候我們從金融市場，當然實際上是不是惡化，這個我不……但是我們觀察的是金融市場。不過我跟委員報告，以目前來看的話，我們金融市場是沒有受到影響。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以不必調整？ |
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楊總裁金龍：那也不……這個也不是這麼說。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以不必調整？ |
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楊總裁金龍：這個都會討論。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，所以就你來講，是沒有惡化嘛！ |
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楊總裁金龍：沒有。 |
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賴委員士葆：但國外的組織認為臺海惡化，這是國際組織他們的看法。 |
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請問你，今天股市又大漲，當然漲了大家就高興。你會不會擔心股市過熱，你有提到ETF，這個你的對策是什麼？ |
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楊總裁金龍：我想是這樣子，股市一般來講的話，因為基本上股市過熱，也許它就會做correction。 |
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賴委員士葆：現在沒有過熱？我問你啊！ |
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楊總裁金龍：但是我跟委員報告，因為同樣的匯率跟股市都是全球連動，我們台股之所以現在也是很bullish，就是很那個……事實上美國也是這樣，全球也都是這樣子。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以等於是全球股市都在漲…… |
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楊總裁金龍：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以臺灣沒有過熱的問題，是不是可以這樣講？ |
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楊總裁金龍：我也不敢說它就是……因為要判斷它過熱或不過熱，有些時候是很難的，我也不能……因為你看全球都是在漲啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：因為大家會擔心過熱以後就泡沫化啊！ |
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楊總裁金龍：它會correction。所以一般來講的話，對於市場，主管機關特別是金管會，我相信它都會說居高思危，對投資人來講都是居高思危…… |
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賴委員士葆：那你要不要也公開講一下居高思危？ |
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楊總裁金龍：當然啦！也是居高思危。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以現在已經高了喔？ |
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楊總裁金龍：算是，如果以歷史來…… |
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賴委員士葆：很高了！ |
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楊總裁金龍：以歷史來看的話，現在我們的股市，我跟委員報告，基本上我們是歷史新高，對不對？日本也是歷史新高。 |
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賴委員士葆：美國。 |
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楊總裁金龍：美國也是歷史新高，歐洲也是歷史新高。 |
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賴委員士葆：有一個講法，美國大選是今年11月，是不是？ |
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楊總裁金龍：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：11月之前全球的金融市場都會繼續好，這個你同意嗎？ |
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楊總裁金龍：這個我……金融市場你只能說…… |
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賴委員士葆：股市。 |
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楊總裁金龍：金融市場，你只能很密切地去關注它，你不要去做太那個的什麼預測，有些時候當然我們是私下預測，但公開的預測是不必要的。 |
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賴委員士葆：你也常常在預測，你不就在打自已嘴巴？ |
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楊總裁金龍：沒有，但是我們的貨幣政策，我們要預測CPI、預測經濟成長率，這個是我們的職責。而預測股市，這個不是我們的職責。 |
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賴委員士葆：你先不要講，請經濟部次長一起。 |
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主席：請經濟部林次長。 |
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賴委員士葆：楊總裁，還是請問你，現在房市是不是過熱？你擔不擔心房市過熱？因為股市一直漲啊！大家賺了錢，房市一直推新高。 |
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楊總裁金龍：我想我們還是密切注意，6月13日理事會也會討論這個議題。 |
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賴委員士葆：外界關心，你的信用管制措施會不會再祭出來？ |
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楊總裁金龍：我們會討論這個議題，6月13日就一定會公布。 |
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賴委員士葆：外面也有傳言說，你把豪宅的標準，原來是臺北市七千萬，降為六千萬，貸款成數會降低…… |
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楊總裁金龍：我跟委員報告，從選擇性信用管制以來，我們都會找一些專家學者以及銀行來座談，瞭解一般的市場狀況。這次我們一樣是這樣子做，6月13日理監事會的時候也會討論這個議題。 |
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賴委員士葆：我就是一句話：不排除祭出選擇性信用管制？ |
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楊總裁金龍：這個到時候就會知道了。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，謝謝。 |
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楊總裁金龍：謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：次長，我問你一句話就好。 |
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林次長全能：委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：昨天你們經濟部的長官郭部長公開說了，只要修法通過，核二、核三可以延役，你知道這個事嗎？ |
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林次長全能：我有看昨天整個轉播。 |
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賴委員士葆：媒體這麼大的報導，都有啊！ |
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林次長全能：是，我有看昨天的轉播。 |
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賴委員士葆：但我就是請你轉告部長一句話，趕快提修法！ |
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林次長全能：委員，我們…… |
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賴委員士葆：你們沒有提修法喔，你不能擺爛喔！說在野黨修法，在野黨修，修好以後又去罵在野黨，變成我們搭一個舞台讓你下樓梯，然後你又來罵，這東西不能這樣操作，這樣操作人民是不能接受的。 |
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林次長全能：委員，要修法的是核子反應器設施管制法。 |
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賴委員士葆：對啊、對啊！修第六條。 |
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林次長全能：不是經濟部主管的，經濟部沒辦法提出修法。 |
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賴委員士葆：你要他們跨部會講一下或者請民進黨團提，對不對？現在沒有法，對不對？所以這個話是空話，如果你今天這種態度的話，就叫打假球，經濟部長這叫打假球。 |
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林次長全能：我想我只是就法律的部分跟委員回答。 |
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賴委員士葆：對，那要解決的話，怎麼會一個行政部門的高官說：這個不是我主管。你去協調啊！還不簡單？你去協調這個東西還不簡單，對不對？請民進黨團提案就好了。現在來講，國民黨團提案給你們，你們也不去修、也不去處理，然後講個空話，這句叫空話，你告訴部長，他如果沒有積極修法就叫做空話，就是政客，知道嗎？謝謝。 |
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主席：好，謝謝。 |
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現在質詢請郭國文召委。 |
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委員會-11-1-20-16 |
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羅明才 |
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林德福 |
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吳秉叡 |
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賴士葆 |
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郭國文 |
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賴惠員 |
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顏寬恒 |
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李彥秀 |
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王鴻薇 |
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李坤城 |
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黃珊珊 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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王世堅 |
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羅明才 |
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林楚茵 |
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廖先翔 |
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謝衣鳯 |
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葉元之 |
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陳玉珍 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀邀請中央銀行楊總裁金龍就「日圓貶值效應會否導致亞洲貨幣競貶，及對台灣經濟影響」進行
專題報告，並備質詢；另邀請經濟部列席備詢 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請央行的楊總裁請楊總裁 |
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我們理事會下個禮拜開嘛對沒有錯那現在看起來今天歐洲央行理事會所渴望降息外界的揣測加拿大已經降息了開啟新聞的第一槍那歐洲央行一般估算是跟進事實上瑞士瑞士前一陣子也降息瑞士所以應該可以降息他們會降息 |
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我們會討論在6月13日因為很抱歉我就說剛好就是說我們這10天之內我們接默契第一個接默契第二個也就是說那是委員會嘛委員會的話委員討論的結果才會在那一天才會公佈嘛所以我現在在講的話也不見得就是這樣子 |
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可是你會參考這些吧?那當然當然那當然我們也會就是說是怎麼樣整個全球我們會考慮就是全球的整個的經濟情況是怎麼樣第二個呢全球的主要的央行他的貨幣政策的一個的主向是怎麼樣這個都我們都會討論的 |
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一般預估下週美國Fed不會降息因為現在市場是覺得就是說應該是還是不會因為CPI控制得合宜因為剛剛我也在講現在看起來好像因為前一陣子前一陣子它一直那個經濟還是很很還很強韌的時候強韌的時候那物價沒辦法下來所以市場一度認為就是說它大概今年是 |
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所以降息 促使經濟所以他現在也是市場上也在講就是說可能他9月份喔可能9月份會降息喔 |
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賴士葆 |
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因為他這個費的這些的主要的成員都一直認為就是說他現在的利率已經是足夠的高了不會再升息只會往下我們的利率會不會足夠高 |
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我跟委員報告我們的情況是跟美國稍微有點不太一樣但是我跟委員報告事實上我們現在利率是15年以來15年半以來的最高 |
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最高15年半以來所以隱含的意思楊總裁今天的話裡面就隱含有降息的空間?我也沒有這麼說我的意思就是說我們要不要降息要看我們通膨率要看我們通膨率我這樣說你不能否認嘛 |
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要參考地緣政治調整貨幣的政策 |
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結果國際危機組織說台灣台海局勢惡化很非常的惡化請問你怎麼樣調整貨幣政策我跟委員報告這個惡化不惡化有些時候我們從金融市場有些時候就是說當然事實上實際上是不是惡化這個我問但是呢我們觀察的是金融市場 |
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我們是觀察的是金融市場但是我跟委員報告以目前來看的話我們金融市場是沒有受到影響的 |
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所以不必調整不必調整這個都會討論的啦這個都會討論的好所以就你來講沒有惡化啦但是國外的組織認為台海惡化這是國際的組織他們看的來請問你今天股市又大漲當然漲就大家高興了你會不會擔心股市過熱你就有提到ETF你有提到ETF那這個 |
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你的對策是什麼?我想是這樣子的齁股市齁股市一般來講的話只要只要因為基本上股市齁跟跟股市過熱齁也許他就會做correction啦現在有沒有過熱現在有沒有過熱但是呢我跟委員報告因為齁一樣的匯率跟股市齁都是全球聯動 |
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所以等於是全球股市都在漲?所以台灣沒有過熱的問題?怎麼可以這樣講?我也不敢就是說他就是因為要判斷他過熱不過熱有些時候是很難的 |
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我相信他都會說居高思維 |
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賴士葆賴士葆賴士葆賴 |
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我跟委員報告啦基本上我們是歷史新高 對不對日本也是歷史新高美國也是歷史新高歐洲也是歷史新高有一個講法說美國大選美國大選今年11月嘛是吧11月之前全球的金融市場都會繼續好這個你同意嗎 |
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金融市場你只能說你只能說很密切密切的去關注它你不要去做太那個的那個什麼預測有些時候當然我們是私下預測但是公開的預測是不必要的 |
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450.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
請經濟部林次長楊總裁請問你 |
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474.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
483.815 |
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你有沒有 現在房市是不是過日房市你擔不擔心房市過日因為股市一直漲啊大家欠賺啊房市一直推新高 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
485.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
488.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
外界關係說你的信用管制措施會不會再激出來外面也有在傳言說 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
508.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
511.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
從我們選擇性信用管制以來我們都會找一些專家學者還有銀行我們都會來座談瞭解一些要一般的那個什麼市場的一個狀況 |
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533.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
534.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
昨天的經濟部的你們長官 郭部長他公開說了 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
560.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
572.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
他說只要修法通過．何二何三可以研議你知道這個事吧?媒體這麼大的報導都有啊但我就是請你轉告部長一句話趕快提修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
581.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
586.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
委員那個修法那個是核子管制設施的辦法不是經濟部主管的經濟部沒有辦法去提出修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
607.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
622.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
啊你要他們誇部會講一下啊叫或者請民進黨團的提啊 對不對啊現在沒有法喔 對不對啊所以這個話叫空話如果你今天這種態度的話那就要打假球 |
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650.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
我想,我想我只是就法律的部分跟委員會打架。對啊,那要解決的話,怎麼會一個就在行政部門的高官會說,哎呀,這個不是我主管,你去協調啊,還不簡單。你協調這個東西還不簡單。對不對,請民進黨的提案就好了。對不對,現在來講國民黨的提案了給你們。啊你們也不要去修,也不要去處理。啊然後呢? |
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653.026 |
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郭國文 郭昭瑋 |