| IVOD_ID |
153613 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153613 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
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| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-05T11:40:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-05T11:51:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/18e54f584c581c981559b6c08ea59a34a6cabf0dc0d1a8b711da973c502cee628d27e5ce63abe3e25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:40:41 - 11:51:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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邱委員志偉：（11時40分）謝謝主席，有請經濟部郭部長。 |
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主席：請郭部長。 |
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邱委員志偉：部長早。昨天我夜觀天象，整個AI的風是往南方吹、整個AI的雲系都集中在高雄上空。我也深諳天理，除了觀天象也要知道天理，天理變幻無常，不要拘泥於特定地方，條件好的地方就優先考量。雖然賴瑞隆說是亞灣，但不見得是亞灣，只要是在高雄就好，我的格局比較大。因為夜觀天象以及我深諳天理，對於天理我們要遵從，天象則是給我們指引。最近陽明交大在高雄設立分校，在蓮潭會館那個基地，我沒有說要設在橋頭，只要設在高雄，能夠培養整個AI生態系，不見得是輝達，其他AI相關的國際重要廠商，像是AMD、Supermicro等等，這個都有可能啊！但是我們一定要戮力以為啊！在這方面做最多的絕對是高雄市、絕對是陳其邁市長，他的國際招商能力、國際招商的企圖及國際招商的成果都是有目共睹，所以天象顯現出來，部長，你同意嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：所有地方的條件應該是業者所選擇的，剛剛您說在南部，我想方向吹到那裡，大概他們也會走到那裡。 |
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邱委員志偉：南部的高雄。 |
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郭部長智輝：因為高雄非常的大、高雄非常的大…… |
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邱委員志偉：就是設在中心，也就是在蓮潭會館那個地方，陽明交大剛剛核定設立分校，人才沒有問題，也沒有缺水的問題，更沒有缺電的問題，我們有興達電廠，還有很多再生能源、漁電共生以及大林埔。 |
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郭部長智輝：我想他們…… |
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邱委員志偉：台電曾文生曾董事長，如果AI生態園區設在高雄會不會有缺電的問題？會不會有缺電的問題？我們問董事長，因為董事長最了解，董事長，會不會有缺電的問題？ |
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曾董事長文生：高雄有4個電廠。 |
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邱委員志偉：所以沒有缺電的問題？ |
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曾董事長文生：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：水公司，董事長，會不會有缺水的問題？ |
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李董事長嘉榮：報告委員，水公司會全力以赴。 |
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邱委員志偉：全力以赴就代表沒有問題。萬事俱備，只欠東風，而東風又由部長這邊吹出來。 |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，選擇高雄或是選擇南部，對業者而言，他們有充分的核算。 |
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邱委員志偉：但政府的立場也很重要…… |
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郭部長智輝：剛剛你講的幾個條件，應該都是他們考量的範疇，所以我剛才說了，花若盛開，蝴蝶自來，如果你的條件非常好，他們就會進來。 |
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邱委員志偉：現在已經盛開了，蝴蝶正往高雄飛。 |
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郭部長智輝：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：水利署署長，這是水利署的專業，我在星期一去考察，113年應急包括駁二有很多，駁二1.62億，這個我都親自去看過，對於易淹水地區你們要加強補助啊！你只核定了4,000萬，昨天我去看筆秀排水第一期、第二期，缺口大概是1.4億，這個攸關生命財產安全，橋頭科學園區也關係到產業的發展，署長，這個1.4億，橋科的筆秀排水要優先補助，可以嗎？ |
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賴署長建信：對，如委員所說的，筆秀排水鄰近於橋頭園區，我們第三期的部分已經優先在做了。 |
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邱委員志偉：我知道、我知道…… |
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賴署長建信：你在星期一看到的二期的部分，我們在前瞻五期的部分會再優先依照評比的次序做考量。 |
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邱委員志偉：另外，前進湖內、入主岡山的易淹水地區，每一案我都親自去看過，你們沒有支持，所以我希望今年能夠納入應急工程，這幾項總共1.62億，再拜託！部長，你也稍微了解一下。 |
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賴署長建信：好，我們會盤點一下，這個年底會再做…… |
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邱委員志偉：未來北高雄這些選區都是S廊帶的核心區或周邊區，不能有淹水的問題，一定要澈底解決淹水的問題，所以經費一定要到位，謝謝署長。 |
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經濟部何次長有來嗎？有沒有代理的人？關於新創的國際創業聚落，你們在林口設立新創區、在高雄設立亞灣新創區，上一回我質詢王部長的時候，你們答應在北高雄也籌備一個北高雄新創區，目前的進度為何？ |
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陳代理署長秘順：報告委員，南科要在橋頭設園區…… |
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邱委員志偉：有什麼進度？ |
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陳代理署長秘順：關於這一塊，我們會再與南科管理局那邊做了解。 |
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邱委員志偉：你們要有進度，而且隨時讓我知道，好嗎？ |
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陳代理署長秘順：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：台電，興達電廠相關的運轉一延再延，特別是燃氣機組，曾董事長，這次燃氣的商轉時間會不會再往後延？ |
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曾董事長文生：目前我們的規劃應該是在第三季就會點火、第四季就會完成並接受調度。 |
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邱委員志偉：一延再延，本來是今年2月延到今年12月。 |
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曾董事長文生：委員長期都很關心，應該也很清楚，因為我們是在鹽灘地上興建，其實在地質的部分花了比較多的時間，中間也遇到了疫情，不過我們現在的工程進度在後面的幾步就能加速往前了。 |
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邱委員志偉：儘量不要拖太久，趕快銜接上來。另外，明年3號、4號燃煤機組除役之後，它會轉備用或是徹底除役？ |
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曾董事長文生：報告委員，我們在環評的承諾上明確的寫到，明年開始它會變成備用機組，也就是在備轉8%以下才會啟動。 |
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邱委員志偉：必要的時候，也就是備轉容量8%以下，你才會考慮再啟動？ |
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曾董事長文生：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：所以它算是活火山的概念，對不對？ |
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曾董事長文生：應該說它就是一個熱機備援的概念。 |
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邱委員志偉：好，我了解。另外，再請問部長，你的「境外關內」是過去部長沒有提到的，所謂的境外關內，境外就是非國內，一定是在國外，有哪些國家重點地區已經成形了？或者你們有沒有目標的區域或目標國家，你要在這些國家或區域推動你所謂境外關內的概念？ |
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郭部長智輝：首先，我們是以半導體台積電先去的國家為我們的首選。 |
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邱委員志偉：九州嗎？九州嗎？九州嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：九州、美國德州及歐洲的捷克。 |
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邱委員志偉：捷克、美國及九州是你們未來首要推動境外關內概念的三個地方，對不對？關內就是它的所有稅都比照國內的待遇，是不是這樣子？ |
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郭部長智輝：基本上，我們主要是幫助它在國外的發展過程中能在當地國談到一些稅負的減免，因為它在當地國的生產銷售可以連結回來臺灣的業績，當然這樣子…… |
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邱委員志偉：完全是關內的待遇？ |
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郭部長智輝：對。 |
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邱委員志偉：是關內的概念，它的待遇、條件就等於在國內投資一樣嘛！ |
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郭部長智輝：對。 |
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邱委員志偉：如果你的設廠基地是在九州，是熊本嗎？還是九州的哪裡？ |
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郭部長智輝：不在熊本。 |
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邱委員志偉：不在熊本，在九州的某一縣？ |
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郭部長智輝：在九州……地點還沒有與當地洽談。 |
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邱委員志偉：捷克會在哪裡？ |
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郭部長智輝：布拉格。 |
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邱委員志偉：美國會在哪裡？ |
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郭部長智輝：德州。 |
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邱委員志偉：德州。 |
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郭部長智輝：這個是暫定的地方。 |
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邱委員志偉：大概什麼時候會成形？成形的階段？ |
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郭部長智輝：我們會在這個幾個月將它完全定型化。 |
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邱委員志偉：最後一題，關於SHOPLINE，恐怕部長不是那麼了解，我就直接問投審司的司長，大家對於SHOPLINE中資的相關疑問，目前有沒有違反我們外資管理的規定？ |
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楊司長淑玲：報告委員，關於這個案子上層結構的部分，我們還在了解、還在行政調查當中。 |
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邱委員志偉：還在行政調查？ |
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楊司長淑玲：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：還有潛在的風險，你們要注意喔！像是隱私外洩的風險等等，你們可能要注意。 |
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楊司長淑玲：好，謝謝委員的提醒。 |
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邱委員志偉：我們知道所有的中資都要經過嚴格的檢視或審查，什麼時候會出來呢？ |
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楊司長淑玲：我們儘量努力。 |
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邱委員志偉：好，謝謝，我很遵守時間。 |
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主席：我知道，我正要稱讚你而已！部長請回座休息，謝謝邱志偉委員。 |
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接下來請洪申翰委員發言。 |
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昨天我一夜觀天象 |
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整個AI整個風是往南方吹整個AI的雲系都集中在高雄上空這個我也深愛天理你要觀天象也要知道天理天理變幻無常不要拘泥於特定地方條件好的地方優先考量當然那個人說是雅灣不見得是雅灣只要在高雄就好 |
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最近陽明交大在高雄設立分校聯談會館基地我沒有說要設在橋頭 |
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只要是在高雄﹖對整個AI生態系能夠培養﹖不見得是回答其他的AI相關的這個﹖國際的重要廠商﹖AMD﹖Super Michael﹖這都有可能啊﹖但是我們一定要努力以為啊﹖這個做得最多的我覺得是高雄市﹖我覺得是陳一邁市長﹖ |
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國際招商能力﹑企圖﹑成果有目共睹﹑天象顯現出來 |
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邱志偉 |
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會不會有缺電問題?會不會缺電問題?我請董事長,董事長最了解,會不會缺電問題? |
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高雄有三個店長,四個店長,所以沒有缺點問題,水公司?會不會缺水的問題?各位報告,水公司我們會全力以赴,全力以赴就代表沒有問題,萬事皆被只欠東風,東風又由部長這邊吹出來 |
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我向這個委員報告,就是選擇高雄或者是選擇南部,我想對這個業者來講,他們有充分的這個合算。這個您剛才講的,您舉的那幾個條件,應該都是他們考量的這個範疇。 |
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所以我剛才有舉這個花若盛開,蝴蝶自然,如果你的條件剛好,他們就會進來。現在已經盛開了,蝴蝶陣往高雄飛。來,那個水利署,署長。這個水利署的專業,我想這個,我星期一剛才考察,這個113年應急啊,你把我駁回很多啊。 |
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主席 |
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阿對 如委員所說的筆秀排水臨近於橋頭園區阿那我們第三期的部分已經優先在做那你禮拜一去看那個二期的部分我們在前瞻的五期的部分阿這個會在優先依照評比的次序來做考量另外協定湖內鹿竹岡山這一淹水地區我每一案子有親自去看過阿你們沒有支持那我希望說今年能夠納入應急工程 |
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經濟部次長何次長 |
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332.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
353.48 |
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新創啊新創你們在這個國際創業聚落你們在林口設立新創區然後在這個高雄要設立亞灣新創區上一回我諮詢這個王部長的時候你們也擔心在北高雄也籌備一個北高雄新創區目前進度為何 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
354.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
357.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
新達電廠的這些相關的運轉一延再延 特別是燃氣機組 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
379.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
380.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
藍氣的正式商轉的時間會不會再往後延? |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
386.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
409.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
我們目前就是規劃他12月就他應該是在第三季就會點火第四季就會完成可以接受調控所以一延再延本來是今年2月延到今年12月他就這一個部分是因為我想委員都有清楚因為你長期都在關心嘛因為那個地方我們在鹽灘地上面興建其實地質的部分花了比較多時間那中間也遇到了疫情不過 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
410.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
430.504 |
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我們現在工程進度就扣面了幾步就會稍微就可以加速往前你們要盡量不要拖太久趕快銜接上來那現在3號4號的這個藍莓機組你明年除役之後他會轉備用還是就徹底除役跟委員報告就是我們在環評的承諾上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
431.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
431.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
另外再請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
455.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
477.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
部長您這個境外關內境外關內是過去部長沒有提到的境外關內境外就是非國內嘛一定在國外那有哪些國家重點地區已經有成型了或者你們有目標的區域或目標國家你要在這些國家或這些區域 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
478.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
479.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
九州美國德州歐洲捷克 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
499.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
523.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
所以你在這些捷克美國跟九州這三個是你們未來所要推動的三個境外關內的這個概念嘛對不對關內就是說他的所有的稅是比照於國內待遇喔是不是這樣子基本上我們讓他在外面主要幫助他就是他在國外發展的過程裡面我們幫他在當地國可以談到一些這個稅負的這個減免 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
525.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
525.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
﹚邱志偉﹚ |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
550.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
575.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
在九州地點還沒有跟這個然後捷克會在哪裡在布拉格美國會在哪裡德州這個是暫定的地方這是成型之後大概會什麼時候成型應該是我講我們會在這幾個月裡面把它完全定型化另外最後一題這個是投審師 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
581.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
596.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
市長我問一下這個這個恐怕部長你不是那麼瞭解我直接問一下市長這SHOPLINE的中資啊的相關的大家的疑問目前有沒有違反我們外資管理規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
597.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
624.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
各位報告因為這個案子它的上層結構的部分我們還在了解還在行政調查當中還在行政調查所以還有潛在的風險你們要注意隱私外資的風險這些你們可能要注意好謝謝委員提醒我們知道所有的外資都要中資都要透過嚴格的這個這個的檢視或是審查所以還在什麼時候會出來呢我們盡量努力好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
626.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
626.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
邱志偉委員 |