| IVOD_ID |
15361 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15361 |
| 日期 |
2024-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2024010579 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
10 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-01-08T08:30:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-01-08T10:02:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:31:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院黨團協商（事由：研商「第十屆第八會期第一次臨時會」相關事宜（國民黨黨團提議）） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:16 - 10:02:00 |
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立法院黨團協商會議今天會議的主題是研商委員曾明中等37人所提召開第十屆第八會期第一次臨時會的相關事宜案接下來我們就來開始先請提案人好 院長各位同仁大家好 |
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本席會同37位國民黨團提出要召開臨時會那為什麼要召開臨時會以下是我們的具體理由第一點是賴清德總統候選人在12月30號說有關高端的契約要公佈 |
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來釐清外界的爭議 這第一點第二點就是 |
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這個企業有沒有圖利特定廠商第三點就是過去這疫苗也打了但是外國都不接受所以到底當時購買的高端的疫苗到底有沒有符合國際的標準能不能確保國人的權益這三件事情我們黨團建議召開臨時會邀請陳正遠院長 |
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來立法院講清楚說明板給國人一個具體的交代其實我可以講得更細一點其實假設政府要培植國內的疫苗產業國民黨團強力支持但是可以比照過去國民黨時代培植台積電的方式你補助他你補助他 |
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你要補助他五億十億二十億 國民黨團都支持但是你不能為了要培植高端阻礙我們國人要捐贈疫苗也好 或者購買疫苗也好過去你看連工商協進會 連慈濟連活光山要捐給黨真的是拿人民的健康開玩笑 |
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第二點就是我手上這個是高端公司的整個交易的情況從2020年的27塊炒到20215月31號的417塊到現在 |
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只是雙位數啦 這個過程當中 多少的散戶受傷慘重但是都不願意啊 這個我都查檢調 查一查這邊的內心因為現在檢調在你們手上 而這裡而且更何況金管會移送了九次資料 我這裡是比較 把九次裡面比較嚴重的 |
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跟大家來報告第一個是一百零九年十二月三十一號高端疫苗公告終止跟馬來西亞MCV公司備忘錄的協議你看那當時是十二月三十一號那十二月 |
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另外更誇張的是110年5月13號 |
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6點半那一天蔡英文總統宣布預計7月底可以開始供應第一波國產疫苗那一天是6點半才開記者會其實我們來看一看5月10號交易量是2118張5月11號交易量跳到 |
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七千兩百七十八張五月十二號跳到一萬三千五百五十八張五月十三號跳到一萬六千一百零八張我這說沒有內線交易我真的不相信本人當過金管會檢察局局長金管會主委這個說沒有內線交易我真的不相信 |
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另外,114.6月10日,高端疫苗宣布新冠肺炎疫苗二期臨床試驗期間分析數據的解盲 |
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你看6月7號交易量是2,301張6月8號交易量又跳升到8,740張6月9號跳到7,439張6月11號交易量只有355張你說這個沒有內地交易檢調查一查說沒有檢調在你們手上要查就查 不查就不查啦 |
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所以我還是這樣 很多的散戶 罵死了從27塊漲到417塊 現在又跌下來多少散戶 損失慘重這哪有公平正義 謝謝 |
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邱總長謝謝院長還有各黨團黨編我想今天協商的重點是要來召開臨時會針對高端採購合約還有相關國人的疑慮要進行臨時會的召開那我們先表達臺灣民眾黨團的立場我們要求也是贊成要儘速召開臨時會並且邀請行政院陳建仁院長到國會來做專案報告 |
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報告的內容包含這個高端疫苗的採購合約的相關細節的公開第二個就是針對相關這個過程中EUA的申請還有高端這個研發的一個過程甚至是剛剛提到的有股價異常的波動是不是有圖利特定的廠商等等那另一個方面針對這個要害損害的賠償其實這幾個 |
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主張都應該在這次的臨時會專案報告中向國人說清楚講明白我們重申台灣民眾黨絕對贊成國家發展戰略物資疫苗的國產疫苗的一個開發但是不能接受的是這過程中的不夠公開透明甚至是不是有土地特定廠商那高端 |
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身為一個上市公司其實他對於政府的採購案他有對國人說明的義務跟權益所以我們認為他本來就應該要公開透明但是兩年前高端卻說是衛福部要求不公開那衛福部到底為什麼這麼害怕我們可以看到其實這一次包含這個在總統辯論會的時候賴清德總統候選人他也公開贊成說這個他同意 |
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要來公開相關的合約但是我們看到行政院的這個副院長鄭文燦副院長說衛福部跟高端會協商公佈時間由兩者決定那可以說是兩邊互相甩過來甩過去那行政院院長也先放訊息說合約公開必須高端開股東會同意那衛福部的薛瑞元也打臉說解密需要董事會開會決議衛福部將持續跟對方聯繫但是時間無法預測那是什麼樣是 |
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你們如果沒有這個協議的結果你們就不公開了嗎那包含之前的這個衛福部長陳時中也說簽過的合約就可以任意公開嗎而且這批評是對合約的不尊重這種人當總統必然是災難我覺得這個這樣的說法是沒有人可以接受的 |
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那我們這邊也提供一個資訊這個是高端公司他在這個110年5月28號對外發布的重訊會外發布的重訊當時的第六點他就有明確的提到這個相關限制的條款解除者不適用依採購機關的要求合約其他細節不予公開重點在這一句依採購機關的要求 |
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也就是說高端公司在110年的5月28號對外的重訊就已經明確說出了採購合約沒有辦法對外公開是因為針對採購機關的要求那採購機關是誰那就是我們的衛福部嘛就是我們的行政院嘛那到底是誰在打假球到底是誰在甩鍋我們希望這一次可以把它釐清清楚另一個部分到底是封存還是保存我們可以看到這個部分是審計部在這個 |
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第六會期第四次會議的關係文書當時就已經有提出了集管署歷次採購的簽辦文件軍衛件價格分析資料或者依據且部分採購的文件保密期限長達30年以上到140年使得解密那這個不是封存什麼是封存審計部的報告中也明確的指出了所以包含我們談到了近期我們可以看到上次賴清德副總統 |
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８立法院黨團提議８ |
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委員．． |
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第一個採購合約的內容第二個針對股價有沒有異常波動有沒有土地特定廠商還有相關EUA的申請我們可以看到這個高端的大試劑在2020年到2021年從二期臨床的試驗獲准到2021年5月30號簽約採購還有到6月10號公布EUA的標準下午就二期解碼這中間中間其實有太多國人需要瞭解的一個狀況包含我們剛剛講到 |
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是不是也有 這我們其實在前年十一月我們有到監察院去提出這個檢舉案 包含這中間有沒有委託一式中資公司丘與斯來進行二期臨床實驗在這個疫情這麼緊急的狀況下 國人對疫苗需求這麼急迫的狀況下 是不是有一路護航高端 然後來去擋這個海外的這個相關國際已經認證的疫苗 |
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這個其實很多國人都需要瞭解所以我們主張臨時會一定要召開那相關院長報告的內容也不僅止於合約採購的細節應該還要把相關的疑慮都一次講清楚說明白所以這個是民眾黨的基本態度 謝謝好 謝謝邱總召接下來陳嬌華總召副總召謝謝院長 |
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我想高端這個事件從疫情開始就是國產疫苗福祉國產疫苗到現在燒這麼久到2024大選前還有很多沒有釐清那我在這個過程中聽到聽到民眾抱怨執政黨 |
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最多之一就是疫苗包括高端這個事情所以我們看到全面執政那全面執政即使有做錯事情不敢公開隱瞞我覺得這也是國人對於執政黨的不滿非常不滿所以現在大家會喊出不要過半 |
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三黨不過半 四黨不過半當然我們也希望大家支持時代力量當然要過5%我們還在努力那今天我要表達的不管幾黨不過半不要傲慢啊你即使八年執政過半 |
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像這麼簡單的事情拖這麼久我覺得柯總召真的要負最大的責任不公開啊2021年未完委員會成立調閱專案小組那很多重要的資訊衛福部都遮蔽全黑土黑為什麼衛福部敢把它土黑一定是柯總召同意的啊縱容這些行政部門這麼的多這麼的 |
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蠻憨都是被柯總召你寵壞了啊所以剛剛我們聽到 邱總召說的高端 可以公開啊就是採購單位 我們衛福部不敢那陳時中在怕什麼 |
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所以今天我們希望盡快公開盡快公開搞不好可以救我們執政黨的選情不要再隱瞞了我覺得高登這個事情讓很多國人都受不了講都講不清楚每次都用這個過半的表決來否定該 |
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公開透明的事情 也是我們非常不滿司法改革 隱蔽者保護法 到這一屆都不願意送進來都是柯總召把行政部門 把行政院都寵壞了甚至監察院也不查 司法也不查 我們非常不滿身為在野黨 我們還是要把這個事情講清楚 |
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所以今天時代力量我們支持要召開臨時會．盡快來公布高端所有的合約．甚至包括司法改革的進度．還有這次選舉．所有的查會．反屆選的這個結果．都要一併來報告．以上 謝謝好 謝謝接下來顧總召 顧總召完了以後就賴委員 |
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院長、各位政黨代表我剛才只是聆聽陳佳浩委員都有多所恭維事實上已經可能你自己都搞不清楚你在講什麼話 |
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你不要批評人喔,講不清楚,我剛剛不是講很清楚你講話我就不講話,你怎麼跟我講話?你媽媽我都沒意見,但是我要說明一件事,你總是想我聽一下好不好這是民主社會是這樣嘛,什麼事都說我也沒關係啦,但是事實上不是這樣一回事嘛黨團有黨團的立場嘛 |
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3441.3 |
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今天有新任立場各部會有各部會立場但是我剛才講聽了就是說第一點齁在上禮拜三齁當中鄭文忠總召提出要召開臨時會那我一直覺得很悶辣齁那既然要召開臨時會的時候那當然我們必須我回答很清楚那就 |
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有關於高端的事情,包括疫苗的事情,至少我們經過百人大議,我們國人一起努力,好不容易走出這裏 |
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3494.267 |
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但在中間我們一直看到 國民黨在一黨一直拿國人健康來做消費來做供給武器這是非常不道德 到今天為止還在這樣搞那所謂什麼包庇啊等等 什麼EUA還要從頭到尾再講英文 |
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這代表什麼呢?在我個人看法,就是說,國民黨是不是選情告急的?或與這個選情告急,這個要轉移凱旋醫院或是基礎圖利的問題,而所請農祭求嘛,所以說敗鄉與陸啦。因為選舉到最後已經是在審某幾百個同學題目以為這個是可以翻版嗎? |
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這個題目已經吵了兩年多了那各位在黨現在還在講這個什麼檢察官是我們在指揮的這已經有六十個案子已經移送檢調都不起訴我們把這從頭到尾讓他冷靜來想一想今天國家面對這個我們能夠走出來 |
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我沒有阻擋 阻擋購買疫苗 當初BNT疫苗是國安局 國安台沒去處理的啊大家都努力在買疫苗當然 國安協議會是要買台灣疫苗 但這些都已經說下去了這個題目也不是新的題目 也不是新的戰場 |
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大事我是覺得國民黨心虛,閒情告急,這是我的看法至於王榮維他講說我召集行政部門以及行政部門來開會本來就是這麼一回事其實這是一體,行政立法是一體,面對臨時會的時候 |
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突然 國民黨要開臨時會當然我們必須要交換意見嘛包括我相信 國民黨這次要開召開臨時會 後裔也知道啊這選擇的官方本來就是 大家各陣營都質疑會有所因應嘛 這沒有什麼不可告人之事搞得好像他們來看我 這就是一個什麼必然的樣子國民黨已經是說 荒村亂離啦 殺無門可殺 毆不活啦這是我的看法 |
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好 謝謝有關於高端的事情運馬的事情我再做一個簡單的描述過去 行政議員做專案報告已經灑白了剛才也談到第二小組蔣萬安或是後來陳一貞已經兩次第二小組 大家都看過一計多少錢 八百多塊都很清楚沒有說必然不必然況且 |
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3626.519 |
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3627.762 |
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在議員的責任報告裡面,總共有16次責任報告,換句話說 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
3635.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
3641.885 |
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張安邦報告六次十六次吼吼吼吼吼吼吼吼吼吼吼吼吼吼吼吼吼 |
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那 審計部 審計部也做出了 也做出了啦現在所有的資訊 合約全部在審計部在監裁院那前兩天 上前兩天 二部部長去告你都會說 也把整個合約全部送給你 |
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所以對於今天 |
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接下來我們要談的就是說,我們談經驗程序嘛,差不多每個工程都知道每個意思,我看是這樣,因為我們今天也很滿發小動,我們也發小動,當然等一下我們回去開一個黨黨會議,馬上有結論。 |
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結果說我們就來處理這個黨派會不管開不開都要舉辦黨派會開就開,不開就是大家表決負責但是我們會馬上有很清楚的答案因為這個不可能不面對我的看法就是說,差不多這樣子我們在這裡在中央相對盤馬上馬上馬上馬上馬上 |
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好 謝謝接下來賴委員 |
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3773.311 |
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謝謝幾位總召還有我們想在第八會期最後又臨時會召開的這個可能性我覺得還是要珍惜因為畢竟國會還是國人知的權利裡面最直接的地方那剛剛我聽柯總召意思應該是不排斥這樣子我想是一個正向的態度不管等一下你們黨團會如果這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3795.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
如果等一下你們黨團會議能夠從善如流我覺得也是還大家一個所謂在知的權利上的公道因為我看到我們的前衛福部長陳時中他之前在1月3號他也支持趕快公佈合約畢竟這是在他任內大家對他質疑最多的地方 |
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那如果今天剛剛我們的這個陳江華委員說柯總召太寵行政單位那我希望我們真的不要寵高端公司畢竟這是一個民間的公司但是他拿了國家這個多的研究經費跟採購的疫苗費用這個公司必須要公開透明讓國人知道到底他的合約裡面在行政部門也好在他自己的所謂剛剛重訓等等的這個涉及內線的疑雲也好他也必須要對國人 |
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畢竟他是一個上市的公司第二個我相信我們還是要記憶猶新剛剛雖然柯總召講了幾次可是我還是要講第一次在未還委員會我們在5月30號110年5月31號當要通過這個COVID-19的防治及紓困特別條例的時候我們黨團就已經主張能夠透過以前像疫苗採購調閱委員會的方式來實踐我們的監督權 |
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3881.195 |
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當時也是被科總招號重重的就是否決那最後變成疫苗採購的調閱小組那本人是小組成員我是關鍵一票所以我們在未還委員會有調閱小組但很可惜我去看了幾次的合約都是塗黑比較多三分之二左右是塗黑我當時就跟國人講說我想去看的是如果他的採購數量沒有如期交貨到底違約部分怎麼履約 |
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第二 我想看每一季多少錢到底它的這個價格的分析是用什麼資訊通通都看不到所以我覺得今天如果在臨時會也能夠通過整個合約公布出土就不用塗黑讓大家用猜的這個我相信是一個對的方向也希望等一下民進黨黨團能夠把這個所謂合約以不塗黑的方式讓高端公司對社會各界公布以及陳建仁院長 |
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到立院來接受質詢．我相信這才是反黑箱要公正．反黑箱有真相．的一個最好的結果第二個我相信大家國人擔心的還是說重視我們用了這麼多的預算去把國產疫苗吹升出來可是這過程裡面有沒有像 |
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3946.386 |
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解盲未成就公布可以簽約解盲後的當天才出現EUA審查的標準有沒有量身訂做有沒有先設建再劃把這個也要還機關署一個公道不然我想剛剛大家都說 |
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這個衛福部帶領國人走出了百年大義可是一雲重重之下不是也讓他們有了污名化的一個印記這是不對的那我希望我們今天的這個臨時會的決議可以讓大家更面對如果對於一個上市公司的重訓已經讓國人產生疑慮那在總統的辯論裡面總統的候選人等都 |
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相關事宜： |
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好 謝謝接下來鄭總召 鄭總往來就 呃 劉素安委員講 |
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4020.27 |
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4039.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
好 謝謝針對剛剛柯建民總召提到了 國民黨提出這個要召開臨時會 因為外界外界對這個覺得疑雲重重 黑幕重重 尤其是最近高端內部的錄音黨出來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
4042.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
4062.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
國民黨覺得作為在野黨最大在野黨有必要邀請行政院或相關部會來講清楚說明白不是基於國民黨的選情國民黨的選情非常樂觀我們會去執行超過六成五的民眾希望下架民進黨的這個最大共識這是第一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
4063.542 |
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科建民提到了 既然這個資料已經送地檢署 送檢察院那為什麼不送給立法院 這奇怪囉所以藐視立法院 送給地檢署 也送給檢察院那當時公開的是遮遮掩掩 那就直接公佈吧 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
4086.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
4086.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
民主程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
4104.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
4104.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
蔣麗芸 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
4160.79 |
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第一 特別把高端拿出來是不是我們也在變相炒作高端呢曾總召特別提到什麼股價等等這些然後剛剛有特別提到說政黨要全面執政所以有弊端重重然後有提到說這個高端疫苗在技術性上面的緊急EUA等等有沒有什麼議題跟大家報告大家都心知肚明在這一次兩三年以來有關高端的部分 |
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| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
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已經舉行過24次,包括行政院長的報告、疫苗調閱小組、專報跟公聽會,裡面有19次都是國民黨的人當召委或是當主席,還有包括蔣萬安、陳玉珍、張玉美,這些甚至還有費鴻泰,不管是在財政方面,或者是在未還方面,都是報告得非常的清楚。 |
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4186.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
4187.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
外交國防委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
4210.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
4224.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
民進黨的立場有關任何的爭議或是弊案當然要處理我們站在立法院監督行政院的立場上面不管你是在財政方面或者是說在整個的處理程序方面請提出來新的說法 |
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4244.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
新的說法只是說在總統大選辯論的時候賴清德說要公開但是公開也不是倉促的公開公開的時候你在程序要解開之前也要有一定的SOP否則我們就變成獨裁國家啦皇帝照約然後下令馬上就要封存下令馬上就要做解約等等這些其實不對 |
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這就是我們在民主社會裡面的國會運作上面應該有的程序那另外剛剛也提到說檢調是否就是聽這個民進黨的完全相反從這次中國借選我們在偵辦地方上的里長或者是社區委員會等等每一黨都有每一黨都有那如果說很多人在質疑檢調的部分的話我覺得這個其實不符合民主的那個三權分立的權利的分立的原則那剛剛還有人提到 |
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高端內部有錄音黨是否涉及弊案我覺得這種影射的殺傷力在選舉前就是會最強所以既然你們認為裡面確實是有民進黨的官員或是民進黨的若干人涉及弊案的話請直接移送檢調要來偵查最快你也可以說這個企圖影響總統大選可以用選罷法來偵辦不必要遮遮掩掩用影射的方式然後用媒體的傳播的力量 |
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只是用這種片段的訊息來影射民進黨在執政當中所產生的這些議題那我一再重複就是說我們在臨時會裡面我們並不會迴避這個議題但是如果你們一直在講高端公司高端公司高端公司我認為有點變相在炒作高端公司好與壞大家心知肚明那再來就是回應剛剛也是我們在野黨這個陳佳華委員所說的 |
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其實現在民進黨並沒有全面執政在地方政府上面全面執政的叫國民黨十七八個國民黨執政的地方然後那個陳家瑋委你看了很多環保廢棄物的問題難道不就是由國民黨執政的地方首長涉及隱秘涉及貪污等等這些議題嗎其實你也是心知肚明所以不要把所有你們認為弊端的部分全部一股腦然後就推到民進黨的身上我們覺得不以為取謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
張綺路委員 |
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4371.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
4372.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
今天當然我們還是回到正題 需要的是說我們開臨時會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
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最主要是要公布這個高端的合約這個資訊我必須直說啦其實相關的問題我們當然也不贅述了因為我必須這樣跟大家報告我們在2022年11月1號我想台灣民眾黨黨團我們就已經去監察院檢舉了 |
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就是今天談的所有這些問題那我們也知道在檢調已經送了60幾案但是也是沒有任何的結果那如果今天這個現象就是這樣的話我們也只是說為什麼都沒有結果監察院也說因為顯然是那個基礎的資訊就是那份合約根本是欠缺資訊的嘛所以就是因為沒有資訊所以不管誰來做當然都是沒有結果 |
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所以這個才是真問題所以如果現在是這樣講我們當然也奉勸執政黨如果說覺得說問心無愧都沒有任何問題那全部就把它打開嘛那大家再來看嘛我覺得這就是關鍵所以今天其實臨時會的目的就是說資訊到底能不能是透明的是公開的大家能夠來審閱的因為否則的話今天賴委員在之前的委員會也是釣魚小組也看了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
4475.758 |
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全部都是塗黑的 三分之一嗎 還是多少 三分之二塗黑的那很抱歉喔 三分之二塗黑的東西 誰能查得出什麼東西呢那但是事實上 其實我想剛才我們國民黨 我們曾總召也講了其實這個股價是很明顯的一件事 我們在監察院的資料也講得很清楚你看從二十幾塊 到了四百多塊錢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
中間從20億的市值 變成1300億的市值這中間又來來回回這些當然我們就不贅述 但是它就是一個事實到底能不能解除國人的疑慮那坦白說 剛才各位黨面也講了一些政治性的東西我只補充一點點 |
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| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
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政治當然是有攻防 但是說實話 如果大家都覺得說沒有問題 問心無愧 那你就把它公開起來而且事實上坦白說 今天要是執政黨還是不願意公開 我坦白講以坐我們在野黨還蠻高興的 為什麼 那就繼續這樣子 |
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| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
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因為繼續這樣子 我想1月13號倒楣的可能會是執政黨所以我是覺得說當然我們就奉勸說就是把資訊完全打開反正大家能夠看清楚的資訊它是怎麼回事 那往前嘛大家再來有公斷嘛 就是這樣好 以上 |
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主席 |
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大家政治互有攻防但是我們必須強調這次連賴清德副總統也就是我們民進黨總統候選人他都已經公開表達要來去公開相關高端的這些內容所以我們認為這是要讓國人有知的權利因為這不只涉及採購合約包含這中間的這個股價的問題後續要害賠償的問題其實很多國人對這個議題是非常關心的那我剛剛這樣聽起來的話我是認為我們今天的這個差異協商應該回歸到 |
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主題的主軸我們認為還是希望民進黨可以同意來去召開臨時會第二輪發言我想我回應一下我想 |
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民進黨執政八年以來﹐我們接避著保護法﹐不法饋政﹐不法關說﹐一直不願意立法或修法﹐那這個部分﹐我想國人對於司法改革非常失望﹐ |
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4633.318 |
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施拉利漾接壁的禁電試案（包括我們國民黨也一起（來要求禁電試案的這個弊端（在司法（或者是在我們這幾年來的（非常多的提案都被否決封殺（所以（ |
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包括在野黨的失望包括國人的失望我在這裡還是要請執政黨能夠聽進去你們的傲慢或者是你們用這種霸凌式的過半的否決真的是讓非常多人不滿包括國人非常不滿所以 |
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4686.428 |
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今天提到廢棄物提到很多中央我們在修法方面可以處理的包括廢清法我進第十屆立法院我講了非常非常多次廢清法要修才能夠去解決現在非常嚴重的廢棄物的不法的傾倒掩埋但是都被否決掉了 |
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都被我們包括柯總召等寵壞了都不願意送進來所以今天我最後要表達的 |
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就是我要拜託 民進黨團不要再這麼傲慢了 該公開還是要公開 這才是國人之福好 謝謝教育委員 現在發言告一段落 告一段落 剛才崑永昭有說要再表示意見來發言告一段落了 大家的心證也很清楚嘛 |
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既然要開一次會,那我們就來面對吧。這第一個前提。至於接下來程序,因為現在法院還沒開,連一場大門都沒有開門啊。這很奇怪啊。怎麼一場大門不開呢? |
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主席主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
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今天不管有開沒開都要談談話會所以門一場不能等要打開就第一點第二點有公私話我們現在就可以來處理了就說等一下談話會大概就是各黨沒有意見就以國民黨這個提案至於最快就是明天要不然幾點到幾點一般是九點到 |
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市長報告時間9到幾點 |
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一般來講專報的時間的話就是行政院長他要報告差不多30分鐘那如果說是一天的會議的話我們整天會議就是6個半小時所以會有6個小時的時間幾點到幾點一個人是15分鐘要幾點就是如果說你們是要開一天的專報那早上就是30分鐘是行政院長做報告 |
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那剩下就是整天的話到下午六點的話是有六個小時那六個小時是一個小時四個人那就是二十四個人來按照政黨比例來區分 |
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沒關係 今天我們來就好了 大家互相互相互相互相互相互相互 |
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如果通過要開臨時會當然就是照正常的 |
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如果大家協商有共識是要開這個院會我們現在可以打個草稿就是我們在談話會宣讀這個協商結論然後就定一個時間邀請行政院長來做講說是明天或什麼時候明天是明天早上難道是協會再來嗎那是明天就是星期二嘛我們現在寫下協商結論 |
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| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
主席主席 |
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現在如果這樣可能要十點半喔沒有啦 這樣十分二十你們接著 喔 不好意思啊稍後我們 大家如果同意的話待會輸你去喔好 輸過了你問我們拋棍也問你去嘛那立委在門口上不好意思吧因為這個要改進嘛可是要開談話會的 怎麼門不開好好 現在好 |
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4955.278 |
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請大家稍微一下題目就是原來曾總召你們黨團提的這個部分我們知道這個國民黨選情告急沒有辦法請問一下如果明天開那個合約資訊何時可以拉你明天去問他嘛 |
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韓國瑜的題目就在這裡嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
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5001.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
公開形勢還是要明確好不好?我們明天會處理這個事 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
5027.881 |
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| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
合約資訊可不可以今天五點前提供給黨團（各個黨團明天我們質詢是跟之前的訊息一樣怎麼對勒 |
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5064.148 |
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我們現在是要求他來專案報告所以有很多的資訊因為就是很多資訊我們還不瞭解要專案報告所以一下子當然黨團是沒有辦法提供出來所以他報告的時候可能資訊同時可以對外公布我們具體建議是不是協商協議裡面要求行政院是不是今天下午三點以前或五點以前五點以前提供書面的資料他們提供書面資料沒有關係 |
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提供給我們 不然我們質詢內容跟院長是不對等的我們具體建議啦 請行政院校五點以前提供 反正齁 明天要來做專案報告以前他已經有把私人報告送來嘛你不能明天早上才送 今天要先給五點以前要有資訊 不能不對等協商不行這本來就是這回事 行政院長做專案報告一定要私人報告 |
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5119.855 |
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每次你們得到的資訊都比我們多五倍以上所以 而且你還先去跟他們開會啦他已經把所有內容告訴你我們的內容都是零啊我還行政部人士行政立法是幾天開會是很正常的啊那建國權的人資訊不對等是不行的沒有什麼資訊不對等我們也沒有什麼資訊啊我們常常那個資料都是早上才收到 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
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我跟柯總召感情很好我們盡量請行政院盡早提供書面資料好不好最好能夠在今天因為我們今天才決定要不要開嘛所以他們一定要寫啊現在決定要開然後我有程序就要知道程序來嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
5159.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
5164.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
他現在在印,印了會給大家,是不是我先練一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
5174.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
5192.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
立法院黨團協商結論決定事項1月9日星期二邀請行政院院長率同相關部會所長列席提出就社會公布高端核A社會圖利廠商及危害公民健康權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
5218.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
等相關事宜進行專案報告並被執行執行人數由民進黨黨團推派11人 國民黨黨團推派7人臺灣民眾黨黨團及時代力量黨團各推派1人進行會參加黨團委員得優先發言執行順序一例授權御書處辦理上述名單請你1月8日 星期一下午4時前送交御書處會長 預時視同放棄 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
5221.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
5231.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
看可不可以 有沒有要修正來實力可以可以啊可以都開始了 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
5240.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
5243.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
臺灣會可以提早一點嗎?臺灣會可以提早十分鐘嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
5268.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
5276.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
明天是九點喔 九點開始喔 照正常交往委員 我們現在馬上過去就 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
5291.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
5292.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
5318.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
5321.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
10點15啦 為了佩服大家的時間 大家都很忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
5347.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
5347.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
10點15分開始談話會 |