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153570 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153570 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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19 |
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經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-05T10:23:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-05T10:33:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
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https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/18e54f584c581c98bb0ebe76a9ad2107a6cabf0dc0d1a8b768f95e3d087843c24cfe8036c3757b085ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:23:18 - 10:33:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（10時23分）主席、各位委員。我請部長。 |
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主席：請郭部長。鄭天財委員發言結束之後，我們就休息5分鐘。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長好。運籌帷幄之中，決勝千里之外，這是非常好的，因為你來自企業界、產業界，包括國發會的主委，所以你們兩個要共同的去努力。今天你的報告裡面，有關當前經濟環境中特別提到「惟俄烏、中東區域等地緣政治衝突」，事實上包含我們臺灣中華民國跟大陸的非常重要的一個衝突，怎麼樣去減緩？這個是政治人物不太一樣了，所以經濟部長跟國發會主委要發揮你們的影響力。因為賴總統就職演說提到兩國互不隸屬，對岸不只是軍演，軍演就一再地擴大，然後又宣布ECFA停止134項產品的關稅減讓，今天的報告沒有提到到底影響怎麼樣，沒有提到，應該要做一個補充說明。機械公會很感嘆說雪上加霜，粗估影響對陸的市占率將下滑4%到5%，所以就這部分，作為一個經濟部部長，又是來自企業界，跟國發會主委，就靠你們兩位要去說服行政院長，說服總統。 |
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好，今天我們談核電，簡報上這是媒體的報導，這個是不是能源政策的轉向？要勇敢的去以專業、用專業，你的報告裡面提到核電議題三大前提，核安要確保、核廢料能處理、社會有共識，會持續關注全球各項核能新技術的發展，這才是最重要，全球各項核能新技術的發展，然後去說明、去說服政府的官員，說服各方面，這個才是重點，所以你不是把它放最小的，要放最大的，放第一個。尊重國會審議及討論，那個就是要透過觀察世界實際的核能發展的狀況來去說服，去說明。我自己是30年的公務員，常常要透過自己的瞭解及專業去說服，甚至要說服──過去說服我的政務官，都常常去做這種事情，包括我們今天也講給我們很多的事務官，包括台電的同仁，所以這個部分，這裡提到「本部尊重大院的審議及討論」，你要拿出你的專業才能去說明到底要怎麼做，而不是全部的尊重。因為這個涉及到專業，所以這個部分，請部長包括我們的政府官員要拿出專業，因為這是一個大議題，而且這是一個全球的問題，我們是不是還要守住過去的一個政策？已經執行這麼多年，一直要去撥補幾千億給台電。對不對？所以這個部分要給部長做參考。 |
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好，臺灣的半導體當初就是李國鼎擘劃的，對不對？李國鼎，他用他的專業去說服了蔣經國，蔣經國院長他不清楚這個的，那個多先進的科技，對不對？當然是李國鼎說服，然後從美國請專業的人回來臺灣，是不是這樣？來，部長稍微回應一下。 |
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郭部長智輝：委員說的是這一題？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：不是，包括前面的部分，簡要的說好了。 |
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郭部長智輝：好的。委員剛才講說核電的問題，我想這個是大家比較關注的，那我們還是一樣，因為現在有法的框架在，我一定要在法的框架之下想辦法來解決目前可能，可能但是不一定會發生的問題。對我來講，我們會把the worst case、把最糟糕的狀況考慮進來，我想考慮整個國力的發展，電力絕對不可缺，所以穩定供電絕對是我們最重要的一個指標。那用不用核電？目前我們是不需要用到核電，但是未來誰都不知道，因為經濟要成長，所以會不會用？這個我們會持續關注全球的科技的進步，就像您剛才所指導的，我想對新進的科技的部分，我們都不斷地在學習跟不斷地在考慮，如果我們可以達到完全安全無慮，這個是我們最重要的指標，不會產生這些遺害後代子孫的廢料，那沒有這個前提，我們當然一定會考慮去使用。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，部長，不只是立法院，行政院也常常提修法的草案到立法院，立法院每天在審法案，所以不要說這是法律的框架，只要你把你的專業拿出來，不能說再過幾年，對這個部分就是要馬上去處理了，你不一定有這個專業，重點是怎麼樣去蒐集這些專業，這是世界各國都在推動的東西，這個部分要重啟也不是那麼快，對不對？ |
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郭部長智輝：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：也不是那麼快，所以不能等，要趕快啊！要趕快去做決定，你要繼續非核家園，我們也沒意見，因為那個是涉及到專業，我也沒有辦法有意見，這個部分是這樣。 |
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好，我就回到原住民的部分，我們原住民是非常欠缺這方面。接下來是關於原住民學生，因為我是原住民，所以我還是要談一下原住民的部分，從原住民學生大專校院就讀的比例來看，我們就讀跟半導體企業或是其他科技相關科系的比例很低，但是還是有不少人就讀，如果能夠去進用原住民就業，也會變成鼓勵大家去就讀，會有這樣的一個趨勢，所以這個部分怎麼樣輔導、協助AI企業，應同步保障原住民青年的工作權益，這個部分給部長一個課題。 |
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另外，關於自來水的比例，你在報告裡面提到112年底達到95.67%，113年底預計可達95.83%，這個是自來水的普及率。部長，你看一下我們原住民的部分，一般地區跟原住民部落，我的資料是到111年，所以要請水利署再提供到112年的比例，所以原住民部落的比例差了20%。剛才署長也跟你講了，我過去也有推動怎麼樣在原住民部落的部分，從過去馬英九執政的時候開始我們就有不同的處理，所以除了要繼續之外，因為落差還是高達20%，怎麼樣去加強，部長，這個就請…… |
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郭部長智輝：我可以請署長來回答嗎？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我常常質詢署長，都很熟了，我的意思是說要更精進、要更好，好不好？ |
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郭部長智輝：好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：謝謝。 |
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郭部長智輝：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭天財委員。部長，他的意思是要讓您瞭解原住民部落的自來水普及率，水利署跟自來水公司還是要持續一直不斷的努力。 |
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郭部長智輝：我們努力一下。 |
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主席：好，謝謝。我們現在休息5分鐘。 |
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休息（10時33分） |
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繼續開會（10時39分） |
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主席：繼續開會。請各位經濟部的同仁儘速就座，我們要繼續開始進行詢答了，請大家儘速就座。 |
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好，接下來我們請張嘉郡委員發言。 |
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邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
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沒有沒有我們執政黨沒有這樣講喔沒有沒有沒有沒有不要亂講不要亂不要亂塞不能倒閉的話你還是要讓他適度調漲電費阿不然你是劫富濟貧主席各位委員請部長來請郭部長鄭天財委員發言結束之後我們就休息五分鐘部長好好這個 |
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運籌帷幄之中,決勝千里之外。 |
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今天你的報告裡面當前經濟環境特別提到維俄烏中東區域等地緣政治衝突事實上是包含了我們臺灣中華民國跟大陸的一個非常重要的一個衝突怎麼樣去減緩這個是 |
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因為賴總統就職演說提到兩國互不隸屬 |
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不只是軍演,軍演就一再的擴大然後又宣布ECFA停止134項的產品今天的報告沒有提到到底影響怎麼樣沒有提到,應該要做一個補充的說明這個機械工會很感嘆 |
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寫上加霜：出國影響對陸是下滑下滑4%到5%所以這個部分作為一個經濟部部長又是來自企業界跟國發會主委就靠你們兩位要去說服行政院長說服總統好我們看這個今天我們談這個核電 |
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這裡面這是報導這個是不是能源政策的轉向要勇敢的去以專業用專業你的報告裡面提到核安核電議題三大前提核安要確保核廢墟處理社會有共識持續關注全球各項核能新技術的發展這個才是最重要 |
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全球各項核能新技術的發展然後去說明去說服政府的官員說服各方面這才是重點所以不是最小的要放最大的放第一個尊重國會審議及討論那就是要透過這個世界觀 |
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實際上的何能的狀況來去說服去說明所以這個部分是這樣我自己是30年公務員常常要透過怎麼樣的自己的瞭解自己的專業去說服甚至要說服過去說服我的政務官都常常去做這種事情包括我們今天也講給我們很多的事務官包括台電的同仁 |
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所以這個部分這裡提到本部尊重大院的審議及討論你要拿出你的專業才能夠去說明到底要不是全部的尊重因為是涉及到專業啦涉及到專業這個部分請部長這邊報告我們的政府的官員這是一個大議題 |
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所以這個部分是一個而且是全球的問題我們是不是還要守住這個過去的一個政策已經執行這麼多年一直要去撥補幾千億給台電對不對所以這個部分要給部長做參考好台灣半導體這個就是當初李國鼎對不對 |
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李國鼎他用他的專業去說服了蔣經國蔣經國院長他他不清楚這個的那個多先進的對不對科技對不對當然是李國鼎那個說服然後從美國專請這個專業的人回來台灣是不是這樣部長稍微回應一下 |
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您剛才講說這個核電的問題我想這個是大家比較關注的那我們還是一樣因為現在有這個法的這個框架在那我一定要在這個法的框架之下這個想辦法來解決目前可能的但是不一定會發生的問題 |
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對我來講我們會把最糟糕的狀況考慮進來來考慮整個國力的發展電力絕對不可缺所以穩定供電絕對是我們最重要的一個指標那用不用核電 |
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目前我是不需要用到核電但是未來誰都不知道因為經濟要成長所以會不會用所以我們會持續關注全球的這個科技的進步就像您剛剛所指導的我想對科技的部分對新進的科技的部分我們都不斷的在學習跟不斷的在在這個考慮了那如果我們可以達到 |
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立法院不只是立法院行政院也常常提修法的草案到立法院立法院一天到每天在審法案 |
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所以不要說這是法律的框架只要你把你的專業拿出來不能說再過幾年所以這個部分馬上要去處理了馬上要把你的專業不只是你的專業不一定有這個專業怎麼去收集這些專業世界各國都在推動的東西所以這個部分要重啟也不是那麼快 |
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委員會議員 |
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好 這個原住民學生因為我是原住民我還是要談一下原住民的部分原住民學生大專校院就讀比例這個相關跟這個企業在半導體這方面或是其他的科技的我們就讀的比例很低但是如果已經有還是有還是不少人如果能夠去禁用 |
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原住民就業也會鼓勵大家去訓練會有這樣的一個這個趨勢所以這個部分怎麼樣輔導這個協助AI企業因同步保障原住民青年工作權益這個部分給足為一個課題那另外就是說 |
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這裏面提到自來水的比例,這裏面你提到112年底達到95.67%,113年底一季可達95.83%,這個是自來水的一個普及率。 |
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部長你看一下我們原住民的部分一般第7跟原住民部落我的資料111年的所以要請水利署再提供到112年的一個比例所以原住民部落的比例差了20% |
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委員會議員 |
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負責負責 |