| IVOD_ID |
15352 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15352 |
| 日期 |
2023-12-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-10-8-26-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第10屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
10 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
8 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第10屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2023-12-13T08:30:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2023-12-13T11:45:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:14:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2023-12-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第10屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查
一、委員劉世芳等16人擬具「勞工退休金條例第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「勞工退休金條例第二十五條條文修正草案」案。
三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具「勞工退休金條例第十七條之一及第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
四、委員陳明文等17人擬具「勞工退休金條例第三十三條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員高嘉瑜等17人擬具「勞工退休金條例部分條文修正草案」案。
六、委員張廖萬堅等22人擬具「勞工退休金條例第十四條、第十四條之一及第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
七、委員郭國文等18人擬具「勞工退休金條例第十四條、第二十三條及第三十三條條文修正草案」案。
八、委員廖國棟等17人擬具「勞工退休金條例第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
九、委員賴士葆等21人擬具「勞工退休金條例第十四條、第十四條之一及第三十四條條文修正草案」案。
十、委員楊瓊瓔等22人擬具「勞工退休金條例部分條文修正草案」案。
十一、委員李貴敏等17人擬具「勞工退休金條例第二十四條之二條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員邱泰源等18人擬具「勞工退休金條例第五十六條之四及第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
十三、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「勞工退休金條例第十四條、第三十九條及第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
十四、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「勞工退休金條例第十四條條文修正草案」案。
十五、委員陳明文等21人擬具「勞工退休金條例第十四條條文修正草案」案。） |
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出席委員已足法定人數現在開會本日會議議程為審查委員劉世芳等16人委員謝衣鳯等16人委員溫玉霞等21人委員陳文明等17人委員 |
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1863.337 |
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高嘉瑜等17人委員張廖萬堅等22人委員郭國文等18人委員廖國棟等17人委員賴世寶等21人委員楊瓊英等22人委員李桂敏等17人委員邱太元等18人民眾黨黨團委員陳明文等21人分別擬具勞工退休金條例部分條文修正草案等15案。 |
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現在介紹現場委員以及列席官員。那我們就先介紹在場的列席官員們。勞動部許部長法務部汪參事財政部負稅署倪副署長 |
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1897.694 |
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1911.618 |
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金融監督管理委員會政卷期貨局高副局長經濟部人事處王專門委員行政院主計處行政院主計處基金預算處黃專門委員袁柱銘 |
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1926.957 |
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1929.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
委員會社會福利處科專門委員還有委員蘇巧慧謝謝 |
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1960.831 |
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1962.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
主席各位委員女士先生大家好那感謝貴委員會的邀請有本人就委員提案 |
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1985.194 |
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2012.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
勞工退休金條例部分條文修正草案十五案進行報告。進行不令指教。勞工退休金條例94年7月1日施行截至112年9月底提繳退休金的人數約751萬9千餘人。以下請就委員提案修正重點及本部的意見向各位委員說明。劉世芳委員等16人所提逐年結算分配投資收益 |
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2013.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
2029.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
如有不足,由國庫補充部分。勞工退休金的運用以追求長期投資為目標,如因市場短期波動,運用收益低於保證收益,及由國庫逐年撥補,涉及國家整體財政制度,仍需審慎評估。 |
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2031.278 |
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2044.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
謝衣鳯委員等16人提案徵定平均餘命後至年金保險施行譴責配套措施部分現行勞工退休金條例施行細則第37條之一已有明文規定而且施行無礙。 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
2046.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
2069.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
溫玉霞委員等21人擬具陳明文委員等17人擬具高嘉瑜委員等17人擬具張亮萬堅委員等22人擬具郭光文委員等18人擬具賴世保委員等21人擬具楊瓊英委員等22人擬具提案有關勞工自願提早的退休金擬具得自選投資標的部分擬具本部對勞退自提自選的議題抱持開放態度討論。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
2070.824 |
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2097.306 |
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非常重視勞工團體的想法,將再多聽取各界及專家學者的意見,在不影響勞工權益的前提下,尋求共識、審慎研議。」厲國棟委員等17人針對原住民、身心障礙勞工分別擬定年金、生命表、平均余命等計算領取的月退休金以及李桂民委員等17人所提令有重大傷病卡者 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
2097.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
2115.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
得提前勤領勞工退休金部分。勞退條例得提早勤領一次或退休金的要件或月退休金的要件為身心障礙勞工有工作能力減損的情形。如果依不同族群訂定領取月退休金計算方式 |
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2115.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
2137.6 |
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或因重大傷病提早勤領退休金,需要考量勞工退休金的目的是保障勞工老年生活所需,依舊整體勞工退休制度通盤考量．休泰文委員等18人徵定應應義務與回復為一年一期的政策,由政府提撥勞工退休準備金的部分。 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
2138.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2155.169 |
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這個部分已由國防部制定義務役服役期間提繳退休金條例,經總統於112年11月29日公布,至113年1月1日施行,本部將配合主管機關辦理後續的提繳事宜。 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
2156.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2181.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
台灣民眾黨黨團所提推定勞工同意自願提繳退休金國庫撥補及提高僱主提繳率的部分我國退休金的制度是在僱主強制提繳的基礎上在依勞工意願決定是否自願提繳退休金勞推條例規定的僱主提繳率為最低的標準勞資雙方仍得協商提高僱主的提繳比率 |
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2182.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2204.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
有關推定勞工同意自願提繳退休金及提高雇主提繳率部分本部將持續收集各界意見擬具共識以致周延至於由國庫撥補、計免與科稅一節攸關國家整體財政制度及稅負政策仍需審慎評估國工委員等18人及陳明文委員等21人 |
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2205.728 |
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2228.289 |
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提案提高勞工自願提繳勞工退休金比率並且不計入提繳年度科稅部分應涉及國家整體租稅政策需審慎評估以上報告敬請各位委員及先進指教謝謝好謝謝許部長那現在介紹吳依晴委員來到現場 |
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2304.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2329.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
有關本次會議各項書面資料均列入記錄刊登公報現在開始詢答做以下宣告本會委員詢答時間6加2分鐘列席委員4加1分鐘10點半截止發言登記委員如果有書面質詢請於散會前提出與其不受理 |
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2334.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2347.086 |
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今天上午時間沒有休息時間。依往例審查法案不處理臨時提案。現在請登記的第一位委員吳益勤委員發言。有請許部長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2364.315 |
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2389.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
市長早我想今天是在討論這個勞工退休金條例總共有15個提案那我想在這提案裡面有一個部分很大的重點就是勞工的一個自提自選的部分那我來就這個部分來跟您做討論因為在上一次其實我10月25號我在質詢的時候其實也針對自提自選的部分有跟部長做了一些討論那我想今天在談 |
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2415.561 |
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就是要跟部長討論的是勞退薪制裡面的這個相關的一個概念到底是不是適合因為你在報告裡面也特別提到說對於自提自選的部分抱持開放的態度我們就一起來討論那就是有關我自己在整理這樣的一些概念像社會保險跟商業保險到底它有哪些不同 |
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2421.665 |
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第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會 |
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2445.2 |
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2451.481 |
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及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案： |
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2470.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2497.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
你覺得我們在推動的社會保險應該不是商業保險啦那性質還是有一點不同啦好來下一頁那我們在談特別想跟您就自提自選這個議題您剛剛也在報告上說這個是可以討論的啦那我發現有好幾個委員的版本也都有提到希望能夠因為6%是雇主提撥的那個目前是沒有人討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2499.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2500.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2524.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2529.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案案例第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2542.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2543.862 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2560.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2563.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
二、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2580.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2591.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
兩、委員三個性質還是有它相差性所以如果把勞退薪資的字體的部分當作基金來投資操作這樣OK嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2593.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2607.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
立法院第10屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第21會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第23會期社會福利及衛生環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2610.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2613.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
兩人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2627.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2653.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
就像剛剛講的就是說他其實就像委員剛剛講他是社會保險所以他必須維持一定的社會的這個角色他應該是以長期穩定投資來保障就是我們剛剛講的保本他其實是保本他說說在保本的這個情況下才能保障勞工的這個退休之後經濟的安全第二個他是他們是認為說如果是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2655.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2659.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
自選回歸市場機制,自選回歸市場機制,自選回歸市場機制,自選回歸市場機制,自選回歸市場機制, |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2683.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2685.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
第二十五條條文修正草案：立法院第10屆第11會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2699.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2725.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
當然就是支持的會認為說這個自選就是我自己負擔我自己自擔風險我自己拿錢然後我自己這個自選是我自己願意提撥的不是強制我自己讓我自己自選我也願意自擔風險就是要問部長這件事的我們通常基金投資的時候都有賺有賠有賺有沒有一直會提醒這件事賺錢的算自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2726.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2728.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
二、委員劉世芳等16人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2744.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2746.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
三、委員謝衣鳯等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2760.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2773.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
第二十五條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2790.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2793.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
及第五十八條條文修正草案案 。 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2807.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2817.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
投資的商品是那個標的是如何我們熟悉嗎或是我們能理解這些商品的優劣嗎這個是下一個都是下一個問題但是我在上次10月25號也跟部長討論過有關這個所謂目前的自體的狀況當然自體的數量大概是11.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2825.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2836.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
第五十二條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十四條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十四條條文修正草案：立法院第十四條條文修正草案：立法院第十四條條條文修正草案：立法院第十四條條條文修正草案：立法院第十四條條條文修正草案：立法院第十四條條條條文修正草案：立法院第十四條條條條文修正草案：立法院第十四條條條條文修正草案：立 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2854.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2858.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案．勞工退休金條例第二十五條條文修正草案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2870.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2872.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
二、委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2891.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2921.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
議員,您的想法?委員,因為這個自選的部分,自體的部分,自體的退休金,它是屬於個人的專戶,就提到個人專戶,其實它就是一個累積儲蓄的性質,所以不會影響到別人,我覺得是不會影響到別人,它是各自的一個儲蓄,所以我覺得它當然透過這樣來累積它的儲蓄,然後提升個人退休所得, |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2921.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2946.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
我覺得這個應該是沒有沒有太沒有影響到其他比較低所得人的問題好來那下一個就是最後一張我想剛剛部長也提到社會保險是增進社會安全那整個是希望穩定那所以像我們我看到新治勞退基金的規模大概三兆那失效的一個退補金是741億 |
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2949.453 |
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這比起來其實是規模差一太大,一個是大戶一個是散戶,那所以基本上這個投資,而且我們的新制的投資的基金效益,收益也2021年的數字是9.66那私校退輔基金的一個投資大概穩健型的大概也有到8.52,那我們沒有比較差 |
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其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十九條及第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條之一 |
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其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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處委員好部長好部長我們今天要討論這個勞工退休金條例的這個部分那其實大家確實坊間現在有非常多的聲音嘛就是到底怎麼樣可以對個人的退休生活保障最多所以剛剛吳育琴委員也在在的提到了自提自選這是一個很大的題目就覺得我有能力而且我有意願那我能不能夠有更多更好更多元的選擇這是一種嘛 |
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第二十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案案。netesa,您的聲音是一種之後那其實在立法院當中民眾黨的黨團那今年九月也提案他就說要提高直接要提高勞退的雇主強制提撥率從6%現行的6%直接到9% |
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民眾黨主席柯文哲卻在政見發表會是說他不會強迫提高而是要提供企業的租稅優惠 |
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企業租稅優惠。」對,那在這樣的狀況下我是想請教部長啦雖然我有看過你們用新聞稿的方式對這個提議做了一些看法但你會不會在備詢台上你再告訴我們你針對現在有立法院有不同的黨團提出了不同的聲音在這樣的狀況第一個是提高強制提撥率那第二個是 |
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不見得要用強迫的方式而是用企業稅率優惠的方式。那你怎麼看?其實包委我想每一個黨頭每個委員所提案都是站在希望大家都是討論嘛對但是勞動部總是有看法我們是認為目前的階段可能還是比較適宜說我們用鼓勵鼓勵勞僱雙方其實那是最低吧 |
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第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第五十八條 |
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3183.454 |
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三、委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
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3203.593 |
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3216.479 |
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立法院第10屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第 |
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認為不能就是說一下子就講一個數字啦,這個必須大家去做一些討論之後才能夠...這個我想對我們的 |
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提一趴增加的那個僱主的負擔是31.7億一年一個月一個月吧應該是一個月吧你只要提高一趴對僱主的那個 |
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我看到你們的回應嘛勞動部是表示說以今年六月底勞退薪至平均提繳工資四萬三千九百二十二元僱主是七百四十點四萬的這個勞工提繳勞退金計算的話如果提高了一個百分點僱主一年薪增加是三百九十億元的法定負擔一個月三十一啦三十一點七一年是三百九十億 |
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3297.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
三、委員劉霞等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
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3321.065 |
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及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議 |
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第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第10屆第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十九條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十九條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十九條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十九條條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條條文修正草案：立法院第十九條條條文修正草案� |
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第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案．勞工退休金條例第三十四條及第五十八條條文修正草案． |
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3387.561 |
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3401.006 |
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第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條條文修正草案：立法院第 |
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3425.956 |
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既然我們鼓勵這些橋外生尤其是新南向政策當中的學生來到了臺灣就學而且看起來是有成效的現在人數都是達到數千人現在的話我看馬來西亞今年的話有5253人那印尼的話有2675人越南也有到2331人其實是非常非常的高額 |
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3436.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
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3459.705 |
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3486.15 |
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你這邊有一個工作評點許可名額啊不是嗎大家現在就是在討論這個因為我們現在這個工作評點許可名額的話是從一百零九年的兩千五百名一百一十年四千五百名再到一一一一二年現在是六千名啊那我現在跟你討論的就是這個部分因為我沒有關係我們可以再討論啦也許我的資料齁跟您調的不夠精確那我就希望你給我更好的資料 |
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我這邊收到的資料是這樣子就是我們也是問了很多橋外生等一下布朗你可以回答沒有關係就是 |
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喬外森其實是來臺就學越來越多越來越多的喬外森也覺得臺灣很好他甚至想留下來工作但在申請工作的過程當中有一個名額的限制那現在的名額現在開放到六千了好可是如果你既然是歡迎他們來的話你何必要有這個限制呢這個名額我先跟你討論就這一點這個謝謝委員齁我先說明一下那個六千的名額齁 |
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三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
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3542.248 |
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3543.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
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3559.528 |
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及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案： |
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最後因為佔人家的時間我只要講一個就好了我們喬外森在鼓勵喬外森來的這個網站是有一站式的網站然後是多語式的可是我們這個當喬外森要留下來能夠找工作創業這就屬於勞動部了啦 |
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3602.819 |
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3603.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
二、委員勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
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3630.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3631.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
謝衣鳯等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
3656.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3683.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
今天我們在審查勞工退休金的條例這個議題之前想就移工的一個政策的部分等一下等一下等一下我的時間暫停好謝謝要針對的就是移工的一個政策如何更友善來跟部長做一個那個討論因為我們知道缺工時代的一個 |
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3685.228 |
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3709.995 |
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來臨不只臺灣缺工其實在我們鄰近的國家全世界都面臨到相同的一個問題那我們相信就是勞動部對缺工的議題我們已經檢討了很多次了包括開放農業的那個移工還是那個理數業的一個移工甚至就是在上個月就是我們印度的NOU的一個簽署的一個狀況那我們知道那個是一個假信息 |
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3710.655 |
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3724.705 |
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但是友善的這個移工的一個聘僱流程怎麼樣才可以讓就是勞僱主都達到雙贏的一個狀態這個是我們非常關心的那在這個不久的一個那個遊行裡頭 |
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3726.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3728.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
3750.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3778.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
全臺灣的就業輔導中心裡頭唯一的服務就是每一週固定的通知你要去簽名不然你就沒有辦法繼續再那個拿到這個聘僱函那所以這個移工團體他走上街了他就是有一個五大的一個訴求他就講說是不是政府跟政府直接的一個聘僱然後就福站的一個酸乙仁眼的一個增加還是職聘中心整合各機關文件 |
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3782.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
3802.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
3805.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
三、委員謝衣鳯等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
3813.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3839.027 |
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瓜委員其實有些比如說流程簡化或是他們希望提供更多的多元的協助這個其實我們都會來精進但是我也必須說你說其實我們現在的職聘中心其實他是也提供很多多元服務還有這個便捷的申辦程序給使用我們職聘中心的那當然不是每個 |
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3840.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3842.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
3868.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
3882.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
全國目前就是一個因為他就是一個行政協助啦因為基本上現在我們的僱主他聘僱移工他本來就是多元他可以委託仲介他也可以來執聘是多元化的嘛那是不是就是針對他們講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
3883.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3883.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
3900.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3904.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
3918.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3941.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
但是有不足的部分我們都會盡量來把它做好。那我在針對的製造業的一個僱主的一個聘僱的制度的一個檢查我特別就是說把這個制度的一個討論拉出來那現在全台的移工有大概接近75萬了甚至還是更超過了到目前是有多少人? |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
3943.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
3947.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
三、委員吳美芬等21人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
3973.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3975.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
三、委員謝衣鳯等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
3994.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
4016.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
你們從六個月把它縮短成三個月移工名額你們要增加這個移工的名額來做一個就是等於是鼓勵那有沒有機會這個三個月其實還是太長了你要知道就是說很多製造業他們甚至他們的工廠其實他們的生產線一刻都不能停有沒有機會就是這三個月變為一個月呢 |
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4017.712 |
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4031.128 |
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跟委員報告齁,因為當初這個因為涉及救危服務法的修法齁,那原來是六個月,那後來就是因為基於這個缺口下我們縮短了三個月。這個會持續檢討啦齁,但是就是說這個三個月的空中期其實我們還是在協助。還是在協助。 |
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4033.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
4034.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條之一 |
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4057.222 |
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三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第三條及第五十八條條文修正草案： |
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就像剛才部長你特別提到了就是說其實我們每個月就是已經雇主自己提撥6%了然後我們自己本身勞工也提撥了6%那我們其實政府的美意非常好我們希望就是說勞工在他的一個老年的一個退休裡頭是得到了一個很好的一個保障可是相對的就是說我們看到了很多很多的一個資料裡頭 |
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其實我不得不佩服我們勞動部我們這個基金我們應該請我們的局長上來報告一下你對你自己這樣的一個投資那你滿不滿意你還可以保障我們的勞工有四點幾趴的一個收益你算很厲害謝謝委員我們持續努力我們也會持續精進這樣 |
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那你手上有多少的這樣子的一個就是在這個市場的一個分析分析人員啊這樣的一個配置我們人員相當有限啊那我們國內外都有配置相關的研究人員同時因為我們人員有限我們也希望藉助國內還有國外的很好的資產管理公司來提供協助 |
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所以你們還是有這個是在後端喔我現在是講說前端前端就是說你們怎麼樣去慎選就是說那個委託我們的這個投資公司來幫我們就是操盤我想知道這個怎樣的一個程序你怎麼有辦法這樣省準的就是說可以給勞工4%以上的一個收益呢 |
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有關國內外的受託機構的評選我們有一定的程序然後我們也會借重國內的專家學者來參加我們的評選那投資的政策部分我們一直秉持就是穩健的原則來進行那我們希望可以讓勞工有比較中長期的穩健收益所以我們也不會說只看短我們會看整個趨勢這樣 |
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好,看整個趨勢,部長在這裡我再請教就是說當然你一定有信心就是幫勞工爭取到超過4%的一個獲利啦那有沒有更好的誘因可以讓更多的勞工願意自體呢?有機會嗎?其實這個自體風險是很高的 |
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4230.907 |
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二、委員謝衣鳯等21人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
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4255.436 |
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二、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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4278.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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自體由勞動部來投資。謝謝主席,謝謝。謝謝主席,請勞動部許部長。有請部長。 |
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三、委員好。好,部長早。今日有媒體對那個退休率當作議題撰寫系列的報導。由於現在醫療進步、科技發達,人人都是可以成為百歲人的候選人。為預備將來的長壽生活、健康財務、社會連結這些都缺一不可。根據遠見雜誌的調查,國人退休之後的養老資金 |
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主要來自於退休年金制度有63.3% 其次為儲蓄或定存56.3%基金股票等投資是50.7%逐漸國人的退休準備高度仰賴政府退休年金的制度 |
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然而我們根據勞動部的統計勞退新制實施了18年全台740萬的勞工預計今年勞退自體率只有14.69%只有 |
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4413.672 |
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十四點六九不到15%表示仍然有多達六百萬的勞工85%的勞工不願意自提請問部長那勞動部是否有進一步了解勞工自提意願低落的原因是什麼原因 |
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報告人其實因為既然這個叫自提啦就是說他自願提交就是說要尊重他的意願啦那每個人他為什麼沒有來自提可能第一個他是不是經濟的負擔比較低薪那薪水拿出來通朋友有些人是他可能是自己就去找商業保險或者到市場上去做 |
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及第五十八條條文修正草案。」案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
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4451.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
兩人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
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4475.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
4480.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
二、委員劉世芳等16人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十三條之一 |
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4498.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
4502.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
勞工退休金條例第三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案 |
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4519.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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這遠低於國人平均總薪資五萬七嘛我們不是說六成嗎六成就要三萬四那我們只有兩萬五所以少了一萬塊那通過膨脹投資市場波動這個影響納入呢增加國人退休後的財務風險 |
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對此,勞動部近來就有表示啊,正在收集各方的意見,兼顧企業經營之下,企業經營就是這個我們怎樣的去一些的撥補。朝向勞工退休保障有更好的研議制度,那再問部長,那目前有哪些調整方向呢?兩萬五嘛,現在收入都不到兩萬五,就退休後,可是我們大概需要是三萬四,差了差不多一萬塊。 |
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對,二、委員我們現在其實算一算有啊,對啊,我們現在平均二、二、二年的平均我們其實勞保還要再加勞退喔對啊,我們算一算,對,報告委員我跟你說我們的所得替代勞退六千五嘛 |
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因為很多人不提撥,剛剛講85人不提撥,所以他以提撥零來算啦85%不提撥,當然有提撥是不止啦自體是另外一回事,我們有固體固體6%是一定要提的喔所以我們的退休基本上是勞保加勞退自體可以零啊,可以6加6但是員工可以零啊,85%是零欸 |
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自己提啊!勞工顧主六趴啦我知道我跟你說我們的所得替代率喔如果以平均月頭保薪資目前來講大概三萬七我們所得替代率有百分之六十八我們的退休齁可以領的是三萬四千三百八十六哪裡退休2022年是一萬八加六千五啊一二零二年這個啊加起來勒 |
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| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條之一 |
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4689.668 |
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三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案 |
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4706.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
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報告委我們的重點在這裡啦我們是103才施行勞退啦所以我們到現在還不到十年啦所以勞退的平均月領六千五啦可是你有算三十年不止啦你把三十年再加二十年進去不止你平均月領不止這樣啦那我們現在就有人退休啦那兩萬五還是不夠所以我說比較基礎不能就要看啦 |
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國外他可能是比較久了但是我們勞退薪資是103才開始所以我們今天會得出一個勞退平均月領6000勞退薪資18年了沒有啦 |
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勞工退休金條例第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文 |
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4778.04 |
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立法院第10屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案案 案 |
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4801.431 |
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立法院第10屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案 案。 |
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女性治理白皮書的上司公司中28個產業只有三個產業沒有女性領導人在疫情期間穩健成長女性領導人企業整個產業比是毫不遜色可見女力對於經濟影響已經全面擴散我們知道哈佛大學有個教授叫戈丁他認為來了解女性勞動市場是非常charming的是非常重要而且迷人的 |
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4848.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
第二十五條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條 |
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一路成長到這個五成2013年的五成目前是51.5日本韓國是53.5和53.3比我們高差不多2%那新加坡六成四那北歐國家是七成一所以數據上來看我們在30歲以後近一半的女性沒有投入勞動職場請問部長有沒有了解原因啊 |
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4894.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十八條之一 |
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4905.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
4908.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
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4931.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
4949.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
立法院第10屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16次全體委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第21會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第23會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第24會期社會福利及衛 |
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4957.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
4974.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
4975.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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4989.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
4997.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
第二十五條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文 |
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5027.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會第16次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第16次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第16次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第16次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第16次全體委員會及第五十八條條條文修正草案：立法院第16次全體委員會及第五十八條條條文修正草案： |
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5032.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
三、委員謝衣鳯等21人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
5057.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
5058.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
三條及第五十八條條文修正草案。」案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
5100.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
兩種國家我們不是一樣都一樣的這種東方文化都很像嗎以教育孩子為主所以我覺得我應該要建議勞動部要關心這個托育資源的部件以及協助企業鏈結長照資源來讓我們婦女可以安心去就業你說對嗎所以不是只有你的問題而已不是勞動部還要結合其他部分對好謝謝部長謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
5126.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
下一位吳欣英委員謝主席有請勞動部長許部長 |
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議員好,已經快過一年了,然後也可能是我最後一次跟部長質詢了。那我想請問一下部長,覺得說大家今年討論的年度關鍵字,你有沒有知道這個年度關鍵字是什麼?什麼年度關鍵字?缺了。是的,是。今年的關鍵字是缺。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
不只是五缺加上缺氮缺藥對年輕人來說因為通膨物價成長大家也感覺到缺錢那當然貨物的這個負擔率房屋率的這個比例也創下歷史新高也讓年輕人感覺到缺房那勞保也即將破產那年輕人會更覺得說缺退休金 |
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| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
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那依據調查呢,國人退休率連續三年不及格,其中是未滿30到39歲的右偏低,只有52分。 |
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那國人雖然年紀增大,越來越接近退休的年齡,才剛開始準備退休金,這時候已經晚了十到二十年了。所以呢,我本席認為說政府應該鼓勵國人立即更早的準備退休金,透過時間以及複利的效果,退休金不是一比一的增加,而是倍數的增加。 |
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今天想跟部長分享本席辦公室的視算,這個福利的威力。比如說,如果勞工25歲的時候開始提6%,每年只有3萬塊的薪水,而且假設是說他到60歲的時候,他的薪水完全都不成長的前提之下, |
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此等於說勞工每個月只要花一千八百元退休之後每個月就可以領多於這個六千五百元那一塊錢就等於變成三點六塊錢 |
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5275.757 |
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可是很可惜的就是勞退薪資這18年來呢自提的比例只有14%每年成長率不到1%那勞動部的擬定未來的三年自提目標呢其實未來是每年成長大概1.5%可是實際上等於說這代表說在2025的時候呢總額才是在17.7%那本席認為其實這還是太慢了那如果每年是 |
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5280.14 |
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及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條之一 |
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二十五年到百分之十七點七的話還是相當的慢。那因為就是說一般民眾的這個所謂的financial literacy就是財經的一些理財的知識是不足的。所以我也需要說部長從政策這個部分能多於關心。那我是覺得說要提高字體比率呢必須要對症下藥。 |
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而本席的辦公室也整理了勞動部的資料做出以下的這個圖表那觀察到兩個事件就是首先像剛所提到的自體比率目前為止達高六百萬的勞工沒有自體那第二就是說這個低薪的困境薪資越高自體反而越多 |
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所以如果以低薪的問題來思考的話沒有辦法短期解決可是就要給勞工更大的誘因才能提升自體比率那本期建議勞動部可以參考這個農退條例勞工為自體退休金政府應該給予更多的獎勵 |
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農退儲蓄金2021年開辦農民自體搭配政府相對的Matching提撥的獎勵這已經實施了兩年了自體比率就快速提升到了27%接下來想有請主計處上台然後請許部長留步好嗎主計處 |
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5396.825 |
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及第五十八條條文修正草案。」案。 |
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5420.265 |
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5425.189 |
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立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案： |
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相對勞保撥補的高達2570億元的話政府應該可以負擔的而且就是勞退補助直接進入勞工的戶頭這跟勞保的撥補大水庫是不一樣的我想請問說主計處對這個態度如何? |
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5472 |
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5497.819 |
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基本上因為這個會增加我們國家整體的財政負擔所以應該還是要就整個政府的整體的財政來一起一併做考量可能是沒有辦法就勞工這部分單獨這樣去處理以上就可能沒有辦法單就這個部分去處理因為還是要就我們整個政府的財政來做考量而且這可能會有財政紀律法的問題所以還在考慮當中就是了 |
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5513.517 |
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立法院第10屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第21會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第21會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第23會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第24會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第 |
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補助五千元等於二點五倍獎金。本席相信如果勞動部願意把這些數字呈現出來對年輕人來說是一定很有感的。另外勞動部也可以思考僱主提撥超過6%給予企業的稅優。我今天只是希望能拋磚引玉 |
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5558.755 |
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然後以整體的政策的配套希望勞動部也可以全盤考量那能提出民眾真正有感的政策那我們全民的這個退休金能提升謝謝您好謝謝委員的提議這個就是要增加自體那個具體的方法那我們未來跟相關部會因為這牽涉到財政相關部會一起來討論謝謝您謝謝吳委員下一位 |
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陳寅,委員。謝謝主席,麻煩請這個發展署蔡署長。 |
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有請署長。委員好。署長好。據悉我國即將與印度簽署MOU引進的印度籍勞工。本席並不反對這樣的政策,不過要透過今天的質詢跟勞動部做一些提醒。 |
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首先我想請教一下印度籍勞工跟目前已經引進的東南亞國家的勞工在生活的習慣上還有管理上會不會有很大的差異? |
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跟委員報告因為印度其實在目前很多國家都有引進那東南亞大概目前據我們所知像新加坡他就有很多那其實印度大概基本上大部分跟一般的其他國家移工當然會有一些語言的問題跟這個宗教習慣的問題那各個國家其實對於這個移工他在本身的一些生活適應的條例都必須要做好一些準備那這基本上在我們在整個評估的過程當中都會去想加注意 |
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好,因為剛剛你提到語言齁畢竟他們光是這個方言就447種嘛那這個官方承認就22種所以是相當這個在這個語言上是非常的多元化齁那將來這些這個印度籍的勞工主要我另外再請教就是說那他們未來主要是補充什麼樣的這個產業缺工的問題好,謝謝委員你可能要講大聲一點對準麥克風 |
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跟委員報告齁那個在目前印度未來在哪些產業有這些需求其實目前我們在後續在工作小組會議當中跟各部會其實會做一些討論齁在缺口在哪裡所以你們現在是還不知道 |
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現在基本上到底未來在哪些開放行業需要由印度的移工來補充這個還要做一些討論那基本上我們在目前第一階段只是就來原國的這個部分做一個評估所以就還沒有還不知道哪些產業缺工要補充哪些產業就先先直接先就是 |
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對,所以公文報告因為目前我們在整個的過去以往我們在開放的過程當中第一個就是說跟南韓國之間要先有一個合作的意向這個是第一步因為根據媒體的報導可能開放的這個行業啦其實也就是我們常見缺工的行業就是像農業啦製造業還有營造業那由於說這些行業的這些外籍的勞工呢大部分都是居住在 |
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場區以外的社區。」那針對這個印度籍勞工的生活管理我想了解一下發展署有什麼樣的規劃跟準備 |
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我們目前在整個印度的移工開放第一個就是說從他的來源跟他勞工素質尤其就是說一些不能影響我們治安這個部分我們會特別注意那在國內目前在整個移工管理上其實都會有一些相關的規範這個目前我們大概都會在後續的一個工作會議當中都會做一些相關的規劃 |
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所以聽起來好像就是對於他們大部分要居住在場區以外的這些社區在住的方面你們還沒有很具體的一個規劃跟準備?其實大部分就我們的了解以目前國內的運用其實大部分其實雇主都會做一些妥善的安排所以這個部分就是交給雇主去處理目前他會做一些規劃那要依照我們的規定來辦理 |
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所以你們只是規定,然後規劃留給這個僱主他們自己去處理?我們後續其實也會協助。因為我今天其實你不用緊張,我只是提出一些提醒。 |
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如果只是規定,然後你們沒有及早做一些規劃準備,我是良心的建議你們還是多思考一些,也幫雇主多思考一些,會減少到時候可能會面對的問題。好不好?那再來就是說印度它是一個非常多元文化,然後在這個種族還有甚至在階級嚴格的,就是說甚至階級都嚴格差異的一個國家。 |
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文字與語言對國內而言是比較陌生的國度。在發展署你們有沒有儲備這方面的人才? |
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跟委員報告因為目前因為印度確實非常大他的語言真的非常那英文只是其中之一啦齁那目前如果以目前外交部給我們的建議其實後續大概會有一些來源地區會有一些選擇齁那尤其語言這個部分你會優先考量那至於說如果其他語言像印度語這部分也跟委員報告這個我們現在也後續必須要做一些相關的跟學校跟一些相關的一些翻譯的一個資源來做一些合作 |
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當然每個人第一個想到的會是語言那可能就是翻譯的部分那我想再提醒就是說因為可能在宗教還有生活語言習慣上的這個不同那也不是我們非常熟悉或者其他這個來源國很熟悉的這個地方那所以就是說有關於這個輔導心理諮商 |
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5927.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
第二十五條及第五十八條條文修正草案案案案 |
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5958.512 |
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一旦進到台灣,那是不是也要接受一定時數的職前教育訓練?那特別是這個職業安全衛生的教育訓練。我不知道你們有沒有已經跟這個職安署協調討論相關的教育訓練課程? |
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對跟委員其實現在我們跟治安署其實在移工不管是來台前或來台後其實治安會這個部分會列入一個重點那未來印度移工也會拿入整體來做一些所以不會只是看務工需要而已都需要整理過好因為我有看到那個我們治安署署長有點頭好那再來我請那個勞保局嘿 |
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我接下來想就是再提醒一下這個勞保局就是你們投保對象的這個姓名藍衛是不是有適用印度籍的這個勞工因為字源的長度會不會太短以至於說無法登錄聽說這個最長的曾經已經長到有600多字 |
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所以一般而言在這個印度的這個制度下有一些人的姓名真的很長那如果我們事先就沒有做好這個準備跟因應到時候會不會造成這個電腦資料庫當機那個非常謝謝委員提醒那日後如果說相關移工的引進我們特別來留意 |
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第二十五條及第五十八條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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指示提醒勞動部還有各個所屬的機關一定要好好來規劃跟準備。既然行政院已經合訂要與印度簽署勞務合作協定的內容,預定在年底前要完成簽署, |
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| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文 |
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| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
三、委員徐志榮徐樂園等16人擬具 |
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謝主席,拜託許部長。有請部長。學員好。謝謝委員的支持。 |
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我們今天主要講這個勞退條例我們主要是說勞工朋友他退休以後勞保跟勞退應該就是他最主要的經濟來源剛剛也聽了所有的所得替代力等等照我們現在有的制度來講 |
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你就算是領最低工資的,最低工資的應該有三十幾趴吧?應該至少應該有。應該有三百多萬人嘛。就是領最低工資的當勞工當了三十年、三十五年這樣下來。領最低工資大概二十幾趴,我們現在有兩百多萬人。那也還算蠻多的啦。大概占五分之一。 |
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這樣他們的守得替代率等等這樣算起來夠他們生活嗎?夠他們安心的生活嗎?就是領基本工資的人。他也有可能一直做到退休都還是在領基本工資喔。 |
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兩萬七八應該還滿滿符符啦我現在的印象是兩萬五的話就有差不多 |
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三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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如果不撥補到這邊我不是反對不撥補到這邊譬如說明年的一千億還可以到其他各部會還有很多地方要用的嘛我的意思就是說好像一直用公務預算撥補的話好像不是真正的解決這個 |
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三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
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其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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那是不是說如果沒有這個公務預算的撥補我們假設啦沒有公務預算的撥補有沒有什麼其他的方法來可以對這個勞保年金不要這麼快的?對,跟委員報告齁其實目前啦齁大概所有不管是學者專家或各政黨或是政府所研議的齁就是說在討論當中的方案齁 |
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最簡單最簡單就是撥補一定要有因為我們現在因為我們第一個我們的費率其實最高就到12%第二個我們年資給付率是1.55那這個收支逆差就從106年就開始了發生所以政府撥補這件事情是一定各個版本都一定要有 |
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三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第10屆第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13會期社會福利及衛生� |
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一、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十四條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條之一 |
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三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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三、委員延後退休金條例第十七條之一 |
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嚴議延長,不是兵役的役,是嚴討看能不能延長。總歸就是說,我是覺得說一直用公務預算,雖然是必須要的,但是越來越多,你看從兩百億、三百億、幾百億,好像數字越來越大了。 |
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所以這個反正就是開研節流嘛節流可能就是延後退的一種節流方式開研可能就我剛剛講的這個提高勞參力提高勞參力當然比較主要的就是婦女朋友的這個變形工時大概講在這邊參考因為有一些勞工朋友跟我提過這個譬如說委託 |
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我們勞保基金也是有委託代操嘛之前有一些他是想說他自提的部分可不可以他自己他自己去委託民間的一些那個 |
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帶草單位甚至於政府提撥的6%跟他自己提撥的6%是不是可以一起一起去委託他他可能認為說他委託的他的獲益比較大但是我知道我們政府會擔心說把他自己退休金的老本不要委託到那個私人的那個部分去以後 |
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其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
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所以說就算他提撥的6%跟政府的6%一起給他抄抄到沒有都算零的話他一個月他領幾十萬十幾萬薪水的人他的生活也安全無疑啦所以是不是我們也可以考慮說 |
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甚至於政府提撥的六八還在勞動部這邊抄他自己提撥的六八他搞不好一個月領薪水二三十萬他提撥六八去這樣代抄的話可能也是一種相當的金額當然他認為說他自己委外的話會議比部裡面抄的多他自己盈虧他自己負責所以這方面是否也可以考慮 |
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反正他自己去決定嘛。他自己決定他要的話你就自己負責嘛。 |
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謝謝委員的剛剛的意見我想這個部分我們都會去多聽聽大家的看法那的確就是說如果當然在部裡面是有保障對 那就是說我們會考慮到說畢竟不是所有自選的勞工自體的勞工他可能都是那麼高薪所以有時候他的自體的部分他才是希望有保障 |
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所以如果說當然你說他自選之後他自擔風險我們都會擔心說像去年那種金融整個金融市場跌了兩三成勞工都很擔心所以我們會多種考量我的意思是說會去提撥給民間操作的人他領的薪水一定是很多的萬一那邊泡湯掉他領的薪水應該都還沒問題 |
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而其實像這些高薪的他其實也可以回到市場機制去選擇商品也是一個方式那也是一種自選就他其實不一定要進到這個自體裡面來他也可以把自己本來要自體的他其實就可以去購買商品就是金融市場上的商業 |
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其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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陳佳華陳委員歡迎好謝謝主席請部長有請部長陳委員好部長好部長目前我們看到三位總統候選人在談論到勞退新制的問題都是僅說會鼓勵雇主和勞工提撥卻迴避強制提高雇主提撥勞退的修法 |
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那這樣看起來他們一直應該是沒有想要去解決我們勞工生活而且是退休的生活尤其我們現在看到整個物價上漲的這麼多所以請問勞動部我們從舊制到新制18年過去了時空背景也不同了 |
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所以針對提高僱主提撥勞退的比例是否應盡速研議提高?那我們要問目前全國勞工可期待預計提高會幾%?那預計什麼時候可以來推行修法? |
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報告委員,這個議題我們知道勞工非常關心但是因為這個部分這個強制提撥的部分就是會牽涉到僱主的負擔所以這個部分我們會參考 |
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立法院第10屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
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會增加雇主負擔﹖我們是認為說可能要再經過討論﹖可是這個就是一直存在的問題嘛 對不對也是一直困難的問題但是18年過去了本席是認為我們勞動部有責任要來做檢討然後提出來照顧勞工的做法尤其物價上漲這麼的多 是嗎 |
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報告委員因為這個是牽涉到退休的生活當然我們願意來傾聽勞工的意見也願意說 |
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正對大家的期待﹖好,那要積極去研議嘛,那你認為什麼時候要來修法呢?大概我是認為這個部分還要經過討論之後,跟各界,請聽各界事情,然後跟勞工雙方大家共同討論之後。那你認為我們總統候選人都沒有具體的去提出他們要做的方法,那勞動部是不是樂得輕鬆呢? |
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其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
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這個也算是一個大議題我覺得大家還是必須去面對但是要去審慎的研議我們沒有說這個議題其實我們一直也了解勞工的期待也很高我們知道了解了還會繼續再了解那請問部長我們現在勞工退休金個人帳戶現在我們的政府是代委操作那請問績效現在是怎麼樣 |
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三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
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所以目前沒有要考慮做修改目前我們其實這個議題各界有不同的聲音而且我們也有勞團他是持反對的意見所以我們認為說這個議題我們開放的態度但是請聽各界的聲音說是可以一定比例比如說60%由政府操作其餘可以開放讓勞工自主投資 |
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我想各種意見我們都會來參考,各種意見來參考。 |
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李慧琼議員李慧琼議員 |
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可不可以跟勞保來做診病呢?本席是希望能夠有關心私校這些退府的教職員工那這個部分我們勞動部有沒有可以去 |
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等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案案案。 |
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昨天北捷的工程又發生公安事故,那這個監督方面我們現在要怎麼做?」 |
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有請黃秀芳、黃委員。有請部長。 |
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阿偉好部長好今天討論這個有關這個勞動退休金的問題我想請教就是說其實我們看到一份報告就是說我們這個人力資源顧問有關在那個評比台灣的這個評比當中排名第39那這個排名第39可能我們從上面看到就是說確實台灣的這個退休金制度是不是存在一些問題 |
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二、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第10屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16條及第15條條條文修正草案：立法院第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第21會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22會期社會福利及衛生環境委 |
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兩條條文修正草案案 |
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7283.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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大概在百分之六十八並不會低於OECD不過我覺得當然世界各國有好的制度我們都願意來參考第二個就是說那個四萬五千八天花板是不是要打開那這件事情因為會牽涉到我們現在整個 |
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第二十五條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議 |
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其實我一直想要講的就是說其實我們的這個勞保的這個投保薪資在105年提高到這個四萬五千八嘛那其實我們的基本薪資其實一直都在往上調那是不是也要相對的這個投保薪資是不是也要再往上 |
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這是我認為應該是這樣子才合理啊我也認為應該是這樣你看我們的紙災保險災保我就提到七萬兩千八了這個已經cover到大概有八成的勞工九成勞工都可以適用得到但未來我是覺得這一題可能未來就是可能跟年改這件事情要一起討論啊不然我現在我只要單提高一級我就是一千五百億的負擔啊 |
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三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第10屆第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員 |
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7417 |
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7419.14 |
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其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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對這個部分我們會尊重大家的意見但是就是說現在的狀況就是說還是有些老船比較擔心的就是說這畢竟是退休老本那你要自擔風險這件事情 |
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一、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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其中有很多高齡或中高齡的民眾其實他們也很想在二度就業找的工作可能就是一些比較簡單的工作有的他們也急需一份工作有的確實是因為經濟的壓力急需一份工作可是他們去應徵的時候可能都會碰到可能是年齡的關係或者是時間有時候沒辦法配合 |
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其他還有長輩需要照顧所以那個時間可能沒辦法配合那我也看到就是說你們有提出一個就是針對這個補助地方政府成立銀髮人才服務據點的這個措施那我看到這個執行率好像也不是那麼好 |
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兩人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十八條之一 |
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第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條之一 |
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三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具 |
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三、委員謝衣鳯等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條條文修正草案：立法院第 |
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第二十四條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第五十八條條文修正草案： |
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第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會議 |
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兩年內目前是14處了,那陸陸續續還會增加,那我們其實就會讓績效慢慢的把它能夠提升上來。好,那有這樣的一個據點我希望你們也要多宣傳,因為很多他們不知道可能就也是 |
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第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第10屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會長青中心等16人擬具 |
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來奉獻給社會可以工作又來解決勞動力的缺口。謝謝。謝謝。有請王婉玉、王委員。主席有請勞動部許部長。有請部長。 |
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網路委員好部長你好我們知道過去這個勞退救治的情況之下勞工需要在同一個事業單位累積一定的年資才符合勤領退休金的條件嘛那如果他早上工作被解僱又或者是被迫離職就沒有辦法累積年資又或者是曾經也出現過許多的事業單位惡性倒閉等等造成勞工無法勤領退休金 |
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所以我們看到這個勞退薪制從2005年上路之後的確來解決了這個部分我想這部分是不可諱言也應該給予肯定的勞退薪制是採用個人的帳戶制之下讓勞工不會因為轉換事業單位而中斷年資可是呢我們也看到在勞退薪制的上路之後大家一直在反映的是我們的勞工團體也一直在訴求的是政府只告訴勞工朋友們勞退薪制可以讓他們更有機會領到退休金 |
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可是沒有說的是在於這樣子的退休金其實是大打折扣的我們以2021年的勞工的薪資的中位數大約51萬來計算他的年資以及退休金如果是以勞退救資來計算總共加起來大概是191萬元的勞退的這個退休金但是以勞退薪資 |
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僱主提撥6%的比例來說是只有91萬所以比如說在這樣的情況之下就可以很明顯的是如果我們希望能夠讓他們保障到請領的退休金是一樣的情況之下回推回去僱主的提撥比例應該要是高達12.5%我想這個部長您一定很清楚勞工團體們一直在訴求的是我們希望能夠提高僱主的提撥比例當然我也知道部長一直在講 |
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這個6%是最低的部分其實可以透過老資協議來做增加但是我們也看到相較之下在今年的2023在今年的7月公務人員的退府薪資上路之後強制提撥15%其中政府的負擔是65%意思就換算過來是 |
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貴族的提撥率高達9.75%。」我覺得這就是再次的打臉勞工朋友所以我們也看到說的確啊這個6%是最低的部分可以透過勞資協議來做提升不過我們也要跟部長這邊來做一個提醒和回憶就今年七月的時候下一頁今年七月的時候中華電信工會也有發起了要來調高勞退僱主的提撥比例的的遊行 |
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而實際上研究之後最終中華電信公司也跳票了他表示說提撥比率涉及了政府的修法所以不願意調整 |
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所以我想跟部長報告的是即便是這6%是最低但是包括連中華電信和中華電信工會是相對來說比較大的工會了來跟雇主做協商都是這樣的情況是完全沒有辦法提升而且公司仍然認為這個6%是政府明定的所以要調整其實是需要政府來做修法更恍惚其他的雇主以及其他的勞工朋友們根本很難達到這樣的比例啦所以我想這個議題部長你一定很清楚當時其實你也曾經有承諾 |
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而當時在因為總統在參加在六月參加全國工會的會員代表大會的時候也提到這部分會持續的來做溝通所以我們其實有兩個問題想要請部長來做說明第一個是這個6%的比例到底實際上有多少的雇主願意提高超過6%還有這個在高於6%的提撥率的情況之下有多少是透過勞資協議來達成的 |
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包括委員齁目前那個顧主提繳率超過6%的大概有3,532家的事業單位啦。占比?占比大概百分之0.61啦。是,所以非常少,連百分之一都不到。尤其是剛剛其實中華電信的工會就已經是一個很明顯的例子。即便像他們是工會比較嚴謹比較大一些些,即便是中華電信都不認為這個6%以上是他們應該要來共同討論的。因為他當然他 |
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三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第10屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
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如果我們提高一年的話整個的法定成本就是增加大概將近390億 |
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所以這件事情當然要去公開我想老公朋友今天之所以覺得很不公平的或是覺得很受到委屈的是在於我們新救治比起來真的是差非常的多這個部分是剛剛才提到說像這個公務員員退服薪資上路之後其實算起來也是在9.75%那當然我們很希望能夠台灣慢慢發展成勞資的權利是更加平等地位是更加平等透過勞資協商來做推進可是實務上部長您剛剛的數據其實就很明顯的呈現出來 |
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不管勞工朋友喊得多大聲,多麼希望透過勞資協定來做處理,可是實際上的發生率不到1%。即便連剛才報告的中華電信這樣子的公司、這樣子的工會都沒有辦法讓他們的僱主能夠願意來承擔,甚至是僱主表示這必須要透過修法,難道我們修法不應該來更加來保障勞工朋友的權益嗎? |
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第二十五條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第10屆第16期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第12期社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
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三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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參議院總統其實也曾經承諾過說勞動部會來繼續做努力和溝通我們也想請教一下從六月參議院總統承諾要來做溝通到現在我們做了哪些部分和演繹的方向如何以及什麼時候會有一個比較具體的目標這個部分其實我們這個溝通我說是要真正溝通不是說我嘴巴上溝通而已是 |
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但說實在這件事情當然不是那麼容易啦因為就是要說服是啊所以我們一定要看到實際上做了哪些事情啊所以從六月到現在進行了哪些規封跟哪些單位做了溝通那我們其實就是 |
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三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具〈勞工退休金條例第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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這部分有沒有具體溝通的哪些事情還是就是沒有回答的意思就是沒有溝通?包委我們的溝通方式是多元的啦或許不是正式的一個召開的會議說叫勞資雙方都來就是說在各種場合 |
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三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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獎勵免稅的機制或是減稅的機制來提高他們的補補的可能性所以我們想請教對於這個方向部長有沒有一個想法或者是如何能夠來支持又或者是不支持這樣的方向因為剛才提到如果法定要提高6%一直說要溝通但是完全提不出具體溝通是什麼那我們希望雇主主動來提高提撥率 |
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那我們如何來鼓勵僱主來提高?不要再說我們要透過勞資協議了因為部長你的數據已經打臉了你們自己說的透過勞資協議可以來提高,只有不到1%上路了18年不到1%我相信這個勞資協議真的非常困難當然對這些僱主要希望他們能夠來接受說 |
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提高這個提撥率強制的提撥率那這個部分當然也要有一些誘因那這些誘因就是說可能就是必須大家跨部會來做討論因為這個有時候會牽涉到稅賦的問題這個部分我們 |
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第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案 案。 |
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我想大家希望朝這個目標不是說就把目標放在那邊就會達到而是真的要有進程做了些什麼至少可以告訴大家我覺得大家之所以現在會很生氣的就是在於我們完全看不到路徑更不能相信我們的目標有可能會達到更不相信政府的誠意在哪裡我想 |
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議員您一定很知道勞工朋友的辛苦,您剛剛數據也很明顯地呈現出來,要靠勞資協議其實是非常非常的困難。即便我們推動倡議了十幾年,到現在仍然不到1%是超過6%的。所以這就是為什麼我們希望能夠看得到,如果不論是強制又或者是鼓勵,我們都要有清楚的路徑,又或者是至少讓我們看到政府願意努力的吧。 |
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我會擇由業務單位來做一個規劃就是說我們就這個議題的部分我們一個具體的規劃兩個部分都有具體的規劃一個月內給我們方便嗎?就是一個是能不能朝著6%的部分又法規面上來提升第二個是如果我們透過獎勵的部分我們能如何來做處理因為我還是要再次強調勞工朋友們都在講的是6%不夠花老後被打趴 |
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我想這個部分6%是大家長期以來的訴求希望能夠提升不論是用修法又或者是退而求其是政府用鼓勵的措施來做努力我覺得這應該要具體來做面對不要再講了十幾年說透過勞資協議透過團體協約我們可以做事實上數據就知道這就是完全非常困難的一件事情了不應該把這樣的責任放到勞工朋友自己要去爭取我覺得勞動部 |
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絕對有責任也必須要承擔起勞工朋友的權益。」希望部長能夠在一個月內把這兩項具體未來會規劃的方式和討論的方式告訴我們,跟大家做一個報告和說明。好,謝謝部長,謝謝主席。謝謝,有請林威洲、林委員。謝謝昭偉,請部長。有請部長。 |
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好,徐部長今天我們要審查勞工退休金條例齁這個其中有七個案子是要推動新制勞工退休金自選投資請問部長你覺得勞工退休金投資最重要的他的目的是什麼賺錢還是 |
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獲利增加他將來的勞工退休金能夠更多﹖就是,報告委員,他的投資一定是要,第一個一定要安全,能夠保本﹖安全,安全更重要﹖然後穩健,當然收益,當然想要自選就希望能夠多賺一點,這個投資收益,所以這個都是我想自選的一個他們希望達到的 |
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其他的退休基金有沒有這個制度、治權?比如說公教人員﹑私校退府、公務員退府新制,但是規模很小,我記得私校退府多少錢? |
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七百億左右而已。那我們自己勞退的話應該先要三兆,四點九兆。退休金喔,這個最主要的目的啦,我個人的理解,就是說要你平常在工作的時候有收入嘛,等到這個退休之後沒有收入,所以平常要等於儲備了一些將來 |
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三、委員謝衣鳯等21人擬具 |
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兩人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及委員劉世芳等16人擬具 |
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8571.075 |
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立法院第10屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會及第15條條條文修正草案：立法院第16次全體委員會及第15條條文修正草案：立法院第16次全體委員會及第15條條條文修正草案：立法院第16次全體委員會及第15條條條文修正草案：立法院第16次全體委員會及第15條條條文修正草案：立法院第16次全體委員會及第17條條條文修正草案：立法院第17條條條文修正草案：立法院第18條條文修正草案：立法院第19條 |
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也不要造成其他人家人的負擔國家的負擔但是你如果舍本族我認為啦如果舍本族問我說我預支將來的退休金然後來操作要來賺取更多的利潤 |
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三、委員劉霞等21人擬具 |
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8628.539 |
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所以你針對這個要訂定這個自選的條例的修法因為這幾年很多生意希望能夠自提自選就針對自體的部分能夠自選但是我們就是也認為說因為勞退這個事情它其實社會保險的一個角色就是像剛剛委員講的它是退休之後經濟生活安全的一個依靠 |
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當你面對像去年那種金融市場整個股債都下跌的情況下 |
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立法院第10屆第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會及第15條條條文修正草案案案案。 |
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8663.862 |
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兩年定存利率的一個獲利給你。事實上這幾年的 |
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8695.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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對他就說那當初都是政府理的草案然後立法院委員通過的那當初的制度是你們幫我決定的我是覺得勞工還是比較辛苦的一群有時候這件事情我會覺得說雖然我們抱著開放的態度但是還是要多聽各界的聲音 |
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所以針對這個修法我覺得應該慎重慎重然後要多聽一些意見甚至召開公聽會等等然後也要比較其他的這個 |
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一、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條之一 |
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保證收益的角色。安全性已經保障了,但是如何讓他有更高的收益,恐怕是更好的、更穩健的辦法。我們之後還會繼續討論,我想今天可能也不會就很快的進入主條。再來我再請教關於這個開放服務業外勞的 |
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三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
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第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議 |
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整個開放如果要開放服務業移工對我們的族群對我們的性別就業的影響評估那這個部分我我們大概是這樣目前還沒有說什麼時候來討論但是我們會等觀光署把他的補充評估報告送來那並同我們勞動部所做的這些就業影響評估報告我們再來請專家開會做檢視 |
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解釋之後我們才會適時的去提我們這個政策小組來評估來討論OK今天早上我們看到那個新聞就是說嘉義關子這個飯店業者兩百四十一間房間爭公務 |
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其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第10屆第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
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兩萬六兩萬六這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這這 |
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他們如果希望說開放外勞進口就移工讓他進來當然他們願意移工願意接受這個薪資本勞大概很難接受這樣的薪資所以這個將來都會有這樣的衝突一旦開放之後那個行業就會變成都是移工外籍移工本勞就進不去 |
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大家要想像一下,兩萬六我就請得到,兩萬六千四我請到技工,還會修水電,本來沒有人會做啦,老實講。那個行業開放了,那就將來通通是外勞了。假設,我現在先假設說,如果連計程車開放,我看以後通通計程車都是外勞,那只要基本薪資。外送員如果開放了,他外送我看以後通通是外勞在做。 |
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就移工在座了。本國勞工怎麼辦? |
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所以這個都是要整體去考量我們看到很多的行業都是開放了外勞之後那本勞就很難進入那個行業那反而就這個會衍生其他問題當然對僱主來講他有外勞的選擇外籍義工的選擇但是勞工的角度來看的話這個很多領域就變成本勞進不去啦 |
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所以這個都要整體考量包括你們現在在研擬的所謂引進印度移工這個都要好好的大家來討論他衍生的一些效應都要一併的考慮好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝你們有請邱太遠、邱委員 |
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謝謝召委、主席。我們請部長。請部長。部長,我想今天的主題,我們都在關心勞工的福利,那很多委員也都提了很多的見解。我想對於我們未來在修正,不管是政策 |
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規定各方面應該有大的幫助。」我想我都很願意跟大家一起來共同努力。那有一些另外的主題可能我們以前也關心,那現在我再請教一下,我們看下一張。我想勞動力的穩定還是未來,我們台灣要一直去注意的事情。這可以怕人命。當然看起來是有來源,應該有四個方向,這個我們以前有討論過。 |
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生育率提高,這有在表嗎?有,這個就是我們現在就是各部會努力啦,國家跟你一起養,希望其他生育率...好,好,好,那第二就是那個促進中高齡、高齡就業,這等一下再請教,那怎麼樣讓可能想要或者動機有沒有都可以的勞動人口來 |
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9176.15 |
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以彌補我們現在職場上所需要的當然第四個當然剛剛韋哲偉有提到的擔心各方面這個我們都會謹慎來進行這個我想這幾個方向是大家過去一直在討論跟努力的看下一張好了好那我想我們看起來來看一下資料好像我們的一個 |
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六十五或者是我們退休平均年齡好像比較早比其他國家不曉得你們那邊有沒有統計那好像再回來工作的就業率會比較低這補貼你們過去我們拍片這段時間到現在有沒有碰到什麼困難困難就是說第一個我是覺得我們可能雇主雇主的刻板印象對於中高齡高齡的就業或者 |
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三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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9229.912 |
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二、委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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其中為了以前的長照的照顧,我們在大概二十年前曾經在雲林那邊推動 |
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其中六十五位及七十退休的、七十五位來照顧七十五位醫療的老人。不過那個時候是用志工,也真的在媒介,很努力在媒介。當然後來可能也沒有延續,都是創造一些模式。 |
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那後續當然可能也不一定有延續,但是總是有創造一些模式出來。那他山之子可以工作,我們現在發現我個人的感覺好像聽說日本比較蠻多很多年紀比較大的,都出來去做一種可能他們做得了的,甚至在餐飲內的服務。可能很多人在餐飲內服務是希望年輕一點的,但是 |
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9348.947 |
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有些餐飲我覺得只要有人來把它處理好就好了。這個我們還不可以再了解說日本是怎麼做的還是其他國家是怎麼做的。這個部分當然就是說他們可能傳統上他們其實善用這些中高齡高齡銀髮族的人力啦那我們也現在也在鼓勵雇主就是說 |
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三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具第十七條之一 |
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第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案 案。 |
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就是我們進場去幫他媒合這些中高齡或高齡者那讓他們在這個勞動力的來源上能夠更迅速的去獲得填補我想我們有在做那當然就一直檢討成果跟看怎麼樣有精進的策略這可能要不斷的努力才能改變文化能改變大家的心態 |
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當然在體能方面我們也是一個問題但是這個部分我相信只要媒合適當的體能部分大概沒有問題就是說我們那個植物再我們有在跟僱主溝通說其實我們可以有專家進去幫他做植物再設計讓這個整個流程更適合這些壯士代的工作人再來就是我們有輔具輔具每年每個人每年你只要拼用這些壯士代勞工每人每年有十萬塊的 |
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其中一人擬具的費用可以來補助你,那這個都可以減輕他們在工作上,譬如說要搬重或者各種不便了,那這個部分我們也一直在做一些宣導讓戶主知道。我們以前在推這個計畫的時候,那個法案的時候當然我們也擔心說會去搶年輕人的位子,可是畢竟還是有很多 |
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人不能說現在那個困境,像沒錢了怎麼辦?很多啊,像我們在弄健保也是很痛苦啊。我想國家政府還有醫界也都很頭痛啊。 |
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9515.976 |
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總是要創造它的價值,不能就是卡死在那裡,當然來創造我們的智慧。我想這個部分,很多政策不是不能做,而是怎麼把它做得好。我們現在其實是整體的缺工,所以不會有說去搶青年人工作的問題。部長我請教你,你覺得我們現在有年輕人都跑去哪邊工作? |
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9542.734 |
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好像很多人都在缺人力,都在家裡,家裡有錢都不用出來工作,你們有沒有去統計一下?其實很多都到服務業批發零售那邊去啦,批發零售業。批發零售業,有需要那麼多人喔?原來了解年輕人都早就在做行為。 |
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9545.382 |
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9548.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
二、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十八條之一 |
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9565.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
9574.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
現在的年輕人沒辦法結合我們大概七成的年輕人喜歡在服務業我們大概有七成的年輕人畢業以後的年輕人喜歡在服務業 |
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9584.269 |
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但是我們其實現在也有投資青年就業方向,希望把它導向創業產業。對文化的一個形成會比較好,看現在這樣好了。那李姓的閣人其實有,我們也是最近我們開始關心這些那個 |
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9618.864 |
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很多人,他小孩子也長,也稍微大了齁,想說不然退休可以發揮一下這樣齁。這個部分,不曉得我們勞動部這個部分對這個主題的看法怎麼樣? |
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9619.642 |
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9632.371 |
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對,我們現在有一個,我們今天9月1號就是有一個婦女再就業計畫,三年的計畫,預計是說大概三年內希望增加14萬名的女性勞動力,那這個計畫包括說給這個女性,因為她可能離開職場一段時間了, |
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9637.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
9644.963 |
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第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十七條及第八條條文修正草案．立法院第十七條及第八條條文修正草案． |
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9656.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
9665.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
第二十五條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第八條條文 |
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9675.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
9676.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
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9699.246 |
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9724.485 |
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一些方向出來,那另外在勞動部這邊,我們未來就是會針對那個來源國的仲介,要求他要負連帶責任。這個當然是一個方法,但是不一定是好方法,還是可以再討論。那這個主題也請勞動部把後來的進展也給我們一下好了。當然在針對這個問題大家共同再來思考,好不好?好,感謝大家。謝謝主席。 |
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9730.478 |
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9756.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
下一位請紅山安紅委員請許部長劉勤部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
9763.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
9766.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
兩人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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9780.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
9782.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案 案 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
9804.4 |
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9831.287 |
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這一起是11月底的時候發生在林口的公安意外這個意外的事件跟臺中終結的事件很像都是吊車斷裂、掉落、砸在公車停但在這個事件還好人跑得快沒有被砸傷不想這些發生在工作場所或者是生活周遭公安的事故其實現在擔心的不只是勞工囉 |
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9856.128 |
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連附近的居民都很擔心,部長你可以體會跟了解嗎?是。好。部長所以如果你知道如果住家附近的工地發生事故有鷹架或者是這些其中的吊壁工人掉下來你走在附近你會不會有點擔心?會。會嗎?會。會齁。好。大家都很擔心啊可是現在看到這麼多的新聞齁 |
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9886.542 |
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我的辦公室其實也會接到民眾的電話大家會來詢問這些發生在附近的案件到底政府有沒有去檢查檢查完以後有沒有改善有沒有去罰其實大家都要問這個問題所以現在民眾很擔心沒有督導那也很擔心這些災難會發生在自己的身上更擔心會不會就像臺中的林淑雅老師的這個事件 |
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9900.232 |
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議員,這些悲劇你會不會想預防?當然。如果可以建立預警機制的話會不會想建立?當然要建立。好。議員,我相信你的回答是這樣 |
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9903.687 |
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9918.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
現在台灣的建築工地這麼多勞工不可能也不一定有量能一一的去勞檢所以我自己覺得這裡面一個很關鍵的事情是要怎麼把高風險的名單給建立起來甚至對外揭露可能很重要部長同意嗎同意 |
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9948.992 |
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在去年的四月我其實曾經開了一場記者會這場記者會的主題叫做沒有死傷的公安事故沒人管在這場記者會上面我其實要求勞動部應該彙整並公開公安事故的紀錄還有後續勞檢的紀錄那在今年五月的時候我其實也質詢過勞動部那當時勞動部的李俊逸次長那也承諾會建立一個公開查詢的系統 |
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9950.253 |
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9953.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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9969.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
9986.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
立法院第10屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第 |
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9994.963 |
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10017.301 |
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沒有死傷但發生這些事情也是高風險的地方啊沒死傷可能只是這次運氣好啊就像剛才在公車停可能只是下面的人跑得快啊但部長後來勞動部做了什麼我在做這個要求後部長知不知道勞動部後來做了什麼部長知不知道我們有開會部長後來治安署創了一個叫做媒體報導重大災害訊息 |
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10024.504 |
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10042.309 |
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將媒體有報導的才放上來但請部長看一下這些內容其實我們都不會知道事故發生的地點在哪裡也不知道是哪個廠商後續到底發了什麼或者有沒有改善什麼在這一個媒體重大災害訊息裡面我們都看不到我們都看不到 |
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10045.413 |
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10072.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
所以如果民眾看完回到勞動部的裁罰系統裡面因為他也不知道發生日期跟發生地點所以他也不知道到底是不是同一個案件我這邊提醒勞工部一件事情就是你們的現在甚至我們看到你們的這個系統甚至喔直接貼上來直接把職災的受害者的姓名直接公布出來喔然後公布一年多都沒有拿掉喔 |
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10073.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
10092.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
所以部長這個系統我們發現是該公佈的沒公佈不該公佈的卻把它公佈在上面一年多沒有拿下來反而不該被揭露的受害者不能被放在上面所以部長你覺得這個系統需不需要改善 |
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10093.45 |
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10121.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
委員這個要改善,這樣的一個系統這樣的揭露我覺得很不OK所以我所理解的是他們目前在明年1月1號馬上會上線的就是我們一個勞動部違反勞動法律世界單位財運系統有關職安衛的部分會增加有發生日期發生地 |
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10123.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
10130.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
立法院第10屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案案 。 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
10140.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
10166.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
你知道你們開了一個研商會議嗎?研商會議公佈的範圍限縮在職安法第37條第三項也就是勞動部已經有去檢查和處分的案件裡只有勞工死亡跟重傷才要公佈發生日期跟發生地點我不知道你知不知道這件事情他把它限縮了所以我的意思是什麼?更簡單跟大家說像是我們現在已經發生的已經去勞檢裁罰的終結 |
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10169.639 |
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10193.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
的這個事件還有這次林口吊車斷裂事故的事件按照現在的職安法第37條第三項裡面對不起按照你們召開的研商會議的記錄都是不用公開的喔因為裡面沒有勞工死亡對不起死亡的是終結事件死亡的是陳克林蘇亞老師不是勞工死亡 |
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10195.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
10217.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
所以按照你們現在研商會議的內容像終結事件像是剛才說的這個林口吊車斷裂事件都是不用公開的喔徐副長我們說既然說要公開為什麼不把就把事情給做到位如果大家上去查發現欸 |
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10246.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
明明這麼嚴重的終結的事件結果在上面居然沒有記錄不用公開民眾的感受是什麼?部長你知不知道現在我們的要公佈的範圍被嚴重限縮只有勞工死亡才要所以終結事故是不用公開的這個齁我是覺得治安署你們再要再整個再檢討一下啦我覺得 |
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10254.558 |
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這件事情我覺得委員關心好幾次我覺得我們要做就把它做好該揭露的就揭露了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
我知道職安署會說這是法規問題我要說這件事情其實環境部還在環保署的時候還是署的時候其實都已經做到了啦在他們的系統裡面其實採儲的日期採儲的公司名稱違反的日期其實都一清二楚我甚至曾經都建議過勞動部你甚至都可以把假如它有改善你也可以把它放到網路上面去我也沒意見 |
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10287.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
10304.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
立法院第10屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第12條條文修正草案：立法院第13屆第14次全體委員會及第14次全體委員會及第14次全體委員會及第14次全體委員會及第14次全體委員會及第14次全體委員會及第14次全體委員會及第14次全體委員會及第14次全體委員會及第14次全體委員會及第14次全體委員會及第14次全體委員會及第14次全體委員會及第14次全體委員會及第14次全體委員會及第14次全體委員會及第14 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
10306.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
10318.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
這是把高風險的狀況給預警出來現在我認為現在治安署不乾不脆甚至自己先說為什麼環保署做得到的事情為什麼勞工部做不到?署長為什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
10322.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
10345.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
我們執法法對有些項目是沒有授權揭露這邊我們想或許明年我們執法法修法的時候把這個法規授權更有效的讓我們來做執行我想這是我們會先處理的那至於說委員這兩次這兩個月一直不督導我們我們非常感謝因為揭露資訊讓民眾來的空間都是我們也是認為是非常核心的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
那至於說是全部都揭露我們有一些法規的部分的我個人覺得還是要有法規所以比較得當了。署長我對你這個說法我要挑戰這是你們做的行政處分欸你們做的行政處分有什麼好不能揭露的你們是偷偷摸摸嗎?你們自己去勞檢有處罰這是你們做的行政處分為什麼不能揭露?只要把必要的各自的資訊給隱蔽起來 |
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10386.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
這什麼地方不能揭露你告訴我這是你們行政處分我沒有要去公佈他們的商業機密啊你只要把個資隱蔽起來為什麼不能揭露你給我一個理由署長這跟法規授權對不起這是你們的行政處分欸你們去勞檢以後只是因為他沒有勞工死亡為什麼這樣就不能揭露 |
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| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
10427.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
我聽不懂我知道有法規授權更好但我完全聽不懂為什麼你們行政處分不能讓社會知道難道現在勞動部網站上面的所有公開的行政處分都是有法規都一條一條授權才可以嗎我不知道為什麼行政處分不能夠讓社會大眾知道 |
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10428.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
10430.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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10450.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
10475.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
市長我提醒一件事情之前我們在修責安法的時候我們其實也討論過揭露的問題當初責安署跟大家的說法都是說啊不要寫太細啦結果現在不要寫太細變成你們不揭露的理由了報告委員責安法是102年修的不是我說當時我們在討論相關的事情的時候我們都會說我們不要寫太細我現在意思是說市長事實是可以揭露的事情 |
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10478.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
立法院第10屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第12條之一 |
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10498.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
10499.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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10530.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
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你讓大家知道這個僱主或者是這個老闆他有做的努力我也不反對但現在不是啊我覺得現在是這個像擠牙膏一樣一點一點一點可是整個看起來就達不到預警機制的這個效果啊部長你覺得多久時間我們可以把這事情給做好金額的部分確實要請保護師來幫忙不是講一個時間嘛 |
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兩月我們處理好了。 |
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陳佩瑜、陳委員請部長 |
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部長您好,我們時間有限,我想問一下部長您有出現在最新的這一本所有台灣的爸爸媽媽幾乎都會看的雜誌,不知道您自己有沒有印象? |
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三、委員吳淑儀等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十八條之一 |
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在日本跟香港跟台灣卻呈現負成長。關於這個缺工的問題,或者是勞工本身在企業端工作的很多訴求,不知道部長您這邊在接受完這個雜誌的訪問之後,您認為友善家庭職場在勞動部這邊,如果您快速想到您覺得您還能做些什麼事情,協助勞工在勞動現場可以覺得更友善的被對待,然後也願意生養下一代。部長您覺得,從勞動部的角度您覺得可以做哪些事情? |
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其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十七條之一 |
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年輕世代的爸爸媽媽對於自己到職場上實現自我的專長實現自我的天分這件事情其實大家對於工作是有些想像跟企圖心的可是一旦把這個企圖心切回到職場現實的時候部長我先考你一下你覺得年輕的爸媽他們在意職場的哪些因素會讓他們更願意留在職場或者是在職場實踐自我當中還願意生育下一代您覺得年輕世代的爸媽在意什麼樣的事情 |
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三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 |
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好那沒關係部長我跟您報告第一個是彈性工時佔65%的爸爸媽媽最在意有沒有辦法彈性工時第二個如同您說的七有沒有機會設置零拖或者是幼兒園第三個是居家上班也就是在疫情之後的遠距工作的可能性這三個比例是年輕世代的爸媽最在意的事情可是我想要請部長看一下這個投影片的上端 |
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其實大部分的父親跟母親都有想要工作的企圖心你看喔在兼職工作或是全職工作的比例都很高對嗎?全職月的比例其實不高也就是說大家這個世代年輕的爸媽他們對於自己在職場上是有些想像的可是勞動部有沒有機會提供這樣的職場環境給予勞工們?部長您覺得呢? |
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對,就是說可能在,因為可能有些職場是可以提供彈性,有些職場可能比較不容易,那我覺得我們應該先從可以提供彈性這個公使的這些職場鼓勵雇主能夠來 |
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來做到落實。」那勞動部的角度我們來看一下其實勞動部一直有一個工作生活平衡獎啦也就是說勞動部在這個議題上並不是沒有作為可是我們來看一下這個評審項目有包含這些那生活平衡獎我們來看一下 |
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而勞動部這個生活平衡獎裡面有一個彈性工作獎也就是可能是彈性工時或者是彈性工作地點也就是說勞動部其實可能在幾年前就有意識到這個事情是重要的或者是友善家庭的部分勞動部在這個獎項裡面有一個單獨的項目叫做友善家庭可是我們來看在相關勞動部的這些獎勵鼓勵措施當中對於企業端的實質上更積極的鼓勵或者是互動溝通過往以 |
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一往以來都是比較被動的他就是一個被動接受企業的報名可是報名之後他們得到的可能就是一個獎牌我們看了然後相關一萬塊的相關獎品也不是獎金我們想要問一下如果勞動部自己都已經辦了相關的獎項跟比賽而且每一年都做不是只有做一兩年那勞動部其實在這件事情上是有一些想法跟態度的可是可不可以更加的積極去服應更多年輕世代父母親的需求部長您自己的觀點怎麼看這件事情 |
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其實我們辦這個獎項是讓這些這個算是一個幸福的企業他們的一些友善勞工的作為能夠讓更多的企業來學習他們作為一個標竿那所以當然 |
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獎牌獎金那是那是個honor但是沒有辦法說給他們很多的一個獎金那如果我們不談獎牌獎金部長您覺得在勞動部的角度還可以做更多什麼事情我先提供一個數字這也是勞動部給這個雜誌說的勞動部統計臺灣受僱者在2020年平均年總工時為2008個小時在39個主要國家中排名第六甚至我們高於南韓的1904個小時高於日本的1626個小時 |
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也就是說勞動部其實你們已經知道要做相關的事情不管是透過鼓勵措施或是相關企業對話可是可不可以更積極的回應更多年輕世代父母親的需求那我再跟部長報告最後一個議題其實今年諾貝爾獎這個得主他也提到了女性並沒有真的想要離開職場而是整個職場的環境的不友善讓年輕的女性他們必須要在而且部長您在裡面受訪也提到台灣有一個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一 |
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三、委員有更多的討論跟相關的規劃措施不管是透過獎勵透過更多的跟職場的對話讓勞工在現場真的可以感受到而不是只有民間雜誌辦了這樣的票選或者是這樣的獎勵但是勞動部可能在這個議題上其實還不夠跟進民間的需求 |
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謝謝委員我想這個部分的確勞動部還要再更有積極的作為那這邊我也會要求相關的業務單位一起來討論因為這個可能牽涉到跨單位那我們會來怎麼樣來讓企業能夠發展更多有效的措施然後政府又有一些鼓勵、獎勵來讓他們願意來做那這個部分我想我會來責成 |
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相關業務單位來展現這個我們也都真的非常希望勞動部在後續可以做出更積極的事情不然我相信部長你在這個雜誌受訪的時候你一定心裡面也是在意這個事情而且你也願意認同這個價值好以上謝謝部長謝謝主席謝謝謝謝有請楊委員謝謝主席主席有請一下許部長好有請部長 |
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兩位好部長好部長我們今天討論勞工退休金條例我在這邊有一個問題想要請問你個人的看法就是說現在大概有一部分人因為我們現在勞工自體的退休金 |
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是不可以自選操作標的嗎?那部長在這個議題上你的看法是覺得可以還是不可以?你比較傾向主張哪一個? |
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現在是不行嘛。像失效退福基金他大概已經可以了嘛。那勞工退休金有關勞工自體的部分,部長個人的看法是覺得?包委如果說是個人的看法,因為我是覺得退休金是勞工老年退休生活一個保障。 |
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二、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十四條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案： |
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自選的自體的部分如果自選他必須自擔風險那我是會比較擔心勞工這一部分如果當遇到像去年股債同聲下跌兩二三成的時候其實對勞工的一個一個損害是蠻大的所以這種情況我是認為這個部分我目前目前會比較保守一點部長的看法倒是跟我一致因為我覺得 |
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11174.86 |
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11199.586 |
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勞工自提的退休金然後看起來日後是必須要來填補勞保年金給付不足共同建構勞工退休以後的生活保障可是這個又遇到一個問題就是說自提的部分其實是屬於他的財產 |
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對嗎?限制勞工自行選擇投資標的這個本身就是跟財產所有有衝突第二個就是最重要的就是剛剛部長講的如何穩健獲利因為 |
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11230.484 |
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11259.353 |
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自提的退休金假如說一直放著獲利不足其實它根本趕不上通貨膨脹這個是很大的問題我相信特別是在勞保年金給付沒有辦法增加的情況下我個人一直對勞退的部分是很關注的 |
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11279.966 |
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所以剛剛部長有講到穩健獲利我們怎麼讓他穩健獲利包委我們現在當然整個這幾年的勞動基金的投資投資收益都還不錯啦我們平均大概都有4.64.6%我們也就是勝選投資標的不管是自操或委外 |
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11313.237 |
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其在整個績效上都有有做一些要求就是務必要讓我們的勞工的勞本能夠有好的一個收益有好的收益那我是這個部分我們當然會持續來努力啦會持續來努力那因為我由你們來操作那有沒有 |
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有最低獲利擔保的嗎?對不對?這兩年的定期嗎?一定是保證獲利的你最後一定是最少都有這個銀行兩年定存利率的一個獲益保證所以就是你現在就當然是政府限制你沒有辦法自體的去自選但是我同時也保證你一定是獲益的就不會讓你的退休金會棄給別人 |
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11360.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
這個當然還需要做更深的研究跟廣泛的討論因為我剛剛講過了其實字體的部分其實還是勞工自己的錢 |
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所以我們也是態度上我們勞動部也是勞動部所以覺得說我們就開放的態度請聽各界的意見但是我們基本上還是要站在保護勞工的立場對因為這個跟 |
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老闆幾父其實是有相關聯我接下來還是因為這個可能是本屆最後一次勞動部到委員會來了所以我還是把一些數據必須要講一下因為我一直覺得廣大的勞工 |
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11430.847 |
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退休生活以後的保障其實是政府的責任而且在過幾年以後問題馬上就會出現那我也知道改革的困難因為勞工本身收入本來就要提高保費好像主力也大那保費不增加怎麼提高怎麼健全整個機制這個是 |
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是政府必須要去非常有智慧去面對然後有勇氣去解決的我大概念幾個數字給部長聽聽看就知道勞保年金有多嚴重因為像在澎湖 |
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相對於相對比較一般壽星階級的薪資沒有那麼高的地方其實我對於勞工的退休生活其實是還蠻憂心的。2022年呢我們大概就是勞工整體整體的領導的給付大概是一萬八千兩百九十四元台北市 |
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同一年臺北市最低的生活費已經到了一萬八千六百八十二,也就是說勞工平均可以 |
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可以得到的年金給付在台北市是已經低於最低生活費了而且這種情況會隨著通貨膨脹越來越嚴重整體的有六成的勞工年金給付低於兩萬 |
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在這種情況下我們還每天在擔心勞保基金什麼時候會破產,這個才是最大的問題。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
二、委員吳太太等16人擬具 |
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11583.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
負擔最終給負責任的條文,把它入法,盡速入法。其實你不入法還是常年在撥補了啦,政府不大可能讓勞保倒。而入法的好處是最少可以安定 |
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11599.874 |
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安定超過一千萬的勞工的薪,讓他在工作的時候不用擔心退休以後日子怎麼過。好不好?好,不然我們一起努力。好,謝謝部長、謝謝主席。好,謝謝委員。 |
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本日會議登記質詢委員已發言完畢委員楊耀所提出的書面質詢已列入刊登公報作以下決議說明及詢答完畢委員質詢未答覆或請補充資料者請相關機構於兩週內以書面答覆委員利用要求 |
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| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
其限者從其鎖定：勞工退休金條例部分條文修正草案等15案,另則其繼續審查。本次會議到此結束,現在散會。謝謝大家。 |