iVOD / 15351

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IVOD_ID 15351
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15351
日期 2023-12-12
會議資料.會議代碼 黨團協商-2023121259
會議資料.會議代碼:str 立法院朝野黨團協商
會議資料.屆 10
會議資料.會期 8
會議資料.種類 黨團協商
會議資料.標題 立法院朝野黨團協商
影片種類 Full
開始時間 2023-12-12T15:30:02+08:00
結束時間 2023-12-12T21:48:00+08:00
影片長度 06:17:58
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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會議時間 2023-12-12T16:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院黨團協商(事由:繼續研商「中華民國113年度中央政府總預算案」(公務預算部分))
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 立法院黨團協商會議
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 院長各位同仁大家好
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 還是那句話 即使國民黨有這個誠意 也希望說大家好好做下來好好協商預算 讓他能夠盡快完成審議這是前提那第二個就是 昨天民進黨是個執政黨 要面子
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 要離職還痛罵國民黨一頓這樣不是一個負責任的執政黨人該有的態度廖婉如提個案子要陸委會來說明到底界限傳了會會洋洋但是也沒有具體個案要講啊後來陸委會已經跟他說明了當場測案啊
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 作為中華民國的國會議員連邀請陸委會來說明這提案的內容都不行我不知道耶今夕是何夕呀今夕是何夕也就算了作為執政黨的黨團在柯董昭率領之下他的幹事長、他的書記長竟然開記者會
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 某黑某紅國民黨的立委我不知道啦我要問柯總召啦今夕是何夕這那麼多部長從國防部長、財政部長、主席長行業秘書長坐在裡還有唐鳳部長我跟各位報告我也坐在裡面我一直坐過我沒有看過這種執政黨
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 我長眼睛沒有看過這種執政黨我不曉得在座五位部會所長長眼睛有沒有看過我相信你們也沒看過這麼霸道、囂張的執政黨柯建平、總召你這領導的黨團我沒說完啊我沒說過三年間有什麼說完啊
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 所以我的要求 我的要求還沒講啊今天要進行後續的超越協商前提是柯建民總召要代表民進黨團 正式道歉才會幫他走下去 不然我們就繼續讓他留會吧
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 請問怎麼預算讓如期通過在休會前如期通過這是我們的共識至於說昨天有關昨天擦槍走火之事應該分為兩個部分我想每一個立法委員今天總共提起2000多個案子要經過查核協商以後可能會測案有可能改組結議這形勢有人但都很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 主要針對廖瑩瓊這個案子到底記者會以後撤案還是郭忠祐撤案都不論
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 但是我認為齁因為在朝野鄉中政府案子太多了各黨各不同立場嘛那執政黨在捍衛他的執政價值以及執政的政策那在場挑戰執政黨這有天經地義無可厚非那兩黨互相攻防也常常有所以針對廖仁這個案子不管怎麼樣竟然有車案這個其實
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 不管誰在先誰在後,像這種凍結案,當然可在朝野鄉來談,不必拿來搭做文章有點操作過急,這一點我不是代表他們有點操作過急,你聽我說就好
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 這罐案很多 凍結乃至於刪除 刪 那我們都找各位趕快去溝通在溝通還沒完成以前 我不認為我們黨黨成員拿這個出來做供給這個是恰當的 有點操之過急這點我代表我們黨黨抱歉 我們希望今天能夠走下去就好
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 至於另外一個案子就是說陳一貞的案子
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 海基位預算總共一億四千萬而已他要砍四千百萬這當然毀於所思這海基位就不是運作了但他的理由大家聽起來比較牽強很奇怪也就是說我們台商在金門找大金門去投資因為中共阻撓讓台商不能去所以這個招商就不是很理想
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 陳彥生以用這個理由來刪減海基會預算,我想這個搞錯對象但是呢,沒有關係陳彥生昨天晚上我在看電視的時候,他很堅持鼠威答應小山東合作,他堅持三年到底這點我沒有關係,這個到最後要表決處理所以,大家都知道,他最重要的是同學
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 太多了啦,要論的東西太多了那我從來不會說在協商中或協商還沒開始協商像我們進來的時候記者問我我說你不問我,我不會回答那個問題因為我們要跟他協商我怎麼可以在外面先荒拋嘛,這不好所以我說永遠秉持這個原則所以對他們總會操之過急
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 你這樣道歉我接受了但是我要問您我們黨長期執政會這樣對待在野黨嗎罵李子佑
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 昨天把個人的選舉拿來立法院 當作阻撓我們政黨協商 大家在立法院都已經這麼久了 知道說預算的提案
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 只是初步的在院長的預算協商的時候才會請所有的部會來說明嘛
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 甚至有一些部會已經來我的辦公室在昨天之前都已經來辦公室那有一些預算刪減案也已經都被委員會的刪減案處理了那我們都在加速政府預算的審理的情況那沒有想到要破壞都已經是慣例的事情要拿來當作
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 指稱我個人的提案我覺得這是非常不當的這是會破壞整個協商的這樣子的一個互信的基礎那這樣子大家怎麼協商下去呢我們知道給在野黨協商是在立法院裡面你們過半數以後也要給在野的小黨他們有表達意見的權利嗎 是不是
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 有關於鄭文忠委員﹚剛才所發言﹚以及謝鴻偉所發言﹚在過去
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 我在這裡30年,隨便亂論。我在當執政黨的時間和當在野黨的時間各一半,但是我總召之後20年。所以我非常了解立法院這是一個政治的禁忌場所,但是有些潛規則大家還是要守著。比如說以前沒有直播的時候,我跟論壇協商的話,裡面誰講的話,到目前為止,
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 我們私下談的或是在行政中心談的我絕對不會出去做新聞或是去攻擊人這是我長期以來所以大家才有互信的基礎
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 你不要再轉了不要再打了,按就好按就好這是一個互信的基礎那因為現在網路時代所以消息資訊傳遞很快那這個馬上有些直擊新聞,過去也沒有這個回事所以我在這裡還是比較懇切的講就是說總預算通過就是
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 要有成比例,不成比例的手法全部不成總預算才不好是對彼此都不好,對院長也不好,對整個國家也不好那我已經講過,我們會秉持這個原則
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 在協商還是溝通中的事情,我們就不要拿出來比如工具,這樣才大家要互信嘛那過去,你說國民黨常任執政,國民黨常任執政實施的時候,我民國80年進來那2000年的時候,都是國民黨執政但是呢,那時候我們現在執政是比較就是說,好全部拿出來案子,然後到各位去溝通
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 過去根本沒有這回事,過去說下來直接大家沉香舌戰因為現在環境面不一樣,有所謂公入門公入門會看大家提案,提案數,所以大家要一直製造案子37年總預算大概四五千案,但後來在國中一直少所以我們偶爾覺得提案有的,像過去曾經也有一個案子
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 拆成五十個案子一樣3.0.1、0.2、0.3、0.4、0.5這樣搞法阿這衝一樣嘛阿給公眾們看所以立法委員要做自己比較重要我想我們共同這樣美麗阿那今天我們對於齁在學生中的在國共中的不應該拿出來做彼此攻擊等到表決完畢要罵再來罵也可以阿是不是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 我講得很實情喔
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transcript.whisperx[31].text 議員大家都要各負責,包括今天對立公知法,我們上台講我們的話,你們上台講你的話,就大家罵嘛,即便已經院會結束以後,有人再出來開舉再罵一次,因為坦白講這個有
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 我們把總預算弄完但是我再建議在進行以前可能我們要先談一個事情因為總預算在整個廢棋這樣審完
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 希望這一屆畫上一個圓滿的記號好不好
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 好 陳教委好 院長 那個實地黨團在問 因為昨天這個是執政黨的這個發言 發文不當嘛所以我們延宕了昨天的協商 那今天我們協商這個通案完畢 要不要再繼續進行內政的這個預算提案的協商要說時間啦 我們早上晚上十幾點就好了 好不好
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transcript.whisperx[37].text 好 那就是聽聽大家要不要繼續在審那個內政 不然我們每次到這個時候就是一直加班一直加班嘛那不管誰 每一年都這樣好 這就是我的發言 因為你看大家都站在那裡因為期盼他們預算能夠有一個有一個走路吧所以今天我們先談一下就從 我們明天早上來談三點數多少 這個很重要
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transcript.whisperx[38].text 這幾天在協商希望民進黨黨不要再吐槽了你如果不在就再吐槽了那第二個晚上
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transcript.whisperx[39].text 10點吧 不要到12點10點就很晚了今天嗎今天最晚10點那我告訴你喔 保安有去交通的那些喔阿你們就錄在社會嘛 心情還沒打開那現在應該心情打開 趕快趕快撤 趕快撤 趕快送出來嘛他們一直很努力在溝通 今天下午也去溝通 每天都在溝通 好不好
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transcript.whisperx[40].text 因為我們要讓部會他們那個好暗想好暗想 因為有 本來是有兩個 一個就說看要多嚴幾點 一個就說二三個通案先解決 現在才比較早來 那就把它講清楚今天晚上到十點 那明天幾點開始 明天早上九點喔 過去都這樣啊九點到幾點 你講清楚 因為現在選舉到了
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transcript.whisperx[41].text 國際我們都是在這裡吃便當 有時候在熱身 火車委員會大概都要來嘛因為現在剩下四天而已啊對 那講完嘛 明天幾點 九點到幾點九點到十二點 十二點以後 換休息半個鐘頭 一個鐘頭 然後就一直接下去嘛雖然時間就下來 我們國際都吃完飯馬上來 有時候發便當嘛這現場採取的事情就可以了 看速度啦好好 後面啦 要過來
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transcript.whisperx[42].text 要九點還要十點啦?要九點還要十點啦?要九點還要十點啦?
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transcript.whisperx[43].text 主席
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transcript.whisperx[44].text 待會晚上10點 待會吃飯的時候休息 休息時間待會再來講但是呢 各部會很認真去溝通有約修改變成組結議 那些部分你們趕快聲明送上來我們再近啦 我們要想了想了好啦好啦 那我遞出來看看啦
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transcript.whisperx[45].text 行政院秘書長李孟彥先生
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transcript.whisperx[46].text 行政院主席總署主席長 朱哲銘先生財政部的 莊翠雲女士市會發展部的 唐鳳部長國防部的 邱國正部長暫時介紹到這裡介紹得到嗎我們請大家看第一案看通案的第一案
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transcript.whisperx[47].text 通案的第一案是要增列三千億啦這個是台灣民眾黨黨團是不是說明一下老了好不好 能夠說明好啦
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transcript.whisperx[48].text 說明一下好了啦好不好這個昨天有講過了啦財政部在11月公布今年10月稅收3兆223億的時候其實這幾年歷年來的稅收超增的部分大概都有平均1700億到1800億那其實財政部長他當時也表示今年會再增列
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transcript.whisperx[49].text 把這個113年度的稅收來去做一個相關的增列那財委會其實已經增列確定150億了150億了而且也要成立這個稅收估測專案小組所以明年的稅收跟時增數的這個預算數應該不會相差太遠那當時我們提這個案子後來來溝通是有同意說可以增列100億那當時現場的官員沒有異議但是後來好像回去之後有不同的意見
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transcript.whisperx[50].text 那我們在昨天財政部國會聯絡委員來本黨團溝通的時候表示這個一百億的甄列他們欠然同意所以希望說說策案或是保留那我們是覺得說這樣溝通的一個品質其實影響我們的互信原則所以我們還是希望就是說是不是可以甄列一百億那財政部要不要簡單說明一下如果沒有共識的話我們就保留好不好那其實這個最主要我們還是希望就是說
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transcript.whisperx[51].text 稅收超徵的部分 其實已經多年來這個數字其實基本當然3000億這個數字可以討論但是平均都1000多億 1700億這個是已經確定的數字但是應該優先用來還債 不應該都是還是透過發現金或是某種可能對外界來講是政策性的買票
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transcript.whisperx[52].text 優先還債的部分 包含勞保還有這些所謂的勞保的虧損的部分那台電的問題這個是另外的問題不應該都是把納稅人的錢去補這些台電的財務黑洞所以我們認為還是優先還債那你後面的這個償還計畫還有以勞保為主的這個部分應該要把它納入後續的不管是主決議或是你們整個預算提案的方向重點
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transcript.whisperx[53].text 請莊副長說明一下
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transcript.whisperx[54].text 主席以及各位委員大家好我想這一個提案也是督促我們第一個就是在預算籌編的時候對稅客收入能夠更為精準然後讓跟時增數會接近我想這個部分在113年估測我們的稅客收入的時候財政部已經成立了估測專案小組除了部本部以外還邀請相關機關以及專家學者來組成一個小組然後對每個稅務影響的因子都納進去考量一個稅務一個稅務的檢討
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transcript.whisperx[55].text 所以在113年的時候我們在籌編這個稅客收入的時候已經做了這樣的一個一個一個調整跟改進那這一今年呢願編的是兩兆兩千九百九十億比112年已經增加了一千零四十一億事實上就是有調增加我們的一個籌編的數然後在財委會的時候也增加了一百五十億所以在這個部分呢我們是建議是不是就是按照財委會當時決議按照我們原來送出的預算案的數
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transcript.whisperx[56].text 增加150億來做一個調整那另外
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transcript.whisperx[57].text 另外對於剛剛﹖不好意思﹖對於委員剛剛提到的就是這一百億的部分我們的同仁去溝通的時候也許表達的不夠明確跟完整所以有點誤會那我想這個部分也跟這邊邱委員這邊跟您說所以你們同意在針對一百億沒有沒有沒有說我們的同仁去可能您這邊有提到說一百億的時候我們的同仁可能在表達上沒有很完整講一下好不好還是說回來研議這樣子好
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transcript.whisperx[58].text 要保留嗎?好不好?不是啦 我是想建議就是說如果100億也不能 但是這幾年看起來都超徵超過千喔千億 所以到底你們的監測小組你有什麼信心覺得你今年你孤一一三年你是很精準我是覺得你的信用前兩年都破產了
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transcript.whisperx[59].text 所以在這裡才說你時增數如果往上調你還可以到時候不會在國會被大家指責說你的這個估算有誤所以第一個我是覺得這是第一問題第二就是說超增之後的用途到底是往補貼這個勞保的部分還是之前補貼台電的部分其實財政部都沒有自己的主張啊所以你現在到底是要用什麼方式來做最後超增之後的處理也是一個問題
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transcript.whisperx[60].text 市長我講一下好不好這幾個案子差不多類似的啦這個第三案第四案第五案第六案差不多類似的案子並在一起談啦
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transcript.whisperx[61].text 沒有啦,兩個都說一樣,這不是說電信包結就好了,我們有關的關係知道,大家想想看一下,可以不可以,還有一個案件我剛講前兩年估那麼不準,那現在你認為他的估測小組,你覺得他有什麼讓你有信心?我是想請教柯總長,你有什麼信心說他真的明年估得很準嗎?這才是關鍵你有一個人說保證百分之百準
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transcript.whisperx[62].text 他已經有一個小組了嘛所以說 估測專業小組嘛 他們會很專業去處理嘛而且明年已經增加一千三百億了 好不好這整個行喔 整個條件要整齊啦估測的部分 剛剛賴委員提問的部分
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transcript.whisperx[64].text 委員提到如果有超出預算數的部分 這個錢是怎麼用 第一個我們是減少舉債比如說112年來說 原先在總預算裡面要舉借的1732億我們都沒有舉借 然後拿去還債 1110億在6月的時候就還掉了
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transcript.whisperx[65].text (減少債息的付出(同時我們在11月又增加還債150億(所以我們第一個是減少舉借(第二個是我們增加還債(另外如果我們在整個到結束以後(也會累計到稅季剩餘(到稅季剩餘的時候(就作為以後年度的融資裁員(那另外對於勞保的撥補的部分(在稅出預算的部分(我記得在113年也有在做這個部分(那是稅出的編列部分(那在稅路的部分我們如果有
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transcript.whisperx[66].text 李慧琼議員
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transcript.whisperx[67].text 照你們現在的邏輯或法制性去保證可以撥補到勞保吧 對不對我想釐清這個那其他的部分就是在其他未來稅出未出的部分不是 他剛剛講的債是他的法定上面的一個方式對 他是納入稅計剩餘再撥補稅出的一種 對不對不是直接債的部分嘛OK 好了解好 那本案就保留
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transcript.whisperx[68].text 第一案保留請看第二案檢列半數第二案我來補充說明一下這一次的公務預算跟基金預算邊有關政策行銷費用超過21億那其實我長期追蹤這些政策行銷費用的去路幾乎啊
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transcript.whisperx[69].text 這民進黨很厲害啊用政府的錢洗人的腦多花包給我就不講嘛 三立啦民事嘛那每一年都統三百分之二十統三晚隔年又加了超過百分之二十又送來這典型的藐視立法院所以以前通常都三百分之二十
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transcript.whisperx[70].text 主委長講一下
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transcript.whisperx[71].text 主席主席長來這個案子我建議說我們在通商比例的時候再來討論有沒有通商比例在討論通商比例的時候不行啊 我要先確定啊你講這個沒有一定比例我們不要往下走啊不行啊這樣就威脅這樣根本不是威脅啊因為每一年都這樣子吧來 我們講理事長看要刪多少啦
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transcript.whisperx[72].text 實力也支持就是說我們的預算真的是要不要用在這個政黨的
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transcript.whisperx[73].text 政黨大內宣(
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transcript.whisperx[74].text 政黨大內宣
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transcript.whisperx[75].text 你不是整天講要記住正義嗎
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transcript.whisperx[76].text 不是啊,你用政府部門的預算來做這個大內宣,這樣怎麼會恰當?為什麼大內宣呢?其實政府本來就是要宣導自己的政策,這合理的範圍內而且一上來也寫得很清楚嘛,我們就照法令來處理吧這一提醒,我想因為回復到韓七年一樣,通常在處理,我先保留一下好不好
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transcript.whisperx[77].text 昨年是那個是三二十趴可是那個集管署還有那個防檢局的預算是排除集管署因為有疾病的防治防檢局有那個檢疫的那兩個排除
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transcript.whisperx[78].text 中央銀行的鈔票使用都不會牽連到
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transcript.whisperx[79].text 主席主席主席主席
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transcript.whisperx[80].text 這些部位裡面哪個部位最誇張你知道嗎農業部啊 到現在109年
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transcript.whisperx[81].text 他用了3500萬去買媒體亂用 到現在 審計部還沒給他轉銷欸亂花錢啊
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transcript.whisperx[82].text 阿都,沒關係,那個是另外一個題目,我也不是很清楚你現在講的是對又錯啦這樣啦,我鼓勵,去年有一個大家經過很長的時間協調出來的那種結果先把拿出來我們再談,當指引吧,我們來看待好不好
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transcript.whisperx[83].text 院長我問一下那個主計長我剛剛說明的就是各部會他們的預算用在不同跟他們業務不相關的這個陣營宣傳或者是這樣可以嗎就是說環境部去宣傳軍工叫調薪環境部用政府宣傳政府挺勞工然後環境部宣傳投資大爆發
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transcript.whisperx[84].text 勞動部宣傳前瞻建設 水環境勞動部宣傳能源轉型
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transcript.whisperx[85].text 主席長這樣可以嗎這個我想比較符合他本來部的業務但是我剛剛講的這個都不符合真的是真的要講的啊
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transcript.whisperx[87].text 剛才也講過了這個東西是什麼?臉書上面的圖卡?這樣就行政不中立,如果是臉書難道宣傳不用錢嗎?那這樣行政不中立,環境部去宣傳別的
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transcript.whisperx[88].text 政府的那個變成大內宣那這樣適合嗎這行政院的政策轉傳臉書上面和所謂預算一點都沒有關係所以大家講話要講真實的要拿來這樣講話比較實際保留啦好不好我不要保留我不要保留要保留每次都保留啊你呢我不要通案回來我不要
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transcript.whisperx[89].text 委員長我不要,要保留就通通保留啊我不要,我就是不要沒有啦,不然這樣啦為什麼要照你的啊不是我照,我先講一個道理出來齁
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transcript.whisperx[90].text 那個報告院長據我知道那些有些部會
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transcript.whisperx[92].text 主席主席主席主席
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transcript.whisperx[93].text 政府的人力 各部份的人力去轉證變成大內宣這樣的方式也不懂啊一千萬一雙在台
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transcript.whisperx[94].text 去年20%太低啦!前一年30%啦!去年20%嘛!對!111年30%啦!那時他有1000萬以上才刪嘛!可以啊!
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transcript.whisperx[95].text 主席長,他的肯定才外界有部分嘛柯董造,這錢誰用你講的嘛誰用還不知道啦,你不要這麼堅持啦
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transcript.whisperx[96].text 現在我就是要提這一點在30天就要投票在投票之前 邏輯上 理論上不知道誰會當選因為這三個黨都有候選人所以說應該是
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transcript.whisperx[98].text 我為人民把關阿
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transcript.whisperx[99].text 因為那個是用在購部會的政策﹖沒有用在政黨上啦現在在亂講話 你要看出來 農委會都花包了三粒零四啦那是後續的 後續的東西
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transcript.whisperx[100].text 法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[101].text 要求防檢局跟集管署不能
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transcript.whisperx[102].text 主席
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transcript.whisperx[103].text 剪類20%
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transcript.whisperx[104].text 黃簡吉跟什麼?
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transcript.whisperx[105].text 其實過去執政黨底下
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transcript.whisperx[106].text 這個錯誤的政策比貪圖還可怕我講的是什麼數位輸入認證數位輸入認證沒有做阿沒有做阿你不記錄狀況但是還沒有做現在已經已經要賠多少錢你知道賠十億已經要賠十億啦就是因為立法院還沒有通過預算他就發包啦現在財務損失十億今年又變到六千多萬
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transcript.whisperx[107].text 董事長你問一下內政部數位發生認證就是立法院沒通過你等計畫通過再來吧好不好
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transcript.whisperx[108].text 行政部門關鍵民生系統經濟淫貪備份及回覆計畫
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transcript.whisperx[109].text 那句話已經說 當然有句話 不然怎麼編預算那你為什麼一次要編到113到116啊請部長說明嘛部長我先說一下 部長不是 院長 院長院長我要去臨庭 那如果有實例的提案 我們先保留好嗎 有有有
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transcript.whisperx[110].text 臨時提案臨時提案臨時提案臨時提案
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transcript.whisperx[111].text 委員會結束
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transcript.whisperx[112].text 這是第一次數位部用公共建設的程序公共建設大家了解四年的計畫常常第一年他是去做這種可行性的研擬去做作業程序的訂定我看這個提案主要在講的是說比較擔心說520之前好像什麼資料備份到海外
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transcript.whisperx[113].text 國發會已合併分年計劃,明年一整年是用來規劃這件事情,訂定這個程序,但並不是執行所謂的資料備份到海外。所以,我想是不是有可能把這個改成主決議,昨天有書面提供給國民黨團,就是把這邊倒數第六行都號右邊開始。
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transcript.whisperx[114].text 改成說請數位發展部向立法院交通委員會提出強烈各計劃名稱﹑各年度期程﹑基金費等細項說明之書面報告因為我們本來明年一整年就是在做規劃並沒有要跨境傳輸以上問一下你這個是先期計劃核定整體的計劃核定了嗎
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transcript.whisperx[115].text 因為我們先期的計劃是由國發會合定明年的預算我們在討論是明年的預算那整體計劃行政院合定了沒有整體計劃目前還在行政院審議中
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transcript.whisperx[116].text 萬一現在審議不夠你是不是要重蹈數位說明證的這個覆測那沒有關係阿有喔這有關於議題備言的問題吧整理計畫還沒有合併 等現在合併再說吧那目前不會有這種情形 明年度沒有這種情形未來會不會有 還要等下實現那個
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transcript.whisperx[117].text 老柯 因為這涉及到13億啦涉及到13億 整體計畫還沒核定搞不好新任政委哥不想核定那你要編
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transcript.whisperx[118].text 這先跳過去
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transcript.whisperx[119].text 請看第四案主決議沒有意見就通過
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transcript.whisperx[120].text 這麼重要的當然要跟財委會做一個專案報告 這個不要改書面啦你現在 漢政府執政期間稅收估測 嚴重失準這不可能奧改的事情啦這這麼重要的 有些可以放啦 小事情可以放啦這麼重要的事情 真的是要做專案報告我們今天處理的時候 院長
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transcript.whisperx[121].text 我們在處理有些原則性我先定下來才不會每一次都要來講我們過去處理總預算的時候都因為原則性一個月改三個月那專案報告改順便報告因為這麼多的總共兩千多萬像我們這七年處理的順便報告只有三千多個順便報告所以這個量體很大
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transcript.whisperx[122].text 這個都是下一屆的事情尤其書面報告讓大家都可以永遠都看得到可是專案報告有直播紀錄啊而且重點案件像現在打詐的現在速發布的這些因為這是最後一期的預算啊接下來明年就有新的委員所以我們希望就是說
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transcript.whisperx[123].text 還是照我們以前的慣例 專案報告改成書面報告我就宣布一下啦 就是說照過去 我來三年多了嘛慣例都是 如果說一個月兩個月都改為三個月啦那專案報告都改為書面報告那如果有特別有意見 到時候提出來就這樣可是這個就是特別有意見
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transcript.whisperx[124].text 沒關係啦 我跟你講啦齁 大家都不同沒關係 你是紐約委員 已經最信任了所謂專案報告只要招委一排的話 不必他們同意這是議法委員主動發動權嘛所以我們 你現在這樣要求說 你要來專案報告 這是我們的權益你要要求你先來給我書面報告 看不好我給你專案報告 該叫來
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transcript.whisperx[125].text 因為重要的才要改為專案報告 其他不重要的都改成書條
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transcript.whisperx[126].text 我宣布一下
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transcript.whisperx[127].text 實在力量黨團.國民黨黨團都已經
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transcript.whisperx[128].text 將那個部會溝通結果 送到內政委員會那其他的黨團 也請趕快送到內政委員會以例 做通案結束後 內政委員會部分 就可以後續協商這樣 就拜託晚上我們六點休息到六點半七點
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transcript.whisperx[129].text 6點
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transcript.whisperx[130].text 6點到7點6點到7點7點開會開到10點明天再去幾點?九點半好不好?九點半好不好?沒有沒有我還有回我還知道還有回
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transcript.whisperx[131].text 明天早上九點半
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transcript.whisperx[132].text 法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[133].text 法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[134].text 主席
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transcript.whisperx[135].text 主席總助可不可以刪掉我比較自私一點
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transcript.whisperx[136].text 修正後提供
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transcript.whisperx[137].text 行政院也刪掉那是誰邀集阿
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transcript.whisperx[138].text 我建議一下這邊是不是原提案要求財政部也就是行政院召集主計總署這一段文字是不是就就蓋成要求財政部來召集相關單位召開會議檢討那大概就是成立了有財政部來邀集那另外就是最後一行的專案報告是不是修正為稅收估測精進書面報告
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transcript.whisperx[139].text 部長您這個相關單位其他相關單位是哪些單位其他相關單位這個我們第一個會邀請政府機關包含國發會主計總署中央銀行那另外也會邀請相關的專家學者一起來成立一個監討會議跟估測小組所以是包含了有關的我們都會邀請
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transcript.whisperx[140].text 我們曾民宗總專還是建議是要專案報告
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transcript.whisperx[141].text 這不是書面?這不是書面?
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transcript.whisperx[142].text 第四案就這樣,請看第五案
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transcript.whisperx[143].text 第五案
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transcript.whisperx[144].text 我意思是說這個是國民黨團提出來的意見意見是可行的
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transcript.whisperx[145].text 你為什麼要改我們的文字呢那協商啊不啊協商可以啊我不同意啊我們黨的文字是專業的啊你說改書面我也答應你又給我改文字那你現在應該怎樣就照原來文字改書面就好啦不是啦不是啦差不多對於他的改文字裡面你你至少對啦
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transcript.whisperx[146].text 欸這個本人在財政部做常識資格做這麼久我怎麼不知道你又改文字好啦尊重委員啦尊重委員啦對啊尊重委員尊重總專的意見所以有關於第五案第五案的主席主要修改兩個字就是專案改為書面報告這個可以嗎可以嗎齁
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transcript.whisperx[147].text 行政單位一定要去執行,不執行就是堵職
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transcript.whisperx[148].text 好 謝謝委員那第七案就修正通過好 第八案請國防部說明請委員會啦 並經委員會就好了
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transcript.whisperx[149].text 我跟各位報告一下,這個建議就是委員會有決議,就並委員會的決議來做裁定以後第一預備軍的動用,已經設定兩個條件第一個假如說已經建案的,要持續不足的,那我們要經過行政院的同意,而且會跟立法院做核備
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transcript.whisperx[150].text 如果沒有建案,我們要用的話,一定要跟立法院外交管委員會做專案的報告而且完成的建案程序再做專案報告報告經過外交管委會同意以後,然後使得動之
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transcript.whisperx[151].text 這個在10月25號已經跟委員會裡面做的說明了,建議就按照委員會決議的來辦理這樣的話就完全合法,符合預算法的規定那跟這個組結有什麼衝突呢?
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transcript.whisperx[152].text 部長 您的建議我尊重你就把我們的組決議改成
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transcript.whisperx[153].text 委員會的類似的文句吧,這樣就可以了,好不好就改成跟委員會決議類似的文句就好了,好不好,一樣達成你的原來的目的嘛,謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[154].text 就修正通過
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transcript.whisperx[155].text 第九案文字稍微修正一下
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transcript.whisperx[156].text 倒數第二行那個以濟暴方式那五個字可能刪除一下因為我們的這個計畫它完成的時間是不定期的所以什麼時候完成我們就什麼時候上網公告那你要把它寫清楚喔你要說什麼時候完成這個把它改文字敘述出來喔那我們就講說以濟暴方式那個文字刪掉那你要一個時間嘛要一個時間你說它已經完成就上網了啦沒有把它寫進來喔
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transcript.whisperx[158].text 對不起吧
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transcript.whisperx[159].text 對所以行政院定制所以我知道行政院自己有沒有一個時間因為4月要成立那個研議小組所以希望不要拖到明年什麼五一再公告這是不太對的一個立法的這個目的
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transcript.whisperx[160].text 我們會在總統府公告這個法案以後競訴有沒有可能在年底主席你不要幫他講那麼多因為就是現在勞工在傳就是說我們立院很快的通過了可是到底實施日期是什麼所以我希望行政院競訴也確定看看好不好讓大家不要覺得我們立法上面
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transcript.whisperx[161].text 第9案文字修正通過第10案照案通過
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transcript.whisperx[162].text 請看11案11案有一個修正建議請大家參考11案請大家看這張有沒有 如果沒有的話請說一下我們會按照預算法的規定馬上辦理
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transcript.whisperx[163].text 11案修正通過12案遵照辦理13案遵照辦理14案
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transcript.whisperx[164].text 環境部這邊報告已經跟賴委員那邊討論過了那賴委員也同意然後這個國民黨黨團也蓋章了好OK那就修正通過對不對14案修正通過好請看第15案人道辦理好章案通過第15案章案通過16案子捷役人事處人事處人總車案車案
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transcript.whisperx[165].text 16案測案17案照案通過18案主決議
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transcript.whisperx[166].text 是不是可以建議由專題報告改為書面報告是不是好18案主決議專題報告改為書面報告修正通過
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transcript.whisperx[167].text 請看19案19案已經發給在國會委員黨那我們是說2個月內就相關籌資計畫提出書面報告19案主席沒有意見就修正通告請看20案
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transcript.whisperx[168].text 來順便報告啦這個很多做一些行政不中立的事請主委講一下吧好,有沒有意見有,有意見
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transcript.whisperx[169].text 市長有修正文字修正文字修正通過
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transcript.whisperx[170].text 主委請說明一下跟各位委員報告這個是我們嚴密會補助民間的一個文化健康站它是計劃型的補助
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transcript.whisperx[171].text 跟那個業聘人員是不一樣的這是社團的補助案沒有問你到底是不是補助案阿應該說不管是不是補助案就是這個健康站你們補助那他的這個造福員是不是有穿相關候選人的競選背心阿這個才是重點阿
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transcript.whisperx[172].text 你要是有穿那即使你是補助也是不行啊那假如他沒有穿就沒有問題但是他是有穿被抓到了的話那當然你們就得檢討啊即使你們是補助民間的那樣也不行啊上班時間是沒有穿啦上班時間沒有穿啦所以這個重點是您的意思是說所謂上班時間因為他這裡面
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transcript.whisperx[173].text 吳立法委員在臉書上曾經說沒有這回事情
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transcript.whisperx[174].text 文化健康站造福源
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transcript.whisperx[175].text 應該說吳亦華委員會有他的想法但是當事人會有他的說法所以才要原民會來說明不是嗎還是要修正通過因為我們也常常接到
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transcript.whisperx[176].text 我們同等反應 原民會都利用各種活動在助選網站上或是電視上或是有一些照片 真的很明顯所以我們這個案子也是督促原民會 做 可以做 不要太誇張那是不是你們文字修正是不是你收掉這個都沒有那個了
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transcript.whisperx[177].text 一年一手行政中立就對了啊後面那個有不同意見的人看法,有時候有這種事情反正重新修正一下要行政中立就建議文字修正你文字是不是再重寫一下修正文字再重寫一下,等一下先保留怎麼重寫完
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transcript.whisperx[178].text 主協議文字你們再寫一下再拿過來大家再看現在就暫時保留就看文字以後再講請看22案
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transcript.whisperx[179].text 請看21案21案
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transcript.whisperx[180].text 21案有跟陳佳華委員溝通原則上修改一小段文字後面陳佳華委員堅持的那一段我們就保留就留著這樣子前面一段拿掉後面那段留著就是避免政府機關這個部分還是不用刪掉嘛對 前面歌功頌德宣揚政績那個刪掉這樣子好 那個我們可以贊成但是後面避免政府
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transcript.whisperx[181].text 保留保留我意見
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transcript.whisperx[182].text 我們是希望避免讓民眾誤會﹑或者是認為執政單位﹑執政黨
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transcript.whisperx[183].text 那現在修正通過
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transcript.whisperx[184].text 就是復原律師長對不對就是我想我們在各個部會的臉書不會出現政黨的名字不會幫政黨宣傳但是部會的臉書去幫行政院的政績宣傳應該是可以那這個文字沒有什麼錯阿不會有特定政黨的問題所以這個文字沒什麼錯嘛這文字保留這個文字保留
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transcript.whisperx[185].text 好,那這樣
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transcript.whisperx[186].text 二十一案就文字修正通過二十一案的主決議請看二十二案二十二案就是只有改一個字改一個字應改成以啦我不贊成阿為什麼你知道我後來當了總召
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transcript.whisperx[187].text 你現在就當總召 怎麼後來要當總召我做八年立委沒有每一年都做我做了三年總召每一次到司法法制去一下子法務部有一件一下司法院有一件朝委協商完 司法院有一件法務部有一件浪費國家的資源兩個會選 一個法務部 一個行政院送來法案 長長
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transcript.whisperx[188].text 法務部跟司法院沒有意見 常常還麻煩你這個大總召來協商沒有關係啦 可一點沒有關係不用不用不用
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transcript.whisperx[189].text 因為坦白講,很多法案,司法院、法務部本來就有不同立場,包括我們提議的最近刑法185之3,所以就很有經驗法務部的堅持後來跟司法院協商溝通以後,還是用司法院的文職,所以南北會有這種情形
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transcript.whisperx[190].text 等一下喔 司法院有沒有意見那個司法院沒來 那個我們必須因為我們行政單位行政單位沒有辦法一定要聽行政院的啦因為五院是平行的 我們沒辦法 我們盡量溝通啦我們盡量溝通啦我的想法是假設少數案子是這樣子嘛幾乎每個案子這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[191].text 沒有啦,很久了你都沒來執行,你四個月都不來阿你沒來執行,都不知道阿每一個月都是我在最後整理的阿我四個月是三年,我怎麼不去執行呢我都還不去執行,就知道你們在搞什麼阿我都學長了嘛,不知道報告形式補償也是一樣嘛,國家資金也是一樣嘛
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transcript.whisperx[192].text 23案農業部有做文字修正,那是不是可以說明?
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transcript.whisperx[193].text 因為整個組決議裡面 最主要是針對蛋液要納入農產品的標示根據我們的食品安全衛生管理法的第三條因為蛋液它已經是加工的產品它是一個包裝的食品它沒有辦法納入到我們的農產品的一個溯源的標示體系所以我們建議文字修正是第四行
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transcript.whisperx[194].text 地上寫突顯政府在蛋液後面納入農產品溯源標誌系統上把它劃掉然後加一個蛋液的管理為爭完善然後另外倒數第六行開始因於六個月競速強制將蛋液納入農產品標誌系統要求養雞場主動申報不良蛋同時這幾個字劃掉以上
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transcript.whisperx[195].text 法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[196].text 可以嗎我要提醒喔是代理部長就是你先代理一段時間啦是代理期間啦用錢不要像你們陳吉仲偉大的部長亂用錢那個審計部還沒有還沒轉銷對不對他多少錢還沒轉銷3600萬對從109年到現在全用喔亂用錢
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transcript.whisperx[197].text 主席長在這裏啊 很多的主席主任 主席 主席出任 不敢做捏 緊揍捏誰啊 你要講柯文哲啊 又讓過來了
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transcript.whisperx[198].text 這個23案部長因為其實你劃掉的部分其實講直白重點就是六個月內但你現在把它劃掉了你基本上就是說應該要要求單一業者應該標示但是我們寫這個組決議就是希望你有個時間的規範
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transcript.whisperx[199].text 你把六個月畫掉了我跟委員說明因為蛋液是一個包裝食品它不是在農產品的範疇所以也沒辦法放到農產品的溯源標示體系我也跟委員報告所有的雞蛋在蛋廠出來了以後都有溯源碼
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transcript.whisperx[200].text 委員會主席
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transcript.whisperx[201].text 《中華民國113年度中央政府總預算案》
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transcript.whisperx[202].text 主席
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transcript.whisperx[203].text 是完全沒辦法執行的那這個部分因為在洗選場的時候他會經過洗選的過程中就會把不良蛋就會挑掉了所以這個部分對於我們消費者的安全是一定是不會有疑慮的
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transcript.whisperx[204].text 中華民國113年度中央政府總預算部分8立法院黨團協商:完整會議
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transcript.whisperx[205].text 文字已經修正好了 大家沒有意見的話 我們也是修正通過好不好
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transcript.whisperx[206].text 是不是奧斯案
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transcript.whisperx[207].text 二十案剛才有暫時保留 文字修正現在修正這樣可以嗎?可以啦可以可以齁?好 二十案的文字修正通過等一下等一下等一下不要啦 那有立法 那就不一樣不一樣的價格 那為了好啦因為出賣便宜不行
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transcript.whisperx[208].text 平東縣政府那一部分
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transcript.whisperx[209].text 行動證書給他們拿掉就好了我們來畫啦我們來畫好 OK
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transcript.whisperx[210].text 好 屏東縣政府那個這個花吊 四個字嘛好對不對 四個字好 該會再拿來看好不好二十案就是他改好以後我們再來看好 來 現在這個通案二十三案遲到二十案等一下還要看文字以外其他的我們都已經有處理好 有處理
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transcript.whisperx[211].text 保留也是用處理
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transcript.whisperx[212].text 20案修正通過現在通案23號已經處理告一段落,那就要休息
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transcript.whisperx[213].text 阿休息我跟他報告一下因為內政委員會我們接下來就內政委員會內政委員會因為我們到五點多的有的黨團才給他阿所以說他們給他們準備一下反正要到七點才會付所以我們等於要休息到七點他們現在在觀光啦你要給同仁或者刑事機關齁這個準備的時間阿那我們要不要切說
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transcript.whisperx[214].text 最晚10點 但是假設提早結束就提早結束了到哪個部院長那個21案有再修正文字確認一下好嗎提早結束就快了最晚
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transcript.whisperx[215].text 10點 假設內政結束也切掉21案的再確認文字宣布一下21案的文字再修正有再修正有再唸一下嗎
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transcript.whisperx[216].text 19點準時開會
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transcript.whisperx[217].text 現在繼續開會我先有件事情跟大家報告徵求大家的意見
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transcript.whisperx[218].text 以加速學商進度
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transcript.whisperx[219].text 113年度總預算案 針對各機關通案刪減用途別項目﹖是否就依主計總署所擬的這份通商項目辦理至於通商的比例、金額等
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transcript.whisperx[220].text 與黨團協商討論再去決定這樣有沒有意見跟主席報告一下這個項目跟往年都一樣
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transcript.whisperx[221].text 主委長113總共有14項對不對
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transcript.whisperx[222].text 那一二十二項一一十二項一一零十二項對不對曾嘉南兩項是不是有些一般書會分開來一一這是一一二的一一二的不是啦這家的項目是哪一個項目
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transcript.whisperx[223].text 都一樣啊都一樣啊都一樣因為那個是怎麼樣十三十四是那個調整項目就是總數十二個項都一樣的
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transcript.whisperx[224].text 確定就是先讓他們去蓋我剛才講那個金額跟比例並沒有決定就是我們還要討論我們討論以後就決定這個院長遲早要決定的那現在是在第五而已我們還要談一個總是算多少說明天早上要決定的不可能都不一定數嘛
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transcript.whisperx[225].text 通山用土北橡木玉泥
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transcript.whisperx[226].text 其實蓋也不一定來得及,看到就講通山通山就知道了不一定回得來這都沒辦法,都修兩年,回兩年再來全部幾項不是要給
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transcript.whisperx[228].text 法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[229].text 現在我們就來進行行政院主管行政院主管我們看案號第一案第一案沒有意見我們就通過第一案因為裡面有幾個文字
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transcript.whisperx[230].text 他有講到如此怠惰的行政效能那另外就是說這個部分放任屬下機關是不是這兩行字眼把它刪掉那你有把它文字修正寫出來嗎有有在大家的桌上有三大概兩行多的字有啦 十分啦十分啦十二分啦十二三千
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transcript.whisperx[231].text 第一案在這裡啦
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transcript.whisperx[232].text 麻煩各部會如果有修正的書面就提早發下去
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transcript.whisperx[235].text 搜案有建議修改組決議,但是委員可能要討論一下搜案有一個建議的版本請看搜案
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transcript.whisperx[236].text 你要改 希望改組決議喔沒有啦 我們這個就是希望能夠動決讓你們可以去這個監督他是不是履行阿因為他到現在為止 對不對他連 因為宗家案這個是一個這麼這個他要以這個10年40億的慈善支出他到現在都沒有去捐嘛
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transcript.whisperx[237].text 對啊這也不是A組有答應要處理
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transcript.whisperx[238].text 委員會是怎麼處理委員會沒有怎麼處理啊因為現在我們就是希望說在院的這個部分因為NCC會說這可能是教育部去督促的嘛
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transcript.whisperx[240].text 去瞭解然後或者是說去處理這個公益信託到底有沒有捐所以這個就是在互踢皮球的這個狀況所以我們才是希望說院可以去處理這個問題嘛對啊所以才會這樣說行政院徹底檢討這個問題然後到底是說這個各機關公益信託監管的這個狀況
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transcript.whisperx[241].text 請法務部為什麼又跟法務部有關
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transcript.whisperx[242].text 也跟信託法 公益信託法 主管機關是法務部那也請NCC也提出所以你在加入NCC這樣這個就照行政修正修正嘛對好不好 沒有你這個上面沒有NCC阿你是說
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transcript.whisperx[243].text 公務信託法已經在立法院所以應該委員會也在排審階段所以是不是這個部分已經在進行中
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transcript.whisperx[244].text 那也要尊重立院職權的行使行政委員,行政委員有改,你要督促法務部或是NC都可以我記得你這一題已經在交通委員會已經講過很多次了
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transcript.whisperx[245].text 第12案保留請看第13案改組決議沒有見通過
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transcript.whisperx[246].text 十四案改組決議,沒有意見通過十五案改組決議,沒有意見通過十六案凍結兩萬元這個我們有修正一些文字修正的文字可以講一下嗎,好像有看到是要改組決議嘛,對不對對就照那個行政院改的,可以改成組決議
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transcript.whisperx[247].text 十七案改組結議十八案凍結100萬年
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transcript.whisperx[248].text 請看19案通山科目19案這個剛剛賴市保委員有簽名就是凍結5%提書面報告通山
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transcript.whisperx[249].text 通商用通商19案所謂通商就併通商客戶處理20案檢列800萬元有沒有意見通案的21案
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transcript.whisperx[250].text 委員長 這個不能夠說這個各部會的這個社群平台都是這樣處理啊因為他根本跟他的這個業務一點關係都沒有那他在講的是別人的事情欸那怎麼會這樣 一個機關基本上在一個法治國裡面他就是有他的職長的分配嘛 對不對 不然的話幹嘛要設立這些組織法
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transcript.whisperx[251].text 那怎麼可能是說你今天農業部的這個粉磚然後都在處理其他的部會的那你自己都沒事做了嗎你剛才沒有來這個已經通過了對阿我是跟他講阿我知道說這個是從來沒有案子已處理過這個資訊本來跟我們可以分享嘛
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transcript.whisperx[252].text 政府的資訊 欸 這不可以這樣說阿那你都沒有在聽我講話阿都沒有在聽我講話阿因為是行政院下面有一個部會 因為不是說只有一個行政院下面沒有任何的組織法欸因為你是業務的執掌阿我剛剛有在講 你都沒有在聽阿這都被有這都被有組織法結果你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去 你去
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transcript.whisperx[253].text 現在二十案跟二十一案怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[254].text 20案跟21案,因為前面已經有通過通案,那這個就併通案處理,對不對?修改內容
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transcript.whisperx[255].text 20號案動結200萬元
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transcript.whisperx[256].text 21號我們想要保留21號我們想要保留21號我們想要保留21號我們想要保留21號我們想要保留21號我們想要保留
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transcript.whisperx[257].text 這個有改組決議,黨團也蓋章了
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transcript.whisperx[258].text 改組協議24案改組協議沒有見通過25案25 26因為
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transcript.whisperx[259].text 有希望能夠改組決議,文字修正,但是委員還沒有簽名,沒有同意。
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transcript.whisperx[260].text 委員長26這涉及到集會遊行法的這個修法那這個一直到現在為止都行政院都還不能夠提出版本這是非常不應該的因為在2016年蔡總統上任就是說要落實國家對排除人民集會遊行法限制的這個承諾
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transcript.whisperx[262].text 那所以這個是非常非常落後的然後到現在為止行政院也都還不提出一個版本那這個顯然跟我現在在這個科目上面你這個叫做人權及轉型正義
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transcript.whisperx[263].text 那這個部分是非常的諷刺啦你如果說你要落實這個人權及轉型正義的話那這種極惡遊行的惡法基本上都是國民黨時代留下來這種威權體制的這個象徵嘛那比較法上面即使隨便看一個國家你就會知道說這個是完全就是不想要讓人民極惡遊行的這個法律所以我們希望就是說
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transcript.whisperx[264].text 這個針對這個人權及轉型正義的經費提案凍結兩百萬請問一下我們這一屆並沒有實列遊行法沒有人提過行政也沒有送來另外有沒有版本
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transcript.whisperx[265].text 我們有啊 我們有版本啊這個是過去在這個民進黨執政 民進黨從2008年的野草莓的學運的時候時任的黨主席蔡英文總統就在自由廣場簽然後簽了這一個人權永久保固書嘛
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transcript.whisperx[266].text 那時候的承諾說未來民進黨無論在朝或在野都會為了這個集會結社自由等這一些法治來努力啊柯總裁你應該非常清楚才對啊你怎麼還會再問這種事情我變得更清楚所有過程都講過所有過程都走過你不要再亂講通了我都還沒講完都亂講我現在回答你的問題你應該在自由檢討說為什麼
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transcript.whisperx[267].text 這個集會遊行法你從2016年開始民進黨完全執政到現在都還沒有辦法通過一個院版能夠跟其他的國家法制主義國家可以這個看齊嘛對啊
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transcript.whisperx[268].text 委員跟主席報告就是這個案子院也有提出一個修正的文字那是不是可以可以就是說讓我們在3個月內提出書面報告那凍結是不是可以併整個科目的凍結50萬這樣子我們有一個建議的文字那因為這個部分內政部還在研擬的階段好這個
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transcript.whisperx[269].text 他就變主決議 他就沒有凍結啦對啊該主決議
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transcript.whisperx[270].text 民進黨在野的時候也是認為說這是一個惡法
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transcript.whisperx[271].text 那我們2020年就提出了 你現在還在問現在這個 坦白講你沒有提出 你就是要檢討了沒有提出 他們也提出過了那市長 那這一屆都沒有人審過沒有審過是因為 第一個沒有院版嘛他院根本沒有版 他到現在他還在想說他最近要提出一個什麼草案什麼之類的
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transcript.whisperx[272].text 27案改組決議沒有見通過28案改組決議沒有見通過
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transcript.whisperx[273].text 二十九案並通算科目範出辦禮二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十九二十
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transcript.whisperx[274].text 那就請看30案30案有一個建議是併案來凍結有簡單的文字修正就只有一行這個想要先保留我們不想併那個好30案那保留好來31案簽字這已經同意了
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transcript.whisperx[275].text 同意併案凍結好併哪一個案併整個科目50萬那就31案就併委員會結議辦理對不對對好來併委員會結議辦理然後32案是不是也併委員會結議辦理
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transcript.whisperx[276].text 剪列10萬
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transcript.whisperx[277].text 10萬,變少了剪列10萬剪列10萬剪列10萬剪列10萬剪列10萬剪列10萬員,沒見通過33案並通案,科目辦理
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transcript.whisperx[278].text 來看34案
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transcript.whisperx[279].text 主決議 沒意見通過主決議 沒意見通過主決議 文字修正 沒意見就修正通過
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transcript.whisperx[280].text 哪一個部分驚悚?
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transcript.whisperx[281].text 中央政府政務禁用人員逃射風波不斷 這個驚悚嗎哪一段 比較刺激一點 這個不是事實嗎 逃射風波不斷 最近不在剛發生嗎 哪裡有刺激哪一段驚悚 我看不出來 雖然我們有兩行的修正建議 是不是麻煩你先告訴我們哪一段驚悚 怎麼可以隨便污衊我們洪孟凱委員的提案哪一段驚悚 逃射風波不斷
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transcript.whisperx[282].text 希望對張子敬政委
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transcript.whisperx[283].text 秘書長結案什麼時候公佈
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transcript.whisperx[284].text 修正的保留是不是可以保留好 那就是事實後案就保留我們結案什麼時候要公布這個我們會請已經有給院長看過也確認這個部分我們會對外來做說明什麼時候43案主結議沒見召喚通過14案主結議沒有見召喚通過45案主結議沒有見召喚通過46案
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transcript.whisperx[285].text 有沒有意見46案是對於現階段他這個是針對陳院長的在補選的裡面的一些意見那是不是這個能夠保留哪一個不符合事實哪一段不符合事實請說明兩個不是真的你講一下吧
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transcript.whisperx[286].text 假視察征服選,哪一段不符合事實?我們有具體舉出來,10月15日出席高雄軟體園區科技大學開工典禮,10月30日國山行程交流道...先講一下,說不定我們可以測哪一段是不正確的講一下11月15日原來安排前往花東視察,卻更改行程前往民進黨花東肇事活動但用行政資源利用上班時間進行拜校服選
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transcript.whisperx[287].text 院的建議在哪裡?我們沒有看到
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transcript.whisperx[288].text 你們如果說文字修正就要提東西要給我們看如果沒有你就不要講喔齁
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transcript.whisperx[289].text 上台支持公安幫民進黨候選人拉票
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transcript.whisperx[290].text 陳建仁院長事情我們來慎重處理 來看看吧
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transcript.whisperx[291].text 趕快阿他已經講了阿所以他們沒有意見阿默認阿立法院黨不認真阿我們建議這個案子還是保留我們比較慎重的不要不要慎重你先拿來看吧為什麼要保留是哪一段不符合實情立法院黨拿來看啦
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transcript.whisperx[292].text 要擺的全部以下都保留喔還是你沒辦法說明 請院長自己來46案啦 46案啦 行政中立的問題阿來一位陳建仁先生阿 你明白喔
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transcript.whisperx[293].text 這上面都有寫阿 10月15號出席高雄軟體園區科技大學 具體事證都寫出來喔
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transcript.whisperx[294].text 不是 他現在說的是陳建仁 不是立委陳建仁陳建仁院長多次利用公務假視察政府選公然為民進黨籍候選人輔選拉票高雄每一個都說我們立委啊這不譴責 這不錯啦 民進黨 文字拿出來啊不然 院長 政府要拿出來啊政府的資源辦了 典禮勒政府的資源辦了 也不是你民進黨自己辦可以啦是不是 民進黨家 講不出來
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transcript.whisperx[295].text 行政院長陳建仁公然在上面拉票他有主持主持可以但不用在上面拉票嘛這是不對的嘛他怎麼拉票啊公然123你看123的跳一下上台支持公然幫民進黨候選人拉票啊
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transcript.whisperx[296].text 11月14號花東立委總部現任的總部是民進黨的吧讓民進黨及候選人穿敬賢背心上台對誰提案的來說明一下
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transcript.whisperx[297].text 你現在是做行政的秘書長喔?沒有啦,你給秘書長說啦
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transcript.whisperx[298].text 完全執政 完全護航就對了民政院長去到任何地方去報紙或剪輯反正都會通知當地立法委員還不通知就比較沒辦法 沒錯阿但是這邊是通知民進黨的候選人喔 不是立法委員喔花東不是民進黨喔
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transcript.whisperx[300].text 會提醒來大家注意就是說政務人員跟民選首長雖非公務人員行政中立法規範對象但是從事與選舉或補選相關行為應該於請假或下班時間並且不動用這個我們這個文字是不是看一下嗎?那給我們看他是立委 現任立委你剛剛不是說現任立委可以嗎?我們說是不實現的嘛大家看一下嘛不管哪個地方那個
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transcript.whisperx[301].text 議員也去 反省議會也去地方有關的民意代表會去每個地方都是這樣你們執政縣市也是一樣你把中間改掉這案子就保留改很多啦只是把所有事實都改掉 但是改的內容沒有不好 說真的
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transcript.whisperx[302].text 有啊 那個原詞要求行政院長陳建仁結身自愛 謹守行政 這個要保留啦這文字一點都不驚悚阿他已經非常自愛了 結智了 那就再前面加一句他已經非常結身自愛 要求再結身自愛你作文都不通嘛通現在文字喔 要有改來嘛
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transcript.whisperx[303].text 這個文字這樣修改可以嗎他就是留後面那句嘛 要求寫生字 前面這段是可以的還不錯要求 要求政務聯局明顯首長這有本意的意味嘛
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transcript.whisperx[304].text 如果沒有辦法行政公示就保留啦好不好好保留46案保留47案主決議沒有意見召喚通過48案主決議48案這個因為是針對政府院長那我們是不是建議這個能夠保留
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transcript.whisperx[305].text 政務院的事發案 一下 協議 要不要保留好啦 別再弄了啦沒有意見就保留喔那四十九案 主席四十九案裡面有講到各種國家對啦 那裡面有很多我們也覺得不容易修改 所以是不是也建議保留不是 有不是事實嗎 你要怎樣針對我們黨團提案的說哪一些不是事實 我們可以刪掉 比如說
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transcript.whisperx[306].text 彈價上漲小市店賣快篩這個不是事實嗎這個有點像中國時報社論不好啊怎麼中國時報社論這個政府全力扶植高端公司一廂通過審查這不是事實嗎報內線交易不是事實嗎小市店賣快篩不是事實嗎一人超市公司取得上億進口彈草財款這些都是事實啊為什麼要保留
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transcript.whisperx[307].text 為什麼保留 這都是國家級詐騙為什麼保留 你在掩護詐騙嗎我認為是這樣嘛 你們沒有共識他們要說明啊 到底立法院慎重提出案子 有哪裡是不對的我們可以改嘛如果對的就應該通過啊你們黨團沒有共識就應該保留啦你們要求國藝人 黨團協商不過我們請行政部門說明有什麼不對的什麼國藝人 等一下是國藝人
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transcript.whisperx[308].text 其實你看這寫了一大篇 真正最重要的是最後兩行
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transcript.whisperx[309].text 原此要求行政院跟所屬部會 要施政避免濫用國家隊 損及政府威信那意思就是說講了這麼多國家隊 成立了幾十個 四十個國家隊那是不是太多了啊就是你們把國家隊污名化啊這麼好的東西被你們污名化啊
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transcript.whisperx[310].text 好沒有共識我們就保留啦齁好49案沒有共識保留50案主決議我們有建議一些修正的文字有有在大家手上有有沒有修正最後一張最後一張50案
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transcript.whisperx[311].text 這個為什麼刪掉 行政院宣布投入14億是沒有投入是嗎是數字寫錯了還是寫太少或寫太多行政院去年7月宣布投入14億成立長大國家隊他投入14億元 這六個字刪掉的主要原因是寫錯了 太少還是太多還是你們當時沒說數字
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transcript.whisperx[312].text 原因是什麼 為什麼要刪掉這個民主黨要請教一下就是主要是 文字對照會覺得說好像 又講說投入14億但是成績 打詐成績完全不及格 這兩個連動不是啊 你們有沒有投入14億嘛 有沒有投入投入有 是有 為什麼要刪掉 有宣布投入14億但是他這個不是一年啦 是兩年不管嘛 去年 我們只寫的是去年7月宣布這個是事實嘛 在未來那這句為什麼要刪掉
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transcript.whisperx[313].text 打詐成績完全不合格 百姓覺得你的打詐成績合格嗎
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transcript.whisperx[314].text 我想也有一些成果啦你覺得可以打幾分合格是不是沒有啦 那你協商他要修改我們怎麼知道他修改的原因可以啊我們問說他修改14億是不是真的有投入時間他說有嘛有就不用管嘛
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transcript.whisperx[315].text 政府打仗成績完全不行他認為可以嘛我問他說大概幾分嘛那回答一下就好了啊他可以寫進來啊你不是問他我問你怎麼會知道他才是行政院啦行政院在打仗還是柯建民在打仗為什麼這樣保留
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transcript.whisperx[316].text 他要刪掉這段很奇怪啊 我們理性的提出來他為什麼要刪掉勒
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transcript.whisperx[317].text 為什麼每個人都要保留 居住正義這個 叫你們做居住正義有什麼要保留的咧你們又改了什麼 主決議為什麼要保留
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transcript.whisperx[318].text 有修改什麼文字有什麼需要修改的嗎因為裡面有蠻多不容易去修改 比如說大撒幣
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transcript.whisperx[319].text 忽略最關鍵的房東不讓房租領補貼這個是事實啊哪一段是不對的
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transcript.whisperx[320].text 五十一案保留五十二案
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transcript.whisperx[321].text 請國防部一年內做具體規劃
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transcript.whisperx[322].text 那這個事實上之前有沒有撤離過 有啊在阿扁總統的時候這個三金魚退就有撤離過啊所以你說這個到底有什麼樣的困難那本來現在的狀況是說你要去做這個中間建廠的規劃等等之類的那你可以你的這個轉型本來這個三金魚退的撤離本來就是可以
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transcript.whisperx[323].text 去先去做嘛那並不是說要等待什麼同向的處置才可以去處理啊那這個每年都有這一題啦我們先保留一下好不好沒有我的要求是說我的提案只是說叫他一年內去就這個三軍移退撤離中央紀念堂去規劃嘛那本來他就可以提出一個規劃保留啊好那國防部也不是在這裡啊
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transcript.whisperx[324].text 行政院便便部就到此告一段落結束接下來就到原民會
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transcript.whisperx[325].text 我們現在要進行園民會的...我們進行園民會 首先介紹園民會的列席所長園民會的主任委員 宜將伯洛
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transcript.whisperx[326].text 好那接下來就請大家看五十三案那五十三案改為主決議沒有意見就通過五十案改為主決議沒有意見通過那五十五案五十五案是怎麼樣五十五案你改主決議吧對不對好沒有意見通過好
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transcript.whisperx[327].text 那五十六案也改組結議,沒有意見通過那五十七案也改組結議好,五十七案也改組結議好,那沒有意見就通過五十八案改組結議
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transcript.whisperx[328].text 五十八案改組結議但沒有意見通過五十九案已經改組結議但沒有意見通過六十案組結議文字修正但沒有意見通過六十一案組結議文字修正沒有意見通過六十二案組結議沒有意見通過
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transcript.whisperx[329].text 六十三案 主決議 文字修正 沒意見就修正通過六十四案 主決議 文字修正 沒意見就修正通過六十五案 主決議 沒意見通過
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transcript.whisperx[330].text 我介紹一下列席的首長
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transcript.whisperx[331].text 現在換客家委員會,那列席的首長是主任委員楊長正先生接下來就請大家看70案70案改組結議,沒有見通過71案改組結議,沒有見通過72案改組結議,沒有見通過73案改凍結100萬年,沒有見通過
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transcript.whisperx[332].text 74案 並委員會決議辦理沒有先通過75案 改組決議沒有先通過76案 改組決議沒有先通過77案 改組決議沒有先通過78案 改組決議沒有先通過79案 改組決議沒有先通過80案 改組決議沒有先通過81案 改組決議沒有先通過82案 改組決議沒有先通過
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transcript.whisperx[333].text 改組結議沒有意見通過改組結議沒有意見通過改組結議沒有意見通過改組結議沒有意見通過
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transcript.whisperx[334].text 那接下來就換大陸委員會
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transcript.whisperx[335].text 中選會我先來介紹列席的所長中選會是他們自己拿他們那一本去
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transcript.whisperx[336].text 現在進行中選會那中選會列席的首長主任委員李敬勇先生現在就請大家看中選會九十案九十案溝通改為主介議文字有一點修正大家
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transcript.whisperx[337].text 沒有簽沒有簽
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transcript.whisperx[338].text 有溝通沒簽字啦沒有簽啦,溝通為國有沒有簽字沒有簽那就保留謝謝來,91案先謝謝昭緯昭緯已經同意撤簽撤簽,撤案啦撤案,對不起,撤案撤案嘛好,撤,謝謝撤案
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transcript.whisperx[339].text 好九十二案並委員會皆辦理好好 民意見通過九十三案
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transcript.whisperx[340].text 這個沒有併委員會 這個好像有溝通嗎有跟黨團溝通嗎93你就是像你溝通就可以了但這個我們想要先保留請委員支持我們會議順便報告我想這一案黨團是希望保留93案保留90案併委員結辦理沒有見通過
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transcript.whisperx[341].text 95案改組決議,沒有意見通過96案並委員會決議辦理,沒有意見通過97案改組決議,沒有意見通過98案改組決議,沒有意見通過99案這個
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transcript.whisperx[342].text 改為書面報告 那沒有見通過改書面報告 可以嗎
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transcript.whisperx[343].text 主席主席
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transcript.whisperx[344].text 稍安通過101案主決議就稍安通過
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transcript.whisperx[345].text 對不起 是改書面 改書面什麼改書面96案 96案就病委員會決一半禮阿對 病委員會決一半禮是沒有錯病委員會決一半禮就很好阿是怎麼樣好 謝謝有文字要修改是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[346].text 對 就改成書面了
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transcript.whisperx[347].text 我們現在換看大陸委員會首先介紹列席的首長主任委員秋泰山先生接下來請大家看102案
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transcript.whisperx[348].text 102案那個賴世保委員那個說這個案子要保留你們沒有過去溝通齁報告院長跟委員齁我們本來跟他定明天早上11點那因為這個臨時提早到這邊那我們剛剛有去跟他的主任報告但是他的主任好像還是希望能夠堅持他們是希望堅持來我們現在處理好了
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transcript.whisperx[350].text 請我們保留的我們尊重一下提案
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transcript.whisperx[352].text 為什麼你們突然不能保留了是怎樣 那兇兇不可以前面幾個都保留 我們也是現場 你也應該現場決定
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transcript.whisperx[353].text 委員會結論是多少
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transcript.whisperx[354].text 102案併文的接辦禮
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transcript.whisperx[355].text 103案 並委員會接辦 禮儀沒有見通過104案 並委員會接辦 禮儀沒有見通過105案 並委員會接辦 禮儀沒有見通過106案 台灣民眾黨說明文字我們已經有給民眾黨了啦
transcript.whisperx[356].start 16103.843
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transcript.whisperx[356].text 委員會是多少
transcript.whisperx[357].start 16131.631
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transcript.whisperx[357].text 這題先保留好不好這題東團就堅持
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transcript.whisperx[358].text 法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[359].text 主席主席
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transcript.whisperx[360].text 並委員結辦禮提書面報告
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transcript.whisperx[361].text 107 本席
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transcript.whisperx[362].text 一億五千多萬 其中主管的費用是六千五百萬這一次增加了四千五百萬里頭根據跟往年的預算比較人事及行政費用就增加了兩千萬從九千八百萬變成一億一千八百萬
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transcript.whisperx[363].text 今年增加的預算裡頭 兩岸文書驗證 聯合服務中心兩岸婚姻親子關懷 司法行政互助 只有增加35萬6千但是人事行政費增加2千萬
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transcript.whisperx[364].text 所以我想 因為我有請我當時有跟那個陸委會長說這個要請海紀委說明齁那這個 我也說過齁但是還沒有來說明前就給我扣紅帽子到媒體去給我扣帽子說為了什麼中國啊什麼就刪海紀委今年增加四千五百萬有兩千萬是人事及行政費用人事費用裡頭六千五百萬的主管的費用換句話說一個月五百萬是主管啊我看過他們主管的薪水他們一年還有一千萬的獎金啊
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transcript.whisperx[365].text 海基會做什麼事有一年有一千萬的獎金每個人薪水一個月都是十幾萬 二十幾萬海基會現在有什麼功能 功能很少嘛做最多的就是兩岸文書院證 今年增加預算只有35萬多所以我想請問這個因為我請海基會說明 海基會沒有來說明嘛今天我人都在這裡 他們也知道
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transcript.whisperx[366].text 所以我覺得這個應該照本席的提案通過了然後我也說了如果入委會宣布明年就開放那個入客到金門來旅遊我這個案子馬上撤掉
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transcript.whisperx[367].text 說明一下好不好大家都想知道啦
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transcript.whisperx[368].text 主題啊 為什麼增加兩千萬 告訴我一下
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transcript.whisperx[369].text 主席 您的提案我的提案 人事局行政費暴漲兩千萬公共臺灣要求臺灣人參加這個提案就是 海基會福利不夠嘛陳議員再做報告沒有啦 那個主委來你先不要講啦你先不要講是不是陳議員陳委員 其實喔
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transcript.whisperx[370].text 這個案子也發生出來了你寫了也不清楚啦你那一百空氣站你那減四千五百萬那個喔那是增加的喔不是歷來的今年增加四千五百萬我就跟你說你現在講的跟你的提案講的就是兩件事因為你們不看內部嘛完全就不相干嘛因為你們都沒有看內部的預算我們是仔細看預算啊你仔細看預算你要把你三點理由寫進去
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transcript.whisperx[371].text 你的暗友你是講說什麼中共臺辦要求臺商不得參加我說的是他們到金門這件事情沒有辦得很好當然嘛我意思是說 你就笑成這樣你就說什麼中共臺辦要求臺商不得參加海基會考察活動
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transcript.whisperx[372].text 你當然這樣寫會引發誤會嘛你們不查清楚就給他弄媒體不對不對沒有人這樣扣你紅帽是講說你為什麼不去譴責老公你看扣你紅帽扣得讓你這樣笑嘻嘻你多開心啊你把紅帽子往頭上戴啊
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transcript.whisperx[373].text 我先請問一下為什麼要增加人事 增加兩千萬啊陳委員 這個你昨天還正在媒體講話如果讀你這個案的話看起來會覺得說這個是中共要求臺商不得參加海基會活動那到底跟陸委會有什麼事啊
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transcript.whisperx[374].text 是陸委會補助海基會的因為他的費用是列在陸委會的法證處下面啦因為預算是這樣編的因為你這個案有的話人家閱讀你這個案的時候也會覺得說欸奇怪這是對案要求的那到底不是我們後面有寫嘛陸委會長年編列預算補助海基會服務台商而且我後來看了陳一正講補助的嘛我還看了一個你這個寫法剛好被人家說你是紅的剛好而已啊
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transcript.whisperx[375].text 這個我是不是紅的不重要啦我也不在意你們說我是什麼顏色但是重點啦重點就是請問一下為什麼要增加兩千萬我到現在還沒有聽到說明啊但是我有看到兩千萬你入圍海基位需要兩千萬的人海基位已經薪水都很高了捏
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transcript.whisperx[376].text 6500萬的主管喔 總共一多二人事喔他那講人事費2000萬 譬如說他的名﹖他的緣額﹖他的緣額增加了多少還是他加了薪水 還是怎麼樣阿怎麼會人事費突然
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transcript.whisperx[377].text 有講真話齁來 謝謝兩個字就好 不要講太多保留這樣兩個字就好
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transcript.whisperx[378].text 市長也剛剛花那麼多時間嘛那益貞很認真提了這個案請邱志偉你們講清楚言簡意乾你為什麼要增加對海基會的補助4千5百萬講清楚按你的講的理由充分益貞會同意啊對不對
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transcript.whisperx[379].text 第一 基本上陳議員認為2000萬都是用在所謂的人事費上事實上因為院長跟委員都知道因為我們公務人員有調薪還有考積的晉級所以這個也會增加勞健保跟退出金的支出
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transcript.whisperx[380].text 所以在人事費用的部分是增加643萬其他的是增加業務的增加那這個業務的增加包括深化台商還有台生還有陸配的聯繫跟交流那我們的海基會因為各位大家都知道那最近這幾年的整個兩岸的經貿情勢特別大陸的情勢在台商經營上確實會產生進退或者是轉這樣的一個問題
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transcript.whisperx[381].text 所以他有一個台商法律服務的團隊 那我們陸委會是台商張老師那他們有另外一個服務團隊 可以要到中國大陸去協助不管是稅務的 不管是業務的 不管是他經營的 公司治理的那他們有這個團隊 所以他們去的話 要增加人員的人事跟行政的費用
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transcript.whisperx[382].text 主席
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transcript.whisperx[383].text 《中華民國113年度中央政府總預算案》
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transcript.whisperx[384].text 那這個每一個都是要海基會他們要協助家屬或者是有的家屬不要接那我那個實在坦白講接回來國內的這個地方政府也很痛苦因為有的要請他們幫忙協助那這個都是要聯繫的啦
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transcript.whisperx[385].text 所以就我所知啦當然比較細的項目還有哪些我沒有辦法帶他回來所以我請那個秘書長 邱秘書長去跟你做說明原因也在這裡但是大概就我所知道的至少這幾個項目所以他的人事費用只有在你剛剛提到兩千多裡面大概是這個643是他因為運營薪資 薪水的調整所衍生下來其他費用我大概可以跟各位做這樣一個補充說明
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transcript.whisperx[386].text 說一下齁 剛剛那個陸...沒有沒有沒有 因為他剛剛講有一些不...不正確 不完全齁 我講一下齁 當然 因為齁 事實上因為可能你們因為法政處長沒有跟你報告完全啦齁這個事實上他增加費用說寫在這個海基會的這個預算書的第28頁齁你剛剛說的這個海...法律業務的確有加錢齁4500萬元的法律業務有增加 增加了519000啦
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transcript.whisperx[387].text 兩岸溝通業務增加246萬這些都跟我說這一筆2000萬沒有關係人民緊急救助200萬 海商聯繫服務增加100萬 這都還是另外的喔這個我有做比較表 把去年跟今年的預算書的比較表做出來我說這2000萬是人事及行政 因為你們每一次的預算項目都是一樣的
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transcript.whisperx[388].text 他這兩千萬就是人事﹐辦理政府委託事項及人事及行政事務費事項他也寫了 寫在這裡 寫在第28頁裡頭他增加的這錢裡頭除了你說那個晉級以外還接著對外媒體的報道那個說明也是錯誤的除了那個晉級以外人事費增加那個晉級以外剩下的是一般行政增加了709萬3千請問一般行政的業務費為什麼要增加那麼多做什麼事情要增加700多萬
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transcript.whisperx[389].text 阿剛剛你說那個兩岸文書院只有增加三十萬六千啦齁整體情勢出版增加一百一十萬這些我都沒有講你還說兩岸多溝通那個你們只增加了十萬塊兩岸多溝通聯繫協調的費用去年 今年比去年只多十萬塊
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transcript.whisperx[390].text 所以你們增加有兩千萬是人事及行政費用你說那個正常的薪水調漲扣掉以後還有這個光你們的這裡面寫的就還有七百零九萬是一般行政費用到底做什麼事情要增加七百零九萬來啦這條你時代力量我講一下齁我講一下齁我們各黨團希望都有機會講因為當然就是說這個案
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transcript.whisperx[391].text 基本上是因為這個案有是因為說這個中共國台辦要求說臺商不能參加海基會的活動的考察嘛那有18位臺商沒辦法跟這個臺商協會的會長跟臺企聯常務副會長被告知不得參加所以他不敢來臺灣
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transcript.whisperx[392].text 那今天這個是因為中共的關係那這個陸委會他即便他的很多工作是在協助這個補助海基會在服務台上而且這個看起來這個是法政業務
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transcript.whisperx[393].text 台商在中國會面對很多法律上的問題所以需要去對它做支援給予我們的台商在中國的時候許多必要的協助我是看不出來是說因為
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transcript.whisperx[394].text 這一個案他被要求不得這個反台那陸委會也是沒有辦法啊這個要怎麼處理陸委會增加這個法律的協助有51萬我再說明一下這不是刪他的因為是刪他今年比去年增加的多了4500萬喔往年的預算還是存在喔今年比去年多增加了4500萬喔多給了4500萬我說那用到哪裡嘛
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transcript.whisperx[395].text 法律服務部分有增加50幾萬兩岸文書驗證做最多增加36萬你們多增加是人事及行政費用你說正常的薪水增加 這個我接受給你多幾百萬
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transcript.whisperx[396].text 多一千萬要用去哪裡你不知道 我知道
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transcript.whisperx[397].text 做台商的服務不是只有單純的法律服務稅務的服務包括公司治理的服務包括他未來全球佈局的服務那個都包括在內那不是只有法律啦所以我要講的就是說他那裡面就是你剛剛只是針對法律的部分是五十幾萬兩岸溝通協調聯繫交流有增加兩百四十六萬那是兩岸溝通協調但是我剛剛講的是台商的服務這跟那個人事我沒有關係喔
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transcript.whisperx[398].text 所以它裡面是包括人事費用就剛剛講643其他的其他是行政的費用啊多了行政費用不是只有法務啊多了幾千萬的行政費用這樣去打啦 保留啦
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transcript.whisperx[399].text 主委喔可不可以請教一下我們去年陸委會補助給海基會的費用總共是多少
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transcript.whisperx[400].text 一億五那今年加一億四千一億四千八就將近一億五嘛那所以照陳玉珍委員的講法就是現在等於現在變成一億九千四等於是多加了四千五百萬對不對好沒有關係那可不可以請教主委主要的問題是就是他增加了加了四千五百萬等於幾乎加了三分之一喔對不對所以那意思就是說明年海基會的功能
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transcript.whisperx[401].text 要比現在 要增加三分之一
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transcript.whisperx[402].text 譬如說他原本有一定會增加但是增加到多少是包括他們自己估算的因為這是很少見對一個機關的預算你的補助會一次增加三分之一這是非常驚人的所以可不可以請你說明一下你期許他明年比他現在要能夠多做什麼值得你多給他三分之一的預算
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transcript.whisperx[403].text 這是很驚人的 譬如我們 立法院不管多少錢我立委薪水一次多二三分之一 喔 怕死人啦所以這個部分當然我倒是建議 陸委會應該講清楚說你是基於什麼樣的判斷 然後你要一次加三分之一的預算補助給海基會 這個應該要講
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transcript.whisperx[404].text 主委講完沒有公示我們就保留請主委繼續
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transcript.whisperx[405].text 第二部分當然就是業務上的增加那是他們自己也有做了他們初步的這樣的一個大概幾個項目的提高那我們法政處就認為說他這個確實是值得鼓勵的所以我們就可以這樣的一個經費上的補助
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transcript.whisperx[406].text 所以基本上是他們自己 估算過去 已經有做 可以再增加的 譬如剛剛我所提到的 現在台商遇到的問題 可能比以前更多 我想這個大家都可以理解 因為整個全球化 跟這個供應鏈的生產的問題所以啊 這條保留就好了啦 這條不是這個原因啦 這條幫你凍結 這條台灣不是這個原因啦
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transcript.whisperx[407].text 109 改組結議
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transcript.whisperx[408].text 111案並委員會決議辦理沒有見通過111案改組決議沒有見通過112案這個賴委員有意見
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transcript.whisperx[409].text 118
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transcript.whisperx[410].text 我們休息五分鐘五分鐘後我們處理不當單產處理委員會的這個預算
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transcript.whisperx[411].text 法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[412].text 來 我們繼續開會接下來我們討論不當單場處理委員會的預算首先介紹歷史的首長不當單場處理委員會主任委員林峰正先生接下來請大家看119案119案 來
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transcript.whisperx[413].text 暫停會議
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transcript.whisperx[414].text 是保留嗎保留啦保留
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transcript.whisperx[415].text 一百二十一案就兵通山科目一百二十案這種還要一二二這個是我的案子喔不是啊這種為什麼要派國派員出國考察咧國家錢這樣亂用喔
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transcript.whisperx[416].text 一二二
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transcript.whisperx[417].text 一二二保留一二三組結議
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transcript.whisperx[418].text 有沒有意見 主席有沒有意見有意見那就保留齁郭總召建議保留 那我們就保留喔接下來我們換內政部主管內政部主管
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transcript.whisperx[419].text 介紹列席所長介紹內政部部長林佑昌先生接下來請大家看124案增列300萬年有沒有意見改增列100委員同意
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transcript.whisperx[420].text 修改成為增列一百萬元沒有意見通過一二五案通案那就併通案喔一二五併通案一二六
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transcript.whisperx[421].text 求選制來組決議文字修正黨團商已經蓋了並委員會決議凍結民政業務一百萬好126並委員會決議凍結一百萬好哇你這個你這個委員會有凍結嗎有有民政業務有凍一百萬
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transcript.whisperx[422].text 民政業務有動議嗎一般是他們自己提的民政業務啦改動民政業務這是內政部提的啦好126案並一般行政業務動結100萬並不是民政
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transcript.whisperx[423].text 他有一個叫做民政業務他民政業務有那個跟那個黨團時代黨團已經改章了啦是民政業務有凍結一百萬並委員會決議凍結民政業務一百萬元那提出報告啦好有他自己寫很清楚啦好
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transcript.whisperx[424].text 改組決議三個月
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transcript.whisperx[425].text 文字修改為三個月,對不對?沒有意見就主決議,文字修正通過128案,並委員會決議辦理,有沒有意見?沒有意見通過129案,我們部裡面建議改組決議
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transcript.whisperx[426].text 一大本都沒有跟委員溝通
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transcript.whisperx[427].text 我們可能再臨時這樣開啦齁因為本來沒有嘛齁是不是還是要等他們溝通完再來繼續好像那個你們那個提案可能還沒有時間溝通啦齁沒有啊 因為可能我們今天才決定可能今天因為才決定要臨時晚上開他們沒有時間溝通嘛那是不是就讓他們去溝通完再來繼續我們現在就決定好不好
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transcript.whisperx[428].text 上位溝通了這麼多喔
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transcript.whisperx[429].text 就請委員總召裁決因為委員會已經凍結一百萬年我們就是併委員會結議辦理好不好好啦好啦併委員會結議辦理再來130案改組結議沒有建議就通過好好131案也是併委員會結議辦理好不好好沒有建議就這樣
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transcript.whisperx[430].text 那132也併委員結辦理如何131是改組決議吧131改組決議132就因為沒有看到 你們有沒有印出來那個是剛剛休息的時間才蓋到的
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transcript.whisperx[431].text 一百三十二案主決議改為主決議那沒有意見就照樣通過一三三案三個月不是一個月啦一三三案已經跟黨團報告過同意改為主決議沒有同意吧一三三有同意沒有同意喔所以這邊是希望還是可以做一些凍結然後交一個報告吧
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transcript.whisperx[432].text 應該是這樣吧,就我這邊收到的訊息是這樣對阿,他就是尚未完成溝通對阿,還沒有捏有溝通但溝通未果阿你不可以說我同意改成主決議喔你這樣說,我會打他咧中華委員,我們就這個就你們的133我們就併委員會啦,好不好不是阿,併委員會是怎麼樣因為他剛剛的講法跟黨團的那個...委員會已經動一百了嘛委員會已經動一百了按照我們努力的結果好不好
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transcript.whisperx[433].text 跟徐總統報告過嗎?報告過,這還不是這樣沒有,他原則是同意他原則同意,真的我沒有看到籤沒有啦,他在傳記,你給他翻不是跟傳記沒有關係啦他只是在溝通就這樣
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transcript.whisperx[434].text 這樣保留啦好不好這樣感覺我們有差異那個預算科目是在部裡面專規室那這個建議的內容是我們警政署部裡面跟警政署同仁都有跟主任當面報告過他們也同意改為組決議他是不是就跟那個委員會嗎好 委員會好好 並委員結一半禮
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transcript.whisperx[436].text 改組決議就了?已經蓋章了這133改組決議嗎?這次已經蓋章了改組決議啊?134已經拿到蓋章了對啦 你們有就是說
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transcript.whisperx[437].text 如果有同意要有簽名而且應該趕快去印現在你們手頭上趕快印每一個黨團都要花
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transcript.whisperx[438].text 要給院長啊我根本都不知道什麼 都聽你們講 查一查這樣有順效嗎要給院長 說得順效有 有在現場已經被人家揭穿了 大家都有了 各種各樣 都揭穿了
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transcript.whisperx[439].text 上位溝通一本是你們的還是他們的沒有沒有這是內政部的
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transcript.whisperx[440].text 我們必須要
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transcript.whisperx[441].text 講一個講到尾我們今天能覺得就決一決
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transcript.whisperx[442].text 第二點就是說我們內政委會今天在開會的時候 大家都有聽到 我有宣誓就是一個月兩個月都改為三個月
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transcript.whisperx[443].text 主席主席
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transcript.whisperx[444].text 現在開始進行135案文字修正並文會結議辦理沒有見通過136案改組結議沒有見通過137案文字修正並文會結議辦理沒有見通過138改組結議沒有見通過139
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transcript.whisperx[445].text 139 實例的139 改組決議 文字修正139 案 改為組決議可能要麻煩人家 盡量齁 盡量支持
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transcript.whisperx[446].text 好那有有有有啦齁好139案改為主決議沒有見通過140案文字修正並委員會決議辦理沒有見通過好141案要國動委員提案的這個案有沒有怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[447].text 沒有沒有他也沒有提喔沒有沒有完全沒有沒有意見阿應該是沒意見嘛這個案子應該內政部也沒意見嘛照要委員的吧因為他們也沒修任何東西阿有跟委員報告過了委員同意修測案那委員還沒有簽名他同意測案是嗎好141案是吧測案分隊他同意阿
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transcript.whisperx[448].text 141案 測案142案 文字修正並委員會決議辦理沒有見通過143案廖國棟委員的沒有見名喔
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transcript.whisperx[449].text 144案
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transcript.whisperx[450].text 議員長,144案這個是護證資料外洩的那一直到今年的10月這個檢方也認證說這個在2022年10月去年這個護證資料外洩是我國的護證資料
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transcript.whisperx[451].text 所以就這部分內政部到現在也沒有一個行政調查報告那針對到底是說這個外洩影響的這個層面這麼廣那到底是說原因何在到底是什麼原因導致這個附證資料外洩而且現在檢察官檢方這邊也認證說這是我國附證資料了
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transcript.whisperx[452].text 那究竟這個副政的業務資安管理是出了什麼問題應該要怎麼改善啊那應該要有一個這個調查報告來說明並且是說徹底的去檢討嘛那你現在要把我改的這個我不會同意啊等於是說
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transcript.whisperx[456].text 我這樣講很直白有錯要認錯知錯能改善莫大焉而不是不讓人家去讓你檢討跟改善沒有反對檢討改進所以他這個檢討跟改善措施也給人家槓桿不讓人家寫你要看他這個尚未完成溝通版他改的這個內容
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transcript.whisperx[457].text 第一個就是說你本來從去年這已經是一年了一年多的時間了然後檢察官都已經去認證說這個是我國的戶政資料了到現在一年多了你還沒有辦法調查出原因這也太離譜了
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transcript.whisperx[463].text 文字會修正
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transcript.whisperx[465].text 152改凍結100萬元文字修正沒有意見通過153改組結議沒有意見通過文字修正有文字修正153改組結議文字修正沒有意見通過154改組結議文字修正文字修正沒有意見就修正通過155改凍結20萬元沒有意見通過文字修正有文字修正我們叫文字修正
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transcript.whisperx[469].text 剪列五百萬改主席好了好不好委員說現場處理啦就改主席啦怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[470].text 改組協議162案改組協議163並通三辦理164改組協議
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transcript.whisperx[472].text 166案改組結議166案改組結議167案有沒有改組結議
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transcript.whisperx[473].text 改刪減業務﹑議政業務﹑科目執行調整
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transcript.whisperx[477].text 同意動200然後文字修正
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transcript.whisperx[478].text 同意動200好172同意動200萬年文字組修正那沒人先通過173案173跟剛剛那個附贈資料外洩一樣就先保留保留173保留沒有人先通過174
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transcript.whisperx[490].text 徵列400萬徵列400萬198修改為徵列400萬199因為這兩個案是通案199和200都是通案對不對他是兩個通案
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transcript.whisperx[491].text 有跟這個邱委員這邊的溝通他是說現場處理就是他也希望他本來是希望他能來現場表達意見對啦但是他們還是就黨團這邊是希望還是要有一個那個動結數之後精進補助的相關計畫審查核定之後有順便報告再解凍啦看這個國土署這邊願不願意這樣子阿如果不行的話我們就先保留好不好我是建議
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transcript.whisperx[492].text 主決議不要說一個主決議改你們的文章主決議比較快
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transcript.whisperx[493].text 暫時保留 暫時保留裡面溝通一下等一下晚一點可以回頭來
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transcript.whisperx[495].text 好 沒有一線的通過
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transcript.whisperx[511].text 法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[517].text 那本來送到那邊 修正版本都是寫改組決議 但是他最後送回來還是所以你有跟人家談好嗎他後來又寫金了邱先生你這個大咖的 你這個民進黨數字都有寫在這裡的啊你當然有跟人家說好事啊
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transcript.whisperx[521].text 總預算多少?200多億是吧?
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transcript.whisperx[522].text 市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長
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transcript.whisperx[523].text 按照文字修正後可以解凍這樣就好了這樣實在定這樣可以嗎 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[524].text 現在我們跟歐一山 歐一山文字修正 並不能接半年
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transcript.whisperx[533].text 243有修正文字243有修正文字243有修正文字243主決議 文字修正 沒意見就修正通過244主決議 沒意見就招待通過245主決議 文字修正 沒意見就修正通過
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transcript.whisperx[534].text 246 組結議 文書修正 民運建築 施政通過247 組結議 民運建築 照案通過
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transcript.whisperx[535].text 到警政署了28我們就看大家
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transcript.whisperx[537].text 民眾申訴案
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transcript.whisperx[542].text 改組接文字修正通過好那251就是有文字修正的好那就文字修正
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transcript.whisperx[543].text 主協議文字修正通過252改主協議文字修正253改主協議文字修正254測案
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transcript.whisperx[544].text 報告報告報告報告報告
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transcript.whisperx[545].text 二五五二五五二五五
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transcript.whisperx[546].text 院長256他要改主決意我不同意啦 署長因為你這個爆閃燈的這個問題啦那其實你我在質詢的時候你也答得非常好他並不是耗字嘛所以他基本上他的狀況現在是處在一個依法無據的這個狀況那這個對我們基層的警察同仁也非常不公平啦因為警察法的第一課就是要依法行政嘛
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transcript.whisperx[547].text 那現在地方上 有四個 全台灣竟然有四個警察局他是沒有裝設爆散針的那也有許多的警察局已經不再採購了所以變成是說一個國家 台灣竟然各地的警察局有這麼多不一樣的做法
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transcript.whisperx[548].text 而且他是完全依法無據的情況之下所以在這全台灣6751處這個紅藍爆閃燈那他基本上並不是交通部法定的號誌嘛那連包括署長你還有交通部長王國才部長也都對這個詞非常保留的態度啊所以我是覺得說你要去研議有一個更合理的替代的措施嘛
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transcript.whisperx[549].text 他本來的用意是說 偷心 模仿警車散 民眾警示
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transcript.whisperx[550].text 久來後大家就知道那個不是警車那個不是警用的這些裝置所以就這部分的話真的我是覺得第一就是依依法無懼萬一他會造成比如說用戶人的視覺戰略或是短暫失明等危險反而如果真的發生危險的時候那警察局不是要去賠這個錢對不對
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transcript.whisperx[551].text 所以應該是交通還是要有專業的來你不是說警政署然後礙於這種地方的民代的壓力然後就去裝設這樣的一個部分那人家交通部也都持一個反對的態度
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transcript.whisperx[552].text 所以我是覺得應該要去徹底的檢討我這個案我基本上我只是說希望把你這個交通安全維護跟交通秩序規劃預算案凍結5%那你在兩個月內你就各直轄縣市各直轄市跟這個非六都的縣市的警局去盤點那到底這個設置有什麼合理性跟必要性當然就是要會同交通機關
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transcript.whisperx[553].text 譬如說我去辦會堪 會同新竹市交通處 人家交通處就講說我都沒整半天喔那當場新竹市警局是不是臉都綠了這個是對我們基層的遠景也是非常不公平的所以希望就是說去做盤點 然後研議更合理的替代措施 然後提出一個書面報告這樣
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transcript.whisperx[555].text 好啦 署長你既然都這樣講了就是併委員會決議啦 併動但是我基本上還是語重心長啦我覺得交通還是一個這個部長做過地方的首長連兩任得到這麼好的成績大家也都知道因為你交通基本上還是要由這個交通的主管機關來處理啊那這樣對我們警力的使用它有更
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transcript.whisperx[556].text 應該去用的除包安糧等等還有很多需要他去做的地方嗎256案就病委員決議辦理你說剛才是要提書面嗎叫病棟提書面報告病棟提書面報告就這樣通過那我回頭也是時代力量黨團的247剛才是247
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transcript.whisperx[557].text 主決議文字修正
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transcript.whisperx[558].text 主決議 文字修正通過257 改組決議 258 凍結50萬年
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transcript.whisperx[559].text 251改組決議,文字修正258改組決議,文字修正259改組決議,文字修正260改組決議
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transcript.whisperx[560].text 261 並委員會262 改組決議261 不是改組決議
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transcript.whisperx[561].text 院長不好意思我確認一下259有改那個組決議
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transcript.whisperx[562].text 2559改組結議 文字修正因為 署長我還是要提醒一下啦這個我之前有跟你質詢過那個彰化的學生完全都台灣人結果你警員就誤以為說他是什麼逃逸外勞把人家打得半死這個是非常離譜的而且即便是外勞我即便是移工也不能夠做這樣的對待嘛
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transcript.whisperx[563].text 委員會主席
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transcript.whisperx[564].text 是是是有道理啦書長首先自講那個有道理啦教育訓練好來我們就接下來就263測案測案已經測案了測案264測案測案該組決議吧264咧測案齁
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transcript.whisperx[565].text 因為我們這邊沒有資料喔265我們同意同意剪列二十萬好 凍結凍結改組決議吧 是不是26幾啊265265不是改組決議嗎265這邊是寫剪列喔是寫改列 是不是改組決議啦改組決議好 改組決議喔你們要主動講啦 好不好改組決議
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transcript.whisperx[566].text 主席二六六徹案
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transcript.whisperx[567].text 268 測案269 通山科目270 也是病通山嗎病通山
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transcript.whisperx[569].text 275 通山 併通山276 併通山277 改組決議 文字修正 改組決議 文字修正 沒有意見就通過278 組決議 遵照辦理 照案通過
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transcript.whisperx[570].text 279 主決議 文字修正 沒意見就修正通過280 主決議 沒意見就召喚通過281 主決議 沒意見就召喚通過282 主決議 文字修正 隨時修正通過283 主決議 文字修正 沒意見就修正通過
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transcript.whisperx[573].text 接下來就中央警察大學
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transcript.whisperx[574].text 中央警察教學我們就看294齁294改組結議文字修正沒有意見就修正通過齁295有拜訪委員公司同意撤案295組結議已經撤案296
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transcript.whisperx[575].text 副院長跟政委也召開過好幾次會議,那分別由經濟部率同政府共同來執行,在執行當中跟委員報告怎麼樣?
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transcript.whisperx[576].text 296這個狀況 署長因為這個在臺灣 這很心酸因為消防員 我們的這些弟兄來到現場的時候根本不知道危險物品在哪裡或是說是不是有危險物品所以這個案子已經就是法律案執行面然後化學園這個區塊分別政委特別交辦幾個面向正在執行當中那我們的法律案也在
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transcript.whisperx[578].text 這兩個月的時間應該可以把這些盤點清楚
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transcript.whisperx[579].text 那沒有發現更黃潤說要怎麼去處罰當然加重處罰是一個方向但是即便這個修法過了你還是要去做加強的去檢查嘛因為從桃園的例子從這個現在這個屏東的這個例子你就會知道說這個是一個長久以來的問題啊
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transcript.whisperx[580].text 工廠法這次也修正他三個月要做一個提報所以工廠法提報的結果會把這個資料跟我們做勾結就化學那邊做勾結我們一方面檢查以外另外化學那邊也會把最新的工廠法申報的結果三個月申報的結果讓我們知道所以會用交叉的方式來做一個比對市民道立法院
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transcript.whisperx[581].text 改組決議也沒有關係
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transcript.whisperx[582].text 296改為處決議對不對對好 處決議已經改好了吧好 那沒有人先通過 297凍結10萬元 文字修正凍結10萬元那這樣就病毒委員會接一半就好啦好 那文字修正嘛 對不對好 病毒委員會接一半
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transcript.whisperx[583].text 好,298病毒階級辦理,沒意見通過好,298是消防人力的部分啦,齁899改組決議,沒意見通過文字修正好,文字修正,沒意見通過改組決議,是300,300改組決議,沒意見通過好301改組決議,沒意見通過好
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transcript.whisperx[584].text 302 改組結議 303 組結議 304 組結議 召喚通過
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transcript.whisperx[585].text 305 主席改書面報告305 主席 文字修正 讓媒介修正通過306 主席 307 主席 文字修正 文字修正 修正通過308 主席 照案通過
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transcript.whisperx[586].text 309 改組決議 309 運通三項目
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transcript.whisperx[589].text 併通山314改組決議文職修正好文職修正沒有意見修正通過315併通山公務316併通山316對阿這不會沒有是吧阿他沒有沒有統山阿統山阿
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transcript.whisperx[592].text 321改組決議文字修正改組決議文字修正修正通過322併委員會決議文字修正併委員會決議辦理文字修正323併委員會決議文字修正併委員會決議辦理文字修正324
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transcript.whisperx[593].text 改組決議沒有見通過324改組決議沒有見通過325併通山326通山科目
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transcript.whisperx[594].text 兵通山3-7兵通山科目
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transcript.whisperx[595].text 368我們建議這筆照內政部的178案這個是財運系統跟漁管系統的韌性計畫雲端恢復的這個部分建議改凍結100萬書面 余書明報告368
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transcript.whisperx[597].text 建築研究所主席
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transcript.whisperx[601].text 三四零 文字修正改組決議好了改組決議嗎 改一個三四零是文字修正凍結10%能不能不凍 陳委員這個併我們委員會就好了嘛沒有阿 他說就是凍結然後改文字 文字都給他改很多欸
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transcript.whisperx[603].text 改組決議 書面報告提書面報告好不好就不要動了改組決議 文字修正提書面報告這樣這340了341 併委員會決議辦理沒有見之通過342 改組決議沒有見通過
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transcript.whisperx[604].text 三四三四通三三四四是並有的接辦理沒有意見通過三四五改組決議沒有意見通過三四六通三三四七也是通三那就請大家看三四八三四八組決議文書修正沒有意見修正通過三四九組決議沒有意見就照案通過
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transcript.whisperx[605].text 三五零組結議 文字修正 沒意見就修正通過三五一組結議 沒意見就召喚通過三五二組結議 沒意見就召喚通過三五三組結議 文字修正 沒意見就修正通過接下來三五四就改組結議 沒意見就通過
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transcript.whisperx[606].text 一條並委員會就好了啦
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transcript.whisperx[607].text 356改組結議沒有見通過357改組結議沒有見通過358改組結議沒有見通過359並委員會結議辦理沒有見通過360組結議
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transcript.whisperx[608].text 沒有意見通過就照案通過文字修正有文字修正所以就修正通過361主席文字修正有文字修正我們就修正通過362主席照案辦理就照案通過363主席照案辦理那就照案通過
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transcript.whisperx[609].text 364 主決議 文字修正 沒意見就修正通過365 並委員會接一半 理沒意見通過366 並委員會接一半 理沒意見通過367 並委員會接一半 理沒意見通過368 並委員會接一半 理沒意見通過369 改主決議 沒意見通過370 主決議 文字修正 沒意見就修正通過371 主決議
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transcript.whisperx[610].text 市長有人言
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transcript.whisperx[611].text ㄟ ㄟ ㄟ ㄟ ㄟ ㄟ ㄟ ㄟ ㄟ ㄟ ㄟ
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transcript.whisperx[612].text 總共保留27案盡量如果有可能大家再多溝通
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transcript.whisperx[613].text 明天九點半準時開始
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transcript.whisperx[614].text 主席
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transcript.whisperx[615].text 怕我不夠紅我是不想紅