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153497 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153497 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第16次會議 |
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16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第16次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-06-04T15:11:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-04T15:15:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:03:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| 委員名稱 |
柯建銘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:11:50 - 15:15:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第16次會議（事由：一、行政院院長報告施政方針並備質詢(5月31日)。
二、討論事項：本院社會福利及衛生環境委員會報告併案審查行政院函請審議、委員邱議瑩等25人擬具「再生醫療法草案」、委員謝衣鳯等19人擬具「再生醫療發展法草案」、委員羅廷瑋等21人、委員黃秀芳等18人、委員王正旭等20人、台灣民眾黨黨團、委員陳菁徽等19人及委員楊瓊瓔等25人分別擬具「再生醫療法草案」等5案(6月4日)。
三、5月31日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
四、本次會議不處理臨時提案。） |
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柯委員建銘：（15時11分）今天是立法史上最後一天，我們的民主終於守住了，所以剛才我三鞠躬敬禮。5月28日青鳥行動，民意反撲，在民意反撲底下，終於千轉百折，我們得到一個很重要的意義。我一直在講，所有事情到底違憲與否，由行政院覆議、由釋憲來處理，這是實體性的，但程序性是最重要的，沒有程序正義，何來實質正義？所以我一直很堅持我們一定要依職權行使法、依程序正義來處理所有過程。有經過討論，然後表決，表決輸了，我們就認了，民主就是這樣進步的，我們過去表決過幾萬次都沒有成功過，三十年來，但今天我們終於得到校正回歸。在這裡要感謝臺灣所有人民對於民主的追求，在外面吶喊，讓我們得到今天的結論。所以在這裡我非常感謝，當然，第一個要感謝大家、韓院長終於能夠回歸正途，衝突以後，我們未來要如此下去嗎？所以在衝突、妥協、進步後，我們大家應該坐下來談，恢復成一個正常的立法院，這是最重要的。 |
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對於本案有關原住民禁伐補償，假如在合憲、合法底下，即使政府編列再多預算我都舉手贊成，我能夠體會原住民委員對原住民的照顧，他們的敬意都可以體會，每一個都想當好人，但好人和壞人間只是一線之隔。我們在合法、合憲底下編列預算，我百分之百贊成。 |
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我要講的是，沒有一個人可以對抗憲法，每一個人都要向憲法低頭。憲法第七十條寫得很清楚，憲法第五十八條、第五十九條也寫得很清楚，包括憲法第五十二條、第五十三條、第六十三條都寫得很清楚。大法官釋字第391號、釋字第264號、釋字第585號等等都寫得很清楚，就是權力分立原則，尤以大法官釋字第391號最精簡。也就是說，所有預算編列如果超過行政院許可範圍內只能當作參考，假如不是這樣，那麼以後責任政治將無從談起，到底誰在執政？最後就是喪失了民主的正當精神。 |
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今天在這裡非常遺憾，今天我們在這裡要表決。請問各位，憲法可以表決嗎？請大家等一下舉手的時候注意一下！ |
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主席：謝謝柯建銘委員的發言。 |
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接下來請登記第2號高金素梅委員發言。 |
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討論事項
原住民保留地禁伐補償條例修正第六條條文─ 完成三讀─ |
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今天是議法史上最後一天我們的民主終於守住了所以剛才我三級功敬禮5月28號青鳥行動民意反撲在民意反撲底下終於千轉百折我們得到一個很重要的意義我一直在講 |
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所有的事情,到底違憲與否,要行政院呼籲施政來處理,實體性的。但程式性是最重要,沒有程式性正義何來實質正義?所以一直堅持我們一定要依實行政法、依實程式性正義來處理所有過程。有經過討論,然後表決,表決輸了我們就認了。 |
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民主就是這樣進步了我們過於表決幾萬次沒有成功過30年來但今天我們終於得到校正回歸在這裡要感謝臺灣的所有人民對民主的追求在外面吶喊讓我們得到今天的結論所以在這裡我是非常感謝第一個 |
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也要感謝大家終於能夠回歸到正途衝突以後,我們未來要如此下去嗎?所以現在衝突、妥協、進步,我們大家應該坐下來談我們恢復一個正常的立法院,這是最重要的對於本案有關嚴肅銀金款補償,假如在合憲合法底下政府再拼單桌預算,我都舉手贊成 |
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我能夠體會嚴肅委員對嚴肅委員照顧他們的盡力都可以體會的每一個都相當好人但好人和壞人只是一線之隔我們在合法合憲底下拼了一算反正反而贊成我要講說沒有一個人可以向憲法對抗每一個人都要向憲法低頭 |
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憲法70條寫很清楚憲法58條、59條也寫很清楚憲法包括52條、53條都寫很清楚沒有3條大法案4391、4264、4585等等都是寫很清楚就權力分立原則尤其大法案4391最經典也就是說所有運算片類假如超過行政院 |
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許可方法內,只能當作參考而已。也就是說,假如不是這樣的話,以後責任政治無從談起。到底誰在執政?這就是上次的民主正常精神。所以我今天在這裡,非常遺憾,今天我們在這裡要表決。請問各位,現在可以表決嗎?請大家等一下舉手的時候注意一下。 |
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