| IVOD_ID |
153473 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153473 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-03T12:57:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-03T13:04:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/2dd358c888e2c70777bd98de9ddd644459c493b59145da8feffd684e89f8388310635cb2db5e875e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:57:29 - 13:04:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部、國家通訊傳播委員會、法務部、個人資料保護委員會籌備處及中華電信股份有限公司就「國家機器以手機定位、分析個資特性等方式侵犯人民權益」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【6月3日及6日二天一次會】） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（12時57分）主席、各位委員。有請數位發展部部長。 |
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主席：請數發部部長。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：還有國家通訊傳播委員會陳主委。 |
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主席：NCC陳主委。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：法務部常務次長。 |
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主席：法務部黃次長。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：還有中華電信股份有限公司。 |
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主席：中華電信郭董事長。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：各位好。 |
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陳主任委員耀祥：委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：王義川──民進黨政策會的執行長，公然在媒體講得非常清楚，用手機訊號比對青鳥行動、519民眾黨集會、2024大選選前之夜的參與者之年齡、身分、政黨傾向，這是非常非常嚴重的。今天特別要拜託所有的公務員，我是老公務員，看到這樣子，我們就要主動，到底我們的法有沒有足……尤其今天檢察司也在，這個部分我認為應該主動偵辦。剛才張啓楷委員講得非常清楚，所以到底這個怎麼樣能夠……我認為他是真的喔！王義川不是唬爛的喔！他講的是真的。我認為是真的。所以法務部檢察司要積極偵辦，然後透過這樣的一個事實，看看在法律上、在執行上要怎麼樣去檢討、去防範。 |
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我們就先談中華電信，寫得很清楚啊！客群分析包括特定族群、國籍/大陸，你看，都可以知道！剛才中華電信董事長…… |
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郭董事長水義：委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：你剛才一再答復我們的委員說王義川沒有申請。不是他啦！絕對不是他個人去跟你們申請，你們也沒提供給他，你們可能提供到別的地方去，他再透過其他的管道。剛才你一直講相關的科技防疫，你的用詞是下架，還是叫什麼？ |
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郭董事長水義：平台下架。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：平台下架？ |
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郭董事長水義：資料銷毀。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：銷毀了嗎？ |
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郭董事長水義：對，資料銷毀了。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：剛才我有聽你答詢喔！那時沒有講銷毀！資料銷毀了？ |
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郭董事長水義：報告委員，是！資料銷毀了！ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：銷毀之前呢？銷毀之前是不是註記在什麼地方？當初可以copy嗎？還是可以怎麼樣？還是其他公司可以…… |
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這個部分都必須去瞭解，才能夠做防範。再怎麼樣好的法律，如果這些沒有做好的話，也是很困難！所以剛才張啓楷委員講得那麼清楚啊！對不對？請問一下這個要怎麼去處理？NCC嗎？還是數發部？ |
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陳主任委員耀祥：報告委員，基本上因為個人資料我們管的是電信的部分，如果是數據資料分析的話，有些可能是資訊服務業，那麼我們就會跟數發部或其他部會大家共同來處理。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：不管哪一個部會，現在都要通力合作…… |
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陳主任委員耀祥：對，當然！ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個會涉及行政院最近送出來的四個打詐的法案，訂得再怎麼好，這個沒有弄好的話，全部都是空的啦！對不對？ |
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陳主任委員耀祥：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我也常常接到詐騙的電話啊！對方怎麼連我的名字都知道呢？對不對？也許因為我是立法委員，所以他知道，可是一般民眾告訴我：他怎麼知道我的電話，還知道我的名字？一般民眾這樣講啊！也許因為我是政治人物，所以他知道我，但是一般民眾告訴我：他怎麼知道？這顯然就是毫無防範，已經到這種地步了！所以打詐四法訂得再怎麼周延，這個沒有弄好，一切都是徒然啦！現在個資法是你們還是誰主管？ |
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陳主任委員耀祥：現在已經成立個資保護委員會的籌備處了，當然，在它還沒有正式成立以前，還是分散式的，由各個部會就它主管的部分去…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以主管機關目前還是法務部？不是你們嗎？現在是由哪個機關主管？ |
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黃次長謀信：籌備委員會。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：籌備委員會只是籌備耶！ |
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黃次長謀信：現在它是主管機關。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這就是一個問題！籌備處耶！剛才討論那個臨時提案的時候是行政院，說行政院不行，怎麼會呢？當然是行政院啊！籌備處只是籌備而已啊！我這個老公務員一聽就覺得奇怪！所以當然還是你們法務部啦！個資法修了嗎？ |
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黃次長謀信：跟委員報告，這整個業務現在都移到個資保護籌備委員會，已經不在法務部了。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：個資法現在怎麼修的？主管機關是誰？就寫籌備處嗎？不會吧！法律不可能這樣寫的啦！ |
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陳主任委員耀祥：個資法是寫個人資料保護委員會，個人資料保護委員會成立以後，原來分散在各個機關的所有職權就給這個…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：原來是立法院也有責任，是修法的漏洞啦！好，不管怎麼樣，本席要談的原本有很多，但是因為時間關係，我要拜託，政務官隨時會離開，所以我要拜託我們所有的公務員，這是非常、非常嚴重的問題，非常、非常嚴重的課題！以上，謝謝。 |
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陳主任委員耀祥：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭天財委員的發言。下一位請賴士葆委員。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請數位發展部、國家通訊傳播委員會、法務部、個人資料保護委員會籌備處及中華電信股份有
限公司就「國家機器以手機定位、分析個資特性等方式侵犯人民權益」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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主席、各位委員有請數位發展部部長國家通訊傳播委員會陳竺偉防務部常務次長還有中華電信股份有限公司中華電信郭董事長各位好這個王逸川 |
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民進黨的政策會的執行長公然在媒體講得非常的清楚用手機訊號比對青鳥行動519民眾黨的集會參與者2024大選選前之夜參與者年齡、身份、政黨傾向這是一個非常非常嚴重的 |
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今天要特別要拜託我們所有的公務員我是老公務員看到這樣的一個我們就要主動到底我們的法有沒有足那尤其是今天這個檢察事務司檢察司也在所以這個部分我認為應該主動要去偵辦 |
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剛才張旭凱委員講得非常清楚所以這個到底這個怎麼樣能夠我認為他是真的王玉川不是胡亂的他講的是真的我認為是真的所以法務部、檢察司積極的要偵辦 |
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然後怎麼樣透過這樣的一個事實在法律上在執行上要怎麼樣去檢討去防範我們就先談這個中華電信寫得很清楚啊客群分析特定族群你是國籍大陸你看都可以知道 |
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剛才中華電信我們的董事長董事長 委員好你剛才一再的答覆我們的委員說王一川沒有申請 沒有沒有不是他啊 絕對不是他個人去跟你們申請啊你們也沒有提供給他 你們可能提供到別的地方去他透過其他的管道剛才你一直講說那個我們的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
193.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
206.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
相關這些科技防疫的這些你說你的用詞是什麼下架還是叫什麼平台下架平台下架資料銷毀銷毀了嗎對資料銷毀剛才因為我有聽你的答詢那時候沒有講銷毀資料銷毀了資料銷毀報告委員是銷毀之前呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
216.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
242.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
消委之前是不是數據在當初可以copy嗎?還是可以怎麼樣?還是其他的公司可以?所以這個部分都必須要去瞭解才能夠去做防範所以在怎麼樣好的法律如果這些沒有做好的話也是很困難所以剛才張熙凱委員講的那個很清楚對不對? |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
244.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
249.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
請問一下這個要怎麼去處理?NCC嗎?還是蘇華部?這個不管哪一個部會,現在是要通力合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
271.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
285.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
這個會涉及到什麼﹖你打﹖你﹖徐貞燕最近送出來的四個打詐的﹖你在訂的怎麼好﹖這個沒有弄好﹖全部都空的了﹖對不對﹖人民常常﹖我也常常聽到接到電話﹖詐騙的電話﹖他怎麼連我的名字都知道呢﹖ |
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298.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
327.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
對不對也許我是立法院知道一般一般民眾也告訴我他怎麼知道我的電話也知道我的名字一般民眾這樣講啊也許他知道我是我是政治人物啊但是一般民眾告訴我他怎麼知道這個顯然就是毫無防範已經到這種地步啊所以你在打詐釋法釋法嗎你在定了在怎麼遮掩這個沒有弄好 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
330.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
356.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
一切都是突然的所以這個部分呢這個作為一個現在個資法現在是還是誰現在我們現在已經有成立那個個資保護委員會的籌備處嘛當然還沒有成立以前我們現在還是分散式的各個部會所以這個主管機關目前還是法務部嗎不是你們現在是誰籌備委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
361.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
363.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
當然還是你法務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
388.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
398.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
法修了嗎?各自法修了嗎?這整個業務現在都移到各自籌備委員會了。各自法現在怎麼修的?主管機關?對。寫籌備處嗎?不會吧? |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
404.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
405.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
不管怎樣因為時間的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
425.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
425.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
謝謝委員 謝謝 |