| IVOD_ID |
15347 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15347 |
| 日期 |
2023-12-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-10-8-15-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第10屆第8會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
10 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
8 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第10屆第8會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2023-12-11T09:30:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2023-12-11T15:44:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
06:14:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ea12c81503aa54e7224bbec9c895510aaa46d53a332764a535aa2f99442aa469485ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2023-12-11T10:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第10屆第8會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員、內政部部長、警政署署長、消防署署長、海巡署署長、原住民族委員會主任委員、國防部、法務部就「第16任總統副總統及第11屆立法委員選舉選務工作辦理情形、執勤軍警消海巡人員投票權益、文化健康站等工作人員於選舉期間之行政中立」進行專題報告，並備質詢；另邀請司法院列席備詢。二、原住民身分法：(一)審查行政院函請審議「原住民身分法修正草案」案。(二)繼續審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等16人擬具「原住民身分法第五條、第七條及第九條條文修正草案」案。(三)繼續審查委員劉櫂豪等18人擬具「原住民身分法第九條條文修正草案」案。(四)繼續審查委員郭國文等16人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(五)繼續審查委員張宏陸等20人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(六)繼續審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等18人擬具「原住民身分法第四條及第八條之一條文修正草案」案。(七)審查委員蔡適應等25人擬具「原住民身分法第四條、第七條及第八條條文修正草案」案。(八)審查委員陳明文等16人擬具「原住民身分法第九條條文修正草案」案。三、原住民族工作權保障法：(一)審查行政院函請審議「原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案」案。(二)審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等17人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案」案。(三)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等18人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法修正草案」案。(四)審查委員陳瑩等16人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法第十一條條文修正草案」案。(五)審查委員陳瑩等17人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法第四條條文修正草案」案。(六)審查委員廖國棟等25人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案」案。(七)審查委員孔文吉等22人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案」案。四、姓名條例：(一)繼續審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等16人擬具「姓名條例部分條文修正草案」案。(二)繼續審查委員伍麗華SaidhaiTahovecahe等20人擬具「姓名條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。(三)繼續審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具「姓名條例第九條條文修正草案」案。(四)繼續審查委員廖國棟等16人擬具「姓名條例部分條文修正草案」案。【12月11日、14日兩天一次會】） |
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立法院第10屆第8會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議一事錄,時間112年12月7日星期四上午9時至下午2時17分,地點紅樓202會議室,出席委員游玉蘭委員等13人,列席委員高金素美委員等3人,列席官員、內政部部長林佑昌、海洋委員會政務副主任委員周梅烏等, |
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主席羅昭及委員美玲討論事項因《中華民國專屬經濟海域及大陸交層法》審查委員莊岳雄等17人及委員蔡奕宇等16人分別理據《中華民國專屬經濟海域及大陸交層法》第18條條文修正草案案 |
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二槍炮彈藥盜竊管制條例部分條文修正草案審查行政院行刑審議槍炮彈藥盜竊管制條例部分條文修正草案繼續審查委員鄭天才等21人你具槍炮彈藥盜竊管制條例第5條之2條文修正草案繼續審查時代力量黨團你具槍炮彈藥盜竊管制條例第20條之1條文修正草案繼續審查委員張其祿等18人你具槍炮彈藥盜竊管制條例第5條之1及第20條之1條文修正草案 |
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審查委員羅美玲等16人擬具槍炮彈藥盜竊管制條例第4條條文修正草案審查委員王美惠等22人委員游玉蘭等16人及委員陳亭飛等16人分別擬具槍炮彈藥盜竊管制條例部分條文修正草案討論事項和並詢答委員游玉蘭、莊瑞雄說明提案要旨 |
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1920.289 |
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1936.4 |
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內政部部長林佑昌海洋委員會政務副主任委員周梅武報告委員由玉蘭等13人質詢由內政部部長林佑昌海洋委員會政務副主任委員周梅武及相關人員答覆說明登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢 |
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1937.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
1951.745 |
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尋答結束委員林文瑞所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報書面質詢及未及答覆部分請相關機關於一周內立以書面答覆並複製本會決議一中華民國專屬經濟海域及大陸交層法等二案 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
1953.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
1975.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
一、第18條趙委員、莊瑞雄等17人提案通過二、審查通過文資及相關法之用與授權主席及議事人員整理三、B案審查完畢你據審查報告提報院會討論不需交由黨團協商並推請羅召集委員美琳於院會討論時做補充說明二、槍炮彈藥、刀械管制條例部分條文修正草案等11案一、第4條增訂 |
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1977.154 |
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1995.841 |
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第4條、增定第5條之3、第13條、增定第13條之1、第18條、第20條之1、增定第20條之3、第25條軍造行政院提案通過二、委員張其祿等18人提案第5條之1、委員陳柏惟、許志傑等18人提案修正第5條之2維持現行法條文不予修正 |
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1997.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
2010.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
3、第5條之2除第1項第6款文字修正為持有人受判處有其徒刑以上之刑確定且未經宣告緩刑或經宣告緩刑被撤銷及第3項目標文字修正為但無行為能力忍者不得申請繼續持有 |
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2011.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
2026.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
未成年人之繼承及使用最相關規定另由中央原住民族主管機關定之其餘均照行政院提案通過修正行政院提案立法說明第二點二及補充行政院提案立法說明第五點如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
2027.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
2052.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
二、考量緩刑制度細微促使惡性輕微之被告或偶發犯出犯改過自刑而設為鼓勵自刑員修正第一項第六款將與規定持有人受判處有其徒刑以上之刑確定者除有第六項情形外皆因撤銷或廢止其許可修正為持有人受判處有其徒刑以上之刑確定且未經宣告緩刑或經宣告緩刑被撤銷時不予撤銷或廢止其許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
2052.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2067.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
五、為配合原住民之傳統文化與盜竊持有人死亡、團結解散、重新申請許可持有者或自製獵槍持有人死亡時第三項修正準與其未成年人即用其相關規定授權管理是以利用中央目的事業主管機關訂定之 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
2069.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2087.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
4、委員陳明文等18人、委員陳柏惟、許智傑等18人提案修正第6條之一維持現行法條文不予修正5、委員陳明文等18人、委員蔡易宇等19人提案修正第7條維持現行法條文不予修正6、委員陳明文等18人提案修正第8條及第12條均維持現行法條文不予修正 |
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2088.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2111.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
其增訂第9條之一除第二項目段增列但原住民族基於傳統文化即以非營利自用獵捕野生動物者不在此縣等文字其餘均照行政院提案通過8補充行政院提案第13條之一立法說明第4點如下是基於對原住民族傳統文化之尊重原住民使用自製獵槍自製之彈丸與原住民之民族基於傳統文化範圍內阻缺違法 |
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2112.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2139.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
9、增訂第20條之二第一項及第二項劇中有關法環上限部分增列原等文字其餘均照行政院提案通過補充立法說明第4點如下4、經以對原住民族傳統文化之尊重原住民字之列腔實使用之主要組成凝結不適用本條規定10、委員蔡毅與等19人提案修正第22條維持現行法條文不予修正11、審查通過這條文條次引述條文之文字及相關法制用語授權主席及議事人員整理 |
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2140.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2161.653 |
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審查完據擬據審查報告提報院會討論不需交由黨團協商並推起羅昭及委員美領與院會討論時作補充說明三、審查中華民國涉及活動及涉及器材權益促進會未建議修正槍炮彈藥刀械管制條例部分條文請院文書一案決議本案不成為一案依立法院職權行使法第67條第二項規定送由程序委員會報請院會審查並通知請院人宣讀完畢 |
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2170.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2172.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
繼續進行報告事項和討論事項請宣讀報告事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2180.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2181.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
選舉期間之行政中立,進行專題報告並被質詢,並邀請司法院列席備詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2207.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2233.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
討論事項一、原住民身份法審查行政院海巡審議原住民身份法修正草案案繼續審查委員鄭天才等16人擬具原住民身份法第5條、第7條及第9條條文修正草案案繼續審查委員劉兆豪等18人擬具原住民身份法第9條條文修正草案案繼續審查委員郭國文等16人委員張宏祿等20人分別擬具原住民身份法第2條條文修正草案案 |
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2234.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2254.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
繼續審查委員鄭天才等18任擬居原住民身份法第4條及第8條之一條文修正草案案審查委員蔡適應等25任擬居原住民身份法第4條、第7條及第8條條文修正草案案審查委員陳明文等16任擬居原住民身份法第9條條文修正草案案二、原住民工作權保障法 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2256.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2275.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
審查行政院海巡審議原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案審查委員鄭天才等17人、委員武麗華等18人分別擬據原住民族工作權保障法修正草案審查委員陳穎等16人擬據原住民族工作權保障法第11條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2275.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2288.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
審查委員陳寅等17人凝聚原住民族工作權保障法第4條條文修正草案案審查委員廖國棟等25人、委員孔文吉等22人分別凝聚原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案案 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2291.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2311.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
繼續審查委員鄭天才等16任擬具姓名條例部分條文修正草案案繼續審查委員吳立華等20任擬具姓名條例第二條及第4條條文修正草案案繼續審查委員羅美玲等18任擬具姓名條例第9條條文修正草案案繼續審查委員廖國棟等16任擬具姓名條例部分條文修正草案案宣讀完畢首先介紹在場委員及列席官員賴平瑜委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2322.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2342.579 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
內政部林宥昌部長、戶政司陳子和代理司長、民政司檢譽軍檢任視察、合作及人民團體司陳俊廷專門委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2344.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2373.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
人事處林靜雯副處長、警政署黃明昭署長、刑事局周佑偉局長、偵查科礦沁泰科長、保安組李全澤組長、人事室許淑珍組長、消防署肖煥章署長、人事室詹東坡主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2375.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2400.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
綜合企劃組城市巡警監視察海巡署許靜芝副署長、人事室翁群遠專門委員、情報組朱全成專門委員、巡防組曾建仁科長、人民會一將巴魯爾主任委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2403.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2429.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
中核規劃署﹑亞博蘇勇署長社會福利署﹑羅赫祿署長人事是陳榮宏主任國防部作戰及計劃參謀次長是聯合作戰計劃署李昌副副處長 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2434.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2458.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
人事參謀次長是人事勤務處方中泰副處長法務部常次黃謀信檢察司李仲仁主任檢察官司法院民事廳劉素如法官 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2461.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2479.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
行政訴訟及懲戒聽郭任生法官文化部人文及出版司專門委員廖黎尼外交部條約法律司黃元良專門委員領務局莊淑涵科長 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2486.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2513.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
行政院人事總處培考處呂士一副處長、行政院公眾工程委員會企劃處胡培中副處長、補充介紹王美惠委員、陳毓珍委員請問各位同仁上次會議議事錄有無錯誤?沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2518.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2545.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
議事錄確定現在請提案委員說明提案要旨請鄭天才委員提案說明鄭天才鄭天才不在請武力華委員提案說明武力華武力華不在請陳英委員提案說明陳英委員不在請廖國棟委員提案說明廖委員不在請孔文吉委員提案說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2549.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2570.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
懇委員不在請陳明文委員提案說明陳委員不在請蔡世應委員提案說明現在請內政部林宥昌部長就專題報告法案一併報告請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2583.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2594.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
第16任總統副總統及第11屆立法委員選舉選務工作辦理情形、執勤軍警消海巡人員投票權益、文化健康站等工作人員於 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2601.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2626.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
第一有關於選務維安的工作首先我們撤頒了選舉治安維護計畫並依次來執行該計畫督請各機關單位致重點在強化選務安全的維護包含後續號次的抽籤、證件發表會、選票的一個印製運送、保管以及投開票所等等以確保選舉順利的進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2628.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2657.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
第二,警政機關密切聯繫選監監察機關本部警政署督同各警察機關確實與選監委員還有警察機關密切聯繫並對候選人號誌抽籤、公辦電視證件發表會等選務工作的落實來維護安全另外在投開票當日協調選務監察人員及監察機關迅速配合狀況來處置任何的一個執法作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2659.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2684.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
第13在選票印製運送保管還有安危部分有關這部分的維護工作已由各警察機關協調選務機關掌握相關的一個進程並指派專責警力提高警覺執勤同時配合選務人員全程管制進出人員以及物品的檢查做好全程蒐證程序、渡房選票外流 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2685.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2711.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
第4有關投開票所的安危部署本次的投開票所計有17795所已由各直轄市、縣市政府、警察局、會同各地方選舉委員會進行期前的會刊必按治安的顧慮程度來區分等級以及部署警衛人力並且也協情、名利還有事故處理編組等權利投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2712.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2737.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
同時也會嚴密執行投開票所外30公尺管制區投票秩序以及安全維護第二有關於保障投票權益的部分第一在法令的依據方面公職人員選舉罷免法第17條第一項規定選舉人除另有規定之外應於戶籍地投票所來投票 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2739.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2766.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
同條的第二項也規定投票所的工作人員得在戶籍地或工作地之投票所投票但在工作地之投票所投票者以戶籍地及工作地在同一選舉區並在同一直轄市縣市為縣總統、副總統選舉頒免法第13條第一項及第三項亦有相同的規範對於執勤人員亦有相關規定來保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2768.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2791.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
有關於辦理員警工作地的投票部分本部的警政署持續地要求各警察機關規劃投開票日選舉資安維護的勤務必須兼顧員警投票權益的保障並請各警察機關在期前就要協調選務機關來辦理工作地投票的事宜 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2793.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2821.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
我們採取員警機動支援輪替投票的一個方式我們執勤員警如果沒有辦法辦理工作地投票者本部警政署要求各警察機關應全體動員執勤並且以內勤來支援外勤、機動編組、代班等等的一個方式使執勤員警得以分替輪替來執行勤務以及投票以兼顧選舉治安還有投票的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2822.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2837.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
第4有關於消防人員投票權益部分,依據地方制度法的規定,質押市、縣市災害防救等公安安全事項及組織及人員、任免等人事及勤務管理,這是屬於地方政府的權責 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2839.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2859.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
為了便利選舉區內各級機關、學校團體、事業機構、員工前往投票中央選舉委員會巡禮在選舉之前都會函發各縣市政府等機關將投票日以放假來處理由各縣市政府函所屬消防機關單位來配合辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2861.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2884.656 |
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第13有關於選舉期間行政中立的部分本部持續要求所屬同仁保持行政中立本部警政署以定班計劃明定並函請各機關單位嚴禁所屬員警參與任何助選或其他與職務無關之行為其物之中不得談論表達個人政治立場並禁止穿戴 |
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或標示特定候選人之徽章或服飾避免衍生爭議其次本部消防署亦涵發各直轄市縣市政府消防局重申公務人員行政中立法的規定並約束所屬消防人員遵守相關規定第二貫徹公平一致 |
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也就是我們貫徹行政中立依法行政的原則各候選人申請案件之核定相關勤務規劃、處理事故及查查各類妨害選舉的案件均秉持公平一致性的原則不應特定黨派或因素而有所差異以上就這個選務的部分以及維安的工作跟委員會來做報告 |
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2953.214 |
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其次跟大會來報告有關於原住民身份法修正草案、原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案及新民條例部分條文修正草案共19案在這邊說明本部意見敬請各位委員參考 |
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首先是原住民身份法修正草案部分委員郭國文等16人及委員張宏祿等20人提案修正原住民身份法第二條增訂平埔原住民一節按憲法法庭111年10月28日憲判自第17號判決 |
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3002.899 |
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原住民身份法第二條所稱原住民僅指三地原住民及平地原住民未及其他台灣原住民族自其身份未受國家法律之保障相關機關應於判決宣判日起三年內修正原住民身份法或另訂特別法本部尊重委員的提案 |
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3028.369 |
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第2委員鄭天才等16人提案修正原住民身份法第5條有關未成年養子女得由本身父母或養父母申請取得原住民身份一節按民法第1077條的規定養子女與本身父母之權利義務已停止 |
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提案與民法上的上開規定是有範格又倘養父母與本身父母就養子女取得原住民身份發生意見衝突如何登記恐生爭議 |
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3045.92 |
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3070.206 |
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緣在情與斟酌有關養殖女得以利害關係人申請本身父母戶籍資料一截如符合戶籍法授權定班之申請戶籍藤盆及閱覽戶籍登記資料處理原則第二條第六款之規定養殖女與本身父母有其他確有法律上權利義務得上變更之關係 |
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3087.907 |
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為利害關係人養子女自得申請本身父母之戶籍資料為提案養子女得申請本身父母之戶籍資料因涉及本身父母之個資提供將影響取權益原件請在與斟酌 |
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3115.809 |
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第3委員鄭天才等16人及委員蔡思應等25人提案修正《原住民身份法》第4條、第7條、第8條及增訂第8條之一有關從未具原住民身份之父或母之姓者可並列登記傳統名字之羅馬拼音養子女從具原住民身份之本生父母或養父母之姓 |
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3132.357 |
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以及原住民之子女無需從具原住民身份之父或母之姓或取用傳統姓名可取得原住民身份一截因涉及當事人取得原住民身份之要件本部尊重委員討論的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
3134.858 |
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3161.967 |
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第二有關原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案首先有關原住民族工作權保障法第4條第5條禁用原住民族員額比例的規定將由現行約僱等五類人員每滿100人應禁用一人原住民族地區三分之一之規定修正為員工總人數之百分之一 |
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3162.927 |
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3169.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
原住民族地區3%令孔恩吉委員等22人提案修正為員工總人數之3% |
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3172.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
3202.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
原住民族地區30%以及廖國棟委員等25人、武帝華委員等18人與鄭天才委員等17人提案調整禁用比例部分本部及所屬機關恐將不足而禁用為為兼顧原住民工作權之保障同時契合機關彈性用能需求及務實運作之情形本部建議採行行政院版本並將盡力達成所定的比例 |
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3220.061 |
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二、又考量本部所屬機關如警察、消防、移民及空勤等業務之特殊性其人員之金融多系以特考來取材如警察及移民特考且為各該機關之能力大中 |
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3221.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3248.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
為事類報考或錄取人員之身份實非本部得以管控責定如將其列入禁用原住民人數之員工總人數計算的話實務上卻有自案難行之處原建議參照身心障礙者權益保障法第38條第7項及同法實施細則第13條之規定令定排除適用之規定 |
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3250.322 |
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3270.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
另一各機關學校團體駐位警察設置管理辦法的規定駐位警察是由各機關學校團體領選適當人員送請直轄市警察局或縣市警察局審查合格後自費來雇用之並比照駐在單位內部人員相關規定辦理 |
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3272.919 |
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3301.55 |
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監察各單位禁用住位警察之情形目前全國住位警察人數為3,233人其中據原住民身份者有66人禁用原住民的比例為2.04%至於住位警察臨用制度按上開設置管理辦法一致製程體系需由各住在單位依全責自行臨用並負擔各項費用本部列來均予以尊重 |
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3302.998 |
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3326.733 |
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第三有關於姓名條例部分條文的修正草案委員鄭天才等16人及委員廖國棟等16人修正姓名條例第一條、第四條、第八條有關原住民用語修正為原住民族一節為此體力一致本部競表同意有關傳統姓名修正為傳統 |
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3356.237 |
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名字一節按姓名條例第3條規定姓名包含括姓氏及名字原住民如無姓氏可僅登記名字為修正為傳統名字將影響其他少數民族之姓名登記嚴建議維持現行規定有關原住民姓名登記依其文化慣俗 |
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3377.884 |
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修正為依其傳統民智,並由中央原住民主管機關會商有關機關定之一節,按行政院函請審議之原住民身份法修正草案,以將傳統民智納入規範,坦經修法通過,即可配合登記 |
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3406.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
二、委員鄭天才等16人、委員伍立華等20人及委員廖國棟等16人提案修正姓名條例第二條有關原住民姓名單列原住民族文字登記一節依行政院前逾111年2月11日召開跨部會會議之結論對於原住民姓名單列原住民族文字原則予以尊重 |
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3424.806 |
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並請原住民族委員會調查原住民族群之意見及研擬政策宣導溝通方案本部將配合政策辦理第三委員羅美玲等18人提案修正新民條例第9條陣列原住民一 |
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3426.602 |
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3452.957 |
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親隨子民誌之文化慣俗改名者無次數限制一節,據尊重及保障原住民傳統文化慣俗本部竟表同意。」以上謝謝林部長現在補充介紹中央選舉委員會主任委員李靖勇主任秘書謝美玲 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
3455.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3461.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
綜合規劃處張戴啟署長、選務處蔡京告署長、法政處唐孝鈞專門委員接下來請中選會李敬勇主委請簡單報告謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
3480.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3495.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
主席、各位委員、女士、先生首先感謝主席以及各位委員會配合本會今天早上10點鐘舉行總統副總統候選人姓名號是抽籤而調整開會的時間表示感謝之意 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3513.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
那今天貴委員會的主題是第16任總統副總統及第11屆立法委員選舉選務工作辦理的情形還有另外執勤軍警消海巡人員投票的權益、文化健康站等工作人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
3514.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
3537.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
在選舉期間之行政中立等等的問題來進行專題報告本會請就選務籌備的情形來跟各位做簡單的說明除了在11月15日第10次的全體委員會議所做的報告之外持續進行的各項選務的工作也簡要的說明如下第一是受理候選人登記的申請 |
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3539.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3553.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
總統副總統候選人升級的登記申請是在11月20日到24日來辦理完成包括全國不分區、僑居、國外國民的立法委員選舉區域及平地原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
3554.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3569.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
三地原住民立法院選舉候選人登記的申請其中在總統、副總統選舉的部分既有民主進步黨推薦的賴清德、蕭美琴臺灣民眾黨推薦的柯文哲、吳欣盈還有中國國民黨推薦的侯友宜 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
3570.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
3584.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
趙少康等三組來完成登記立法委員區域的部分一共有315人完成登記平地原住民跟山地原住民各有10人來完成登記全國不分區及僑居國外國民立法委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
3585.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
3594.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
有16個政黨一共178名的候選人完成登記在候選人資格審查的部分我們112年12月5日舉行第596次的委員會議審議通過三組六個人總統副總統選舉候選人的資格都符合規定 |
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3610.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3619.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
我們預計在112年12月15日會召開委員會議來審定公告那候選人姓名 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
3620.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3640.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
及政黨號次的這個抽籤有關於總統副總統的部分今年早上10點已經完成抽籤了抽籤的結果抽的第1號的是民眾黨的柯文哲先生跟吳欣盈女士抽的第2號的是民主進步黨的賴清德先生跟蕭美琴女士中國國民黨 |
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3643.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
3666.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
這個侯友宜先生跟趙少康先生是抽的第三號在立法委員選舉的部分我們在112年12月20日要來辦理原住民及立法委員原住民立法委員選舉候選人姓名號誌抽籤及不分區的僑居國外的國民立法委員選舉政黨號誌抽籤這會由本會來辦理 |
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3668.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
3679.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
第4次發布候選人名單的公告本會定於112年12月15日發布第16任總統副總統候選人的名單公告另外在113年的1月2日會發布11屆立法委員選舉候選人的名單公告 |
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3685.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3691.555 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
監察競選的活動的部分本會在112年10月13日到27日已經分區舉辦了5場次的選舉監察實務的講習會邀集各直轄市縣市選舉委員會監察小組的召集人、委員、副總幹事、組長以及業務承辦人員參與 |
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3705.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3718.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
研習的重點最主要是要讓他們了解到112年6月9日修正公布的總統副總統選舉辦明法以及公職人員選舉辦明法的修正重點落實執行監察的工作以發揮選舉監察之效 |
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| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
3723.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
繼續辦理總統副總統選舉候選人電視政見發表會本會從112年12月20日起到12月28日子一共要舉辦4場的總統副總統候選人電視政見發表會 |
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3736.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3762.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
其中總統的候選人是三場副總統的候選人是一場每場次以每一個候選人發表證件的時間是30分鐘分為三輪來發表證件每一輪時間是10分鐘本次總統副總統候選人電視證件發表會我們也會同步在網路直播影音檔案也會放在本會的網站供民眾來收看 |
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3763.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3772.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
其次辦理立法委員選舉政見發表會的部分本會在113年1月5日舉辦原住民立法委員選舉候選人電視政見發表會113年1月8日要舉辦全國不分區及僑區國外國民立法委員選舉政黨 |
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3783.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3806.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
電視政見發表會﹚至於區域的立法委員選舉候選人政見發表會則是由各直轄市縣市選舉委員會在113年1月3日到1月12日之間來辦理有關於選務的這個宣導的部分為使民眾能夠了解這一次選舉投票相關的訊息擴大民眾政治參與宣傳包括重點包括 |
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3807.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
3816.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
投票日期、時間、投票時應該注意的事項、國民年滿20歲、有選舉前罷免選罷法修正的重點等等訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
3817.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3839.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
並且要提醒國人正確的選舉投票資訊應前往本會網站來查詢以及在通訊軟體中加入訊息查證管道的工具在宣導素材及通路方面透過多元媒體包括電視、廣播、網路、報紙等管道加強選務宣導並強化社群媒體的宣導 |
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3843.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
3865.687 |
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擴大宣導效益此外為加強對新住民的宣導將電視宣導影片字幕翻譯為新住民規劃為國人之六大原屬國的母語又為了加強原住民的宣導我們將宣導海報翻譯為原住民的族語並且提供媒體口播的口播稿 |
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3892.05 |
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給原住民族電視台以及廣播電台擴大宣導的效果在籌辦電腦計票作業的部分電腦計票程序投開票所在開票結束後由主任管理員填寫投開票的報告表合張無誤之後派專人送鄉鎮市區的選務作業中心由選務作業中心人員將投開票的報告表 |
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3907.287 |
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輸入記憶票的系統迅速完成會計本會原定資訊安全防護計畫各項網路安全以及系統備援措施都是以最高規格的防護本會預定在112年12月 |
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3925.541 |
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舉辦55場的教育訓練在112年12月29日、113年1月4日跟1月12日我們一共要辦理三次的電腦計票作為全國的模擬演練提高投開票資訊正確性及時效並且模擬異常狀況進行演練以立即時的應變最後報告結語 |
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總統副總統選舉及立法委員選舉都是眾所矚目的全國性選舉本會將秉持公正、公平、公開的原則並恪守行政重力的規範確實督導直轄市縣市選舉委員會妥順辦理各項選務準備的工作並順利完成投開票的作業以上報告敬請各位委員指教謝謝 |
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主席、各位委員 |
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內政委員會緊就第16任總統副總統及第11屆立法委員選舉有關於文化健康站工作人員在選舉期間的行政中立以及行政院跟大院委員所提的原住民身份法修正草案 |
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原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案還有就是大宴委員所提的信民條例部分條文修正草案簡要說明如下 |
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關於原民會補助設置的各縣市的503個文化健康站我們是以健康照顧和文化傳承為目標來照顧全國的原住民原鄉跟都會地區的長者 |
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那麼為了確保行政中立嚴明慧已經透過先導跟韓文各縣市政府以及文化健康站來遵守相關的法令的規範並堅守行政中立的原則 |
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有關原住民族身份法修正草案我們是據司法院憲法法庭111年度憲判第4號的判決一直所示原住民身份的取得除了血緣關係之外應該還是要具備客觀的認同表徵因此針對原住民跟原住民 |
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原住民與非原住民所生子女以及收養關係純系的養子女我們都採取相同的身份認定標準同時也增加自願放棄原住民身份的補救機制來具體保障個人取得身份的認同權跟平等權 |
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關於新民條例修正草案鄭天才委員、吳立華委員、羅梅林委員、廖國東委員等所提的修正草案本會見表尊重關於廖國東委員所提的第二條修正條文建議來參佐原住民族語言發展法的規定調整為台灣原住民族傳統名字以原住民族文字登記者不再此限 |
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至於有關原住民族工作權保障法的部分為了落實蔡英文總統有關原住民的政策主張以及回應司法院釋字第810號解釋的意旨來修正公佈門用原住民族擴大植物類型來提高禁用比例如果 |
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這個院版的修正草案可以獲得答應的支持的話,一估可以增加原住民13796個工作機會,而且有助提供穩定的就業機會跟提高工作收入 |
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那另外關於得標廠商因繳納代金金額超過政府採購法標金金額的這個部分的比例我們會另訂這個減輕機制來解決實務上的這個爭議最後 |
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大院委員所提的各項修正條文涉及到原住民族身份認定要件以及實務的運作原住民族就業遣役原民會已經審慎審酌為了落實憲法保障原住民的身份認同、錢跟工作的遣役等福祉我們建議請 |
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各位委員可以支持行政院提案的版本以上報告進行委員指教來謝謝其他各部會的報告都請自行參閱並刊登公報現在進行詢答委員質詢前原理做幾點宣告本會委員與 |
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原民委員發言時間6分鐘、必要時得延長2分鐘、非本會委員發言時間5分鐘、上午10點30分、截止發言登記因為今天法案處理本次會議就不處理臨時提案請問各位委員有沒有意見沒有現在請登記第一位賴品瑜委員發言 |
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謝謝主席麻煩主席有請內政部林部長林部長請部長好選戰目前到1月13號大概剩下30幾天那大家都在做最後的衝刺同時間我想這個我們相關的部會特別是內政部這邊應該要上緊發條為選舉該做的準備也不少啦第一個就是我想問部長 |
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因為其實這陣子不只是這幾天這陣子都會陸續看到這個各地的警方偵辦選舉賭盤的新聞那從北從基樓新北到屏東其實都有這個偵破主頭的消息那在這邊我要先稱讚這個警政署 |
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有這個去偵查有這個成果啦但我想很多這個選舉的手法都是環環相扣的比如說地下賭盤很多人可能會拿這個地下賭盤來閒聊當作類似一種民調來參考 |
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所以就有一種可能說也許會發生這種狀況是故意呢去用這個開讓幾萬票來暗示縮小差距或是說擴大差距來誤導民眾這也是一個非常需要注意的趨勢那另外回到選舉啦 |
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我想這個各界還是高度關注中國議題有沒有中國的黑手伸進來介入台灣的選舉我想這個答案是肯定的只是說到底是介入的多深介入的樣態到底是什麼樣子那事實上先前我們也可以看到這個在APEC的會議中拜登也這個罕見的向習近平明確的去表達不希望中國干涉台灣的選舉連美國這個都有在掌握台灣的動向了那台灣自己呢 |
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我可以說其實我們有看到就是說有新聞最近還蠻多新聞都有提到說包含台北還有本席所在的新北還有中部的彰化其實都有出現這個里長到中國旅遊統戰團的現象那如果今天你說是單純的旅遊就算了但為什麼都是里長為什麼可以用這個比行情低廉非常多極度低廉的費用甚至是只要出機票錢去玩 |
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這些都是必須要延伸去了解的問題點我想請問部長內政部這邊對於這個情形掌握到什麼樣的程度了 |
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非常謝謝我想有關於這個賭盤的部分這個向來不是新鮮事每一次選舉到的時候就特定或者是有意圖的人士意圖用這個賭盤來影響大選我們在這一次的一個 |
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整個的一個二制賭盤的部分我們特別是以六合彩的一個主頭來作為我們相關的一個重點的一個對象因為歷來都是由這個六合彩的主頭經營還有這個通訊的一個網路下注的比例是最高的所以我們本署警政署已經要求各警察機關結合青圓3.0的工作計畫 |
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來進行相關通報的部件,主動發掘在轄內的簽署站有沒有相關情形所以也再次強調呼籲不要以身來釋法我們目前9月20日到9月26日我們已經執行第一波的全國同步掃蕩賭博的專案 |
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現在此時此刻我們正在進行的是第二波的一個專案掃蕩那在前次第一波的專案掃蕩的部分期間呢我們掌握具體的一個請職有149件那並且已經移送了77件98人 |
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那其實中國借選也從來不是新聞只不過它借選的一個方式變得越來越隱晦而且越多樣那過去這個用賭盤來借選或者是說中國的一個資金來借選那這個本來就是我們加強的一個重點那第二剛剛委員特別提到有這個很多的所謂的村里長 |
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被中國招待去進行相關的一個旅遊相關的一個情資我們目前掌握收報的這樣的一個情資大概有51件或者是51團556人目前已經有查獲的一個案件正在偵辦當中 |
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那當然現在因為這個竊選的方式很多那它不一定是直接竊選它也許用假訊息或者是錯假訊息來擾亂或者是干擾大選那造成民眾對政府的一個誤解或者是負面的一個情緒我想這個都是現在我們特別注意的狀況是 因為其實這兩個問題雖然這個內容不一樣但本質上都是在詢問您這個影響竊選的狀況 |
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因為我想落地接待這件事情就像你講的這不是新鮮事不是第一次聽到那甚至說不要說里長啦過去就有很多這個學生大學生在寒暑假被中國的大學招待過去旅遊啊參觀而且也都是非常低廉的費用甚至是不用費用然後去體驗這個住好吃好的旅遊甚至本席以前在大學的時候也有被詢問過當然是沒有去啦但也被詢問過 |
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當然大家也都知道天下沒有白吃的午餐哪有平白無故被招待這麼好的事情不過回到這個村里長的招待啦會找上里長當然主要是兩個原因嘛第一個就是說村里長本身他的性質他不是說他不是狹義的公務員他領的是事務補助費可能因此這個到中國入境不一定要事先申報啦 |
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那第二就是村里長就是最基層的民政單位那其實就像剛才部長自己提到了啦他們大部分都跟選民往來密切所以中國最能夠藉由村里長來達到傳遞假訊息並且籠絡選民的任務那其實像我剛提到最近很多新聞也都有提到說這一次彰化縣有特別集中跟頻繁的趨勢啦那 |
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報導裡也有說到中國重慶市台辦從這個三個月分成三個梯次招待彰化縣300多位喔非常多300多位村里長到當地旅遊那為什麼挑上彰化有一說是說比起這個一些有明顯政治傾向的地區中部可能在政黨傾向上比較搖擺啦 |
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所以這個其實也是中國看上去借選的考量所以這件事情選戰只剩下30幾天了這件事情內政部真的是要積極的徹查啦去瞭解就是說各縣市的村里長有沒有異常被招待附中旅遊的狀況那剛才你也有說在查嘛 |
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那我這邊要講要督促就是說如果有這種明顯的對價不相等的狀況那該送檢調偵辦的就要立刻去送辦千萬不要去輕忽啦那再來是不是我也想問黃署長這邊啦因為除了這個賭博跟被招待之外買票啊、會選這種 |
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不正當的行為向來在選舉我們也都要嚴肅看待可是其實之前我也有跟警政署討論過隨著時代的進步買票賄選已經不是只有這種實體的物品給現金這種行為其實我們常常在說要查金流看犯罪嫌疑人有沒有異常的款項進出賬戶再去徹查他的來源作為犯罪的證據 |
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那如果以現在最新的科技發展來說例如透過虛擬的NFT或者是說虛擬貨幣作為媒介這些線上的隱秘的難以追蹤的方式請問署長這邊該如何處理是就虛擬貨幣這些幣流的一個追查警政署是訂定一個科真人才的一個教育訓練計畫 |
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那我們預計會有一年要培訓500位對避留的一個追查追蹤的方式來進行教育訓練那這個也包含了所有的專家來收購還包括金黃會的一個專業人員來協助我們訓練這些同仁 |
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了解對因為我想這個虛擬貨幣他的或許啦他的交易過程是隱秘加密的但是最後他事實上還是要把這個貨幣去兌現成各國的這個在地貨幣嗎所以如何去透過比對領取的帳戶的人別資料那進而去研判是不是有異常會選的可能性那 |
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可能找得到樁腳但是源頭這個部分其實也是要加強那我剛才這個署長講的這個計畫我也有看到啦那我想請問一下因為你說現在有在訓練嗎那這些人有辦法在這次選舉就投入偵辦的實務嗎其實我們的科證人才一直都在訓練早幾年前已經都在訓練那這500位是擴大擴大他的一個訓練所以這個之前已經訓練過就可以投入到這一次的一個選戰相關的必有的一個追查 |
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了解因為上週其實在這個財政委員會也有委員有問到說防範虛擬貨幣借選的議題那其實當時我看到說現場就有提出提案要求金管會要研議大額通報的標準那這部分也是要請有請許志祺加快腳步啦訓練腳步否則這個科技日新月異那要去這個進入感上應用在偵辦的實務上如果需要跨單位啦比方說我剛提到的金管會嘛法務部合作溝通的其實也應該要儘速處理 |
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可以嗎?那這個部分就是要再麻煩內政部還有警政署這邊多多擔待了OK,謝謝部長,謝謝署長,謝謝主席,謝謝好,請回座,謝謝賴委員接下來請陳益臻委員質詢請我們主委,中選會李主委請 |
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委員好主委早今天這個總統副總統號次已經抽定是的那之前在沸沸揚揚討論這個總統副總統候選人資格審定的時候就是想請教你們那時候說審定合格嘛三組候選人都審定合格是的那請問三組候選人你們的這個審定呢你們的審查是進行這個形式上的審查還是實質上的審查 |
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是實質的審查當初在討論這些這個有關什麼恢復國籍啊什麼雙重國籍啊是不是或者是規劃或回復這個部分的時候這個你們都有相關的資料吧我們有向內政部來函查內政部也非常清楚的告訴我們六組的候選人三組候選人六個 |
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候選人裡面沒有任何一個有回復國籍或者是所以你們是按照內政部的公文是吧那當然因為他是主任他有沒有檢附相關的施政沒有嘛就只有公文嘛他告訴我們結果所以你們是按照內政部的公文告訴大眾說這個都符合資格所以是內政部告訴你們這是非常明顯而且是確定是內政部說那我們請內政部 |
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所以有沒有人自始就有中華民國國籍或者原來是美國籍或是規劃或是回復的這部分內政部有做實質的審查嗎我想就內政部的部分我們有進行相關的一個查證有實質查證就對了包括過去對我們會查他的戶籍的一個資料那戶籍啦 國籍的部分呢也一樣我們會查戶籍都有做詳查好那所以你們手上有相關的這個資料嗎是的很詳細的資料那這個部分是不是應該公開提示給這個社會大眾知道 |
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委員會想跟你報告一下第一個因為不管是這個蕭女士的父親或者是他個人他從來都沒有上司國籍的一個資料所以他自始至終就是中華民國國籍對嘛那應該會有相關那每個人不管從戶政啊或是國籍或者他有父親有國籍的相關都有相關事證嘛 |
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他就是他就是他就是國籍啊他並沒有任何他並沒有任何上司或者回覆的這個資料那你至少會有他的相關的資料公告給大眾知道嘛我原理所謂相關資料指的是比如說我們看到的因為蕭美琴這個現在副總統候選人他當初在自己在媒體上說他只有美國籍啊他說過他自己只有美國籍啊 |
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不過那個是我們是必須他自己說的這個我們說的我們依法對所以依法對那他自己這樣說的話你們那他到底原來的中華民國國籍是因為他放棄美國籍後他就回復了這個中華民國國籍呢還是什麼情形我想 |
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你們既然查證過了你們是怎麼樣認定你們就應該把這個過程公諸我是說公諸給大眾知道這個減少社會的這個對立啦大家都清楚嘛那委員會跟你報告這非常簡單因為他從來沒有喪失所以當然他也沒有回復所以你意思是他面對媒體他面對媒體訪問的時候所以你的意思是他面對媒體訪問他是說謊的 |
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不是不是所以他誤會了對他有可能是誤會所以你說這個我們這個副總候選人他的認知能力有問題沒有我不能這樣子講對自己的國籍都沒有辦法認知清楚我想並不能這樣子對年輕的時候都沒有辦法認知自己是美國籍還是中華民國籍我想非常清楚只要是中華民國的國籍一出生的時候他就具有他認為他自己是只有美國籍你們卻幫他認定說他有中華民國國籍那我現在說他的認知錯誤你就說不是 |
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那委員我們依法我們依法他就是原住民國所以我們這樣爭辯沒什麼爭辯的話事實上都會陷入各說各話所以我希望你們就把你們查到的事證你們怎麼認定的你們或是你們根本我剛才已經講得很清楚你們沒有做任何查證反正你們就認為說他爸爸原來就是中華民國不是不是他爸爸原來就是中華民國也有相關事證吧你把它公告出來那委員 |
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他從來沒有申請上司那我請問你我說我有中華民國我說我沒有中華民國國籍那你們來認定的時候你們就說你本來就有你說有就有嗎一定有相關事證委員你這樣子邏輯上面有一些 |
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呃……可能有一些……我都這樣沒錯因為來來我先請問你蕭美琴自己說自己只有美國籍你們卻說她從來就有中華民國國籍所以我說那表示她當初在說謊的呃她在受訪的時候說錯嘛有可能她說錯了齁我們也不要說她說謊她可能說錯嘛對不對 |
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有可能是說錯啦對不對那部分我想我們是就行政機關我們國際法的我們國際法的相關的規定他要麼就說謊要麼他自己認知錯誤覺得自己只有沒國籍吧委員我覺得這樣子道歉一點啦對自己的國籍這麼年輕的時候都會認知錯誤這個 |
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所以我說我們這樣繼續爭辯實際上意義小也會增加衝突那現在會出現了嘛我說是不是你們把這些東西弄清楚公諸大眾嘛他附近也要有中華民國國籍比如說我舉例比如他父親一定有出國嘛他後來有去美國嘛一定有中華民國護照啊什麼這類的東西啊他什麼時候取得什麼時間點寫出來給社會大眾知道 |
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以恃眾疑、把這個社會減少這個寵物。」你們不提供就算了反正就是今天就是內政部說了算啦反正也不用提供不是我們依國籍法相關的規定去進行查證查證的結果他就是有中華民國因為他從來沒有上司他也沒有申請上司他有取得中華民國國籍嗎他當然有啊他有什麼時候取得啊為什麼自己認為沒有咧 |
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他自己會說沒有,我也不知道為什麼那時候我不曉得他的心目中只有美國這兩個國家委員這樣子說,我想你個人的意見尊重我說我們不用爭執,你不公告也就算了 |
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沒有什麼公佈公告的問題我們在上個禮拜的新聞稿裡面已經講了一遍都是用新聞稿嘛這就像蔡總統說他有有那個什麼論文什麼都是用新聞稿東西公佈出來嘛以示眾議就好了沒關係齁我去問下一題啊對不起啊來因為時間有限齁那個來你們也不公告啊就反而憑一紙公以後做什麼事情只要你們的公文就可以了委員這個不能這樣子講我們依國習法我們依法行政他沒有任何回覆 |
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他沒有申請上司他就是中華民國籍啊這麼簡單就是這樣子啊那我接受你的說法就是說蕭美琴在以前在接受媒體訪問的時候她要麼認知錯誤要麼她說謊就兩個吧還是她還是媒體報道錯誤就尊重委員你個人意見尊重你個人意見只有兩個可能啦兩個可能之一啦好來我想請問喔這個我們的我們上次不是上次修這個總統副總統選舉罷免法吧這個一起修的嘛記得吧在我們這裡委員會有修這個法 |
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我想請問這個總統副總統選舉報言法有沒有規定裡面有沒有規定有兩個政黨可以聯合推薦總統副總統誰會回答就是選舉報言法第22條第1項有沒有規定可以聯合推薦兩個以上的政黨答案在這裡哪一位回答 |
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這是哪一個單位?還是中選會要這樣回答?當然這個法令是內政部管的還是中選會要幫忙回答?報告委員,依照總統選舉、副總統選舉罷免法規定是得有兩個以上政黨共同推薦 |
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那時候討論要聯合推薦總統、副總統這個有什麼問題?為什麼會被告什麼縮延載湯? |
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那請問以後兩個政黨都會聯合推薦?兩個政黨在討論說到底怎麼樣聯合推薦?這個有什麼問題?這個就尊重提告的人他的一個主張跟訴求所以說你認為應該沒有這樣的問題了齁?那個提告的人...提告的人他當然...任何人都可以提...任何人都可以提嘛你認為呢?你對這個法律的解釋呢?你覺得可不可以聯合推薦?我想我們不方便在這邊談論這個候選人他現在已經...我要討論這個法律現在...現在已經... |
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現在已經進入到那個以後還是有可能今天已經抽選了我們也不是針對這個案子我們只是說以後有可能會發生嗎這個我們可能要看他的可不可以聯合推薦嗎這個我們可能要看他過程裡面看他過程裡面的可不可以在一起討論說聯合推薦這件事情嗎但是他不只是討論這個所謂聯合推薦他也許還有其他的這些談論的事情嘛所以這要看他的具體的事證跟提告人他的訴求OK |
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所以說你覺得這個被告發這件事情你如果就你的這個法律判斷你覺得這個告發這個施政會成立嗎沒有我不是法官我沒有辦法你不要吧反正你任何人都有提告權我也接受不過濫用司法資源或只是為了創造一些這當然是這一次當然是過去以後還是有可能發生我們既然總統副總統選舉辦法一定有這一條可以政黨聯合推薦當然各個主要政黨的主要的領袖人物坐在一起討論如何聯合推薦也不應該是一件犯法的事情對吧 |
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我剛剛講過當然他依兩個政黨合作的一個程序去進行在法裡面是允許的但他有沒有其他的事情就不曉得所以要尊重提告人提告的那個內容接下來請張宏祿委員質詢 |
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我先請內政部林部長請部長部長我們今天我們今天題目就是 |
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警察不在即投票我想請問一下其實現在我們雖然沒有不在即投票但我們的工作人員都有移轉投票的制度了嘛對不對如果我警察或是我選務人員我在我今天我要去擔任選務人員的話我就是可以在我的工作地點投票了吧 |
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對不對直轄市或者縣市都可以了嘛所以我們的警察應該也都是有這樣的嘛 |
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我們會盡可能的因為當天因為選舉有選務的這個勤務不過這個已經行之多年我們在選前都會請各警察機關去排定輪休或者是讓我們的內勤的同仁這個來做這個相關的一個支援那另外也就是希望就是說讓員警能夠在一方面完成勤務那二方面也可以輪流去做投票 |
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現在其實就有這個制度了啦對不對那只是一直以來這陣其實因為民主選舉已經有一段蠻長的時間現在都越來越順暢我們會盡可能的讓同仁能夠回去投票現在其實制度是有了啦只是說因為停務因為輪休的問題可能沒有辦法百分之百而已啦對不對那我覺得其實啊 |
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警察的權益他有他的投票權我覺得當然我們要保障我覺得就是說其實我們如果就是把它做到再精進一點能夠那個比例越高我覺得是會比較好啦 對不對 |
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是啦齁是沒錯那其實我們就是朝這個方向去努力就我覺得盡量尤其是讓基層的員警啦齁他可以比較有比較多的機會啦齁這個他能夠去投票我覺得我們朝這個方向應該來努力啦齁好好謝謝喔齁好謝謝林部長那我來請這個中選會那個李主委 |
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主委我們選務人員的修正公務人員比例從二分之一調為三分之一在今年的選務人員的招募在明年投票我們有沒有比較順利 |
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謝謝貴院的修法的幫忙自從公務人員的比例從二分之一調降為三分之一那今年的招募的工作是進行的比以往都要順利的多 |
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都沒有問題啦在我們原來規劃是10月30號以前要完全招募完畢其實各地選委會都超前而且啦我們這一次的這個選務人員的工作費其實也有調高啦是的應該也是增加了不少誘因啦謝謝大家 |
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不過這邊有一個就是要跟主委就是說我在基層上我聽到的就是說我們投開票所其實有分大小有的啦我舉例就好了 |
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我們新北時定的豐田里才80幾個人投票人數我們板橋有一個投開票所、社後就5000多人大家都想要去比較小的工作輕鬆同樣的一天這樣子工作輕鬆 |
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那有沒有我們未來這一個我們這個投開票所這個工作的費用其實會特別的比如說到五、六千人以上的這一種我們是不是要有特別的獎勵不一定是錢可能你的技工你的什麼這個我們有沒有這個方向來思考這樣子才不會說很 |
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任務繁重的人越多的其實我認為是更需要有經驗的人去嘛那我們如何讓有更有經驗的願意去人口數比較多的地方來做這個選務人員 |
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謝謝委員的關心,其實我們要感謝所有全國的選務工作人員,大家都是要來奉獻、服務,所以沒什麼藉口就對了當然這個勞役的問題會因為投開票所規模的大小而有所不同 |
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至於會不會根據這個勞役不同的情況來做工作費的調整我想我們的這個工作資給工作費的資給這個辦法最近剛剛行政院支持修正通過了我們會在事辦一段時間之後再來進行檢討 |
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我的意思不是只有增加工作費啦我們公務人員有續獎有什麼的啊那他的勞務這個沒有問題我說的是那個我剛才講不是你如果單純是調高那可能也不一定馬上可以做得到非議的問題而有不同的獎程的標準這是我們想應該是要這樣子做 |
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接下來請王美惠委員質詢 |
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主席我們請選舉那個李主委李主委主委早主委李我們每年1月13日選舉選33天是在這裏面的時候本市是覺得說最近你們在12月7日有開一個記者會 |
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說外來的介入、選舉、還是兜版的問題是不是說也有很多在主持裡面用作很多單位的叫人去選黨人在選黨黨中你們開記者會說你們去找什麼什麼跟看這個消息是真的還假的 |
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主委,如果像阿公阿嬤都在收音機跟手機沒在用,如果這個消息傳出來時跟土民大會一傳一傳,你覺得這要用什麼去選就更好,來主委你講一下 |
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有關於錯假訊息的防治這個也是我們今年選務非常重要的一點那錯假訊息的防治當然我們在第一時間掌握了訊息沒有啦,主委,我們是要跟你請教的是我們選舉會的設備在那天的記者會你也說得很清楚的可能沒有記者會啦,可能是我們的新聞局的那種,就是澄清的新聞局 |
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對阿,跟你們的新聞局,你們就是要跟人家說怎樣去了解,去讓人了解說,跟這個訊息是真的還假,跟我現在是要跟你請教說,你們要怎樣用這個機會給你選擇啦, |
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來 像你這樣要怎麼說第一個當然是我們民眾的這個嗜讀的能力應該要提升啦齁但是這可能不是第一期間內有辦法做到的這個訊息第一期間沒辦法做到 全33間都要甩掉了但是這個訊息的真假其實還是有一些事實查核的機構他們所提供的這個資料都可以作為參考的 |
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因為主委是因為本席看到你們有發展出來的時候我覺得就是傷害台灣的民主、選舉、歐美共現在本席就是要跟你說跟你們說這個 |
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這件事沒有意義啦我第一時間一定要說明即時的這個說明那透過不同的媒體的管道把它說出去讓大家知道主委剛才那天而已啦再來都沒人知道啦 |
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我們也可以收音機也可以說什麼都可以很多選擇的方法多元的管道多元的管道因為我現在是覺得說要有好的領袖要讓人留下來因為留下來的時候這個消息會越來越恐怖如果沒有 |
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一直說、說、說阿伯有東西去啦其實也不只是我們選委會在做這個挫甲訊息的澄清政府還有部門都有在處理這件事 |
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對啦,我就是說你因為他們有12個設備,你們做這個動作,我是要...我們也是職責所在,一定要做的。對啦,跟我說應該可以再做就好了。好,我再介紹,我再介紹。來,請保證法務部,來。林部長,還有黃次長。 |
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來 部長市長在這裡面大家好我們想跟你談到的就是說應該是最近的選舉你們有覺得有壓力嗎在1月30日我們有發佈一個說因為你們如果請我介入選舉的位或是多半 |
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的問題選舉期間總統一千萬有這個問題嗎?有這個高利貸稅?對,我們有這個獎勵的一個獎金的措施有啦齁?因為本席怎麼會跟你講這個呢?因為我們要多宣導,因為有聽說,我們這裡有多忙,這裡有招待要去大陸出頭,大家講講實在的啦 |
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每個里長都很辛苦的啦,那是少之又少的里長才會放交代去出頭啦,講實在里長他講的也不對,我不是白白交代捏,我還要開辦理考慮捏,所以部長那個我們的單位要去找好,因為 |
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事由：立法院第10屆第8會期內政委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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這次會任期本來4萬5,如果調整到5萬,因為我們知道立法院大家都辛苦嘛,只是說辛苦的時候,有一半的願意交代要去做 |
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思想的問題裡面這樣補充你認為要怎麼做?因為真的有人交代去喔來補充你講一下這種思想改造這是非常問題很大我們一定是經過相關的一個搜報它有確定的一些事實我們會做相關的一個處理 |
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因為部長您的單位說實在最近有多少出去嘛跟您查嘛,您能誰知道有多少嘛,出入有多少人嘛,一到十到多少嘛,住在什麼嘛,您如果說啊,我們又廟會,大家交代去住廟的那裡,這我們沒話說 |
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這期斷好又吃好這思維改造真的我們要有作為因為我覺得說 |
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要加強,不加強就說,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代,還有人交代 |
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在這裏你也知道我來自嘉義市嘛你也是北部縣嘛一家人因為嘉義最特別的就是有一個阿里山嘉義阿里山的橋下就是本社所在的所在就是嘉義市現在很多我們的目睹嘉義市有不怕的會出 |
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很多六千多棟在這裏面長久以來都沒有發動起到使用執照本事要跟你探討的就是說在嘉義市一個文創園區裏面也有很多棟的到現在立法院的建物裏面也有很多應该你們內政的 |
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執勤軍警消海巡人員投票權益、文化健康站等工作人員於執勤軍警消海巡人員投票權益、文化健康站等 |
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要多聯繫,跟這一次市政府要多聯繫一下,跟部長,你覺得自己在這件事,你要如何,有覺得要怎麼去幫助嗎?來,部長,來。 |
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議員你剛才說的那一棟是歷史建物還是一般的木造的房子?這個不太一樣我現在就是說有歷史的建物有歷史的建物的法條 |
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這步我們站著的、會站著的現在到不成為止就是無法去突破像我們文創園區、嘉義市一個這麼大的所在的文創園區已經很多年、很多年到現在它還無法站著使用這間 |
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文化園區一個人在一個園區裡面應該有相關的價位才對你剛才說的沒辦法輸到修容這是樹林的樹樹林的樹就是未來消防的他沒有修容這條樹他也不知道要怎麼消防如果他抓到樹林去修容是沒有這個問題他是以前到現在都沒有 |
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申請檢抹的就是人家說的違章建築的 |
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但違章建築意識是否有保存的這個階段?這可能要來...喔!沒錯!很有階段的!喔!很有階段!對!所以說我希望沒錯!跟營建署、跟嘉義市市政府,喔!這不算是我們的費用,這是要怎樣?如果對應的問題,到底要怎麼做? |
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是 委員是不是你剛才說到這個文化園區在個案的部分是不是在農會後我請國土管理署來幫你推領我認為我們不是說文創園區裡面 |
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我們這個六千多棟的木造的所在我們也要去關心所以說本身我們也能夠自立能夠讓自己是這個木造的有一個保障我們要好好協助因為木造也有很多不一樣的類型我們要研究看看因為我們以前都是 |
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提供的、提供的判斷就是無綱我們現在是國家的募集,要如何保準我們來研究一下以上,謝謝好,謝謝現在叫做國土管理署,不是營建署,好,來,繼續來,陳以信委員請質詢 |
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謝謝昭偉是不是請中選會李主委備詢請李主委 |
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主委早我想要針對台南市現在的立法委員選舉第5選區現在候選人是王家珍那他因為現在有一個之前的助理費的案件所以在緩刑當中我現在要問他現在針對他立法委員登記的參選資格中選會現在的認定是什麼 |
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跟委員做個說明有關於立法委員候選人資格的認定的問題我們會在這個月15號的委員會議來進行你對他這個案子有沒有了解這個案子我是看媒體報導有一些了解你不知道他這個案子現在可能有爭議你們有可能會 |
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你們有可能會不受理他的登記對不對最後的結果必須要是15號的委員會我當然知道我們現在就是要來討論這個事情為什麼因為我們已經預先看到這個事情大家討論的重點可能在公職人員選罷法第26條第9款的 |
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法院判決有期徒刑以上的刑確定了 |
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還沒有執行或者執行還沒有完或者是在緩刑中或者是行刑權施加消滅等等這種種的狀況也都是消極資格的情況我知道這個修法這個修法當然還有很多的疑義我們不是現在討論的重點我現在要問的就是說這個修法是在5月的時候進行是 |
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那王家珍他那個時候案件的判決是在2月所以他那個時候申請要緩刑時間點是2月他怎麼會知道3個月之後他的緩刑的申請會變成他不能夠參選的理由呢 |
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我們有關於候選人資格的認定的時間點就是在登記截止的時間登記截止的時候也就是24號到24號不是我是說2月的時候王家珍他要選擇 |
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這個緩刑的時候他怎麼會知道他如果選擇緩刑他三個月之後會因為修法然後他沒有辦法取得這個候選人的資格呢?如果他當時二月之後選擇一刻罰金就沒這回事啊他當時信賴緩刑並不會有其他的後遺症這個信賴為什麼到三個月之後不見了然後現在中選會要對他來可能要以這個理由來剝奪他的參選資格勒? |
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我想這個緩刑或者是一顆罰金這是法院的判決來做決定他就是判他可以一顆罰金也可以緩刑啊倒不一定是這個候選不是你現在第9款只有針對緩刑沒有針對一顆罰金嘛 |
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所以他二月的時候他說選擇一顆髮金他現在就可以選啊一顆髮金也必須要執行完畢一顆髮金前腳的就執行完畢了嗎對啊所以他當時選擇一顆髮金他就可以現在就可以選啊結果他當時選擇緩刑然後你們現在就有可能按照新法26條第9款然後讓他不能夠登記啊我想不管任何的個案就是說我們什麼不管任何個案我告訴你來我問你新法第二條是什麼概念 |
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你自己學法律不曉得刑法第二條是什麼概念刑法第二條就是罪行法定主義嘛就是要從輕從如果今天新法跟舊法競合的時候新法是比較嚴格他在行為的時候不知道新法的話那麼必須要怎麼樣必須要從舊從輕嘛 |
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這最基本的原則可是現在他在二月的時候他根本不知道五月會修法他當時選擇這個緩刑根本就不代表說他之後他怎麼會知道他會因為這樣而被剝奪他的參政權委員的這個意見沒有期待可能性啊委員的這個意見我們予以尊重但是就個案這因為已經牽涉到個案了而且認定的權限是在我們的委員會 |
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我現在就是要告訴你你們的認定有可能會侵害他的一個權利嘛你會再做一個非常嚴重的一個處理法法律的規定現在就有問題我現在就要開始去年是不是有這樣的案例紅本城的案例是不是在彰化有這樣的案例 |
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記不記得你記得嘛對不對當時是不是有提出行政假處分是有沒有同意假處分有同意嘛來這個當中為什麼會同意行政假處分第一個它是屬於公法上面的爭議為什麼因為是當事人的參政權跟你們是相對人所以有公法上的爭議第二個對於當事人的參政權而言如果他這次不能夠選他的 |
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參政權是重大的損害無法回復而且無法以金錢彌補對不對然後他說對於你這個相對人而言如果你現在讓他選他到最後如果你們認為他不符合消極要件你們可以怎麼做你的究竟是什麼如果法院有假處分的話我們會遵照假我當然知道你我現在就是要告訴你說你如果有假處分當然要聽我可是我們現在是看假處分的理由你本身還有救濟管道對不對什麼是救濟管道 |
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你去年的抗告被稅高行政法院駁回對不對 |
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誰的你的抗告啦洪本成的案件對洪本成的案件對啊你被駁回對不對本案最後他敗訴啦那是什麼時候本案最後來這個就是關鍵了去年你抗告被駁回所以他可以選選完之後你今年又提出選舉無效訴訟對不對 |
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有選舉無瑕事章對嘛你今年才提嘛提了以後結果是另一回事但是重點來了重點在利益橫平之下你如果現在不讓他選他的權益就是立即而重大而且不可毀損的回復的青睞欸你!你們相對人是有救濟權的欸 |
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你也有救濟權耶所以為什麼最高等行政法院跟最高行政法院通通都駁回你們的申請而你現在我們事件發生之初我就告訴你這種狀況你還執意而行連刑法都不可以重就重新重就因為這個必須要15號的委員會來做這個如果你今天15號判定讓他可以繼續選我就跟你說對不起 |
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我就跟你說對不起所以嘛我就跟你講我們現在這個預見15號的狀況你們極有可能會不受理他的登記嘛因為你們認為舊法清法已經把他的資格取消掉而事實上他在這個新法資格取消到的這個時候他早在三個月之前他根本不知道他沒有期待可能性他的信賴利益呢完全受到侵害他根本不會知道三個月之後要修法嘛 |
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我們是根據現行的法律的規定來進行審查的所以你現在看到你們現行法律要即將侵害到他不可回復金錢無法補償的參政權的時候你們兩手一攤什麼都不做嗎不是 如果當事人他有其他的救濟的管道的話我們現在就在救濟啊我們也尊重我們也尊重我告訴你現在這個案件已經發生了 |
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你們現在中選會仍然可以在這個15號之前做出什麼樣的一個事情但是我要告訴你15號之前什麼都不能做所以你看看你剛剛只是不願意告訴我你的結果事實上你的結果已經不言可喻了嘛15號大家開會委員會做決議了我們才有一個結果出來我現在要求你們就是說你應該要讓委員會委員知道這個案例為什麼因為你們的權利是不對等的 |
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你一旦現在剝奪了他的這個選擇權他的參政權事實上他當時沒有其他的可能性他根本沒有辦法預見三個月之後他選擇緩行這件事情會被取消他的參選資格好再來你現在身為中選會你是有救濟管道的你的救濟管道就是之後你可以有選舉有效的訴訟的提出而這個是可以回復的對他而言你現在不讓他登記 |
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他就沒有了而且其實在這個最高行政法院的判決裡面講了很重要的一個原則是什麼還有民主原則也就是說王家珍自己本身有權參政人民有權利選擇他這個叫選舉權我們有權利選擇他結果他人民選擇王家珍的權利是被你中選會剝奪而剝奪的理由不是被我剝奪了你在認定上面基本上認定上面是有問題因為這個法修得太快 |
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這個修法在今年的6月才經過立法院單獨通過那我問你2月的時候他怎麼會知道他選擇反行的時候我們根據大院通過的法律來執行我問你2月的時候他怎麼會知道他選擇反行他會被剝奪參選權為什麼 |
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你是不是要四個月以後你會不會下台這個在立法的過程裡面應該都會有所考量你不用去考慮立法的過程我現在要告訴你說你們現在即將要對撞即將就要發生這個禮拜就要發生你們中選會就要做出一個比刑法第二條 |
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最新法定主義還要嚴格的這樣一個判斷從後去剝奪一個人的參政權參政權是憲法的基本人權你們中選會就會成為剝奪憲法基本人權的一個幫兇我現在就要告訴你現在最高行政法院也好高等行政法院也好去年的所有的一個判決還有都已經講出這樣的一個原則更何況你現在身為一個相對人你有救濟的管道你憑什麼在之前就不讓他選 |
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如果有法院的確定的裁判我們都會尊重都會按照確定裁判來執行當然今天如果有行政假處分的話就會這麼做我現在是希望你們能夠在事前就能夠讓大家知道有這樣的一個案例充分的討論事前我沒有辦法事前我只能夠根據這個法律規定是怎麼樣我照這樣來回答我希望讓中選會的委員在開會的時候能夠充分知道這個案件做充分的討論有利不利的我們都會予以考量 |
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這個案件沒有預設立場這個我們今天可以論辯這個過程未來都有可能會進入到憲法法院來憲法訴訟法裡面來進行這樣的一個討論為什麼因為這個法從現在個人的層次如果一旦未來如果說這個對於傷害人當事人的傷害是確定的話當事人也不排除一路會走到憲法這個解釋的程序 |
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政績所以我現在要告訴你現在你身為中選會的一個主管機關你有可能就是這樣的一個可以說是扼殺參政權的一個筷子手這個責任我們負擔不起你就是執行人啊我們現在都看你依法執行不是我們來扼殺他依法執行但是就會扼殺了 |
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二殺的參政權我讓你現在知道我現在要留下這個紀錄我現在要留下這個紀錄讓你知道說未來我們一旦進入到憲法訴訟的時候我們必須要在這個地方來思考如何保障基本人權這才是我們最大的目的是我們尊重尊重當事人的權利主張好謝謝委員謝謝主委謝謝陳以新委員接下來請黃士傑委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席我們是不是請法務部黃謀信長次黃次長請委員好市長好朋友好我記得你好像也是我們桃園的鄉親對你老家在觀音的白玉對不對魚乾泉市很近對不對魚乾澇乾泉市走路幾分鐘 |
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應該5分鐘內就走得到了那今天有一個這個我很少在這邊講關於個案的事情但是這個事情跟我們共同的故鄉很大的關係所以我希望很明確的請你來進行一個協助那麼最近桃園我們的桃園科技園區在哪裡你知道嗎桃科 |
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在觀音附近在觀音嘛對不對在白玉跟大潭對那麼有三家SRF電廠要進駐在地方上產生很大的爭議對你知道這個新聞嗎我知道那麼你也知道說所以已經引發了很多的這個抗議對所以現在其實不管是中央政府或地方政府都在重新檢討當初的這個決定 |
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但是這個過程裏面也引發了一些是不是在裏面有弊案的一些爭議我先讓你看一下一個影片來放影片有沒有聲音當我在商業站裏扶梯後 |
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當我在3月份披露SRF場在我們的桃科設廠之後陸續有兩家要來摸頭我在關於甘肅市關於火土面前向大家尊重報告所說的這個利益他說是前朝決定的我是新科議員我不要講 |
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五千萬市長,你看得有清楚嗎?這個議員你知道是誰嗎?不曉得,我不清楚很久沒回老家了這個議員是我們現任的桃園市議員吳敬昌他就在你的老家觀音的信仰中心甘玄寺前面講了這段話請教市長,如果這個議員所說屬實 |
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由廠商、總民意代表、企業五千萬這麼大的利益而且是一年了言下之意就是每年都有然後要求他為一定職權的行使或不行使這個有沒有觸犯刑法 |
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顧問報告就抽象的法律來講如果他因為他本身是依法執行公務的人員他是公務員那我們的貪污罪條例上面對這個公務員行求契約或交付賄賂的話他法律上他是有處罰的規定我講法律上所以這個民意代表也是這個廣義的這個行使公權他也是公務員行法上的公務員嘛對不對所以呢他所描述的情節 |
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是不是我們的檢調單位應該要偵查的?那委員已經問到個案個案上他那個就是說那檢察官如果說因告訴告發這時候其他情勢只有犯罪嫌疑那所屬的管轄的地檢署他可以依法來處理好那但是我知道你們法務部DR局也有這個宿攤組對不對那地方上也都有據點嘛對不對 |
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知道這樣子的情資有沒有主動去偵查這個是關我們人民的重大的權益而且這個五千萬如果他一人任期四年加起來是兩億這有沒有重大的這個可能是這個搞不好破紀錄如果這個匯款成真的話而且他還意圖指涉說有其他的人有相關的這些情節他自己說他自己沒有拿 |
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到底有沒有辦法我不知道了那他所描述指控的這樣的情節難道我們的檢調單位不應該主動來偵查嗎不應該請他去具體就說他連相對人的講得相對清楚那三家裡面有兩家去找他他只是沒講是哪兩家而已 |
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跟我們報告那因為這個有這樣子的披露理論上來講他所屬的地檢署他知道這個有這個犯罪嫌疑的話按照我們刑訴法228條的規定他應急開始偵辦那前提是所屬的地檢署要做一個判斷這個案子是要啟動偵查那我們現在是不是可以請你們轉資這一個 |
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所屬應該是桃園地檢署還有你們法務部調查局相關的全責單位就這麼嚴重侵害人民權益這麼嚴重的妨礙我們行政的官員以及我們的民意代表執行公務的連結性這種指控這麼嚴重竟然沒有任何的調查連請這個議員去說一下到底哪兩家去找他都沒有 |
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各位報告任何人知道這個有犯罪行為的話都可以依法提出告發報告委員今天在這個質詢那我們也當作告發案來轉資所屬機關其實我們要很嚴肅認真的去查查包括這位議員所說的是不是事實以及他所意圖影射的後面其他人包含行政官員包含其他民意代表你知道他講完之後第二天我們官員有兩席議員 |
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另外一位議員就被民眾問說他拿五千萬那你有沒有 |
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我相信這個事情是非常嚴重的我們應該要很嚴肅的去看待它如果連這樣子的披露跟這個指控我們都不處理我們假裝當作沒看到那我們要怎麼去取信於人民說我們真的有在維護我們政府機關八名民意代表食食植物的公正跟廉潔性 |
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是,委員今天執勤之後我們會把資料轉給台灣地檢署台灣地檢署會依法處理好,那也是因為我們都是共同的故鄉希望你站在我們鄉親的權益上面一定要嚴加來督導這個事情一定要來徹查,可以嗎? |
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地檢署我沒有權利處理地檢署假、免而言我知道你要解釋我們都檢查體系我知道有權利分離謝謝那另外還有這個剛剛很多委員也有提到這個中國借選那麼比較常講到就是假訊息那最近好像橋頭地檢署一個案件涉及這個 |
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用低價甚至無償招待里長或其他地方人士前往中國旅遊請問有這個案子嗎各位報告現在事實上也不只橋樓地檢署有好幾個地檢署有類似的案件在偵辦中那你們有沒有確實的掌握 |
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他這個所謂的邀請或是說因為他一定在台灣有相關的這個組織或是說有窗口來去做這樣的邀請不然你怎麼知道去哪裡報名各位報告那從各相關地檢所發布的新聞稿來看他甚至有些已經做這個具體的強制處分甚至有申請羈押的動作那羈押或是強制處分前提要有犯罪嫌疑所以就具體事證來講所屬的地檢署應該要有掌握要不然他不會有做相關的強制處分甚至申請羈押的動作好 |
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我們是希望說辦這個案子不是說事後去補救如果可以的話選前剩下三十幾天這種行為我們要能夠主動去把它遏止所以我問你說大家有沒有去找到這個相關的組織因為你們蔡部長先從媒體訪問的時候已經說這個是涉及到有可能違反反滲透法 |
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相關的這個法令所以它不只是單純的這個會選或是說什麼相關的一般的我們國內案件這個其實跟這個我們國家民主的這個獨立自主相當大的關係所以希望說我們的檢調單位能夠正式而且能夠去嚇阻這樣的行為 |
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這個相關的新聞稿出來也要廣為宣傳跟我們啟動的這個反會選查查等等的相關的這個宣傳要結合在一起各位報告我們除了這個反會選宣導之外我們相信最嚴厲最嚴格的查會就是最好的反會經過我們嚴厲的查會之後它其實達到一個宣導的作用 |
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好,那我就希望說你們在宣導上面這一種形態也要把它列入能夠讓我們很多可能不了解這個事情的嚴重性事實上很多地方的里長或什麼的他不知道這件事情有多嚴重我們應該要好加大這個宣導力度讓他們不要誤掏法網是好,以上謝謝謝謝,來謝偉 |
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我們等一下在鄭天才委員質詢完之後休息五分鐘現在請鄭天才委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
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主席、各位委員、有請內政部部長還有演民會一將主委還有法務部還有司法院部長好在你的報告裡面今天的報告裡面特別提到 |
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7957.191 |
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案養子女與本身父母之權利義務已停止。提案得由本身父母申請取得原住民身份,以《民法》上開規定,事有罕格。又談養父母與本身父母就養子女取得原住民身份事件 |
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發生意見衝突時,附贈居然如何辦理戶籍登記、發生爭議,嚴建請再爭走。」這裏面還提到這個你的報告裏面還提到堂養子女得任意申請本身父母之戶籍資料因涉及本身父母之個資提供將影響其權益嚴建請再爭走要特別特別的 |
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來跟這個部長也請司法院法務部協助說明協助說明這個我們看這個司法院4至第28號解釋文我先講部長針對這個條文我做過開了很多次協調會但是你們的同仁不敢做我其實可以做解釋的 |
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可以做解釋但是你們同仁不敢現在在修法我們現在是立法修法 |
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當養父母與養子女利害相反涉及訴訟時依民事訴訟法第582條規定其本身父母得待為訴訟刑可見雖在所養期間本身父母對於養子女之利益仍得依法加以保護 |
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所以楊子女以本身父母之天然血親關係仍屬存在亦即楊子女以本身父母仍屬直系血親所以這個部分很清楚的部分如果我們從司法院司制第28號解釋的一開始的解釋文裡面提到楊子女 |
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以本身父母方面之天然血清人屬存在。」天然血清是沒有辦法被隔離的雖然它只是潛力義務但是天然血清永遠存在故有之天然血清 |
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不需要回覆當這個終止所養關係的時候權利義務回覆但是所謂的回覆者只回覆其相互兼之權利義務故有之天然血清無待於回覆司法院的解釋大法官的解釋已經這麼清楚了我們看憲法法庭111年憲判制第4號判決這是最新的 |
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人之血統須先以憲法法律存在之自然事實先以憲法法律存在之自然事實人的血統所以原住民之身份認同權應受憲法第22條規定高度保障來原住民特殊的人格權利所以這個部分因為這個下午審查我是希望 |
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8174.07 |
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司法院內政部請司法院跟法務部這個等一下就先協商是不是能夠因為這個部分涉及到這個人他自己要回復父母親本身父母願意他回復然後養父母也願意讓他回復結果你說不可以這是很重要的我們看這個 |
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部長、堂、養子女得任意申請本身父母之戶籍資料因涉及本身父母各自提供,因影響其權益,言見請再以申走。」我們現在的條文是說成年了這個養子女成年了可以依個人的意願來回復她的原住民身份 |
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他如果不能去申請他的本身父母的資料的戶籍資料他如何去提供如何去證明如何去證明現在重體在這裡啊你現在引用的是一個一個處理原則我們現在是修法我們現在是立法 |
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所以這個部分我這邊時間的關係就不再請你們等一下我要拜託內政部我們現在是立法、修法過去部長我們原住民生物法民國90年公布施行我那時候是副主委我還是處長那時候還是處長我們有一條條文 |
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原住民身份先的原來的那個民法法務部知道原來的民法規定重復性人出生了要重復性是原住民身份法排除民法的1059條 |
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8299.077 |
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父母可以協議來到底要讓你的孩子要從父訓還是從母訓是從原住民身份法開始的後來民法才修正配合按照我們的一樣的意見一樣的條文所以這個部分這個我們要特別特別的另外就是說原民會的部分我剛剛講過 |
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這很重要這條文一定要改所以等一下趕快協商主委你看一下你要看這個條文這很重要現行的條文看最右邊的現行的條文原住民以原住民結婚守生之利取得原住民身份不用申請取得他是自天然的事實人的血血統就是這樣 |
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8355.467 |
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起得你現在的修正條文是得申請起得現在的這個在副政事務所一看原住民跟原住民的結婚所生的孩子他直接把他登記原住民身份現在變得申請起得這非常非常的嚴重所以這個一定要改為 |
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得申請這三個字要拿掉等下趕快協商所以我們等下下午審查的時候才會順利這個部分非常非常的重要部長跟法務部還有司法院請回座我們看這個工作權保障法現行的條文是針對第4條是針對不計公務人員任用資格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
8388.617 |
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8409.867 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
定一個名額的一個比例百分比現在修正為這個員包括公務人員包括公務人員的話而且你把併在一起公務人員我當然贊成但是你要把併在同一條條文的時候當一個鄉長、一個鎮長、一個市長 |
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或者是在原鄉地區的不管中央的各部會這個不需要公務人員資格的他如果你這樣定的話他全部都用公務人員因為公務人員分發什麼他沒辦法做決定這些首長可以決定的就是什麼變成說不需要公務人員資格的以後都變成不是原住民了 |
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8474.931 |
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全部都用公務員這個是對我們不計公務人員身份的這些這些相關的這些司機、駕駛、清潔工我們現在大概都清潔隊了我們現在很多都因為清潔隊他需要公務人員身份所以這個部分希望這個人民會能夠跟相關的不會再協商我的條文 |
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8496.289 |
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像我的條文我提案的條文分開的你這個不需要公務人員資格的繼續原來的條文我們非常謝謝要把公務人員國營事業還有公立學校能夠 |
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8521.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
既有這些考試資格的我們另外定這是應該的然後我特別還增加什麼政府監助財團法人政府監助的財團法人我們當然可以我們現在是政府監助財團法人按照財團法人法政府監助50%以上政府監助50%以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
8526.943 |
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8551.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
有的甚至百分之百哦!很多的那個草原法院是政府兼助百分之百的很多所以這個部分也請原民會能夠跟相關部會能夠協調溝通讓這樣的條文非常好的條文能夠通過所以這個部分包括我們整個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
職員、既有公務人員資格的跟沒有公務人員資格的還是要把他分開 諸位可以我們努力去協調 可以嗎 |
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8596.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
我們會後再看一下相關條文來做處理不過剛剛委員最後提到那個那個財團法人的部分但是第12條已經有相關的規範第12條你是說你們現在提的嗎還是說現在的院版現在的院版你說財團法人公放在12條裡面放在12條所以我們在審查條文的時候我們再仔細看但是重點是在於那個 |
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8606.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
原跟公還是要分開好不好好 謝謝謝謝鄭天才委員主委請回座 現在請羅美蓮委員質詢謝謝主席 也請一將主委一將主委請 |
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8628.081 |
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8656.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
委員好各位好 各位去年台灣加入了這個由紐西蘭發起的原住民族經貿合作協議就是所謂的IPECA那創始的會員國除了有紐西蘭、台灣還有加拿大跟這個澳洲那這是一個國際首創以推動原住民族經貿跟投資議題為主的這個國際經貿協議那真的是非常感謝一將主委的這個努力 |
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8656.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
8674.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
那我們經歷了一年多的籌備所以這四個會員國其實在APEC期間美國召開了第一次的夥伴關係理事會那在會中我方有提出了三個優先合作的項目那第一個就是 |
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8675.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
8701.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
推動永續旅遊合作,帶動我方原住民族的經濟產業第二點就是建立官方對官方還有民間對民間的經貿窗口第三還有氣候變遷、公正轉型的碳匯對這三點本席真的是非常的肯定可是除了這三個之外之後可能還有很多的合作項目可以提出本席有提出兩個建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
8717.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
除了這個旅遊還有經貿的合作之外其實我們還可以強化深化這個再生能源產業跟文創產業其實本期有提出這個建議其實也有參考過其實我們 |
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8718.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
8725.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
原住民族產業與紐西蘭貿易之可行性的評估報告我現在想到竟然我們有這個經貿平台其實有很多之前我們請委外的研究的內容其實我們都可以在這裡來做落實北西哥有提到所謂的再生能源產業因為台灣現在也在積極的推行再生能源產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
8748.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
8750.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
紐西蘭有80%的電力是來自於再生能源其中有17.8%是來自於地熱去年我們再生能源條例在修正的時候其實我們也增設了地熱專案在紐西蘭來講 |
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8769.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
8783.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
他的地熱其實有9個地熱發電區其中有3個是由毛利人所共同持有管理紐西蘭的地熱電廠特別在毛利人參與的程度是非常的高 |
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那政府更是輔導毛利人自行申請籌建地熱的電廠那台灣的地熱潛能資源有40.6%其實是在我們原住民的傳統領域所以台灣是否能夠順利發展地熱其實跟原住民族的溝通合作有很 |
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很重要的這個關係所以我們也是希望說我們臺灣其實可以透過這個原民經貿協議這個平臺然後跟其他國家的這個來取經然後跟這個紐西蘭其實我們可以做一個交流那我不曉得說一將主委在跟我們的這個會員國在以後呢有沒有想到就是說我們在地熱方面的我們可以來做一個交流或是做相互的這個投資 |
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跟委員兩點的說明第一點是關於你一開始提到的IPECA這次在美國討論到永續旅遊的這個部分的議題那其實明年的世界民主禮物高峰會已經確定要在台灣舉行明年的試驗第一屆是在紐西蘭 |
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第二屆在今年的上半年在澳洲第三屆在台灣是紐西蘭主動推薦給我們這個旅遊高峰會說希望台灣來承辦我們已經取得這個承辦的這個這個這個這個責任所以明年失業這是一點說明 |
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第二點是關於委員最後提到這個有關地樂的部分其實我們這幾年跟紐西蘭已經有持續做相關的交流他們已經有多次來台灣來跟我們分享他們有關地樂剛剛委員提到這個部分所以像目前在台東的應該是在 |
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原坪的紅葉溫泉同時有溫泉跟地熱這部分目前公所也正在做這樣的處理這部分我們也會藉助我們紐西亞的過去經驗持續做這樣一個地熱的發展讓原住民在再生能源這部分也有一個實質參與的潛力 |
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所以我想說紐西蘭其實有真的有很多可以接近的地方那再來我還有提到文創這個產業像台灣我們也是南島語系的這個運輸的這個發源地那台灣原住民的這個多元的語言跟文化我想應該也是台灣的一個主流文化 |
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那文創產業它其實是一個很棒的這個發展的這個途徑那像這個澳洲也就是這個IPECA的這個會員國之一澳洲的新南威爾斯州它有10個原住民土地委員會那成立了一個國家原住民設計機構就是NATA我們所謂的NATA |
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那我們台灣也有一個LIMA可是LIMA它畢竟是一個電商平台它跟那個NADA的這個性質比較不太一樣像那個NADA他們會運用原住民的這個傳統智慧跟藝術創作跟當代的這個設計進行這個媒合然後開發出這個商品跟這個作品 |
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那他們甚至還會跟這個原住民的這個藝術家、設計公司共同開發出比如說具有原住民族風格的像家具、家飾等等那這個利潤大家都是像NADA或是藝術家跟這些公司它都是共享的那台灣目前還沒有辦法做到這樣我們只是提供一個像LIMA這樣子的一個電商平台那我在想說我們的會員國澳洲、紐西蘭其實他們對於原住民文化的這個重視是跟台灣是一樣的 |
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那我在想在文創方面我們是不是也可以跟他們來做一個交互的交流請問主委跟委員說明剛剛你提到這個LIMA的電商平台應該是從去年就開始推動 |
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但事實上我們也有實體的這個電商平臺已經把那個這個是它是一個電商平臺嗎這是我們供這個商家來做一個商品的一個展售啦展示等等可是我們對於這個設計師藝術家的這個提供的這個資源其實可能沒有像說澳中新南威爾斯這麼的深入我是這麼覺得是主委繼續我們這個部分其實 |
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包括我們在鄭文昌副院長還在當桃園市長的時候他已經完成一個很重要的國際原住民產業的這個園區這個部分應該在明年就會正式來營運整個委員的這個有關文創的這個建議我們會把他納入在整個我們推動跟國際的這個文創的部分包括紐西蘭澳洲這個部分我們會執勤做交流 |
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對我真想說我們都是屬於南島語族的這個國家我真想我們在這方面應該有很多的合作的這個機會我想說那我們原住民的文化呢主向國際也是一個我想也是原民會應該要來努力的這個方向尤其是我們現在有一個IPECA的這個平台我想在我們走入國際我想有更多更多的這個機會是我很謝謝委員最嚴敏的這個 |
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這個IPECA的那個認知那麼深入而且都完全掌握嚴敏的地熱還有包括文創這個部分謝謝委員對這個部分的整個指教我們會持續依委員的這些建議來推動我們未來的整個原住民族產業的這個推廣OK 好 謝謝主委 原民會加油好 現在休息5分鐘休息後繼續開會 |
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這個禮貌之中 |
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接下來請莊瑞雄委員質詢謝謝張偉有請我們內政部林右昌林部長還有警政署我們黃署長來林部長黃署長請 |
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部長跟署長有幾個問題要來就教跟建議目前我們各縣市地方警察局設置的一個標準我們按照各地方的警察局的轄區人口數我們去核算設置的一個緣額再分別去以面積機動車輛數還有犯罪率去核算緣額的一個增值以目前來看的話你看那個 |
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直轄市 設置一個緣額省轄市跟轄區人口50萬以上或國際機場、港口這一些500人就給一個就對了那其他各縣市警察局人口以700人來設置一個緣額其他的部分我就不再贅述了但是你如果說按照轄區人口所管面積來做基礎並且以轄區內的犯罪率等其他的 |
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一個來併營來做一個增加緣額確實是一個好方法可是呢本席認為這中間有一個盲點署長你聽聽看就是說以目前我們警政署你去統計轄區人口數都是要來重播要依靠去統計月報來做一個基礎可是呢民主就說林部長或是署長沒中你可能本地的基隆市長依靠可能在那裡如果他做沒中你讓他在台北可能 |
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上班在這個地方全台這樣有的跑來跑去的甚至當然也有很多北漂族、南漂族戶籍跟真正的居住地其實它是不一樣的那本席是認為說以新北市來看你譬如說新北市的林考所4803萬594人但是根據你這個電信信息人口的統計資料裡面平日夜間的新北市就高達440萬4882人這個是一個相去甚遠的一個 |
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有一段差距的一個數字那目前的設置規則裡面的一個盲點就是說如果你按照轄區的人口數你到了夜間的高人口數的尖峰時段的話你可能變成一個員警啊你要去平均照顧的人數就會上升當然也會增加整個員警這個一個執勤上的一個負擔這個就是本席今天想要來請教署長的就是說 |
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我們目前原警設置規則有存在這樣的一個盲點在那我給你具體建議啦既然內政部現在都已經有統計資料那警政署是不是把它納入參考去做微幅調整來達到更好的一個平衡請教署長 |
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謝謝委員關心這個議題我想除了我們剛剛所設置的標準除了人口、面積、車輛數、犯罪例外當然還要包含治安的要點要維護的還有特警的頻率這個要動員蠻多的人力 |
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所以相對你看台北市為什麼他的警力數會比新北市還高一點但是他人口數還是少這個要考量到其他因素的一個編制那您所提醒的這個確實是一個盲點那我容我們來或又來嚴厲看要怎麼來 |
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政府如何去制定合理的 |
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那整個房屋啊的貸款的一個層數啊我看啊 柏丁你有沒有看到啊 張立豪你有沒有問到啊在會議裡在海黨的總統候選人提出了一個政見這個政見喊出了就是說購屋貸款提升到1500萬啊這貸款比例18%啊貸款前5年只需償還利息政府再補貼0.5%啊那 |
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這個週末我看這個候選人會有一些肇事的孫子比較傳傳你的政見以外他在那裡痛批你說你跟年輕人距離太遠說責政黨完全不了解年輕人的一個痛苦這個我聽了我是很不以為然為什麼很不以為然 |
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你說這個貸款一千五百萬投機款全部都政府來做這個負擔我如果做年輕人我聽起來會爽你知道嗎我聽起來會很忙我會說哇 這麼好啊都不用傳錢給人家買房子可是呢你把它冷靜下來以後你把它想一想這個是一顆毒蘋果為什麼它是一個毒蘋果呢假設 |
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都在不升息的情況之下而且貸款的金額是1500萬以台銀你看以台銀現在來看喔台銀現在的房貸是2.0%2.06來計算前5年你去補貼0.5%的話就是說你2.06減掉0.5剩1.56 |
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那每一期你要本利合本利合差不多就一萬九千五那個本當然前五年是零啦九千五那如果五年過後你補貼零點一二五就是二點零六百分之二點零六減掉零點一二五 |
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就等於1.935差不多每一期一番看本利盒會高達6萬3千塊我以後想五年後提委你心碎有辦法這樣一直增加你知道嗎這個政策落實了以後我反而會擔心 |
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提出這個政策的人年輕人會喜歡可是呢你讓他去沉澱以後他會覺得說我甘湯為什麼我說落實以後造成像比如說美國的金融危機就是一個次貸危機你前5年你19500大多數人我看都付得起年輕人也會開心但是這個第6年以後負擔超過是將近3.2倍 |
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又轉售又綁10年。」這對我這個年輕人來說,我感覺說,對我身體是增加了很多,不然還會更大一個負擔。所以我請教部長的就是說,對我有一所主張這樣,我都很擔心變成說當沖,會變成隔代沖的一個風險。前5年我負擔得起,第6年開始負點3.2倍買房以後啊, |
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薪水若無淨價或我籌到地價賄或我有其他投資收入的話那個確實是還款還到老以後變成說現在在幫助年輕人其實也會造成很大的負擔尤其我更擔心的是什麼呢我更擔心的就是說你現在這1500萬你把它當成一個門檻我要中古屋出售 |
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變相都會抬高會有抬高到一直搞不好我如果建商我拉我把他拉到1500以後我企出來成屋我企出來就要1500所以柏中你會看我是怎樣 |
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我想任何的購買的行為都應該是理性的然後第二個你必須要考慮可負擔那衝動的一個購買的行為這個通常都是比較不好的那特別是購物這個金額的這個金額數很大那剛剛在講所謂的免投期款並不是不用還他還是要還因為總價並沒有改變 |
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但是那個五年之後就會有還款的問題因為他會把原本你應該要還的全部加上來也就是你會比要支付頭期款你必須還更多的一個錢在總價不變的一個狀況之下在第五年之後 |
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所以剛剛提到如果說是用1500萬免頭期款來算的話等於那個總價的金額大概是1875萬那原本你是要付375萬的一個頭期款但是如果是在這樣的狀況下不用付但是5年之後你還是要回頭還那個375萬的一個本金所以他的負擔其實是會加重所以你擔憂的是什麼 |
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我擔心的是我們政府的一個政策必須要穩健那第二個是我們現在的一個方式都是鼓勵儲蓄然後政府最後幫你一把 |
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也就是你有相關的一個優惠利率的一個提供那在這個你支付了這個所謂的頭期款之後第一個是掂量自己的購物的能力買適合的房子第二個是你有真正能夠還款的這樣子一個能力的一個配套那這個時間是很長因為還款的貸款期間大概是20到30年的時間所以必須要考慮到整個的合理的一個購買能力 |
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任何一個負責任的政府你要看看你要解決的到底是什麼這一題其實我也要講的其實也叫做居住正義居住正義這個東西就是地方政府、中央政府任何一個政府它全部都有責任這就是怎樣你知道嗎?就是你應該地方政府應該做的事情 |
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像譬如說社會住宅你新北市搞不好你的電影都要停頓了這沒搞到你現在開始要競速、要飆車我都很擔心這一題它會翻車啦為什麼呢你去把它看啦我們政府一直在強調居住正義就是說問題咧我們要捐獻年輕人及租屋主的一個負擔以社會住宅來看的話第一階段本來政府 |
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在幫忙地方政府資金挹注還幫忙去找土地譬如說第一屆在台北市我們補助40倍的電子街端在110年中央政府投入了直接興建社會住宅我們從修法裡面來看這個我感受特別深刻我到第8屆的時候都沒有人在談這個 |
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是蔡政府上來到第9屆我們開始去談那110、109、2017年的時候我們去修這個住宅法這增訂中央主管機關為新辦的一個主體就是說以前地方政府去中央給你錢、給你賺土地現在我們覺得沒辦法了我們把它修法中央政府直接去下場我們也可以去蓋 |
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然後蔡政府上來以後我相信很多的一個措施包括你看我們連整個社宅法我們不斷的去做一個修改連社宅的一個弱勢比例我們從10%升到30%現在還要變40%電鍋也已經放寬了所以欲有未成年子女家庭富兒社會住宅弱勢的資格本來是3個現在都放寬降低到 |
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兩個所以我是認為這條這條部長你如果剛才在這裡正面回應我都很擔心一顆毒蘋果但是一個很爽的政策其實我實在是 |
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一直在問部長說要把年輕人這樣倒幾次我們也一直在說看可不可以創一個基金我年輕的我來簽字政府相對我們就幫補助多少理責的部分我來幫你做一個補貼那就是一個比較穩健的方式但是沒有想到 吼吼吼 你們給我一隻狗找一個全部都不用錢 |
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這個講的齁中央政府你看你看那個中央銀行在做信用管制的時候我看那一波一波一波的這樣發首購你看他現在他買一間房子大家看你現在我們如果他買一間房子大家看我們75年了可以大家75年了你現在不是全部都不用建屋都來這個實在是要好好的去內政部要好好的去把這個利弊喔 |
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真的要去講一下另外最後一個問題主席不好意思我們這個主席對我最好的讓我把這一題把他那個年輕朋友在擔心的一個問題很多租屋主我上次也就教過花次還有部長就是說我們從立法院第一個我幾乎 |
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針對這個租屋的租屋主的電費問題第一個提出這個質詢我一直在追蹤這個問題後續我也提過好幾次就是說終於讓台電在去年初在帳單上可以增列了前年度平均電費來讓房東房客有一個依據 |
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但是根據整個租客聯盟的租屋狀況的調查顯示仍然有高達4成的租屋主的電費計算方式仍然是按照房東規定的每度電費來做一個繳納這個普遍都是超收讓房客也只能咬牙去做這樣的一個接受那今年度呢 |
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我相信也有更多的委員一起來努力這個問題向台電提出質詢本席也看到內政部上個月邀集各單位跟相關團體召開第二次的座談來談這個精進租電費的一個資訊及寄收的一個標準我要請教部長就是說你內政部連串兩次座談會裡面有沒有更進一步的具體的一個方向 |
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我想這個會議是花次長主持的是他相關的討論的細節還沒有跟我報告是不是容我會後請花次長再跟委員做說明好 我是這樣認為啦如果說在這個住宅租賃定型化契約裡面你那個殷記載跟不得記載事項裡面你那個電費的一個上限為台電所訂當月用電的一個最高級距的每度的一個金額改為當期每度的平均電費然後呢並且在租屋的一個 |
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租賃的一個定型化契約裡面新增房東電費透明的一個義務那將來講的話有辦法來額外來計算出來除了內政部以外臺電現在也不斷的在鼓勵房東來裝置這個智慧電表以及以單獨裝表的方式來計算各間的一個分租雅房的一個使用的一個電度也沒有單獨的裝置 |
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計算公共設施用電的一個房東能夠要求他們來提出合理的電費單價的計算原則向房東來公開這個費用來收取這個依據我期待部長這個因為你說次長沒跟你報告有沒有這個我們把它解決掉啦我覺得對年輕朋友那些租屋主來講才公平啊 |
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是,委員你提的這兩點意見基本上我覺得是合理那我們應該是可以在這個定型化契約裡面來做這個把它綠定我想這個對於整個的一個規範應該是有幫助的是,我覺得應該去貫徹的地方就是說阿不然我做房東我幫你帶電我就用這麼多而已我創造好之後我做好這個房子我給他連電又給他賺一條是,變相加價了是 |
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好部長這一點一定要把他努力把他完成了好不好是好謝謝好謝謝部長謝謝莊委員接下來請江啟臣委員質詢好請這個召委要請內政部長還有原民會主委林部長一將主委請 |
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兩位好我想時間有限主要今天就針對這個土地問題土地問題應該都跟兩個部位有關大家知道這個早期臺灣的這些早一點的農民、祖先等等在山地上開墾但後來因為有些土地又列為林保地、原保地特別是像原保地這些 |
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所以其實他們一路在訴求這個土地的權利不管是使用權或所有權這部分其實訴求很久那本行因為我的這個選區當中有不少都屬於這部分的這樣子的土地也很困擾那過去不管是內政部、監察院、原民會其實你們都知道這個問題或許我不曉得部長你了不了解但主委應該了解才對 |
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那2010年的時候內政部曾經針對這個是否要放寬這個還我土地計畫這件事情有開會也有一些決議但後來不了了之那2021年7月今天財運就直接糾正內政部關於這件事情就是說應該要有效的去處理 |
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那針對這個糾正案內政部當初認為說這不是我管轄的然後應該是有國有差案署又涉及到元寶地所以應該屬於原住民委員會不管怎麼樣到現在沒有處理啦所以這些人也只能抗爭也只能陳情也只能無奈因為 |
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當然有一些人或許他不是真的在耕作那大部分有不少人他是真的祖宗八大這樣子下來他就在那塊土地上面耕作可是他面臨到什麼他面臨到說使用權、所有權可能通通沒辦法那或許有一些你們說我來修法讓你去租用但是包括這一塊到現在我也沒有看到任何的處理進度 |
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所以導致這些人也只能不斷的抗爭不斷的陳情那有一些都已經好幾代了從他的阿公、爸爸到他現在這個產權各方面都還是不明的所以我想請教兩位就是說這到底是誰的事情如果涉及到這麼多部會的事情那為什麼行政院沒有一個政務委員出來協調勒 |
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然後就放任這個事情在那裡然後你們面對監察院的糾正也不理啊這是2020、2021年的監察院7月份給你們糾正啊你們有處理嗎現在已經2023年了委員你提的是元寶地的問題對啊就是這一些元墾農他們的訴求嘛他們最早的訴求就是還我土地嘛對不對不要讓這個事情變成是 |
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漢人跟原住民之間的變成這樣子的一個衝突不應該是這樣子他有他的歷史背景可是也不能因為過去的歷史到現在很複雜就把它丟著我想這也是為什麼監察院會去糾正你們的原因你們沒有處理就放任他在那邊拿到那個 |
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主委你沒有你沒有接受接受過這些陳情嗎跟委員報告原住民保留地非原住民是有可以有陳租錢那因為目前山坡地保育利用條例它是明定 |
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原住民保留地的所有錢遺傳是以原住民為限所以一般非原民的部分他的使用錢就是承租錢是還是可以的承租錢也不完整也不是大家都可以承租有一些他直接面臨收回 |
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有些個案是因為我們現在所遇到的有些是直接要求收回他也不再承諸所以原民會之前我找來協調的時候我也找了原民會、民務局、內政部、國務參院都開過協調會啦太多次了我擔任快12年的立委這個議題不要困擾我們多久到現在你們沒有一個單位有那樣子的承擔補充報告這一點就是 |
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你們說要修那個原開條例嘛特別提到那個白毛臺的那個案例不只白毛臺 太多了 包括和平地區以這個案例來講的話我們現在就是因為我們行政院版的原住民保留地開發管理條例的那個案子現在目前已經在立法院了所以就要解決這些問題但是有沒有 就前幾天是不是有院長來協調啊有協商啊 也沒有共識啊也沒有共識啊 所以這問題就代表這個會議也不可能有結果啦 |
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那行政部門你們的勇氣到底在哪裡?你們的承擔到底在哪裡?我們會願意把條例送到立法院就是要解決這些問題這些不完全是立法院的事情如果你們行政部門沒有辦法把這些事情做釐清也不願意去承擔這些責任的話你在立法院怎麼可能談得出共識?不可能有共識的每一個立委代表的都是不同的族群你怎麼有共識? |
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對不對那你政府的行政責任在哪裡你們行政責任就是解決問題你要擔起來啊你們到底要怎麼做啊對不對你說可以有成豬也不見得大家都可以成豬喔有些不能成豬的是因為他是超限利用才不能成豬的超限利用歸超限利用大部分案例是超限利用我現在講的是都是幾十年來人家就在那邊開墾的甚至早期都還是政府鼓勵開墾的 |
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結果他現在可能連一個農民身份都拿不到為什麼?因為土地問題要嘛沒有所有權要嘛沒有承租權沒有契約那現在如果要重新打契約的時候一堆新的規定又來了反正就是感覺就是說你們趕快走了不要在這邊耕作了啦我土地要收回啦這就是我的原住民保留地這就是我的林保地我就不讓你們耕作了太多了遇到太多這樣子的個案了 |
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這些個案過去也曾經被逼到被逼到自殺的也不是沒有啊我也處理過啊所以才會有監察院這個糾正案嘛難道這個在糾正立法院嗎這糾正你們欸怎麼會反過來糾...來...你來跟我們講說欸躺在立法院這根本是標準的卸責啊 |
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拖了多少年了那這些人如果啊主委主委你講話小心一點我可以講你們站在這個問題處理的立場上面如果還是這麼壓霸的態度的話你就是讓這些人不斷的抗議對不對 |
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法律案的問題是在協商的過程裡面沒辦法達成共識然後行政部門你們又挑起了什麼責任勒難道這個財安署要糾正我們喔是糾正你們勒你糾正你內政部你內政部又推給什麼 原民會又推給國有財安署沒有答案啊到現在沒有啊不然你告訴我嘛 怎麼解決嘛 |
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這些人的抗爭這些人的訴求你告訴我怎麼解決我是一個民意代表我不是行政官員我也不是部長我能做的事情就是幫他們表達他們的訴求他們的意見他們的想法他們就是想要工作他們就是想要合法的在那邊這個組裝商在那邊勿攏他能不能在那邊勿攏下去嗎 |
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你不能把所有的人都打都一竿子打翻所有人好像他們通通都是不法的其實有很多人他也是合法在那邊啊很多的案例都是取得層出權對不對會後也可以給委員做參考有一些有但有一些沒有不然不會不然不會有那麼多人他拿不到農保他甚至在天然災害受到影響的時候政府的補助他也沒有資格拿為什麼因為 |
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他沒有身份這裡面還涉及到很多其他的問題啦原案之間這我不要講可是我要跟你講的就是真正在那邊耕作的人他不見得有土地的使用權跟所有權過去因為政府沒有沒有一個法制化的管理所以造成這些土地因為被劃歸原住民保留地所以只有原住民才能夠有所有權對不對但是這些土地能不能賣 |
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你們的規定是怎麼樣你自己也很清楚可是中間呢就透過很多私人的這些他們的不管是租啦賣啦這些等等的然後也沒有去管理然後就最後造成真正在這上面種種果樹的啦 務農的啦他也沒有農民身份他也沒有辦法拿到農保相關的農業補助他也拿不到 為什麼因為土地身份沒有得到 |
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沒有得到證明沒有得到法律上面的一個合法的保障所以這是土地衍生出來它的身份問題我在這邊只是要求你們趕快解決這個問題而不是要你來這邊推卸責任那你難道你修了那個法這個問題就解決了嗎還有在這修法過程裡面你們所有的委員難道對這個問題能夠有共識嗎因為每個人背後所代表的 |
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不要說什麼,連族群的利益都不見得一樣所以這就是有賴你行政部門你們要去看法規上怎麼處理能夠得到最圓滿的解決嘛我們要求的就是這樣子而已啊所以你不要在這邊推卸責任啦沒有推卸責任啦那你就回去看怎麼要面對這些抗爭啊我們會把條例送到大院就是不是推卸責任好,那你告訴我嘛現在也沒有辦法解決啊你那個什麼條例也沒辦法解決啊的確就是沒有共識啊 |
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那沒有共識不是尊重大院你要去處理那些問題啦不是尊重大院阿不然要這個政府幹嘛對不對你如果這個政府沒辦法解決問題要這個政府幹嘛阿政府就是要處理問題的阿不能因為他複雜阿就不處理阿所以你也答不出來 |
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好接下來我們請由玉蘭召委質詢謝謝主席我請林部長、黃明昭署長以及黃某信次長部長、署長、次長三位好 |
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我看到一個擇新我看得蠻難過的因為去年8月發生的台南殺警案有這個叫做師大數學哥的他是在我們曹蕙潔跟童明成被殺了之後他在宣說台灣九城警察都是垃圾廢物 |
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然後臺南市警察局這個第二分局就調查之後就函送新北地檢署偵辦但是新北地檢署做出不起訴的處分然後家屬申請再議也被駁回了結果駁回之後他就更囂張了就一副就是 |
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好像是司法已經給他背書了然後就說他說兩個警察死了都是言論自由部長跟署長你們作為警察的大家長你們對這樣子的言論自由你能夠接受嗎我看到了台南市黃偉哲市長出來踏法了但是我想聽你的聲音我想這樣子當然的這樣子的一個言論當然是不當的 |
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是不當的。」署長有沒有更積極的做法?我想他這個言論我們真的深感不妥而且非常的不高興 |
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我做了一些研究我們辦公室我本來今天想要去按鈴申告我覺得他還有心事證可是因為兩位當事人土民城跟曹俊傑都已經都已經過世了曹睿傑都過世了所以只能夠由家屬我們署裡面有一個這個訴訟的這個基金我希望署長 |
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我們要用我們的這個基金來支持支持兩位犧牲的同仁能夠幫他們贏回這個公道部長跟署長可不可以做得到可不可以答應做得到是 |
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我這個家屬就已經提起我由律師提起注釋那制式的部分那個費用律師的費用我們警政署會全力來支持是但是我也很希望很希望部長跟署長今天就發布一個強硬的這個聲明不要看到只有這個黃 |
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黃偉哲黃市長在那邊替警察講話不過兩位可以請回座我要問一下我要問一下我們這個黃市長市長 |
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為什麼新北地檢署會這樣馬上就給他做一個不起訴因為我今天看到這個新聞他說去年台北市大同分局的同仁因為去處理家暴的時候被當事人放狗出來咬警察但是我覺得 |
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這個檢察官至少讓我覺得還有一點還有一點點這個智慧至少是要讓當事人要認罪和解才能夠獲得還起訴 |
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我們新北地檢署就這樣子很輕率的就完全沒有顧慮到警察當時是冒著生命危險而且這個問題一開始就是我們法務部矯正署在外遺間條例上面的有一些疏失我們居然都沒有一種夥伴的護庭的這樣子至少要做到讓他們認罪嘛市長你覺得嗎 |
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跟我們報告,我們剛剛提那一個新北地檢署那個個案,他整個的,雖然檢察官做了不起訴處分,台灣高檢署也駁回了這個在意的程序,但整個救濟程序其實還沒走完,那現在申請准許提起自訴的程序,所以那個案的狀況會怎麼樣,還要整個訴訟程序進行,還在進行當中? |
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市長因為您跟警察合作也很久了我很希望你不要讓我們其他的這個檢察官都變成法將完全沒有辦法同理我們整個團隊在這邊所做的犧牲奉獻可不可以回去也加強一下我們檢察官們的這個在職訓練一下好嗎事實上檢察官的在職訓練我們不斷的在進行是好請回來接下來我要請州選會的李竺瑋 |
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主委您這段時間也辛苦了不過本會在今年上半年通過的選罷法包括我們執政黨的莊瑞雄委員他都認為這裡面是有一些有一些這個 |
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好像侵害人權之虞。」他自己都這麼認為我們公開都談過的就是未來都要申請釋憲的我們工作人員的選辦法剛剛因為陳以信委員已經跟你討教過了生效的時間是 |
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是今年的6月6月嘛 對不對但是我們這個王家珍就台南的這個候選人王家珍他涉及的偽造文書案法院是在什麼時候宣判緩刑 您知道嗎 |
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確實的時間我並不清楚沒關係是今年3月啦今年3月所以王家珍其實剛剛那個陳以信也提過了他沒有辦法預見他這個選擇他的選擇不管是選擇一顆髮型一顆髮型馬上就執行完畢了跟他選擇緩刑會有這樣天差地別甚至於影響到他在憲法保障的一個參政權所以 |
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所以我們當然也想要了解一下我們州選會他如果在這個案子上面你們會有怎麼樣的態度呢 |
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處理上對於他的身份具不具備候選人資格的能不能預知一下謝謝委員我想我們審查候選人的消極資格那當然是影響非常重大的到底這個候選人有沒有參與選舉的資格這個不是說我們能夠有什麼裁量而是完全必須要嚴格的遵守選罷法的規定 |
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那選報法關於消極資格最主要規定的條文就在26條根據26條第9款的規定就是你雖然所犯的罪不是一款到六款一款到六款以外的罪但是已經經過法院的判決有期徒刑以上的刑確定了那被宣告緩刑 |
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或者還沒有執行執行未必行刑權消滅時效等等的情況之下他就不具備參選的資格所以你認為他是不具備參選資格我只是在重複法律的規定是法律規定但是我們如果看到這個法很明顯的有違憲之餘的話難道我們行政機關按照我們釋字的第一 |
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525號其實我們行政機關是有義務來做一些解釋或者一個裁量不是嗎我們選務機關是依法行政辦理選務完全是要有法律的根據尤其選舉是競爭非常激烈的一個政治的活動所以我們必須要嚴格的遵守法律的規定不能有任何的閃失 |
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主委因為您當過法官在這方面你是專業的法律人就我一個半桶水的我都會認為說法律上面應該要有一個信賴保護原則的那在這部分當然我剛剛聽到您的確也講了說你們12月15號會有委員會來做決定要審定對不對 |
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但是你開口閉口都是要以現行的法律的規定依法來審定 |
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主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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包括上下客、貨、違規、臨停以及騎樓停車都規定要祭典但是因為計程車貨運駕駛的陳情交通部在11月9日宣布暫緩實施交通違規祭典 |
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也就是說當你們如果看到的看到說這個非常明顯的這是可能侵害我們國人的一個參政權有違憲之餘而且可能他現在也要申請但是要申請釋憲可能需要法官我們看到王家珍他已經在申請他的司法救濟了我覺得我覺得 |
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中選會在有這麼明確的這個違憲之餘的時候你們在15日的這個委員會應該要考慮大法官解釋的意旨 |
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要保障人權最簡單的且不違憲違法的做法就是你們透過職權解釋法律認定基於不溯及既往以及信賴保護原則凡是所有在新法生效日前就已經宣告緩刑仍在進行中者應該還是要承認他具有參選的資格 |
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各方的意見我們在委員會裡面都會充分的討論都會充分討論都會充分討論但是最終最終我們就是嚴格遵照法律的規定是 但是本席剛剛也已經跟您提出來了交通部對於我們現行剛剛修過的法律他們覺得中間有不愛難行嘛所以我就知道因為您會說經過法律的授權有定定實施的日期 |
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他已經定定是6月31日開始我們並沒有我們的選罷法並沒有這個規定他6月31日已經在施行中他都還可以暫緩了那我們這個中選會仍然就是執意的就用這樣子我不是執意我守法 |
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但是我們法律上面其實如果違反憲法的話我覺得憲法應該要高於法律之上所以在這部分本身還是覺得非常可惜因為我不希望我不希望是人家還是會去惡意的去解讀說中選會是成為政治的工具因為我知道大家都很努力我想這個嚴重的誤會 |
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還是請你們能夠恪守恪守這個法律授予你們這個行政材料也好或者是在解釋上面的權利那切記我們在那個事件的525謝謝委員好 謝謝 |
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接下來請李德維委員質詢好謝謝主席主席麻煩內政部林部長、中選會李主委今天法務部是黃長赤嗎還是黃長赤好那就麻煩 |
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林部長、李主委、黃承次是委員好好來部長請教一下當然我們正副總統選舉辦理法20條規定在中華民國自由地區連續居住6個月以上而且涉及15年以上的選舉人年滿40歲可以成為總統副總統的候選人請教一下 |
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這個部分當然內政部或者是中選會可以回答一下我們現在執政黨的副總統參選人蕭美琴女士她何時在台灣涉及的我們先不談國籍我們講戶籍先講戶籍你們有資料嗎請護證師來回答好護證師報告委員我們有查過他的戶籍資料他是 |
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好來91年註冊戶籍所以在91年以前他在中華民國台灣地區是沒有戶籍的是這個意思嗎對不對 |
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按照移民法的規定具有中華民國國籍的人他有兩種身份一個是有戶籍的國民一種是無戶籍的國民所以他真正申請戶籍是2002年對不對所以在2002年以前他沒有申請過那可不可以請教按照我們蕭副總統參選人的字數裡面他已經講到一個問題 |
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他說他為了要申請中華民國的國籍不管是國籍或戶籍幾乎跑斷腿可不可以請教一下在這個部分裡面今天外交部是不是又來到底是既然現在內政部說他自然就有國籍那為什麼他會因為申請國籍而跑斷腿請問內政部有沒有調查或者外交部當時誰拒絕了他 |
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因為我們在這部分裡面我們可以看到1993年民國82年蕭美琴女士就擔任呂秀蓮辦公室的實習助理在1995年就民國84年開始是民主進步黨駐美代表處的執行長到1996年開始是民進黨中央黨部國際事務部的副主任 |
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應該這樣講他當時都沒有申請中華民國台灣的戶籍雖然你說他有國籍但是他都沒有申請好重點來了他說他申請國籍不管國籍或戶籍他現在2002他申請了戶籍因為你說他有國籍本期想請教的是在這裡面到底是哪個單位讓他跑斷腿是你外交部不願意辦 |
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還是內政部要負責還是台北市哪個互證事務所拒絕他可以講出來嗎要不要講來 |
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我想不是很清楚那個時候這個蕭瑋琴女士她辦所謂的這些相關的這個問題不曉得那個情境是怎麼樣子不過這個跟她的國旗基本上是這個我們在法律上基本上是沒有關係來部長我知道你當然會這樣回答 |
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但是現在蕭美琴女士既然講她當時為了不管是戶籍或國籍啦她是跑斷腿了所以本席現在要求內政部也好外交部也好好好的去清查到底當時是誰讓她跑斷腿既然她有國籍為什麼不能申請戶籍 |
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或者為什麼他沒有申請戶籍那當然是他的問題但重點是他講了他跑斷腿最後他是要想要國籍來參選立委這是他講的所以這個部分來馬來西亞部長我知道你現在答不出來但是可不可以請您帶回去瞭解一下 |
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當時他為什麼需要跑斷腿甚至於參選立法委員才能夠來申請戶籍所以他特別講喔您可以去看他說他2002他當選了立委然後他非常開心的去放棄美國籍申請中華民國的國籍他認為他終於回家了好 這也不重要因為你們現在講的是他申請了戶籍他本來就有國籍重點 |
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一句話就是當時到底是哪個單位讓他這個有國籍的人不能申請或者讓他跑斷腿去申請戶籍這個政績只能要嘴久 |
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我想這個這麼多年來應該我們的互證機關或者相關機關的服務應該是增進了不過你剛剛提到那個跟國籍其實基本上沒有沒有關係第二個申請戶籍那個時候其實就是到他戶籍要申請的所在地的這個互證機關去做申請所以這個部分拜託內政部還有互證師可以去了解一下 |
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當時這2002年以前我們當時的小美琴女士她跑斷腿去申請但是不得其門而入到底發生了什麼事您可以去調查嗎?願意嗎?不過委員會跟你報告這個應該跟因為來來來我講這個非常非常重要部長部長我講這個非常重要為什麼?因為這個牽扯到所有以後在國外出生的 |
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中華民國國民來申請戶籍他要需要跑斷腿跟蕭美琴一樣的話本席不能接受這不是蕭美琴一個人的問題是所有人的問題 |
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他31歲以前他沒有申請中華民國的戶籍你雖然說他有他自然就是中華民國有他的國籍但他沒有申請所以他沒有身分證他沒有中華民國的護照這一點外交部是不是因為你沒有戶籍但是應該是沒有中華民國的護照吧所以這個部分裡面不只是他一個人的問題我們現在希望保障的是所有中華民國的國民以後在國外出生 |
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他都不需要跑斷腿來申請戶籍岡委報告現在我們所有的戶政機關現在都已經全國連線所以現在你不需要跑到這個所謂的所在地其實在任何一個戶政機關透過我們相關的一個申請程序當然如果是國外回來的話 |
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還要經過我們移民機關那現在因為全部都已經全部所有的戶所都全部連線了那以前是並沒有所以這一點跟你做說明好 了解來 謝謝部長 |
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那另外再請教一下來這個法務部長請教一下按照緩刑制度的立法理由說明是惡性輕微的被告或偶發犯出犯改過自新而設而且憲法法庭也解釋臺灣高等法院108年度抗治第890號的裁定要旨也認為緩刑是一個寬點 |
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請問次長 這是寬點 被告也就是受刑人能夠主動放棄緩刑嗎 |
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公務員辦法這是個判決他沒有辦法放棄的問題公務員辦法26條原來規定這些相關您都一定非常清楚但是最後一句話但受緩刑宣告者不在此限那今年當然這個我們立法院做相關的這個修訂行政院提出來的這個部分今年6月工作人員辦法修正所以在這個部分裡面 |
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當然在緩刑期間或者是刑刑權因失效的消滅不得登記為候選人請到次長受緩刑不得參選這個在憲法保障我們剛剛前面講到的東西這個人民的參政權您覺得有疑義嗎我們當然今天不只是王家珍這個案 |
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各位報告因為這個不是選務不是法務部主管而且這個法規也不是本部主管法規那本部當然尊重主管機關及立法的形成所以這部分本部沒有辦法有所評論那本市有一個問題 |
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法務部在這部分願意去研究它的釋法性是不是願意來提出來相關大法官來釋憲法務部的立場跟我們報告這個主管法規的主管機關他如果有異議的話按照我們憲法送人法他是有權利可以做相關的權利當然主管機關是中選會 |
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有法律上的意見本部當作全中華民國的法律意見主管機關我們可以提供相關的意見諮詢這是沒有問題所以這個部分當然也請法務部來研究一下好不好來主委請教一下要不然來換市長請教主委好了主委這個部分您覺得勒有沒有必要大法官再來研究一下 |
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中選會的立場我們在候選人資格審定的時候完全是根據選罷法的規定來辦理但是你們也是當時修法的主管機關嘛這個條文其實當時在這個地方 |
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這樣講不好意思不只我們國民黨其實民進黨也有很多意見但到後來朝野協商全部被一腳踹翻回到原點按照行政院版本就全部回來了但現在的確發生了問題所以中選會基於主管機關的這一個部分願不願意來思考可以請大法官再來做解釋因為現在是受緩刑的問題 |
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我們作為這個選罷法的執行機關是按照大院所通過的選罷法的規定嚴格的來執行是好來主委您自己也法律人 |
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犯下各式各樣的重罪執行以後都可以參選但是現在的輕罪連緩刑就是所謂的寬點都不能參選這真的其實在公平正義上真的有一些問題所以本席真的建議要來救濟最後一個問題來不好意思因為時間到了最後一個問題 |
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那個高雄市政風處在茶會的時候當然現在有舉報啊就是劉秀鳳理事長甲介舉辦七十大之後民意為這個總統參選來助選啊那請教法務部好了這個法務部 |
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市長有這件事嗎?你們有接到相關的情資嗎?跟我們報告那政風處他我們檢察官在查查會選的時候是民眾的檢舉告發也好或來自政府部門的相關的說證也好他都會匯集到我們檢察機關來做一個請示的研判嗯 |
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好所以這件事情當然現在媒體也有報導的不小那所以高雄市增豐處真的有有這相關的一個情資是這個意思嗎那事實上高雄地檢營就這個情資他也分案在處理了在處理了是好當然在這部分裡面這個市長您也當然這 |
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檢察官的權責但是在這部分裡面當然各個政黨尤其是政黨的立委其實也在相關參與宴會的現身所以在這部分裡面當然請這個這個真的要好好的來做調查千萬不要我們當然勿枉勿縱但是也不要讓人覺得 |
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這裡面有什麼因人而異或者因政黨而異的事情發生我覺得都是大家不樂見我不會那檢察官會按照收集來請示他再做自己個案再做研判好 了解 謝謝謝謝主席謝謝接下來請吳立華委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席,有請中選會、原民會、法務部,謝謝李主委、宜將主委,還有林部長請法務部,不好意思,林部長不用,黃次長請委員好 |
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好 主委好今天內政委員會特別安排行政中立的專報我們也都知道公務人員行政中立法的主管機關應該是在權序部那因為今天也沒有來備訓所以我就大概問我們三個部會那首先我想要請教一下中選會李主委請您看一下 |
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因為在上上個禮拜同樣的時間同樣的地點在我質詢之後聽說有幾位委員就原民會辦的一個叫文化健康站的實施計畫到底有沒有行政中立的問題做了一番質詢討論所以我在這邊請教一下李主委 |
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這個文件站它的主辦機關是原民會承辦的機關是縣市政府協辦區公所、鄉公所那麼執行的單位其實是原民團體也就是所謂的協會那這個協會呢它會聘僱一些人員就是所謂的造福人員好 那我請教一下李主委這一些被聘僱的造福員 |
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他們適用或準用公務人員行政中立法嗎?跟委員報告中選會針對我們選務工作人員行政中立我們是由所以我說今天選區部門來的對於其他機關的人員這部分因為不是我們執掌範圍之內我們尊重全職機關的處理 |
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好來那請教一下原民會主委請教主委齁文件站的造福員適用或准用公務人員行政中立法嗎 |
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因為趙輔演是正如剛剛委員所提到的他是文件站執行單位禁用的人員所以對顏明慧來講這個不是機關的聘用人員他是一個民間人員因為有人很關心一而再再而三的諮詢所以我也知道你們在有委員質詢關心之後呢今年的9月以及上一次質詢完的隔天隔一個禮拜你們也兩度 |
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發函給縣市政府以及文件站。」我看到你們裡面的這些內容今天在專報裡面也有寫到就是希望說避免於開站的期間為特定公職候選人公開站開或協助拜票 |
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也不應以文件站的名義帶長者去做候選人的競選活動然後非上班時間你們也要求應避免穿著文件站的背心去參加這些活動好 那我請教一下既然有人關心我相信你們應該有去查了有沒有查有沒有查上次提到的那種情形 |
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這如剛剛委員提到就是我們已經兩度發函9月13號跟11月28號按照相關的法律的規範那有沒有去查因為我記得那位委員他有要求要查目前我們沒有收到任何的案子所以沒有查到沒有查到沒有查到那我們來看一下因為我是不會做這種事雖然我被指控但是我們看一下一段影片因為這是公開的影片 |
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就是那一位委員主委這是文健站吧他帶著另外一位平地原住民候選人也公開穿著他候選人背心 |
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他說我要選立委了我都是到文健站各地去報票這是他說出來的話我們再看下一個都是他質詢前的一個禮拜好 |
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我要說的是我們也沒有人特別去在意這件事為什麼因為關懷長者我們也很高興而且真的要去追究他是不是公務人員行政中立法說實在你們也回答不出來也沒有辦法就辦那有沒有違反你們一而再再而三講的規定好 真的違反 |
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我相信你們的做法也就是進行糾舉之後有可能這個協會可能就列入不適合的辦理單位好但是我要說的是多少年來像我們繼續看這是去年扶植的這些候選人你看 |
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大每一個文件站發快篩長年每月去發物資我們也都沒有人為什麼去講這個不會去指責因為關心老人家嘛好事嘛雖然我沒有這個能耐能力沒有這個財力廣潔善言但是我也是祝福啊 |
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因為多一點人去關心老人是好事啊但是我覺得不能因為在很多的縣市暢行無阻就因為在某個縣市我就直接講了因為他也直接講了屏東縣政府要求文件在員工輔選在國會殿堂直接點名因為沒有辦法在這個縣暢行無阻 |
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| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
然後還指控直接說伍麗華跟這些員工說不支持我你們就離開就沒有工作更糟糕的是還製作影片散佈你們怎麼會容許這些行為 |
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我請教一下因為他有要求調查有沒有跟屏東縣政府調查啊有沒有掌握到有沒有人指控我不支持就離開就跟各位剛才我講過就是到目前為止沒有收到任何要求調查的案子是因為是沒有的我是我的個性大家都知道我也敢拍胸脯保證我是很客氣的人 |
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我們知道分寸在哪裡我不會幹這些事所以今天的備詢沒有邀請到行政中立法的主管、機關、權序部所以我覺得也沒有辦法充分討論但是最起碼我想說的是文健站的這些造福員、工作人員他不是公務人員他享有參與政治及言論的表意自由 |
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這樣子去胡亂指控真的要嘛還做影片後製散布要不然他的意圖就是意圖使某人不當選要不然就是意圖使那一些族人不敢發聲 |
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我不太曉得說我們是民主自由的法治國家然後一再的在國會殿堂上演這種荒唐的戲碼還要指派議員在地方的議會也要去做這樣的諮詢我覺得原民會作為原住民事務的主管機關我覺得這個部分你們也要拿出態度那我其實想要藉這個機會只是讓那些開始害怕的族人知道 |
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我們的行政中立法是規範適用的是我們的公務員跟這些準用的公務員並且他有他的強度不是一般的人民啊 |
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憲法保障我們很多的自由我們也有參政權、選舉權即便是一般的公務人員他也有參與政治的權利他也有表意的自由我覺得不需要做到這個樣子那我們很多的族人非常的傷心非常的難過非常的害怕不應該是這個樣子所以我在這個地方那既然是公務人員我們就來講好了我們來看一些真正的公務人員這個都是新聞隨便抓的 |
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有一個市長他參加某個市府的官方活動公開說自己正在參選總統還發表選舉的語言請問一下我要問誰啊法務部有無違法 |
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有提的違法是指違反行政中立法還是指為什麼各種法那行政中立法的話那就是不是本部所主管的法規所以今天就不叫行政中立的主管機關我就不懂啊我們要討論這個法結果主管機關就沒有來我就不知道怎麼問啊 |
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對那如果說這是有沒有違反選罷法相關的刑罰的規定倒是個案要去判斷啦那刑罰的部分倒是法務部主管機關沒有錯那刑罰假官他就這個個案他應該會去處理好像這個案例里長出面用里民聚會的名義去借場地結果最後是辦候選人的候議員大會有沒有違法委員提的還是行政中立的問題 |
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那問中選會主委他是選務工作他不是我們的選務工作人員里長他不是所以就問不出來嗎要找全序部來是嗎其他權責機關那再講一個好了那參加官方的活動然後呢搭配當選的歌曲然後在那個地方大家公務人員配合喊動算動算有沒有違反 |
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大家都沒有辦法因為都不是主管機關原民會今天我們有審查原住民族工作權保障法這個目的我自己的版本就是希望增加就業的機會讓更多的人受益所以我們希望去修不要限於約聘僱五類人員那個太低了我請教一下我們希望開放所有的職缺請教一下原民會可不可行 |
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這個是我們目前送代驗的一個版本就是希望我們今天能不能禁用的部分不應該只限業務人員這樣的話沒有辦法提升我們的這個收入啦因為業務人員一般的收入比較低嘛我們希望有更好的這個保障讓原住民在公部門可以工作好謝謝齁那我們都很期待今天能不能出委員會 |
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希望大院支持行政院的版本那如果這個法案修法通過之後大約可以增加多少的工作機會以目前行政院的版本的話可以再增加一萬三千多個工作機會那以我們原住民的人口數來講應該是用不完吧還是不夠可以充分讓原住民在 |
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公部門的就業的職務類型不是只有大部分都停留在業故人員這個地方不是只有機工工友可以在很多的各部會各地方政府裡面有更好的一個升遷的機會好 謝謝那我也想要請教一下今天要審查原住民身份法再給我一分鐘請教一下原民會因為這次憲法法庭判決出來我們也必須在這個時候去做出修法 |
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這個關於原母漢父我看我們的版本也都同意了就是冠漢人父親的姓氏再加原住民的名字對不對這個以前我們無法想像的也都通過了所以我想要請教您一下因為原住民身份法它連動的就是姓名條例 |
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那這個姓名條例當然主管機關是內政部可是我想要先問一下園民會你同不同意單列原住民左雲在原住民族語言發展法裡面我們已經有原住民族文字是啊是啊既然我們是國家的語言是可以單列 |
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對嘛大家都這麼認為嘛國家語言發展法都出來了承認我們的文字也是文字那麼請教一下內政部齁因為我一直在講過去質詢的時候說原住民身份條例跟姓名條例齁原住民身份法跟姓名條例兩個法應該是沒有辦法脫鉤啦因為是連動我們會被影響所以我想要請教一下好最後最後齁 |
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那最後這個就是姓名條例第二條我在第三會期就已經提出修法版本我希望用臺灣原住民的傳統姓名得使用羅馬拼音或原住民族文字登記不受前兩項的限制那不曉得內政部怎麼樣今天也有排這個 |
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加修法再來談好不好那我就是問一下態度跟委員報告這個行政院他已經決議朝單列羅馬拼音的方式進行但是後續還要進行下一段的溝通協調那等行政院整個政策拍板定案之後我就是要這個答案行政院已經同意單列了對不對好感謝謝謝部長謝謝主委謝謝部長謝謝 |
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邱承遠委員不在陳婉蕙委員不在陳亭飛委員不在劉世芳委員不在楊瓊英委員不在林文瑞委員不在廖婉如委員不在現在請陳焦華委員質詢 |
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謝謝召委請內政部長林部長請委員好部長好部長我今天還是跟上次有質詢過的一個議題要來請教部長就是有關我們土地建界 |
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那土地間界的話呢有一個案子因為已經訴訟然後有超過10年就是竹北的一個地震的案子那這個案子呢後來在上上禮拜兼委兼委有跟本席來 |
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當面有跟他說明說明之後其中一個很主要的爭議就是在陳青仁蓋房子前到底有沒有見解那你看到這個圖是 |
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房子蓋好之後去做保存登記的見解做保存登記的見解新建之前有沒有見解因為地政這邊給法院的資料是蓋房子之前沒有見解但是提出的一些資料監委看了以後有蓋房子之前 |
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包括有90年的間接資料還有這個91年的間接資料那這些資料就是怎麼講呢我要跟部長詢問的因為現在給法院的證據也是地政給的然後呢如果地政這邊有不當的這個證詞好像 |
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部長你現在看到這個案子就是竹北地震一直告訴法院說當事人沒有見解但是在蓋房子之前有90年有89年都有見解資料然後跟蓋好房子的92年的見解資料都一樣那因為就是如果地震沒有給法院正確的資料包括沒有給 |
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監察院正確的資料導致我們澄清人的權益受損那內政部我們現在的機制土地建界的機制重測或者是圖解、數值化這些問題都很容易造成爭議所以就會訴訟所以本席接到非常多的澄清案例那我是想問部長這個要怎麼來解決 |
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假如地政機單位求援兼裁判然後錯誤的證詞會讓我們澄清人的權益嚴重受損那我剛剛講的這個案子的確就是的確就是因為澄清人房子面臨被拆嘛那現在監察院監委願意重新調查所以本席是認為 |
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當一個受害者他沒有能力去表達正確的資訊還有地政機關不願意提供資料的時候這個間接是會造成很多不幸比如說重測之後整個地界改了然後重測的時候沒有通知多數的人去止戒 |
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而是由地政機關去協助紫界的時候的確很多地界都被改了那被改的時候有些人地就多了有些人地就少了那爭議就一直產生然後就是法院訴訟就案子這種案子就變了很多那我要講說這樣子的情況我們在紫界的時候要怎麼去修正去檢討這個問題 |
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非常謝謝委員因為這個個案我不是非常的清楚不過第幾上面的一個偏差是的確是有的因為這個技術的因素或者這個年代登記的這個因素 |
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這個狀況是有的那不過你剛剛特別提到這個球員兼裁判或是說我們的地政人員他不願意提供正確的資料這個應該是不容許的我們地政人員應該是必須要提供正確的資料才對 |
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不過你剛剛提到的有好幾個問題包括說他之前是不是有間接然後之後是有偏移的狀況這可能都會分涉到不同層次的問題 |
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那部長你剛剛說的是不允許那如果說我們怎麼樣有一個防避的機制畢竟建界也是地政機關法院作證也是地政機關那他當然不會承認他有任何疏失還有剛剛說的紙借的部分紙借的部分現在很多數像彰化就有一個案例二水那邊 |
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第16任總統選舉委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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去敷衍、去閃躲不願意面對事實那另外在重測的時候怎麼去修這個相關的作業指引或者是辦法就是你的指界應該至少要一半以上 |
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那你才能夠進行重測不然你這樣的重測結果等於會造成另外一個大災難是 謝謝委員我想那個地震的測量還有它的指界其實我們地震機關都有相關規定因為地震師沒有到我知道我是不是我也再請地震師再跟你做報告那另外你剛剛特別提到說是不是有相關的一個規定或者是說指引需要來做修正 |
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羅明財、羅明財委員不在 |
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登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢,詢答結束委員林文瑞、陳婉蕙、邱承元所提書面質詢列入記錄、刊登公報書面質詢及位及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會專題報告詢答結束只與該報告有關的人員可以先席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
13994.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
先行離席我們現在休息30分鐘用餐休息後繼續開會審查法案 |
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全國各地各地各地各地各地各地各地各地 |
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不用 那還有一份啊一個是工作那前面還有兩份 |
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16267.182 |
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16279.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
報告委員會現在進行法案審查原住民身份法審查原住民身份法請先讀討論事項一所有條文請先讀 |
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本月內政委員會於111年5月9日召開第10屆第5會期第16次全體委員會議審查委員鄭天才等16人提案及委員劉兆豪等18人提案該二案之條文以及委員鄭天才修正動議二案及委員廖國棟所提修正動議均已宣讀完畢現在宣讀另外6個案子第一條 |
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第一條行政院提案刪除第二項其餘同線型條文第二條行政院提案同線型條文委員郭國文等16任提案第一項序文在平地原住民後面增訂及評普原住民文字 |
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令增訂第三款文字為三平埔原住民本人或直系血親尊親屬於臺灣光復前緣及在平地行政區域內且戶口調查部登記屬於原住民者增訂第二項及第三項及第四項分別為因前項規定認定原住民身份者其直系血親被親屬因依本法其他規定認定其原住民身份 |
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第一項第三款評普原住民族群身份認定得依其語言、文化、風俗與記憶保存完整性分別認定之第一項第三款評普原住民族權利利益法律定之其餘同性行條文委員張宏祿等20人提案 |
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增訂第一項第三款文字為三、其他原住民舉凡其民族語言習俗傳統等文化特徵至今仍然存續其成員仍維持族群認同且有客觀歷史記錄可記之其他臺灣南島與新民族並經其民族意願申請核定通過者為原住民族增訂第二項文字為前項所稱其他原住民之保障應另以法律定之不是用山地原住民及平地原住民之相關規定其與同線性條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
16392.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
16415.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
行政院提案刪除性行法第3條第3條行政院提案性行法第4條一列必修正為復活母為原住民且符合下列各款規定之一者得申請取得原住民身份一、取用復活母所屬原住民族之傳統名字二、取用漢人姓名必以原住民族文字並列復活母所屬原住民族之傳統名字 |
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16416.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
16429.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
三從具原住民身份之父或母之姓因前項第二款規定取得原住民身份者其子女從其姓者應依同款規定取得原住民身份委員鄭天才等18人提案修正進行第4條 |
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16431.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
16450.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
第2項後段增訂或從未具原住民身份之父或母之姓並列登記傳統名字之羅馬拼音者文字其餘同性性條文委員蔡適應的25人提案修正性行法第4條第1項修正為原住民之子女取得原住民身份第4條 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
16452.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
16474.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
行政院提案新刑法第5條一列並刪除第一項第二項一列第一項並修正為非原住民經年滿40歲且無子女之原住民雙親共同收養且符合下列各款規定者得申請取得原住民身份一被收養時未滿7歲二取用或以原住民族文字並列收養者之一所屬原住民族之傳統名字 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
16475.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
16490.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
會從收養者之一之姓第三項一列第二項並著作文字修正第四項刪除第五條行政院提案性行法第九條一列第一項修正為原住民有項列情形之一者喪失原住民身份 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
16490.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
16515.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
一、一前兩條規定取得原住民身份後應變更姓名、志位符合各該規定二、一前條規定取得原住民身份後終止收養關係三、成年後申請放棄原住民身份四、依本法中華民國110年1月27日修正施行前至第四條第三項規定取得原住民身份未於本法《圈年圈日圈日修正》條文施行之日起算 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
16515.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
16537.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
二年內取用或以原住民族文字並列原住民父母所屬原住民族之傳統名字或從原住民父母之姓第二項修正為依前項第三款規定喪失原住民身份且無同項第一款或第二款規定侵蝕者的申請回復原住民身份其回復以一次為限第三項增列原因款次 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
16539.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
16554.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
委員、成名人等16人提案修正性行法第9條將第一項第三款年滿20歲諸文字修正人年滿18歲其餘同性行條文行政院提案性行法第6條刪除 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
16556.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
16572.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
第6條性行法第7條一列第一項修正為為取得原住民身份當事人得申請取用或以原住民族文字並列原住民族傳統名字或從具原住民身份之父或母之姓當事人未成年時由法定代理人與書面約定申請成年後 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
16573.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
16592.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
依個人意願申請不受民法第1059條第1項第4項、第1078條第1項第2項及姓名條例第1條第2項規定之限制第2項三除,原第3項一列第2項並將前段文字修正為依前項規定申請取得原住民身份除出生登記外 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
16594.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
16613.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
委員蔡氏應的25人提案修正縣刑法第7條第一項將第2條第2項第4條第2項修正為第4條其餘同縣刑條文第7條行政院提案縣刑法第8條一列第一項修正援引條次並著作文字修正第二項刪除 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
16614.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
16630.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
委員蔡適應的25人提案修正《憲刑法》第8條第一項將第4條第二項修正為第4條其餘同憲刑條文第8條行政院提案《憲刑法》第10條亦一列未容未修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
16631.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
16652.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
增訂第8條之一委員鄭天才等18人提案增訂第8條之一文字為符合第2條、第4條或第6條規定取得原住民身份之要件但於申請取得原住民身份前被收養者與收養關係程序中得依第4條、第6條及第7條規定申請取得原住民身份不受民法第1078條規定之限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
16654.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
16671.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
第9條徵定第一項文字為原住民因其父或母之所屬、民族登記其民族別、其原住民族傳統名字或從姓、英語與其登記之民族別相關聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
16672.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
16697.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
先行法第11條第二項一列第二項必修正為前項原住民民族別之認定登記變更及其他相關事項之辦法由中央原住民族主管機關定職第10條行政院提案先行法第11條一列第一項未修正第二項刪除第11條行政院提案先行法第12條一列將前段遺漏文字修正為脫漏後段 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
16698.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
16708.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
為更正之登記修正為為撤銷或更正之登記第12條行政院提案憲憲法第13條一列並修正為本法自公布若施行宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
16723.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
16732.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
本次會議法案審查順序依議程排列之順序進行我們現在開始審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
16813.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
16831.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
好這個原住民身份法這個修正條文好然後那個第一條第一條各位有沒有意見行政院版的第一條沒有啦沒有啦好那個第二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
16838.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
16858.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
第一條照行政院版條文通過有沒有問題沒有好然後第二條這個行政院版還有郭文的還有委員張宏祿就這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
16864.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
16867.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
參考一下看我的條文可不可以啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
16879.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
16892.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
行政院列在第二階段因為這次處理主要是針對第一階段的憲法判決就聽你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
16898.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
16922.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
對第二階段那是第二階段對對那是三年內了好那就照行政院版條文通過那個麥克風這邊這邊都有麥克風你是針對哪一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
16927.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
16949.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
主席、司法院、國安省法官這邊提醒一下就是說第二條部分的話這個部分有經過那個憲判自17號有宣告說這個沒有考慮到其他的原住民的就是其他南島語系的原住民的這樣的一個劃分就是說這個部分可能就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
16950.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
16974.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
第二條目前就行政院是沒有修正那當然憲法法庭的判決指出說這部分要嘛是用修法要嘛是用那個另行立法的方式來處理那所以說這部分不知道說主管機關這邊是不是要用另行立新法的方式來處理其他的原住民別這樣子不是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
16977.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
16993.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
我講一下我講一下可能剛才講得不夠清楚了我現在講憲法判決有兩個對不對今天要處理的就是第一個憲法判決要處理的你剛講的那個第二個判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
16996.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
16998.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
行政院列委第二階段審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
17017.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
17036.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
好好可以好好那就第二條就照行政院提案通過好我們看一下第4頁第4頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
17044.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
17059.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
現行條件是原住民與非原住民結婚除第9條另有規定外原住民身份不上司非原住民不起得原住民身份這個要不要說要不說明一下嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
17066.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
17087.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
那這部分因為我們有關那個原住民身份善施的規定是已經有把它整理成一個條文了所以它原來的這個部分第三條的部分如果說它不符合那個善施原住民身份的條件它當然就不善施所以它其實並到另外一個條文去已經做處理了各位有沒有意見沒有意見都還有現行 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
17089.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
17111.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
現行原住民身份法第3條就刪除就照行政院要刪除行政院版的第3條還有本席鄭天才史拉高照的第4條還有蔡司應等25人提案的第4條 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
17115.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
17133.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
這個部分這個我在質詢的時候有特別提到現行的條文原住民以原住民結婚守身之利取得原住民身份然後第二項原住民以非原住民結婚守身之利 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
17134.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
17161.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
從具原住民身份之父或母之姓或原住民傳統名職者取得原住民身份不是得取得所以這個部分行政院版的第三條的第一項的第二行的字得申請取得原住民身份是不是我們比照這個線型的條文得申請這三個字就不用 |
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17162.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
17170.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
然後這個就這個而已這裡而已嘛是不是也不是用這個這個嘛好因為這個部分這個會跟我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
17176.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
17202.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
憲法的判決跟司法院釋制第28號尤其是憲法的判決有會嚴重的那個……雖然這個手續上是一樣但是在文字上不要被認為說是倒退 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
17203.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
17231.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
所以這個部分我們只是把原來的條文的取得原住民身份維持其他的就照你們的條文文字可以嗎因為這個部分其實就目前的申請就取得原住民身份的實務上雖然說我們第4條是規定說是取得原住民身份但它其實還是要經過申請的程序所以院辦把這個程序就寫明在這個條文裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
17231.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
17245.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
所以那個反正不影響嘛我們就維持現行的文字起得原住民身份就得起得這三個字刪除其他的就照行政院版的這樣也可以吧就是那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
17252.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
17274.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
得申請復活母為原住民且符合校內各種固定之一證取得原住民身份我再跟委員說明一下原來的第4條跟第3條最大的差別是因為我們把 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
17275.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
17281.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
這部分得申請後會讓兩個都可以來申請的意思因為第3條現在是只是講副或某原住民所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
17299.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
17324.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
也許這個跟飛眼通婚的這些小孩子他不見得會願意讓他的小孩子取得原住民身份所以說我們是說開申請的意思那這樣那如果是這樣的話那原來的原住民與原住民結婚所生之女那怎麼沒有條文啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
17327.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
17334.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
原住民及原住民結婚所生子女及原住民及非原住民結婚所生子女及非原住民結婚所生子女 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
17352.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
17380.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
給不同的申請條件他認為說這個部分有違反平等權的原則所以我們後來就是把這兩種類型都給它整合在一起而且要取得原住民身份的條件都一樣所以現在那個主委得申請這三個字拿掉完全不受影響第一個啟用父或母所屬原住民組織傳的名字 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
17388.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
17397.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
其用漢人姓名並以原住民族文字並列父或母所屬原住民族之傳統名字。從即原住民身份之父或母之姓 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
17407.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
17420.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
這個就是你回到原來的這個原住民與原住民結婚所生的也包含在這裡面嘛對不對沒有錯吧我講的沒有錯吧所以那個得起得得申請這三個字 |
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17423.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
17448.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
主席主席我想請問一下第三條第一項的這三款一、二、三款我想問一下原民會這三款就一定還是得要申請才能夠取得對不對你還是必須要經過申請的這個手續嘛對不對不是說我不申請我自然就取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
17449.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
17474.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
是嗎?這三款取得的身份證一定要經過申請這個程序嗎?對啊,主席這個都一定要申請啊,你才有取得這個身份證。他說,現行的條文,我們先看現行的條文。原住民與原住民結婚所生子女取得原住民身份。他說,不是不是不是,他說這個還是要申請。 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
17477.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
17503.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
還是要申請在他們的不是不是你先聽我講本來是因啦但是他們在副級副級副政資律副政的實際作業上還是要寫那個申請表啦所以既然還是要寫申請表得起的那三個字就可以不用還是要寫申請表內政部表示要意見是不是這樣是不是這得起的三個字拿掉也無妨嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
17504.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
17508.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
但是你放在這邊會被人家不知道的人會認為我們倒退啊嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
17513.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
17541.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
他本來就按照現行的那個附籍的申請登記還是要寫還是要寫申請表嘛所以你當時你現在把文字加上去會被認為倒退啦這個是桿子桿子就法律的用詞上是一個一個這樣的一個狀況把得申請三個字就就作業上沒有影響啦內政部沒有影響嘛沒有影響啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
17543.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
17571.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
你不要...法律人不要聽他的法律人他會無所霸道法律人要聽我的我是尊重你好不好你不要真的以為以為那個你以為政電宅很專業沒有這部分他都問我偷偷問我的那功力...他功力還不夠好不好好 我們就這樣齁把得申請三個字拿掉齁你看他們沒問題了對對對修正通過了齁好主席主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
17576.679 |
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| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
主席還有司法院這邊再表示一下意見針對第三條的部分的話我們是認為說還是要寫清楚就是得申請會比較好啦因為其實就算它有符合那三款的要件但是到底有沒有符合基本上 |
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| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
還是要經過行政機關經過申請一個審核的程序然後呢假如不管是準不準許甚至不準許的話經過申請的程序然後給他駁回他事後才有救濟的機會不然的話沒有講說得申請那事後到底要怎麼審查這個會影響到事後的那個救濟的程序是怎麼樣司法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
17620.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
17647.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
這個不是新的條文啊原來的條文就是不用得申請這三個字啊從以前到現在從原住民身份認定標準到現在一直都是這樣啊只不過是他們在戶籍這個手續上他還是要寫申請表我們也沒有反對啊但是用詞上這樣會嚴重到在比那個國民政府的時候還倒退啊 |
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17648.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
17667.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
會有這樣的用詞這個部分不是新的東西是取得原住民身份這個東西是原來就有的這個是我們這邊的提醒當然如果說主管機關這邊他們也沒有意見的話我們也尊重他們好不好那我們立法說明裡面有沒有特別說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
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17691.894 |
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這方面影響實際的作業,要去推翻它實際的作業。你來申請的時候還是按照我審查程序,我還是會審查。我們都沒有從來要去否定他們的。 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
第三條就得申請三個刪除修正通過然後第第4條第4條 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
17734.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
17758.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
第一個就是得申請這三個字就比照剛才那個部分現在是重點重點就是在那個本席所提的第5條的12345第5項第5項內政部可以接受嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
17761.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
17776.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
本席的第9月的那個養子女之本生父母於收養後取得原住民身份者養子女於未成年時得由本生父母或養父母申請取得原住民身份 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
17777.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
17797.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
以成年者得以個人意願申請取得原住民身份前向養子女得以利害關係人身份依附集法第65條規定向戶政事務所申請本身父母之戶籍資料或戶籍等本因為他成年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
17799.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
17821.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
他拿不到本身父母他一看他的本身父母是有原住民身份結果他自己他要去申請的時候當然要你們的資料才可以謝謝跟委員會報告我是戶政司專委潘映中先跟委員報告第5項第5項的部分我們這邊是提出說 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
17822.759 |
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17852.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
因為你針對於養殖你他未成年的時候如果他要申請原住民的這個身份他當然是要法定代理人來處理那現在變成說這邊可能會有第5條的第5項那他如果要取得原住民身份他變成有法定代理人未成年要有法定代理人來申請那現在變成說如果本身父母跟養父母兩個都可以的時候那會不會造成實務上面可能兩個有所衝突啦那這個是我們的顧慮啦那這個擔心說在第一線的實務上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
17852.699 |
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| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
部署會面臨到說如果生父母跟養父母同時出現那他們對於這個原住民衛生年齡、原住民身份有爭議的時候要怎麼處理所以我們提出來這一點希望說大家再做一個討論那第二個部分是針對於說就是說你要取得這個生父母的這個戶籍資料的部分 |
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17872.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
17891.837 |
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因為他已經是收養了那收養的部分當然你要回頭再去取得正當在法律上面他其實就是他是跟生父母基本上就是有一個就是暫停這個法律上的相關的關係那如果說他要再去取得生父母的戶籍資料的時候其實報告委員我們在110年也有發一個文給各縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
17892.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
17909.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
如果說這個當事人基於原住民身份法的相關的身份取得需要去拿到生父母的這些資料那護所就可以依照這樣的一個條文來做審查就是說如果他真的有因為這個原住民身份法必須要有取得身份的需要的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
17910.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
17937.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
那戶政事務所他還可以依照這個情況來做審查所以其實實務上面如果有發生戶所他還是可以依照這個這個以利害關係的身份去處理所以這邊需不需是就是說如果我們先我們就是之前已經有做過相關的函事那如果說這邊要定那我們原則上是就尊重這樣子是是我們的大律師 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
17940.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
17968.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
大律師我先說我先說你一下因為司法院釋字第28號解釋文養子女以本生父母方命之天然血親雖然他被縮養了天然血親仍然存在故有之天然血親這個字都是 |
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17970.666 |
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17986.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
不受影響的所以甚至甚至那個司法院四字第28號解釋也特別提到當養父母與養子女利害相反訴訟的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
17988.564 |
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18017.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
本身的父母都還可以為了這個自己的子女的利益還是可以代為訴訟所以這部分是在司法院釋字第28號有這樣的一個解釋文最重要的就是說最新的解釋憲法法庭111年憲判之第4號判決人之血統先於憲法法律存在之自然事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
18018.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
18030.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
所以原住民之身分認同權應受憲法第22條規定高度保障所以原住民特殊人格權利所以基於這樣的一個情形所以這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
18032.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
18055.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
我才會規定說養子女之本身父母於收養後取得原住民身份者養子女於未成年時得由其中之一你本身父母你要幫他申請或是說有養父母現在其實案例都是養父母了現在的案例其實都是養父母 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
18056.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
18077.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
希望讓他的養子女取得原住民身份現在很多的個案都是這樣但是現在因為這個過去條文沒有訂得很清楚所以內政部一直礙於這個部分如果剛才這個內政部的剛才的意見是怕兩方意見不同的時候不然的話我們就把 |
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18078.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
18106.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
得由本身父母這幾個字拿掉就得由養父母得由養父母申請起的原住民身份然後以成年的時候當然自己可以做決定這樣是不是可以做這樣的一個我知道就是其實這個意思法定代理人也是可以法定代理人當然就是養父母 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
18108.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
18133.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
還是要用法定代理人更明確了報告主席因為這個部分我們其實這個部分的條文我們是擺在第6條而且適用的範圍是更廣的因為我們也了解委員所提的意思就是說一旦被收養之後他想要取得原住民身份依照現行的規定他必須要先終止收養關係因為他不能改姓在收養過程當中他不能改回生父母的姓 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
18134.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
18152.459 |
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所以往往必須要先終止收養關係然後才能取得原住民的身份所以我們第6條我們排除了第1078條第一項、第二項這是有關收養的那個部分所以它只要這個被排除掉之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
18153.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
18170.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
他為了要取得原住民身份他就可以去從他的本身父母的姓或者是並列原住民的傳統姓名就可以取得原住民身份對對對所以我們而且因為我們的版本對是那就剩下那個剛才內政部也也同意嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
18177.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
第16屆立法委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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18202.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
18218.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
對阿以前那個是把它放在那個火鍋裏面的好那個那個這樣把這個跡象放在哪裏就是第5條好好好好可以齁好 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
18220.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
18234.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
我們第4條齁就照行政案版來通過齁好那個董先生請一樣拿掉吧比較前面的那條齁好 確認確認那個第4條這邊第4條這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
18241.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
18269.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
就是我們表示一下意見那就是看那個大院這邊的有沒有什麼其他的想法就是說第4條這邊關於這個原住民當然是學通主義為主然後認同原則當作一個輔助標準那在認同的表徵的這個地方的話其實在第3條這邊有有三款情形可以適用那第4條這邊只列了兩款那只是不知道說 |
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18270.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
18296.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
這個第二款的情形是不是可以包含在要怎麼解釋它是第三款的哪一種情形還是有包含第三條的哪一款情形或第三條的哪幾款情形加在一起這部分是不太清楚啦但我也知道說這個到底收養他的要成立原住民具有原住民身份他的要件恐怕可以跟第三條做不一樣的 |
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18297.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
18324.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
可以做不一樣的規範只是我們看條文會有這樣的問題現行的條文也是不一樣我們是提出這樣的疑惑如同我們書面意見所載的這樣子給大家參考第4條修正通過對第4條就修正通過有跟比照第4條就修正通過接下來第幾頁 |
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18328.746 |
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18350.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
14月原住民有受害情形之意的喪失原住民身份這個部分各位有沒有意見好沒有意見的話我們第5條就照行政院版第5條就照行政院版通過好 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
18356.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
18380.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
我們現在第17頁看一下第17頁第6條現行的條文第6條原住民離子之非婚生子女取得原住民身份前向非婚生子女經非原住民身份論明者上司原住民身份單約定存有姓或原住民身份非原住民子女此次非婚生子女經原住民身份論明 |
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18380.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
18403.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
且重複信或原住民成為名字者、取得原住民身份,判處的理由是本條所定有關取得原住民身份之事項,略以修正條案第3條規定之無重複規範之。」好,各位沒意見?沒意見?好,現行法的第6條就刪除,就照行政院版一樣刪除。 |
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18405.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
18430.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
然後現行的第6條行政院版的第6條本席的第7條然後蔡司應的第7條好剛才有討論到這個行政院版的第6條要增加這個原來的本席所提的第幾條 |
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18434.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
18454.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
第5條的那個最後一項這個可以吧那怎麼樣加在第幾項還是在授權給那個內政委員會人員來去把它陣列在 |
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18460.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
18481.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
我們先我們先討論後面的你們在那個誰那個你們你們的同仁去看檢查一下哈檢查一下哈我們先把後面的先保留好等一下他們文字幕好我們再來哈 |
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18485.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
18497.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
好第7條在20月第7條符合這是行政院版是第7條那個蔡適應委員的版本是第8條 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
18500.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
18520.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
符合第2條至第4條規定取得原住民身份之要件而予申請取得原住民身份前死亡者其執理總用第3條及前條之規定取得原住民身份各位有沒有意見沒有意見好就照行政院版通過第8條 |
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18523.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
18546.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
這個條次變更而已了其他文字沒有變好就照行政院版通過第8條然後本席的第8條之一符合第2條第4條或第6條規定取得原住民身份之要件但於申請取得原住民身份前別收養這個你們說明一下 |
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18549.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
18552.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
這部分在第6條我們已經有排除因為提案的時間不同本期的第8條之一不宜增淀不宜增淀的理由是前面已經有了 |
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18572.873 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
18579.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
行政院版的第9條其他也沒有也就是現行條文的第11條我先念一下這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
18584.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
18610.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
原住民因依其父或母之所屬民族登記其民族別其原住民族從有名字或從姓因與其登記之民族別相關聯且向原住民民族別之認定、登記、變更及其他相關事項之辦法由中央原住民族主管機關定之好 各位有沒意見沒有請教而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
18614.57 |
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18637.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
請問一下這個第9條的第二款然後對應到說明欄3這邊有提按姓名條例第一條第二項的規定原住民族取用或並列原住民族傳統名字我是想要請問一下這個取用有沒有包含單列 |
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18639.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
18667.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
這樣的情況其實因為單列或是並列它是登記的方式那取用的話就取用傳統名字所以取用就是單列嗎是包括包括單列嗎也會對那我是不是請教一下因為我早上質詢有關心這個原住民身份法聯動姓名條例有問說姓名條例的部分部長、院內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
18668.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
18691.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
就是目前因為已經執勤沒有沒有沒有我跟你說聯動因為已經執勤8個會期了合格講起來沒有什麼聯動啊不因為會影響啊那因為這個單列會影響到人們所以我的意思是說那個有回應說行政院已經同意單列了他們要同意你們要看他的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
18692.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
18693.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
執勤軍警消海巡人員投票權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
18723.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
18735.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
內政部今天的書面報告他們認為還是要下一階段好 等一下再談所以第9條各位有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
18737.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
18751.482 |
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好,第9條就於行政院版本通過不是,這個說來有故事,這個第11條謝謝你挑選的第11條這個是本席開創的當初我是處長啦好,這個第10條 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
18763.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
18779.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
行政院版的第10條這個只是調次嗎?調次 它本來那個第二項要移到那個前條就民主別的認定辦法的那個部分調到第10條第9條來規定所以它基本上沒有動沒有動 文字沒有動 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
18781.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
18803.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
好,第10條就照行政院版通過然後第11條這個說明一下為什麼變成加一個脫落原來是移落一直看到這樣文字我們是配合那個戶籍法的那個規定這也是內政部給我們的建議說有可能會有脫落的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
18806.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
18825.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
我第一次看到這樣的文字這個脫落跟遺漏有什麼差別啊複習法有這樣寫是嗎我們是寫脫落啦在複習法裡面嗎對22條裡面我們就寫複習登記事項有錯誤或脫落時因爲什麼什麼登記我們的用語是這樣解釋一下這個脫落什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
18826.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
18830.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
第16屆立法委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
18844.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
18868.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
到底要遺漏好還是脫漏好以前的錯誤可以改從這個原住民生產法開始改因為這一條是內政部建議的那如果說基於相類似的概念如果說法條的用語能夠越一次的話那當然大家使用上就不會有什麼問題這樣子所以用脫漏的話應該也是可能會比較一次這樣子以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
18872.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
18901.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
你早上沒有聽我的質詢了民法後來是參考我們身份法來回去改的好 這個好 第11條就照行政院版脫落哎呀好 第12條好 這個行政院版照行政院版通過 有沒有問題好 還有第6條如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
18904.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
18931.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
打字上我們這個原住民身份法是在民國89年之後審查的然後90年這個三讀通過公佈施行然後授權涉及到90年1月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
18932.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
18940.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
中央委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
18943.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
18962.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
明天要重複沒有什麼協議是從原住民身份法開始父母協議然後要用你的孩子是要從父還是從母是從原住民身份法優先先通過的後來民法才跟著改 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
18963.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
18963.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
這個行政機關這麼久 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
18991.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
19011.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
第16屆立法委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
19018.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
19019.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
第16屆立法委員會主任委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
19052.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
19054.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
新增第三項,一、 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
19074.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
19074.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
我唸一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
19105.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
19130.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
行政院版的第6條行政院版的第6條增加第三項第三項的我唸一下前項楊子敏一第三項不用楊子敏 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
19132.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
19155.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
一、逼向規定申請取得原住民身份者得以利害關係人身份向附贈事務所申請本身父母、知父及資料或父及藤本是這樣一、附集法 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
19160.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
19184.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
楊子毅得以利害關係人身份依附集法第65條規定向副政書所申請本身父母之附集資料或附集等本好各位有沒有意見好這個就是按照內政部的意見的條文來做修正好第6條我們就修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
19189.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
19189.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
好、好、好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
19217.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
19218.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
好 請先讀協商結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
19251.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
19268.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
宣讀原住民生命法修正草案協商結論第一條造行正義提案條文通過第二條造行正義提案條文通過現行法第三條刪除第三條修正通過第四條修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
19271.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
19299.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
第5條造行政議提案條文通過現行法第6條刪除第6條修正通過第7條造行政議提案條文通過第8條造行政議提案條文通過委員鄭天才等18人提案增訂第8條之一不予增訂第9條造行政議提案條文通過第10條造行政議提案條文通過第11條造行政議提案條文通過第12條造行政議提案條文通過宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
19302.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
19311.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
那我們那個第三條跟第四條的補充立法那個補充立法有再請移民會提供那現在請先讀剛才那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
19318.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
19335.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
請問各位剛剛協商的結論通過請問有沒有異議好我們就本次會議審查通過這條文調適引述條文部分文字及相關法制用作權主席及議事人員整理好接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
19337.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
19338.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
本案與議會討論時,由召集委員易蘭作補充說明。」 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
19362.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
19385.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
一日申法已經審查完畢了那現在就是跟姓名接下來是姓名條例跟那個工作成員保障法跟這個沒有關係的就可以先離席現在先讀那個討論事項第二案及第三案所有的條文先讀完畢後我們再進行協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
19389.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
19405.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
宣讀《原住民族工作權保障法》海巡政院提案共7案法名稱委員吳立華等18人提案名稱修正為《原住民族工作權法》第一章委員吳立華等18人提案同線刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
19406.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
19433.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
第一條行政院提案將原住民修正為原住民族刪除後段本法未規定者適用其他法律之規定之文字其餘同性行條文委員吳立華等18人提案第一句維持性行法之原住民用語其餘同行政院提案第二條行政院提案增訂第二項文字為本法所稱原住民族地區只依原住民族基本法第二條第三款規定和定制地區其餘同性行條文委員吳立華等18人提案同行政院提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
19433.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
19461.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
第3條委員吳立華等18人提案同性行條文第2章行政院提案章名修正為穩定就業措施五聯繞國動等25人提案章名修正為禁用保障委員吳立華等18人提案同行政院提案第4條行政院提案修正為第4條各級政府機關各公立學校及公營事業機構除位於澎湖金門連江縣及原住民族地區外其員工總人數100人以上者經驗年住民人數不得低於員工總人數1% |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
19463.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
19486.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
前向鎖定員工總人數之計算以各級政府機關、各公益學校與公益事業機構為投保單位之每月一日參加公教人員保險及勞工保險人數為準經驗員、住民人數之計算以各級政府機關、各公益學校與公益事業機構為投保單位之每日參加公教人員保險及勞工保險人數為準並以整數計算未達整數部分不予記錄前向員工之投保薪資未達基本工資者不計 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
19488.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
19509.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
不計入員工總人數但原住民員工資投保薪資達基本工資二分之一者經用二人得以一人計入原住民人數依法合宜留職停薪、經資遣或退休人繼續參加工作人員保險或勞工保險人員凍結及列管出缺不補者不計入員工總人數但留職停薪出缺不補之原因為原住民者 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
19510.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
19532.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
紀律禁用原住民人數委員恐問及等22任提案修正文第4條各級政府機關公立學校及一國營事業法第3條所認定之國營事業除衛彭湖金門名江縣外其員工總人數在100人以上者禁用原住民人數不得低於員工總人數3%私立學校團體及民營事業機構其員工總人數在100人以上者禁用原住民人數不得低於員工總人數1% |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
19534.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
19563.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
全國軍人、警察、消防及海岸巡防機關一第一項及第五條第一項規定金融智能住民得合併計算總額控管第一項、第二項及第五條第一項各級政府機關、公司、律學校、團體依國營事業法第3條所認定之國營事業及民營事業機構員工總人數及金融營住民人數之計算方式以其每月一日參加勞保、工保及軍保人數為準經合定為出缺不補、源於凍結及留職、停薪者不計入員工總人數請四項規定依資本法中華民國全年軍業全日實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
19564.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
19581.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
修正之條文施行後二年施行委員廖國棟等25人提案修正為第4條各級政府機關公立學校公法人及公民事業機構除位於原住民族地區及澎湖金門名家縣外其員工總人數每滿100人應經由原住民一人前項所稱之員工總人數以其每月一日參加勞 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
19582.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
19599.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
勞工保險、公交人員保險人數為準經核定為出缺不補原而凍結及留置聽信者不予列入計算本法所稱原住民族地區指原住民傳統居住具有原住民族歷史淵源及文化特色經中央主管機關報請行政院核定之地區委員陳明等17人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
19599.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
19615.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
盯上序文、刪除除位於澎湖、金門、寧江、縣外之文字其餘通信性條文委員吳立華等18人提案修正人第4條各級政府機關、公立學校及公益事業機構除位於澎湖、金門、寧江、縣外員工總人數100人以上者今年原住民族人數不得低於員工總人數1% |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
19616.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
19645.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
前項員工總人數以每月一日該機關購學校為投保單位計算參加公保及勞保之人數經用原住民族人數以每日該機關購學校為投保單位計算參加公保及勞保之人數前項原住民族員工投保薪資未達基本工資者不計入員工總人數及經用原住民族人數但投保薪資達基本工資二分之一以上者經用二人得以一人計入原住民族人數依法合宇留職停薪人繼續參加公保或勞保者員而凍結或列管出缺不補者 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
19646.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
19663.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
不予計入員工總人數但六指停薪出卻不補之原而委員駐民族者計入經營員駐民族人數委員鄭天才等17年提案,第一項序文前段修正為各級政府機關各公民學校、公民事業機構及政府捐助制裁團法人處位於澎湖、金門、龍江縣及原住民族地區外 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
19664.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
19689.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
第2項及第3項於公民事業機構後面增訂及政府捐助之財團法人文字並著作文字修正其餘同線型條文委員政廳採等17年提案增訂第4條之一文字自為第4條之一各級政府機關構公民學校及公民事業機構除位於澎湖、金門、南江縣及原住民族地區外金融需居公務員員任用資格者金融原住民人數應不得低於現有元額之1% |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
19690.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
19706.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
第5條行政委員提案修正為第5條為原住民族地區之各級政府機關及公民學校及公民事業機構其經驗原住民人數不得低於員工總人數3%但其所在地區之原住民族人口比率低於3%者依其原住民族人口比率經驗原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
19707.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
19723.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
位於原住民族地區之縣市政府、鄉鎮市區公所,依其所辖地區之原住民族人口比率經營原住民,其二項所定之原住民族人口比率而中央主管機關免時能供告之第一項員工總人數及經營原住民人數之計算準用前條第二項至第四項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
19725.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
19751.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
委員孔文集的22任提案修正為第5條原住民族地區各級政府機關公立學校及依國營事業法第3條所認定之國營事業其經營原住民人數之比率不得低於員工總人數30%但上例情形依各款規定辦理依各級政府機關管轄地區學校招生學區跨縣市或鄉鎮市且原住民平均人口比率低於30%者不得低於該平均人口比率二鄉鎮市公所不得低於所轄之原住民人口比率 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
19752.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
19776.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
其中原住民人口比率逾70%者不得低於70%與原住民族地區各級政府機關及依《國營事業法》第3條所認定之國營事業經以業務性質特殊、服務對象廣泛其單位定額經營總人數之計算範圍得於本法施行細則令定之第一項比率應每5年進行檢討本條之規定自本法《中華民國圈內圈域圈域修正之條文》施行後2年施行 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
19777.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
19786.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
五連繞國動等25人提案修正為第5條原住民族地區各級政府機關、公立學校公法人及公民事業機構經用非具公教營運用資格者其人數總額應有35%以上為原住民經用須具公教營運用資格者其人數總額應有60%以上為原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
19794.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
19812.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
但商政市區公所其人員金融比率不得低於首瑕之原住民人口比率其中原住民人口比率逾70%者其金融原住民人數之比率不得低於70%前項所稱人數總額以其每月一日參加勞工保險、公交人員保險人數為準金和電源儲缺不補由於凍結節流之停薪者不予列入計算 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
19813.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
19829.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
第1項及前條應經營原住民人數需以本法施行後卻年內完成但現有緣為未達比率者4員工出缺後再行經用委員吳麗華等18人提案修正為第5條原住民族地區之各級政府機關公立學校及公立事業機構經營原住民族人數不得低於員工總人數3%但縣市政府鄉鎮市區公所 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
19833.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
19855.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
其所辖地區之原住民族人口比率金融低於3%者以3%計原住民族人口比率每5年由中央主管機關公告之第一項員工總人數計計算準用前條第二項至第5項規定委員鄭天才等17年提案第一項蓄員及第二項與公民事業機構後面增幣及政府捐助之財團法人文字第三項中斷之2%修正為3%刪除第4項其餘同線型條文第6條 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
19860.948 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
19878.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
委員會立法等18人提案將原住民文字修正為原住民族其餘頭線性條文第3章委員會立法等18人提案將原住民文字修正為原住民族合作社第7條委員會立法等18人提案將原住民文字修正為原住民族其餘頭線性條文第8條行政院提案刪除 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
19879.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
19908.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
委員孔文吉等22人提案委員廖國棟等25人提案及委員鄭天才等17人提案刪除後段但自本法施行之日起6年內應免徵所得稅之營業及營業稅文次其餘同線性條文委員武麗華等18人提案將原住民文次修正為原住民族其餘同線性條文第9條委員武麗華等18人提案將原住民文次修正為原住民族其餘同線性條文第10條委員武麗華等18人提案將原住民文次修正為原住民族其餘同線性條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
19909.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
19929.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
第4章行政委員提案章明修正為政府採購促進就業措施委員廖國棟等25人提案章明修正為政府採購保障委員吳立華等18人提案章明修正為政府採購輔助就業措施第11條行政委員提案將各級政府機關文字修正為各級政府機關購原住民文字修正為原住民族其餘同性型條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
19930.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
19956.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
委員懇文集的20任提案原住民文字修正為原住民族增訂第二項文字為各級政府機關、公立學校及依國營事業法第3條所認定之國營事業辦理工高金額十分之一以下之採購因優先競洽原住民個人機構法人或團體不受政府採購法第49條之限制但原住民個人機構法人或團體無法承包者不在此限其餘同性行條文委員繞國動的25任提案於公立學校後面增訂公法人文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
19957.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
19979.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
原住民文字修正為原住民族其餘同性型條文委員陳瑩等16人提案增訂第二項文字為前項公告金額由主管機關定期檢討公告其餘同性型條文委員武麗華等18人提案同行政院提案委員鄭天才等17人提案強調文字修正為各級政府機關購、公立學校、公民事業機構及政府捐助製裁團法人其餘同性正面提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
19980.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
20001.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
第12條,行政院提案第一項後段增訂,但得標廠商為各級政府機關、各公立學校及公立事業機構者不在此限第二項後段修正為其補助條件期間數額及相關事項之辦法由中央聯邦主管機關定之增訂第三項文字為第一項員工總人數及經營原住民人數之計算準用第4條第二項至第4項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
20003.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
20029.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
現行條例第3項以略第4項並修正為得標廠商經營原住民元數未達第1項規定比率者應就經用差額人數向原住民族綜合發展基金及就業基金繳納代金增訂第5項文字為前項代金供差額人數乘以每月基本工資計算不足1月者每日以每月基本工資除以30日計但得標廠商應繳納代金經營超過政府採購決標經營一定比率者得與著減其一定比率減輕機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
20031.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
20049.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
金額計算方式及其他相關事項及辦法由中央主管機關定之其餘同性行條文委員要活動的25人提案第三項會議案增訂得標廠商需繳納代金金額如超過政府採購金額者的減輕機制其減輕機制由中央主管機關定之文字其餘同性行條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
20049.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
20073.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
委員吳立華等18人提案第三項修正為前項員工總人數字計算準用第4條第二項至第5項規定其餘同線型條文第5章委員吳立華等18人提案章民同線型法第13條行政院提案刪除第一項第二項一列第一項並將公民營機構文字修正為公民營事業機構原住民文字修正為原住民族增訂第二項文字為 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
20073.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
20100.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
為增進於原住民族長期穩定工作機會政府應鼓勵私立學校、法人、團體及民營事業機構經營原住民及與同性情條文委員賴國棟等25人提案將第二項公民營機構文資修正為公民營事業機構及與同性情條文委員吳麗華等18人提案第一項同行政院提案第二項修正為中央勞動主管機關對直轄市縣市轄區內原住民人口達2萬人以上者應設立會委託直轄市縣市主管機關設立 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
20102.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
20126.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
原住民族特殊文化之原住民公立就業服務機構第14條行政院提案第一項原住民文字修正為原住民族第二項各級政府機關文字修正為各級政府機關購令著作文字修正其餘同性行條文委員廖國棟等25人提案於公立學校後面增訂公法人文字其餘同性行條文委員伍麗華等18人提案第一項原住民文字修正為原住民族 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
20126.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
20143.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
第二項修正為各級政府機關公益學校及公益事業機構依第4條及第5條規定經用原住民族時得函請各級主管機關推介當各級政府機關公益學校及公益事業機構之法定義而無法以推介方式禁用者不得函請各級主管機關推介其餘同現行條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
20144.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
20167.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
第15條委員吳立華等18人提案將原住民文字修正為原住民族其餘同線型條文第16條委員吳立華等18人提案將原住民文字修正為原住民族其餘同線型條文第17條委員吳立華等18人提案同線型條文第18條行政院提案將非志願文字修正為非志願其餘同線型條文委員孔文吉等22人提案同行政院提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
20169.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
20188.853 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
委員五立法等18人提案將原住民文資修正為原住民族其餘同行政院提案第19條委員五立法等18人提案將原住民文資修正為原住民族其餘同線性條文第6章行政院提案章明修正為勞資專業處理及基金管理委員五立法等18人提案同行政院提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
20189.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
20216.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
第20條委員吳立華等18人提案將原住民文資修正為原住民族其餘同縣型條文第21條委員吳立華等18人提案同縣型條文第22條委員吳立華等18人提案同縣型條文第23條委員吳立華等18人提案將原住民文資修正為原住民族其餘同縣型條文第24條行政院提案修正為第24條各級政府機關構公民學校及公民事業機構金融原住民人數未達第4條第1項第5條第1項或第2項所定比例者 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
20217.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
20239.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
每月應就經用X2元數向原住民族綜合發展基金之就業基金繳納代金前項代金X2元數乘以每月基本工資計算不足1月者每日以每月基本工資除以35計各級政府機關、各公民學校及公民事業機構應經用困難至未達第4條第1項、第5條第1項或第2項所定比率者等人員繳納代金其經用困難之認定基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
20239.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
20268.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
待經營演員繳納期間程序及其他相關事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之各級政府機關構、學校、法人、團體及事業機構、金融、原住民情形及優者應以獎勵及獎勵對象基準方式及其他相關事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之中央主管機關會辦理待經收繳及合算相關事宜得請各級政府機關構、學校、法人、團體及事業機構提供留職、填薪、資遣、退休、援兒、凍結、夜館、出缺、不補、公教育員、保險及勞工保險等資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
20269.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
20289.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
該機關、各學校、法人、團體或事業機構無正當理由不得拒絕。」委員孔文吉等22人提案修正委第24條各級政府、機關、公司、立學校、團體及公司運營事業機構經營原住民之人書未達第4條或第5條所定比例者因每月繳納代金前項制代金差額人數乘以每月基本工資計算 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
20291.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
20307.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
對於經由原住民倡出規定比例之私立學校團體及民營事業機構並得以原住民族綜合發展基金之就業基金合法獎勵金其經由最高按鈔額經由年數乘以每月基本工資三分之二計算前項獎勵條件方式及其他相關事宜之辦理由中央主管機關定之 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
20308.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
20323.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
五元廖國棟等25人提案修正為第24條各級政府機關公益學校公法人及公益事業機構金融原住民之人數未達第4條及第5條所定應金融之原住民人數者每月應向原住民族綜合發展基金及就業基金代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
20325.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
20347.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
繳納貸金,但依第5條第3項規定經用者自出缺時及一個月內免繳貸金,傾向及第12條第3項之貸金,依差額人數乘以每月基本工資計算,不足業者每日以每月基本工資除以30計,其貸金之計算45入至整數,依本法應繳納之貸金,依通知現期其繳納而人不繳納者依法行移送行政執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
20348.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
20367.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
各級政府機關、公立學校、公法人、公立事業機構及第一政府採購法之得標廠商、金融或雇用原住民人數超出規定應金融或雇用原住民人數者應予獎勵其獎勵辦法由中央主管機關定制委員吳立華等18人提案修正為第24條各級政府機關、公立學校、公立事業機構及得標廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
20368.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
20387.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
金融原住民族人數未達第4條、第1項、第5條、第1項及第12條、第1項所定比率者除每月一項原住民族綜合發展基金之就業基金繳納代金中央主管機關並得公告其名稱前項代金差額人數乘以每月基本工資計算但得標廠商應繳納代金金額超過政府採購決標金額者其減輕機制由中央主管機關並併支 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
20389.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
20407.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
各級政府機關、公立學校及公立事業機構亦下令規定辦理,經提出相關佐證人件得名繳代金。一、第14條第二項規定經函請各級主管機關推介,於各級主管機關未函付推介前得名繳代金,但每年度僅得申請415個月違憲,報竟中央主管機關同意者得延長2個月。 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
20408.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
20429.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
各級主管機關含附推介次日期一個月亦得免繳代金二、以提列公務人員特種考試原住民族考試任用計劃自提列日期至未獲分配考試錄取人員通知機關解除列管含送達日址三、公務事業機構公開偵視之類別限定具原住民身份者自公告偵視檢查日期至人員到職日址 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
20429.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
20452.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
本法應繳納之待經通知信其繳納而人不繳納者,依法依送行正執行。各級政府機關、公司、立學校、團體及公民、事業機構、金融員、住民族、勤刑及優者應以獎勵其獎勵辦法和中央主管機關定職。中央主管機關為辦理本法相關事宜的三相關機關取得留職、停薪、員額凍結、列管、出缺、不補、勞保及公保等資料各相關機關予以配合無正當理由不得拒絕。 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
20453.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
20471.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
委員鄭天才等17人提案第一項修正為各級政府機關購、公立學校、公立事業機構及政府捐助之財團法人金融原住民人數為達第4條、第4條之第5條所定比率者每月應就金融差額人數向原住民族綜合發展基金之就業基金繳納代金相除第三項、第四項及 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
20472.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
20498.046 |
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專屬第3項、第4項及第5項分別一列第3項、第4項其餘同行政院提案第7章委員吳立華等18人提案章明同現行法第25條委員吳立華等18人提案同現行條文第26條行政院提案增訂第2項文字為本法中華民國圈年、圈月、圈日修正至第4條、第5條、第12條、第1項至第3項及第24條、第1項至第3項自公布後3年施行其餘同現行條文 |
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委員孔文吉等22人提案修正為本法處令定施行日期者外自公佈日施行委員廖國棟等25人提案增訂第二項文字為中華民國全年全月全日修正條文自全年1月1日施行其餘同線型條文委員伍麗華等18人提案修正為本法處第4條、第5條、第12條、第14條及第24條、第1項至第4項自公佈後1年施行外自公佈日施行現在宣讀姓名條例 |
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本議內政委員會於111年5月25日召開第10屆第5會期第20次全體委員會議審查委員鄭天才等16人、委員吳立華等20人及委員羅美玲等18人提案及該三案之條文及委員王美惠所提修正動議均已宣讀完畢現在宣讀委員廖國棟等16人已據姓名條例部分條文修正草案 |
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第一條第二項前段修正為臺灣原住民族及其他少數民族之姓名登記應符合其傳統名字增訂第三項文字為前項所稱之傳統名字應由中央原住民主管機關會上有關機關定之其餘同現行條文第二條第二項後段增訂但臺灣原住民傳統名字之姓名登記不在此現文字其餘同現行條文 |
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第4條第一項修正為臺灣原住民族及其他少數民族之中文傳統姓名或漢人姓名均得與傳統姓名之羅馬拼音或原住民族文字單列或並列登記不受第一條第一項規定之限制其與同現行條文第8條第一項第三款原住民文字修正為原住民族其與同現行條文宣讀完畢 |
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好我們繼續審查我們先審查那個姓名條例姓名條例的條文比較少我們先審查姓名條例那個條文這樣那個我們可能 |
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我們先以大言者因為這個內政部今天的報告是認為這個還要警政院還沒有還沒有版本然後也還要擬計公事是不是內政部說明一下這樣我們就比較省時間了 |
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今天主要議題涉及到那個原住民單列這個姓名單列原住民文字這個議題然後在報告裡面有主要說明說這一題行政院已經召開跨部會 |
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會議的協商那基本上的結論就是說我們就是尊重朝向這個方向來推動那當時是有在提到說希望說原民會再去針對這個議題就部落的意見再去做些收集然後了解一下部落對這個議題的看法那另外就是說相關機關對於這件事情未來單列之後那因為就是都是相關的這個羅馬拼音的文字那各機關在相關配套上面能不能能夠落實跟上 |
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那這個部分就是請各機關做完相關的盤點之後然後我們再行政院當時沒有沒有特別說要再包但是政府也說先把這些事情做一個釐清之後再做後續的一個最後的處理這樣所以我們目前也還沒有這個行政院我們還沒有提出修法的版本以上報告 |
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所以這個部分我有按照部長早上的報告然後還有懸打這個所以行政院還要另外因為政務委員還沒有正式的拍板定案 |
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最高行政法院也已經有判決了也有人已經單列了所以這個時候已經是水到渠成了行政院也同意,人民會也認定 |
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確認對阿就這樣過了 |
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行政單位好像這邊有困難是不是要讓他們再作為一下溝通因為最主要這個後面行政院還沒有拍板的時候是因為他要問說我們後續的作為到底行不行能不能馬上跟得上你跟不上你修法完了以後你跟不上也沒有用所以他為什麼到最後還沒有完全百分之百拍板那我是建議說等到那個行政院正式拍板以後再來 |
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我其實不好意思因為這個我諮詢我幾乎每個會期都諮詢那我也知道內政部其實早在一兩年前我諮詢的時候都有在編錢啊都在改系統啊這個說不過去而且我們這個是最後一個會期 |
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那公告實施不是我不是為了我啊這個最早古拉斯也是擔任立委也是一直在講這個問題啊啊我是覺得時候到了啦因為判決也有了也有人護證所幫那個人單列了都有了欸這個沒有什麼這個沒有什麼問題我就不理解啊版本也有啊 |
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主席我看這樣子啦當然那個吳立法委員對這個案子非常在意也很認真啊努力在推動這個都可以理解啦但是我把它聽起來就是說我們行政院這個地方如果我們我們一般來講的話大家都會講說你院本在什麼地方呢個別委員當然都會有一些提出一些法案 |
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那五立法委員提出這個法案我看起來是非常可行的也不像以前五花八門的案子沒有院版但在審了審了都怕了怕死了都是單點在解決那行政院我看最近還沒有提出來原因可能是至於讓他更完備可能會讓他更完備所以五立法委員也不用急這個大家會跟你一起來推動但我們也請說是不是讓 |
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行政院這個地方趕快禁訴啦尤其原民會這個地方禁訴把他盤點完以後下次我相信吳立法委員連任回來以後這個案子我們就要趕快來推動了我不是為了歷史定位啦而是很多年輕人為了這件事去法院然後名字亂取大家去比賽亂取名字 |
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我不想跟你論戰這一題這一題我是站在支持你的立場那我倒會覺得應該讓園民會這個地方來這裡不說話我就覺得怪怪的你怎麼知道就代表你們都共識都還沒取得啦共識有取得的找院版就出來了啦我們這不是第一天當立委啦至少聽一下那個園民會怎麼說 |
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行政院有何意識請人民會做決論嗎剛剛內政部是講得很清楚啊人民會一直都贊成啊他們的書面包括上一次審查我們的那鄭委員你今天是主席你贊不贊成我都有條文啊今天有條文的除了吳立華委員還有鄭天才、史拉卡、趙委員還有劉美芸委員還有廖國棟委員今天都有提案所以這個部分下次再等行政院 |
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就請行政院這個地方趕快提出院板因為你們都認為說有時間時程上問題各部會要去配合那就趕快加強好不好他們都支持我替他們說他們支持你們三位跟維民會你們立場是一致是沒問題的行政院 |
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好這個既然沒有共識這個這個這個部分 |
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當然原民會的立場從原住民族語言發展法第二條已經有原住民族文字這個地方已經規定得很清楚我們的語言跟文字已經是國家的語言國家的文字 |
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所以就這個原住民發展法來講的話它的確應該已經符合這個單列的這個條件了因為法律配套已經有了這第一個那第二個是的確我們在去年行政院由另外一政委召開的那個上半年那個會議有召開過各部會的代表一起開會也有做成紀錄那這裡面呢 |
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我們最後要解決我想內政部也都很大概是系統的問題可不可以解決這是一個好最後我要補充的是說顏明威的印象希望早日完成立法 |
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因為內政部也都很清楚我們已經有一個案例就是寶渡白岸那個地方因為內政部已經受理已經讓他取得這個單列的這個案例了所以我們最後還是要面對這個問題因為別的研究委員會覺得為什麼只有寶渡白岸可以單列我為什麼不可以我也是原住民這個是我們要早晚面對的問題這個部分我們最後畢竟還是要解決這個問題謝謝 |
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我延續剛剛也這樣講的我覺得內政部在這個部分顯然是沒有很注意這個法案的修正那修正的原理其實很簡單沒有其他的含義你為什麼一定要還要經過什麼什麼一個程序我聽不大懂我當立法會22年我聽不懂你講的話對啊就解決了嘛還有什麼現在還有什麼困難 |
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今天都已經在協商了還是要問其他的部會是委員會的問題還是哪個程序沒有走完為什麼現在都已經在談判了還在談說其他的機關有什麼疑問呢因為這條這個姓名條例好幾條條文 |
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剛才羅美玲召委還有莊惠雄委員也提出了這個因為行政部門還沒有準備好所以我們就另定期審查如果等一下你們回去之後OK的話我們禮拜四還可以拿出來好好溝通一下 |
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因為本席也要企圖調穩這個部分很重要的很重要的很重要的要加速的這個按照如果如果我是延命會的好事我是內政部的話我就依最高行政法院的判決 |
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我上次質詢有說做解釋就好啦不用修法可以做解釋如果可以的話更好現在也可以有魄力啊按照你過去的精神啊但是我現在沒有辦法做解釋我是行政部門所以我可以做解釋 |
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好 這個姓名條例就另定其處理齁他們馬上說可以的話我就後天怎麼死好 接下來齁 工作前稍等一下 這邊要記錄公報 星期四齁溝通齁 溝通 星期四齁溝通有 有要告訴我 |
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原住民族工作權保障法這個有一個很大的原則就是說行政院版的工作權保障法這個部分的條文對於現行條文的第幾條就是說這個第4條現行的條文第4條 |
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| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
是針對僱用下列人員諸位警察、技工、駕駛工友、清潔工、收費管理員及其他不需技工聯絡資格之非技術性公職職務 |
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| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
21348.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
現在園民會認為是要把它擴大把職員職員也就是具備公務員資格的或是考試包括國營事業的具備資格的把它併在一起那本期的條文是要這個第4條現行條文的第4條要維持 |
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| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
然後這個我特別也提出新的條文就是說這個各級政府機關機構公立學校公民事業機構及政府監助之財團法人這個具備任用資格的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
這些也應該納入進去分開就是要分開計算而不是合併計算那合併計算會對原住民不利的地方就是說對於這些不需要公認、內用資格的這些人在一般大部分的首長非原住民的首長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
很多鄉鎮市長或是很多的中央或縣的首屬機關這些縣市政府這些首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
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就不會優先禁用不計公務人員內用資格的因為他那個不用公務人員資格的他直接可以找自己的人所以變成會原住民的不計公務人員內用資格的這些會受到排擠反而會一直固然會增加 |
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既有公務人員任用資格的人來寄用到政府部門但是對於不具備公務人員任用資格的部分未來就會不斷不斷的減少會有這樣的一個因為這個部分我有特別去問了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
基層的這些不具備公務人員利用資格現在已經在職的我問他們的意見他們認為對這樣的把它合併起來對不具備公務人員利用資格的這些人的禁用會受到排擠 |
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首長會會禁用這些具有公務人員資格的人所以這個部分是所以我的條文跟行政院版有很大的不同的地方所以這個部分行政院委員會是不是可以接受本席的所提的條文 |
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| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
好謝謝委員的指教我們這個原住民族工作群保障法的修法的整個條文的這個協商我們已經花了7年的時間各部會也都有非常多次的這個協商尤其是要很謝謝我們最後連 |
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| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
人事總署包括跟主要相關部會最後我們都達成現在目前的這個宴版那跟我們主席報告一下我們現在這個宴版的版本我們有兩個規劃的這個重點第一個是我們要讓我們在 |
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中央各部會到地方政府各部會各地方政府都能夠增加禁用的職務列別不是只有限定在這個業務人員這個部分而已那麼在這件事情業務人員 |
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他們的薪資增加的機會就會很少就永遠是業孤人員升薪的機會很少這是我們希望因為我們現在我們延敏跟非延敏每個月的薪資差異大概還有9000塊錢就是因為我們雖然失業率已經拉近了但是我們的所得第一我們都在技工公有那個地方很基層的地方來做這是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
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選舉委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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有關針對現有的規定當中有901個機關是小於50個人也就是說這個機關不管是修法前跟修法後的時候它根本就是沒有義務要進入約顧五類的但是如果我們把它合併之後 |
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901個機關合併公保的一些人數之後就有機會會增加我們原住民的人數我們舉一個例子在非原住民地區高雄市前鎮區區公所它的勞保總人數是22人 |
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公保人數是80人如果分開計算他根本是沒有義務要禁用原住民但是合併禁用合併禁用的員工總人數他就必須因為超過100人就要禁用一人所以這個部分就是建議還是以院版的那個會去做一個通過會比較好 |
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第16屆立法委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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也不會因為說你的技工、工友、清潔然後住警、優惠五類跟駕駛的這個工作都會被那個我們的公務員搶去但是現有的這些人還會依照這個我們這相關的而且是人數總人數之下他就變成是一個義務要經用的一個機關我們這個人呢總歸來講我們後面會他會提高比例以上 |
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所以我看這個原住民族工作權保障法行政單位跟我們委員還是有很大的這個意見的分歧所以說這部分事實你們還要再溝通再溝通好不好會比較快啦好這個剛才羅處長怎麼怎麼怎麼講你的名字去了哈祿處長 |
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的說明你不了解地方的所長啊地方的所長包括這個中央或是縣的失業機構在原住民族第7的 |
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他當然是會優先經營公務人員然後當這個不計公務人員那用資格的這個退休後離職之後他就不會再經營我們原住民了 |
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這個事他他可以他的那個首長的內用權他會比較有利但是對原住民的不計公務員內用資格的會不利會不利既然這個有這麼大分歧的意見柔昭偉剛才柔美蓮昭偉在溝通這個我們定期 |
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處理電池處理工作權保障法的部分因為我的部分好像大家沒有討論到我提到的部分我是針對那個離島的部分提出修正那因為在等一下喔 |
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因為之前在過去我們這個金門澎湖連江的這個人口數在2001年的時候那這個原住民工作權保障法通過的時候那時候三個離島原住民的總人口數當時其實是不到200人那個時候是147人那但是現在就是說截至今年10月底涉及在 |
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有涉戶籍的已經有達到2307人所以再加上人在外島然後戶籍在本島的原住民人數其實是有超過3000人的 |
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所以在這個部分我們已經有這麼多的原住民在外島涉及在外島那這些人的工作權益我們也是要顧的那就不能拿這個已經是很多年前那個2001年那個時候的標準來套用在現在的這個現況上面所以這個部分 |
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這個部分你們並沒有剛剛那個沒有做回應了那個陳委員你的條文所提的第4條條文跟行政院版的條文就不一樣了就不一樣 |
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不一樣不一樣你要看對照表你的條文跟行政院版的條文不一樣兩很大的分歧所以剛才羅委員才會羅昭偉才會建議說這個先先溝通先協商再處理了是這樣所以今天不處理我的這個不是你的所有的不是只有你的因為你的條文跟行政院版有很大的差距啊 |
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但是我覺得你應該會同意、贊成我的條文啊我的條文方面不贊成我提的意見我覺得站在原住民立委的角度大家應該會贊成啦最主要就是說行政院的條文版本跟 |
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我們提的條文有非常大的差距所以這個部分剛才柔昭也那這樣子好不好我可以現場聽一下就是說行政院這邊很大的差距那你們的看法是什麼因為我不曉得你們剛剛也都沒有說明不是那個條文你要看條文對照表啊對就根據離島的部分我只是說現在不是他現在要把那個公共樂園的部分要併在那裡面了啦那我可以先聽一下他們的意見嗎就針對這個離島的部分 |
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現在重點不在離島不是離島重點是在他要把這個非公務人員的部分跟公務人員的部分要併在一起然後我剛剛的說法是他們不同意我的條文我的條文是要把它分開啊你的條文也是分開嘛你的條文也是分開嘛 |
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他們要把它拼在一起拼在一起的結果不具備公務人員利用資格的未來就沒有辦法再被禁用了尤其是尤其是未來就算你因為你這個條文他們不會接受 |
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因為第4條行政院也有版本就不一樣了不是說您提的我也是同意支持但我想聽一下就針對外長他們就講一下沒有關係好簡單說明說吧陳議員委員這是人事總署啊對啊就你們不好意思 |
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阿你也發聲一下一直就不知道你是誰公主今天就到這邊就好了他們再溝通一下他們再去溝通一下 |
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我剛不是講他們的條文跟他們的條文行政院版的條文就不是就就他們剛都講過了嗯 |
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誰要說明主席各位我是人事總署的代表針對陳英文剛剛提的那個地方跟大家說明一下依照現在目前10月底的那個離島的一個統計資料剛剛陳英文有提到是說原住民在三離島的話目前是2307人 |
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整個離島的話人口總是26萬人所以他的那個比例的話只有佔0.87%而已那如果就勞動力人口總數來看的話原住民的話是1935人然後離島的話是95000多人所以他這樣一算下來的話勞動力人口原住民的部分也只有0.99% |
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那我們現在規定是說至少要一趴好那我們先看目前狀況目前的話是連五類人員五類人員先排除掉那個就是離島三縣市目前根據我們的統計資料離島三縣市目前只有三個 |
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五類人員只有三個好那離島三縣市他主要的公務人員的來源有兩個一個就是地方特考另外一個是就是未來考試院已經要推的離島特考那 |
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地方特考跟離島特考幾乎公務員部分都是由當地的人在考那除非是說我們原住民有邏輯在在離島站線室而且他們也願意去考所謂的離島特考或者是地方特考才有辦法進到公部門那另外一塊離島最多的話就是警消人力那警消的人力又涉及到那個警察特考消防特考那個部分的話可能又是屬於專業的所以 |
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目前的狀況並沒有說否定原住民優秀的原住民可以進到公部門可是目前的狀況的話就是來源會比較少那如果我們硬要定了一個數字在那邊的話可能對於離島三縣市未來的用人會比較有一點緊張啦以上說明 |
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這個其實不是只有公務人員而已就是還有這個我們特別看了那個約聘人員約聘五類約聘等一下我看一下對你們那個部分也要看一下我們看的不太一樣 |
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那我還是覺得我們還是要再討論好不好因為我覺得每個委員的版本其實也都不一樣那行政單位這邊都有不同的說法那就是讓哲齊我們再來做討論那他們有充分的討論之後我們再來選就比較好一點那個陳委員因為你沒有去看行政院的版本 |
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他要把這個公務人員跟非公務人員併在一起算了而不是在那個離島不離島的問題了啦 |
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所以他是把併在一起算了他就不同意單獨列了所以這個部分重點在這裡所以這個樓昭偉還有莊委員才會說這個再繼續溝通盡速的溝通所以這個部分就是這樣好 各位有沒有意見 |
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那我們就如召委跟中衛選委員就說這個令定期審查好謝謝 |
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討論事項第二案原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案所列議案令定期繼續審查討論事項第三案姓名條例部分條文修正草案 |
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令定期繼續審查本市會議議事錄授權由由召集委員依然確定請問各位委員有沒有異議我們就確定本市議程處理完畢 |
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現在上會 |
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第16屆立法院第11屆立法院第12屆立法院第13屆立法院第14屆立法院第15屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院 |
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第16屆立法委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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第16屆立法院第12屆立法院議員委員會主任委員會主任委員會主席 |