| IVOD_ID |
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| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153354 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-30T10:48:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-30T10:59:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/bbbc431469b8aebaffab3a294d8f02281766e5648a1e6b71beba37a180c9b1cde185865d7265e4505ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:48:50 - 10:59:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【5月27日、5月29日及5月30日三天一次會】） |
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邱委員志偉：（10時49分）謝謝主席，是不是請國發會劉主委主委？ |
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主委你好。因為您是國發會主委，也是行政院政務委員。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：是的。 |
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邱委員志偉：作為政務委員，你督導經濟部及相關的財經部門，包括財政部、金管會都是由你督導，經濟部底下又有台電，所以你相關的發言，雖然你個人說你不排斥核電，你關心的次序應該是電夠不夠、低碳發電夠不夠，最後就是淨零，所以你不排斥核電是你個人意見，還是未來政策規劃的方向？ |
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劉主任委員鏡清：我當時只是在表達我們願意接受公開的討論，但是就我個人當時跟總統談的2050的路徑裡面是沒有核能的，就是我在負責減碳這個部分。 |
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邱委員志偉：因為核能…… |
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劉主任委員鏡清：非核家園的終極目標還是要實現。 |
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邱委員志偉：這個議題不僅是非常高度專業，也是非常政治性，所以您的發言，當然我相信你的專業，從產業界有你的看法，但是你動見觀瞻，你的一言一行，因為你督導經濟部，那會讓外界認為你不排斥核電，如果你最關心的事項是會不會缺電、電夠不夠，如果電不夠的時候，人家的邏輯上會直接去聯想，未來核能重啟是不是一個選項。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：是，這個我學到了。 |
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邱委員志偉：所以你不是主委而已，你是政務委員，你要協調各部會的政策。你也提到未來的綠氫，綠氫有幾個階段？有灰氫、有藍氫、有綠氫，對不對？你說明年度要投入去碳燃氫的發電計劃。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：是藍綠氫。 |
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邱委員志偉：藍綠氫，事實上台電已經有了，台電去年在興達電廠就用燃氣混氫5%的示範電廠，2025年大概就可以正式發電，這個計畫已經成熟了，中研院有相關的成果，具體落實在興達電廠，初步是混氫5%，再慢慢做一個示範，如果成效好，我們再繼續推廣。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：我希望未來綠氫可成為一個主要的發電方式，但是這部分還有待科學上更多的克服，其他國家也做得很好，我們也需要迎頭趕上。所以有關新的能源，我想國發會未來也要督促及協調跟經濟部怎麼樣讓新的能源、綠能、再生能源能夠達到更多的比例。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：我想請教主委，有關新經濟移民法，賴總統在當行政院長的時候曾經提出這個新經濟移民法，有一段時間也成為國發會主推的優先法案，是解決人才跟人力的雙缺口，因為人力不足，人口結構改變，少子化、高齡化的狀況，臺灣非常嚴重，對不對？高齡的勞動參與率、少子化的狀況是全球最嚴重的國家之一，我們大概跟南韓、日本差不多，這個狀況都非常嚴重。有關新經濟移民法，你現在當主委，會不會把當時我們賴總統當行政院長時所推的新經濟移民法重新來推動？我覺得要整合為一個好的法案，而不是各部會各行其是，這個效果我覺得是事半功倍，如果有一個專法來整合各部會，由國發會來主推，您的看法怎麼樣？ |
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劉主任委員鏡清：這個我們可以研究一下，因為就我瞭解，我們現在是有人才專法，是讓高階的人才可以快速地移民進來。 |
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邱委員志偉：對，但我覺得是治標不治本，你要有一個專法，各方面解決人才跟人力的雙缺口，不只人力，還有人才。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：是，我們回去研究，跟您回報。 |
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邱委員志偉：這是賴總統當行政院長主推的優先法案，行政院長換人之後，當然就有不同思考，這個給你做參考。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：好，謝謝。 |
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邱委員志偉：那你不提，我會來提，我覺得要有一個專法來推動我們人才跟人力不足的問題，來解決這個問題。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：另外，您有跟數發部的黃部長，有關AI的生態園區，北部要設立一個生態園區，南部要設立一個生態園區，數發部是您督導的嗎？ |
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劉主任委員鏡清：不是。 |
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邱委員志偉：好，沒關係，你是主委，跟數發部黃部長趕快討論一下，趕快把這個AI生態園區能夠落實，先找一個點出來，北部當然陳超明委員可能願意，陳超明委員在苗栗，可能有希望；南部的話，我當然希望是在橋頭科學園區，它是半導體S廊帶的中心點，北有南科，中間有路科還有橋科，還有楠梓產業園區，所以你把AI生態園區設在橋頭園區，現在橋頭已經在規劃第二期，我期待這個AI的園區，因為我們條件都非常適合，IC設計、晶圓製造、封裝測試，什麼都在北高雄，所以未來是不是可以考慮把這個AI生態園區設置在北高雄？ |
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劉主任委員鏡清：我下午會跟黃部長開會，我會轉達委員的意見來討論。 |
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邱委員志偉：不是，不是轉達，你要深入研究，我可以幫你做簡報，我可以跟你做簡報…… |
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劉主任委員鏡清：沒有、沒有，好，我們來研究。 |
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邱委員志偉：因為所有的條件我都非常清楚，我可以跟你做簡報，讓你更清楚整個圖像、整個條件，然後你選擇出一個最好的地點，所以北高雄是最好的一個點。 |
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另外，針對所得分配的狀況，先講一下女性的勞參率，你看比起其他國家如香港、日本、南韓，我們女性的勞參率是比較低的，中老年再度就業、銀髮族的勞參率也是偏低，不管是中老年或是青壯人口，或者是女性的勞參率，相對比其他鄰近國家還低，必須把這個原因找出來，然後提出解決方案及誘因，來鼓勵臺灣女性的勞參率可以提高。主委，這個應該是列為你們的工作計畫之一吧？ |
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劉主任委員鏡清：謝謝委員提醒，我們會就這個題目去研究。 |
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邱委員志偉：另外，你的報告裡面，在醫療服務的部分，有關AI在臨床上的落地應用，我看你的報告有提到這一點，所以你要怎麼樣確保醫療AI的安全跟效益？這個很重要。所以有關其安全性及效益，你要先建置一個相對應的倫理準則，因為你的報告也提到這一點，好像上一次的報告裡面沒有提到這一點，所以我發現你有這個想法，你要怎麼突破醫療資料的使用困境？你們要去思考這個問題，你的想法是怎麼樣？ |
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劉主任委員鏡清：是，同意。 |
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邱委員志偉：不是，同意，但你要有想法。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：這個需要改善，我們現在其實是跟相關單位這邊正在主導健康臺灣的政策，數位醫療是放在裡面很重要的一項，也是…… |
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邱委員志偉：對，我說你同意我的觀點，固然是好事，我很開心，但是你要有你的想法，國發會要有你的主張、有你的政策、有你執行的時程，這個部分…… |
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劉主任委員鏡清：是的，會啦，這是我的專業，我會提出一些我們的看法。 |
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邱委員志偉：主席站起來了，因為後面還有委員要發言。以後還有很多機會跟主委再來討論，就是說您又是主委、又是政委，所以你的發言是動見觀瞻，很容易被顯微鏡擴大來檢視，也有可能被放大鏡來把你的話無限上綱地延伸，所以這個要提醒您。謝謝。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：是，謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝邱志偉委員。 |
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主委，南部的AI生態園區就設在邱志偉委員的選區，我支持、贊成；但是北部的話要設在苗栗，大矽谷計畫，就是我們的苗栗園區，好不好？你同意他也要同意我啊！ |
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劉主任委員鏡清：這可能還要跟…… |
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主席：好，我瞭解，都支持。 |
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現在鍾佳濱委員替代羅美玲委員先行質詢。現在請鍾佳濱委員質詢。 |
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邱議瑩 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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呂玉玲 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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張嘉郡 |
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陳超明 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
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請邱志偉委員質詢。謝謝主席。是不是請國話會劉主委。 |
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主委您好,因為您是國會主委也是行政院的政務委員是的你作為政務委員,你督導包括經濟部包括相關的財經部門是的包括財政部、經管會,大家都你督導那經濟部門底下又台電所以對你相關的發言,雖然你個人說這個你不排斥核電 |
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議員議員議員 |
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還是未來政策規劃的方向?我當時只是在表達這個就是我們願意接受公開的討論但是就我的了解就是現在就個人我當時跟總統談的2050的路徑裡面是沒有核能的就是我在檢探負責檢探這個部分非核家園還是會要終極目標要實現 |
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邱志偉 |
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是,這個我學到了 |
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所以你不是主委而已,你是政委員,政委員你要協調各部會的政策那你知道你也說到這個未來綠青綠青有幾個階段,有灰青有藍青要綠青你說明年度你要投入這個去看藍青的發電計畫是藍綠青藍綠青,事實上台電已經有了 |
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昨年在新達電廠我們就用這個燃氣混清5%的這個示範電廠那今年2025大概就是發電這個計畫已經成熟終於有這個相關的成果那具體落實在新達電廠 |
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是的。 |
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新經濟移民法 |
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我們總統賴總統在當行政院議長的時候曾經提出這個新經濟移民法也是在國會發會有一段時間成為國會發會主推的這個優先法案當時解決人才跟人力的雙缺口 |
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﹚邱志偉 |
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現階段如果你現在當主委會不會把這個當時我們賴總統當行政院長所推的新濟民法重新來推動我覺得要整合一個好的法案而不是各部分各部會是各行其事那這個效果我覺得是事半功倍那如果有一個專法來整合各部會那由國會去主推您的看法怎麼樣 |
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這個我們可以研究一下啦因為就我了解我們現在是有人才專法是讓高階的人才可以快速的移民進來我覺得是治標但不治本你要有一個專法 |
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⋯⋯⋯ |
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委員會主席 |
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北部要設立一個生態園區南部要設立一個生態園區大概就是您跟蘇發部蘇發部是您督導的嗎?不是沒關係你用主委跟蘇發部黃部長趕快討論一下趕快把這個AI生態的園區能夠落實落實先找一個點出來北部當然這個陳昌明可能他願意陳昌明委員在苗栗可能有希望 |
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邱志偉 |
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所以你把AI生態園區設在橋頭園區我期待能夠把這個AI的這個園區因為我們條件都非常適合IC設計、晶圓製造、封鑽測試什麼都在北高雄所以未來是不是可以考慮把這個AI生態園區把它設置在北高雄 |
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我下午會跟黃部長開會我會轉達委員的意見來討論不是轉達你要深入研究我可以幫你做簡報我會給你做簡報所有條件我都非常清楚我可以做簡報讓你更清楚整個圖像整個條件然後你選擇出一個最好的一個地點所以北高雄是最好的一個點 |
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另外針對所得分配的狀況先講一下女性的勞參率因為勞參率比起其他國家香港、日本、南韓我們女性的勞參率是比較低的 |
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中老年在度就業中老年的這個銀髮族的這個勞參率也是偏低不管是中老年或者是這個青壯人口或者是這個女性的勞參率相對其他鄰近國家還低必須把這個原因找出來提出解決方案誘因來鼓勵這個台灣女性的勞參率可以提高 |
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謝謝主委 這個應該是列為你們這個工作計畫之一吧謝謝委員提醒我們會登這個題目去研究那另外就是說未來這個你的報告裡面有AI在臨床上就是說醫療服務的部分你AI在臨床上落地運用我看你的報告也有提到這一點 |
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所以你要怎麼樣確保這個醫療AI的安全跟效益是很重要所以你要這安全性效益你要先建置一個相對應的這個倫理準則 |
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因為你報告有提到這一點那這也是你好像上一次的報告裡面沒有提到這一點我發現你有這個想法你要怎麼突破醫療資料的這個使用的困境這裡面去思考這個問題 你的想法是怎麼樣是 同意不是 同意 這個需要改善 這個需要改善 這個 |
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我們現在是跟其實跟外務這邊現在正在主導一塊健康台灣的政策裡面數位醫療是放在裡面很重要的一項我同意我的觀點當然過程是好事我很開心但是你要有你的想法你要國發會國發會有你的主張有你的政策有你實行的這個時程是的會啦這是我的專業我會提出一些我們的看法 |
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謝謝邱主委員 |