| IVOD_ID |
153332 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153332 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-30T10:14:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-30T10:23:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:14:32 - 10:23:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【5月27日、5月29日及5月30日三天一次會】） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（10時14分）主席、各位委員。有請主任委員。 |
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主席：我們再請主委。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：主委好。還不是很熟悉的資訊或是條文，你就說：我回去再好好看。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：是，謝謝。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：立法院職權行使法三讀通過，不是台積電的人隨便就可以請來，要調查資料就請他提供資料，不是啊！這次修正的第四十五條，「立法院為有效行使憲法所賦予之職權」，第一句話，憲法所賦予之職權。然後經過立法院院會決議，設調查委員會，或者是委員會的決議，設專案小組。然後調查委員會、調查專案小組得要求有關機關就特定案件事項提供參考資料，要求有關人員出席。它有一定的程序、一定的條件，是要立法院有關的職權，而且是要憲法賦予的職權，不是隨便就可以啊！一定是有官商勾結的可能性才會嘛！台積電沒有啊！剛才有委員舉的那些案例，不會有啊！就沒有啊！所以立法院行使調查權，不得逾越調查目的、事項與範圍，還要尊重相關的這些規定，所以它都有一些非常明確的範圍，而且主委，這些條文不是國民黨、民眾黨所創的，早期顧立雄國防部部長也提過，現在的外交部部長林佳龍也提過，我知道主委一定沒有時間看這個，所以不要輕易地回應，我們回去再好好看。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我先談這個，「調查委員會或調查專案小組為行使調查權，得要求政府機關、部隊、法人……」，這個條文是尤美女委員、林佳龍委員過去所提的條文，所以這個部分都有一個非常嚴謹的規範，不會隨便侵犯到人民的權利，如果侵犯到人民的權利，他也可以提出另外一個相關的途徑，所以這個都有。 |
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另外，剛才賴瑞隆委員特別提到虛偽陳述，在我們的中華民國刑法裡面就有什麼叫虛偽陳述，公務人員本來就不能虛偽陳述，我相信我們的公務人員都不會，我當了30年的公務員，來到立法院也很多年，我也第四屆了，我們的公務員百分之九十九，甚至百分之一百都不會虛偽陳述，只有極少數的政務官，也很少啦！所以會碰到這種事情也真的很少。然後促進轉型正義條例也有，對機關、團體啊！像救國團，對不對？一樣可以啊！所以都有，也不能虛偽陳述，這是對人民，都有啊！促進轉型正義條例也有，我們當初也沒有說怎麼樣啊！所以這個部分不要擴大，所以還不是很熟悉條文的時候，就說我回去再好好看就好了，好不好？ |
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劉主任委員鏡清：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，我們還是回到原點。今天國發會的報告裡面提到，「惟受到美中競爭等地緣政治紛擾影響」，我們就是要去避免，尤其是我們的總統，我們是很少有機會，幾乎沒有機會碰到總統，你這個國發會主委有機會碰到總統，就要告訴他，臺灣要避免戰爭，要和平。所以一個就職典禮的演說也是很重要的，不只是美中，我們不要陷入美中競爭的地緣政治，這個是最重要的。然後國發會的報告裡面也提到，落實總統「人民作主、開放政府」的政見，這裡面你提到原住民族數位不平等，確實，原住民族數位不平等，所以要去協調NCC、協調數發部，未來原住民在進行相關的中長程計畫的時候，也是請給予支持。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：因為時間的關係，我就把一些跟原住民比較有關係的重點點出來，「完成所做國家檔案館的建設」，因為我過去在臺灣省政府服務過很多機關，從法規會、社會處、省府的秘書處到原住民行政的部門，我到中央原民會服務也將近10年，因為原住民專責的行政單位後來才成立，而過去的檔案很多在民政廳，很多在其他的廳處，所以省政府的這些檔案，我曾經去你們的檔案局，你們現在是檔案局嘛？ |
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劉主任委員鏡清：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我曾經去你們現在的檔案局，也就是新莊檔案局調資料，有的調得到，有的調不到。這是非常珍貴的檔案資料，所以我要請主委，尤其是局長，把這些與原住民族相關的重要檔案好好整理，有個專檔，有一個專檔，這樣查的話會比較比較方便，而不是現在這樣。既然要成立，不是只有一個大樓啦，更重要的是裡面的資料！ |
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還有哪裡？省議會，過去的政治中心。尤其原住民的資料很多都在省議會裡面。現在沒有省諮議會了，但法律上還有，過去省諮議會還在的時候曾經整理過，可能還沒有完成，所以需要繼續處理，可以嗎？ |
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劉主任委員鏡清：可以。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：另外，有關花東基金綜合發展實施方案，花東地區發展條例在民國100年由立法院三讀通過，自民國101年開始有花東基金。101年到現在已經十幾年了，卻還是一樣四年一期40億。如果按照物價指數及各方面來看，我認為應該調整、應該調高，而且應該按照現在的規定做滾動檢討，將額度調高。所以這部分也請滾動檢討相關的措施，因為確實有需要，畢竟10年前就是40億，現在已經第四期了，既然是第四期，就應該要再做調整，好不好？ |
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劉主任委員鏡清：是，我們會回去研究。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，謝謝。 |
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主席：接下來我們請張嘉郡委員做詢答。 |
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接下來我們請鄭天財委員請做巡討主席、各位委員有請主任委員我們再請主委主委好這個還不是很熟悉的 |
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這個資訊或是條文你就說我回去再好好看是謝謝我們立法院之前行使法三讀通過不是隨便的人可以啊台積電的人隨便就可以請來啊調查資料請他提供資料不是啊 |
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第15條這次修正的條文立法院為有效行使憲法所賦予之職權第一計畫憲法所賦予之職權然後經過立法院院會的決議設調查委員會或是委員會的決議設專案小組然後調查委員或調查專案小組 |
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得要求有關機關或特定案件事項提供參考的資料要求有關人員出席他有一定的程序有一定的條件而是要立法院有關的職遣憲法而且是這樣憲法賦予的職遣不是隨便可以一定是跟有關商郭傑的可能性 |
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104.929 |
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132.68 |
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的彩會：台積電沒有：剛才有委員指的那些案例不會有：就沒有：所以立法院行使調查前：不得一夜調查的目的事項與範圍：還要尊重相關的這些規定：所以他都有一些非常明確的：而且：主委這些條文：不是國民黨民眾黨所創的： |
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160.253 |
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早期的我們的顧立雄國防部部長也提過現在的外交部部長林佳榮他也提過所以這個部分我知道主委已經一定沒有時間看這個啦所以不要輕易的回應我回去再好好看向西委陳述 |
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161.673 |
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176.469 |
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向西委陳述：我先談這個：調查委員或調查專案小組未行使調查員得要求採訪政府機關部隊法人 這個條文是由梅尼委員、林佳龍委員過去的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
177.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
196.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
所以這個部分他都有一個非常嚴謹的不會隨便侵犯到人民的權利如果侵犯到人民的權利他也可以提出相關的另外一個相關的途徑所以這個都有另外就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
215.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
特別提到剛才賴委員提到稀微陳述稀微陳述在我們的中華民國刑法裡面就有什麼叫稀微陳述公務員本來就不能稀微陳述我相信我們的公務員都不會我是30年的公務員 |
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217.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
241.244 |
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來到立法院也很多為第4屆了我們的公務員99%甚至100%都不會稀微陳述只有極少數的政務官也很少啦所以會碰到這種事情也真的很少然後促進轉型正義條例也有啊對機關團體啊對像那個救國團啊 |
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246.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
247.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
今天國發會的報告裡面提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
275.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
298.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
受到美中競爭等地緣政治紛擾的影響我們就是要去避免尤其是我們的總統你沒有機會我們是很少有機會幾乎沒有機會碰到總統你這個國會主委有機會碰到總統就要告訴他要避免 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
300.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
326.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
臺灣要避免戰爭要和平所以一個就職典禮的演說也是很重要的所以這不只是美中我們不要陷入這個美中競爭的地緣政治這個是最重要是我們自己要很重要的然後國會的報告裡面若使總統人民做主開放政府的政見所以這個部分這裡面你提到原住民主數不平等確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
328.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
346.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
原住民組數位不平等需要去協調NCC協調國書發部未來原住民有關相關的這些中長城計畫的時候也是請給予支持這裡面提到因為時間的關係我就擺一些重點跟原住民比較有關係的 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
348.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
372.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
完成所作國家檔案館的建設因為我過去從台灣省政府服務過在台灣省政府服務過很多的機關法規會、社會處、省府的秘書處到原住民行政的部門我也常常我到中央人民會服務也將近10年 |
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374.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
398.646 |
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現在因為過去的檔案 原住民專責的行政單位後來才成立 很多在民政廳 那很多在其他的廳處 所以省政府的這些檔案 我曾經去你們的檔案 你們現在檔案擠嘛 我去了這個新莊檔案擠去調資料 有的調得到 有的調不到 |
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399.771 |
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416.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
所以這個部分這是一個非常珍貴的一個檔案資料所以我要請這個主委尤其是局長把原住民主的相關的這些重要的檔案能夠把它好好地整理有一個專檔有一個專檔 |
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419.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
447.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
而不是這樣找的會比較方便所以這個部分也請這個既然要成立就把它好好的不是只有一個大樓啦更重要的是裡面的資料還有哪裡呢?省議會過去政治的中心尤其是原住民的部分是在很多都在省議會的資料裡面過去省支議會還在的時候現在沒有省支議會了法律上還有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
448.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
470.183 |
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省執議會當初有曾經整理過﹖所以可能還沒有完成﹖所以繼續的來處理﹖可以嗎﹖可以。這裡面我剛講過了另外就是說這個綜合發展就是花東基金的花東基金這個綜合發展實施方案 |
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471.786 |
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498.107 |
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花東第7發展條例是民國100年立法院三度通過民國101年開始有花東基金101年到現在已經十幾年了然後還是現在都還是一樣4年一起4年一起還是40億所以這個如果按照物價指數各方面應該調整應該調高 |
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501.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
513.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
而且是可以按照現在的規定就可以滾動檢討但是這個額度應該要做調高所以這個部分也請這個滾動檢討相關的這些確實是有需要因為這個10年前就是40億 |
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524.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
524.847 |
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好,謝謝 |