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153280 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153280 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-29T12:13:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-29T12:20:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/2c978e04ca5e1331ac5bef522e7632255c2a8e696f21355cc09f7998a2d5a4c1c45c48c28a1760735ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:13:38 - 12:20:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（12時13分）主席，請主計長。 |
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主席：有請主計長。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：主計長好，恭喜你！ |
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陳主計長淑姿：謝謝委員。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：你曾經在行政院主計總處服務過。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：民國90年。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：到臺南。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我那時候在原民會。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：是，我知道。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我是老公務員，30年的老公務員，從省政府到中央。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：是，我們在省政府也有共事過。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以這個部分還是要請主計長和行政院主計總處的所有同仁能夠再次瞭解原住民的困境。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我們看111年原住民就業者參加勞保的情形，原住民無勞保之勞工，就是勞工但沒有勞保，有4萬553人；112年又增加到5萬2,002人，一直增加。沒有勞保的話，就沒有辦法給予很多相關的各方面協助，事實上，我在106年就已經質詢過，勞動部當時的司長，就是勞保局局長，他已經退休了，當時的司長也開過三次會議，最後一次在106年7月10日，要編列預算，但是沒有錢，一直到現在都沒有解決。事實上，原住民族基本法第二十六條第二項規定，政府對原住民參加社會保險無力負擔者，得予補助，這個非常非常的重要，這個部分請勞動部跟主計總處能夠互相協調，給予最大的支持，可以嗎？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：據同仁所提供的資料，勞工職業災害保險法裡面已經有提供原民勞工職災給付的保障，所以他本身如果有這些的保障，就能解決沒有參加勞保的問題。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：那個部分我來說明，那個只是其中之一，有勞保跟沒有勞保差很多，平常生病及平常對於這些相關勞保的協助都有。再講到職災，職災的時候如果他有勞保，我們就講今年0403地震，有一個開大貨車的被石頭壓到過世了，職災只能用最基本工資，最低的那個勞保啊，如果他有勞保的話，那個差距就很大，所以這個部分還是有差別，好不好？我希望能夠讓主計長瞭解，還有主計總處同仁也瞭解，原漢的平均餘命落差很大，所以我們常常會有訴求，像國民年金法就是原住民是55歲；公教人員退休，原住民是55歲，還有很多還沒有完成的，比如勞工還有其他的，都是需要降低年齡。 |
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再來看原漢平均收入差距也是很大，所得就有影響。再者，包括失業率、粗在學率，教育是向上提升最重要的，這些為什麼要跟主計總處講呢？你看107學年度粗在學率原漢的落差，全國是85.8，原住民53.9，差距是31.9。但是到了111學年度，全國88.9，原住民56.5，雖然我們也上升了，但是差距加大為32.4，有很大的原因是什麼呢？因為我們原住民的升學保障，原住民族教育法有升學保障，那是外加2%，外加不影響一般學生的升學，我們是外加2%，以前沒有，以前不是外加，只要加分就可以考上，現在是外加2%。外加2%的結果是怎麼樣呢？就跑到私立大學了，就繳不起那些學費。所以這次選舉前私立大學增加了很多的補助，對不對？但是對原住民毫無幫助，因為原住民不會在那邊，所以這個部分變成是要根據原住民族教育法，怎麼樣讓我們的孩子能夠考上、就學，並且怎麼樣給予協助，就是變成主計總處要支持教育部，增加相關的就學補助，可以嗎？好不好？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：盡力。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：請主計長多多幫忙。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：是。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭天財委員的質詢。 |
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繼續請楊瓊瓔委員、楊瓊瓔委員、楊瓊瓔委員不在。 |
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鄭正鈐委員、鄭正鈐委員、鄭正鈐委員不在。 |
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謝衣鳯委員、謝衣鳯委員、謝衣鳯委員不在。 |
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羅智強委員、羅智強委員、羅智強委員不在。 |
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何欣純委員、何欣純委員、何欣純委員不在。 |
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洪孟楷委員、洪孟楷委員、洪孟楷委員不在。 |
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林楚茵委員、林楚茵委員、林楚茵委員不在。 |
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今日登記發言的委員已詢答完畢，本次會議作如下決定：一、報告及詢答完畢；二、委員質詢及委員質詢未及答復或請補充資訊，請行政院主計總處於一週內以書面答復，委員另有要求期限者，從其所定。 |
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本次會議議程已進行完畢，倘有不在委員補提書面資料，一併列入紀錄，刊登公報，並請議事人員協助處理。散會。 |
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散會（12時20分） |
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立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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委員好主計長好恭喜你謝謝謝謝委員這個你曾經在行政院主計總處服務過是民國90年 |
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我那時候在延明會我是老公務員三四年老公務員從省政府到中央我們在省政府也有共事過所以這個部分還是要請主計長還有我們行政院主計總處的同仁能夠再次了解原住民的困境 |
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我們看111年這個原住民就業者參加勞保的情形原住民無勞保之勞工他是勞工但是沒有勞保的4萬0553人112年這又增加到5萬2002人一直增加 |
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委員會主席 |
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執行委員會執行委員會執行委員會執行委員會執行 |
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事實上嚴住民族基本法26條第二項規定政府對嚴住民參加社會保險無力負擔者得以補助所以這個非常非常的重要這個部分請勞動部跟主計總處能夠互相的協調給最大的支持可以嗎 |
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因為就同仁提供資料裡面他就是說在勞工職業災害保險法裡面呢他已經有提供那個原民勞工的一個職災給付的一個保障那所以這個部分呢他本身如果有這些的保障就能解決那些沒有參加那個部分我來說明 |
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那個只是其中之一啦有勞保跟沒有勞保差很多啊平常生病平常這個什麼相關的這些勞保的這些協助都有嘛好講到植栽植栽的時候如果他有勞保我們就講這次的0403地震呢有一個開大號車的被大壓石頭壓過濕了 |
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指摘他只能用什麼呢﹖最基本工資啊﹖最低的那個勞保啊﹖如果他有勞保的話那個差距就很大啊﹖所以這個部分還是有差別好不好 |
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讓主計長瞭解還有我們主計總策同仁也瞭解我們的平均移民落差很大沿漢的平均移民落差很大所以我們常常會有訴求所以像國民年金法就是原住民是55歲公教退休原住民是55歲還有很多還沒有完成的比如說勞工的還有其他的 |
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都是需要去降低他的年齡我們看這個平均收入我們的差距差距也是很大連漢的平均收入差距也很大所得就有影響我們的失業率我們的這個出債協力教育是向上提升最重要的對不對教育向上提升最重要的 |
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這裡面為什麼要跟這個主計總處講呢你看我們107斜年度沿漢的落差那時候107斜年度全國是85.8原住民53.9差距是31.9 |
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但是到了111斜年度全國88.9原住民56.5雖然我們也上升了但是差距加大了32.4有很大的原因是什麼呢因為我們原住民的那個身血保障 |
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原住民族教育法有升學保障但是是外加百分之二外加不影響一般學生的升學我們是外加百分之二以前沒有以前不是外加只要加分就可以考上現在是外加百分之二外加百分之二的結果是怎麼樣呢就跑到私立大學了就繳不起那些學費所以這次選舉前 |
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增加了很多的補助私立大學對不對但是對原住民毫無幫助啊因為原住民不會在那邊的所以這個部分啊這個就變成是說能夠根據原住民族教育法怎麼樣讓我們的能夠考上就學了怎麼樣讓他能夠協助就是變成主計總處要支持教育部增加那個相關的這些就學的一個補助可以嗎 |
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謝謝鄭天財委員的質詢。接著請楊瓊瑩委員、楊瓊瑩委員、楊瓊瑩委員不在、鄭振賢委員、鄭振賢委員、鄭振賢委員不在、謝一鳳委員、謝一鳳委員、謝一鳳委員不在、羅志強委員、羅志強委員、羅志強委員不在、何新春委員、何新雄委員、何新雄委員不在、 |