| IVOD_ID |
153279 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153279 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-29T12:02:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-29T12:13:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
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| 委員名稱 |
羅明才 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:02:30 - 12:13:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。） |
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羅委員明才：（12時2分）主席、各位委員、出列席官員，大家早安、大家好！主席，可不可以請陳淑姿陳主計長？ |
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主席：有請陳主計長。 |
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羅委員明才：陳主計長，你好。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：委員好。 |
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羅委員明才：你現在可以說是最重要的管錢的人，像財神爺，每個人看到你，特別是每縣市都是嗷嗷待哺，剛剛陳玉珍委員講到金門，金門是離島，要多多照顧。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：是。 |
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羅委員明才：因為有您多照顧，明天才會變得更好，因為離島過去資源不多，物產也不豐，都靠自給自足，要多補助一點，以全國22縣市來說，主計長覺得還有哪一個地方應該多補助一點？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：因為要補助的縣市也很多啦，每個縣市都喊窮說沒有錢，對於這個部分，我們在一般性的補助，我們都有給一個保證，保證就是說會成長，所以我們每一年在分配的時候，都有保證每一年固定成長2%到3%。 |
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羅委員明才：對，但是因為你是新來的，新擔任這個職務，就這二、三十年來看，我覺得這個職務是相當重要的，因為運籌帷幄，那怎麼樣讓地方自主性可以增加，以前經常講一鄉一特色，或者運用什麼樣的加持力量，讓它可以有自主性的發展。比如以也是臺灣之光NVIDIA Jetson的黃仁勳為例，他現在回來臺灣，要在高雄設廠，其實他本來在臺灣就有公司了，員工也有上千人，都有在做。我覺得中央應該要統籌力量，怎麼樣平均的來分配？比如說新竹是半導體的重鎮，那就有一個特色，所以在過去民國七十幾年的時候，因為有打下這樣的基礎，所以能夠開枝散葉，整個半導體核心就能夠廣布，很平均的上下游這個鏈就生成了，我覺得主計長位置的重要性，就是農林漁牧或者是觀光也好，像剛剛講的離島，你要賦予離島有其特性，那每個人都來要錢，當然錢是越多越好，可是你在給預算的同時，也希望能多多跟他們聊聊看，當地的教育文化、過去的歷史特性，有沒有什麼可以給予重點支持？比如說泰國好了，講到泰國，主計長最先想到的是他們的什麼產業比較發達？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：泰國的產業……，是觀光吧？ |
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羅委員明才：對，你不要害怕，你要胸有成竹，你的經驗很豐富，就是觀光，所以他們的產業鏈就形成了。所以我希望在一般性補助或是特別補助，你們在統籌統支，中央的立場在分配的時候，可以除了照顧之外，另外還可以求未來性的發展。 |
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接下來我們再提到財劃法的問題，大概已經等了25年了，地方都嗷嗷待哺，本席也希望多聽聽主計長多年來在公務生涯的經驗，你除了在臺南待過，還在哪邊待過？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：省政府。 |
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羅委員明才：省政府也待過？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：行政院主計總處也待過。 |
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羅委員明才：都待過，所以就你的經驗，你趕快把數字準備出來，希望你能給予大家一個比較公平及有建設性的建議，第一是貧富懸殊不要越來越大，第二是給錢的同時，你要教他釣魚，要怎麼樣帶動地方發展，或者是缺少的部分，你們就要媒合，去拜託經濟部啊。過去的沈部長、後來的行政院副院長，我覺得他對臺灣貢獻就很大，當初他跟這些AI很成功的全世界大概是前四大，他大概每個都有接觸過，然後他們來臺灣的時候都跟他們探討，怎麼樣把這些技術，或者他們缺晶片，他馬上把管道連接上，所以希望主計長也扮演好為每個地方、為國家多多做事的重責大任。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：是。 |
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羅委員明才：另外就是過去主計的預測好像都失準，準確度都不高，比如你們對今年經濟成長率估計多少？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：3.43。 |
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羅委員明才：多少？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：3.43。 |
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羅委員明才：3.43，去年估的時候呢？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：去年是比較低啦，去年是低一點。 |
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羅委員明才：去年估2點多，2點多到3點之間差很多耶，對不對？因為差一個0.1的百分比就差多少？多少的數字？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：差0.1的百分比喔，它是用GDP的…… |
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羅委員明才：1%是多少代表？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：200多億啦。 |
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羅委員明才：對不對？所以這個金額都是很大的，我也期許主計長把餅做大，我希望在你的資源裡面稍微盤點一下，多多注重民生大家關心的議題。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：是。 |
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羅委員明才：比如說有些產業，你們跟各部會要聊一下，比如像toro，toro的價格最近怎麼樣？就是鮪魚、生魚片。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：降到200塊。 |
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羅委員明才：更低喔，更低了，以前是一小片可能就是200、300塊，還到500塊，現在是那麼大片，多了一片，價格也變，降很多，所以對這些民生的數字，也希望你們多多瞭解農民的辛苦、漁民的困難，因為量多嘛，量多你就可以請其他單位未雨綢繆，多多促銷。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：好。 |
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羅委員明才：比如一個便當，我們吃的雞腿便當現在一個多少錢？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：我最近在火車站那邊買有85到120塊，然後85塊和100塊的排骨便當，裡面的內容還是不太一樣，所以還是有各種不同的價格，雞排便當大概要100塊。 |
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羅委員明才：對，台鐵便當現在一個大概100塊，雞腿便當變成是120塊，以前大概60、80塊就可以吃得到，現在一直飆漲。其實在漲的同時，你們可以有另外一個機制宣布出來，比如告訴民眾注意現在toro很便宜，所以你們要促銷啊！ |
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陳主計長淑姿：好。 |
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羅委員明才：所以你們第一線去查的這些數字，不是放在辦公室吹冷氣啊，是要把這些數字有效精準的給其他單位，這點可以做得到嗎？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：可以，我們儘量，我們一定努力來做。 |
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羅委員明才：你也可以跟教育部互相聯繫好，因為小朋友營養午餐等等要吃得好、吃得飽，鮪魚現在價格比較低，你就叫他們多使用鮪魚啊，當香蕉量產太多的時候，呼籲大家多吃香蕉，反正這些民生物資，我看以前彭淮南總裁，他貴為央行的總裁，常常微服出巡，希望主計長也可以多多比照，多瞭解一下民間苦人何其多，可以多多站在他們的立場來想事情。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：是。 |
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羅委員明才：最後提醒你，新北市人口有四百多萬人，以前升格到現在中央欠新北市很多錢，該給的統籌分配稅款、一般補助、專案補助都比期待值差很多，希望主計長對這個數字也能多多瞭解一下，我們一起共同為新北市的市民多做爭取，可以嗎？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：是，我們一定盡力。謝謝委員。 |
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羅委員明才：謝謝主計長。 |
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主席：謝謝羅明才委員的質詢。 |
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接著請鄭天財委員質詢。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢 |
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有請陳主計長陳主計長你好你可以說是最重要的管錢的財神爺每個人看到你特別是每縣市都是嗷嗷待哺剛剛有委員陳玉珍成員講到金門金門是離島要多多照顧 |
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有您多照顧明天才會變得更好因為李導過去資源不多然後物產也不豐都靠自給自足要多補助一點那像全國這樣22縣市來說主席還有哪一個地方應該多補助一點 |
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因為要補助的縣市也很多那每個縣市都喊窮說沒有錢我看大部分所以這個部分我們一般我們在一般性的補助我們都有給他說一個保證保證的產品就是說會成長這樣子所以我們每一年在分配的時候都有跟他有一個是保證說每一年固定成長2%到3%這樣子 |
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對,但是因為你是新來的啦先擔任這個職務就這二三十年來看我覺得這個職務是相當重要的啦因為運籌帷幄那怎麼樣來讓地方自主性可以增加以前他在講說一鄉一特色 |
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或者運用什麼樣的加持的力量讓他可以有一個自主性的發展比如說我看到也是臺灣之光這個NVIDIA傑森黃仁勳他現在回來臺灣那要在高雄 |
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要設廠其實他本來在台灣他們就有公司了啦那員工也上千人都有在做那我覺得中央應該統籌一個力量怎麼樣平均的來分配比如說新竹是半導體的重鎮他就有一個特色所以在過去 |
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民國七十幾年的時候因為有打這樣的一個基礎所以他開枝散葉半導體核心整個就廣布很平均的上下有這個鏈生成的我覺得主計長你的位置重要性就是說農林漁牧或者是觀光也好像剛剛講的離島你要賦予他離島 |
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當然每個人都要錢當然錢是越多越好可是你在給錢的給預算的同時也希望能多多跟他們聊聊看當地的教育文化過去的歷史特性有沒有什麼可以重點支持的比如說泰國好了講到泰國主席長你最先想到的是 |
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一般性補助或者是有特別補助 |
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你們在統籌統治中央的立場在分配的時候是可以除了照顧之外另外還可以求未來性的一個發展那接下來我們就有遇到那個財化法的問題最近單位已經等了25年了地方都 |
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歐歐代補本席也是希望多聽聽主計長你多年來在公務生涯的經驗你住在台南待過嗎還在那邊待過省政府也待過行政院主計總處也待過都待過齁所以你的經驗數字你趕快準備出來齁那希望你能給予大家一個比較 |
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公平給大家一個比較有建設性的建議讓第一個貧富懸殊不要越來越大第二個給錢的同時你要叫他釣魚要怎麼樣帶動他地方的發展或者是缺的部分你們就要媒合啊拜託經濟部啊 |
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上次我跟過去的省部長後來行政院副院長我覺得他對台灣貢獻就很大當初他就是跟這些AI的這些很成功的全世界大概前四大他大概每個都有接觸過然後來台灣的時候都跟他們探討怎麼樣 |
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把這些技術或者他們缺晶片他馬上來把管道讓他連接上所以希望主計長可以辦演好為每個地方為國家多多來做事的這樣的一個重責大任另外就是過去主計的預測好像都失真失準準確度都不高 |
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比如說今年經濟成長率你們估計多少3.43去年估的時候呢去年估2點多然後2點多到3點差很多因為你差一個0.1的百分比就差多少多少的數字 |
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他0.1的百分比他是用GDP的1%是多少?代表多少?200多億所以這個金額都是很大的那我也期許主計長就是把餅做大希望在你的資源裡面稍微盤點一下然後多多注重民生大家關心的議題 |
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譬如說有些產業你們跟各部份要聊一下譬如說ToroToro的價格最近怎麼樣生魚片鮪魚啊降到兩百塊啊他是降到兩百塊更低了更低喔更低了以前是一小片可能就是兩百三百還到五百 |
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現在是那麼大片多了一片價格也變降很多所以這名稱的數字你們希望也多多瞭解農民的辛苦漁民的困難因為他量多嘛量多你就可以請其他單位未雨綢繆多多促銷 |
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比如說現在一個便當好了我們吃的便當現在一個多少錢?雞腿便當我最近在火車站那邊買他有85到120然後85和100的排骨便當他裡面的內容還是不太一樣所以他還是有各種不同的價格那雞排便當的話大概要120台鐵便當現在一個大概100塊你要雞腿都變成是120 |
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120那以前大概60、80塊都可以就是可以吃得到現在開始都一直飆漲那主計長其實你可以在漲的同時你們可以有另外一個機制宣布出來說欸民眾注意阿現在Toro很便宜阿你們要促銷阿 |
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所以你們第一線去查的這些數字不是放在辦公室吹冷氣是要把這些數字有效精準的給其他單位這點可以做得到嗎 |
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我們盡量,我們一定努力然後你可以跟教育部阿這邊互相聯繫好阿因為小朋友營養午餐等等要吃得好吃得飽阿你就把這個鮪魚比較低的叫他們多使用鮪魚阿香蕉量產太多的時候大家都多吃香蕉阿 |
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反正這些民生物資的我看以前彭淮仁總裁他貴為央行的總裁常常為福出巡希望主席長你也可以多多比照多了解一下民間苦人何其多可以多多站在他們立場來想事情最後 |
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提醒你新北市人口400多萬人以前升格到現在中央欠新北市很多錢該給的統籌分配稅款一般補助專案補助都比期待值差很多 |
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請鄭天才文質詢 |