| IVOD_ID |
153261 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153261 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-29T11:34:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-29T11:40:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/2c978e04ca5e1331cfe9ef69c34d954d6bfa9387d0b459bdc09f7998a2d5a4c1101d8e2190a533195ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:34:01 - 11:40:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【5月27日及29日二天一次會】） |
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陳委員雪生：（11時34分）謝謝主席，是不是請主委？ |
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主席：請陳主委。 |
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陳主任委員金德：委員早。 |
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陳委員雪生：主委，好久不見。 |
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陳主任委員金德：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：國大代表一下十幾、二十年過去了，現在頭髮都白了，還記得喔！跟昆澤召委，以前我們都在一起打仗。 |
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主席：我比較年輕，好不好？ |
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陳委員雪生：首先要謝謝主委，以前在中油的時候，對我們地區油庫的協助，當然現在還在繼續，我們希望從高雄航線飛馬祖，因為油料的問題，還有油罐車等等，不過主委有機會跟老同事拜託一下，繼續給我們幫忙，好不好？行政院工程會在過去的這些時間，我們馬祖離島偏鄉只要在颱風災害、災損的部分，工程會都是在第一時間派處長級以上的官員蒞臨馬祖給縣政府協助，有一些東西優先可以處理的，馬上立即處理，所以我對工程會的同仁也表示感謝。最近也有一些事情，主要就是在馬祖缺工缺料，主委，你知道臺灣目前缺工，勞動部有沒有引進一批移工進來？您知道嗎？ |
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陳主任委員金德：是針對整體的還是個案？ |
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陳委員雪生：針對全國的，全國它有引進一批勞工。 |
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陳主任委員金德：勞動部應該會針對比方說哪一個案，它的業主會提出需求…… |
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陳委員雪生：你指的是某一些特定的、專業的…… |
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陳主任委員金德：他提出需求，然後經行政院核定之後，它專案再來引進。 |
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陳委員雪生：這個很像是勞動部那邊主管，我是拜託主委有機會的時候，因為臺灣本島就已經缺工缺料了，在金門、馬祖、澎湖更缺工缺料，所以很多的工程都標不出去，沒有人標，為什麼？它沒有兵力、沒有人力，再加上因為航程比較遠，很多的原材物料從臺灣運過去，很多原材物料、鋼鐵等等在臺灣已經就不夠用了，所以運到金門、馬祖去做這些工程相對的困難，取得材料非常的困難；最近也是前瞻計畫工程的高峰期，大家都在搶工人，所以臺灣已經不夠用了，再去馬祖把馬祖這一些以前的老工人再給他請回臺灣來，更顯得馬祖勞動力的不足，所以請主委正視這樣的一個問題，好不好？我想，早上很多的委員都在詢問這方面的事情。 |
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另外，因為缺工而衍生出來很多合約的爭議，工程會有訂定一個採購契約的範本，第七條第三款第一目裡面有規定非可歸責於廠商的情形，當然，這一些是可以延長工期，也有一些非可以歸責於廠商的情形，廠商要檢具相當的證明文件，然後才給予展延。我拜託主委，是不是能夠找一個行政院工程會對金門、馬祖地區比較有基礎的，看看找相關的官員能夠到馬祖去做這一方面的調處，因為行政院工程會是全國最高的工程解釋機關，你們的調處應該是相當具有公信力，如果有發生類似廠商跟公部門之間的合約、契約的問題，是不是請工程會能夠幫忙在這一個部分來調處？請主委回答我。 |
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陳主任委員金德：謝謝委員。履約爭議在進入履約不管是申訴或者是調解之前，還有一個履約的諮詢委員會可以諮詢，所以我們會請工程會就法規跟工程的專業主管，會配合委員的時間到馬祖去，用諮詢的角度來解釋履約這樣的法規或應該做的決定，就是說非正式的調解，希望能夠達成雙方對合約有共同的認識。 |
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陳委員雪生：是的，主委，你派人到馬祖去，不是說只是跟縣政府的工程部門去接觸，也去聽聽營造商公會他們內心的感受還有需求，除了公部門之外，營造業公會也去拜訪一下。主委，這一點你可以做得到嗎？ |
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陳主任委員金德：可以。 |
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陳委員雪生：謝謝主委，也恭喜你了，老同事了，希望你再接再厲，馬祖地區如果有什麼事情，再幫我們忙，好不好？好，謝謝您！ |
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主席：謝謝！陳雪生召委發言完畢，現在請黃健豪委員發言。 |
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謝謝主席是不是請主委請陳主委委員長主委好久不見了是這個國道代表以下十幾二十年過去了大家頭髮都白了還記得齁跟崑澤趙偉我們都在一起打仗以前我比較年輕好不好首先要謝謝主委以前在中遊的時候 |
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行政院工程會在過去的這些時間 |
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我們馬祖離島偏鄉只要在颱風、災害、災損的部分工程會都是在第一時間派處長及以上的官員歷歷馬祖給縣政府協助有一些東西優先可以處理的馬上立即處理所以我也對工程會的同仁也表示感謝最近也有一些事情主要就是缺工缺料 |
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臺灣目前缺工,勞動部有沒有引進一批移工進來?勞動部啊?您知道嗎?針對整體的還是個案?針對全國的 |
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他全國有引進一批勞工嗎?對,勞動部會針對比方說哪一個案那麼他的業主會提出需求指的是某一些特定的專業的對,他提出需求然後經行政院核定之後他專案然後再來引進這個很像是勞動部那邊主管那我是拜託主委就是說有機會的時候因為台灣本島就已經缺工缺料了台灣本島就已經缺工缺料了 |
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那在金門馬祖澎湖更缺工缺料,所以很多的工程都標不出去,沒有人標啊。為什麼?他沒有兵力嘛,沒有人力嘛。再加上因為航程比較遠,很多的原材物料從台灣運過去,那很多原材物料鋼鐵等等在台灣已經就不夠用了。 |
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在台灣已經不夠用了所以運到金門馬祖去做這些工程相對的困難取得材料非常的困難那最近也是前瞻計畫的一個工程的高峰期大家都在搶工人所以台灣已經不夠用了再去馬祖把馬祖這些以前的老工人再給他請回台灣來 |
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那更顯得馬祖勞動力的不足所以請主委正視這樣的一個問題好不好我想早上很多的委員都已經詢問這方面的事情了那另外因為這個缺工而衍生出來很多合約的爭議很多的爭議那麼 |
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工程會有訂定一個採購契約的範本第七條第三款第一幕但裡面有規定非可規則於廠商的情形當然這一些是可以延長工期的 |
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那也有一些非可以規則於廠商的情形,那廠商要檢據相當的證明文件,然後才給予展言。 |
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我拜託主委是不是能夠找一個行政院工程會對金門馬祖地區比較有基礎的看看找相關的官員能夠到馬祖去做這一方面的一個調處因為行政院工程會是全國最高的工程解釋機關你們的調處應該是相當具有公信力 |
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那麼如果有發生類似廠商跟工部門之間的合約契約,有產生類似的問題,是不是請工程會能夠幫忙在這一個部分來調處?是不是請主委回答我? |
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謝謝委員那麼禮約爭議在進入禮約的不管是申訴或者是調解之前還有一個禮約的諮詢 |
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有諮詢委員會可以諮詢所以我們非常會請工程會就法規跟工程的專業主管那麼會配合委員的時間到馬祖去就用諮詢的角度來解釋這個禮約的這樣的一個法規或應該做的決定就是說非正式的調解希望能夠達成雙方對合約有共同的認識 |
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是的,我想主委你派人到馬祖去,不是說只是跟縣政府的工程部門去接觸,跟營造商工會,營造商工會也去聽聽他們內心的感受,還有他們的需求,除了工部門之外營造業工會也去拜訪一下,主委這一點你可以做得到嗎?可以 |
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好那謝謝主委也恭喜你好不好老同事希望你再接再厲馬祖地區有什麼事情再幫我們忙好不好好謝謝你 |