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153254 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153254 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-29T11:33:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-29T11:41:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
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https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/2c978e04ca5e13319a5aba67f5059422243e47098157e4f6a3ee6acdf2d5e987da9f4d80c98cffc15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:33:41 - 11:41:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【5月27日、5月29日及5月30日三天一次會】） |
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蘇委員清泉：（11時33分）謝謝主席。我請部長，還有漁業署張署長。 |
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主席：部長及張署長。 |
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陳部長駿季：委員早！ |
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蘇委員清泉：部長，恭喜你！上個月由楊瓊瓔召委帶領，我們一起去屏東看雞蛋的處理，我非常欣賞你，勇於任事，而且說實在話，南部人的「氣口」，我聽得下去。 |
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第二，我要給我們張署長肯定的就是我們這一次石斑、龍膽石斑、珍珠斑銷到東山港等等，我們漁業署非常的小心，也非常的努力，也非常的嚴格，現在銷得還蠻順的，在黃理事長和我的努力下，我們的龍虎斑已經從1台斤110、120，現在漲到200、220，如果用公斤算的話，不得了，300多塊，所以在這裡感謝我們的部長跟我們的署長，再次肯定！ |
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但是我在這裡要講一個，就是黑鮪魚的事情。我是東港人，我是東港小孩，以前我們小時候、我年輕的時候，我家在養魚，我家親戚在捕魚，我不會去關心漁民，我不就是瘋子？有人說我在作秀，我真的是沒有辦法接受，不要亂講話！現在官員也不能亂講話。我跟大家報告，我們黑鮪魚以前都銷日本，後來我們臺灣黑鮪魚文化一改變之後，現在都以內銷為主，但是今年WCPFC核定我們的是1,965噸，我們現在差不多多少了？ |
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陳部長駿季：差不多1,050到1,100左右。 |
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蘇委員清泉：好，禮拜天（26日）有小琉球的漁民跟我反映，價格怎麼那麼差？說1公斤是70塊、80塊、100塊，因為上個月黑鮪魚文化季的時候，1公斤是賣到10,300塊，所以讓大家都覺得情勢一片美好，漁民可以好好過日子，結果隔天1公斤剩1,000，再來剩900、800，一直跌一直跌，跌到現在，快要血本無歸了。部長，這個問題是出在哪裡？ |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，鮪魚開始捕獲的第一鮪、第二鮪通常價格比較高，但是今年短時間漁獲量的尾數比較多，比較多的時候，相對的，它的價格會比較往下跑，另外，以現在我們看到的資料，鮪魚可以分為可以生食的和不是生食用的，可以生食的鮪魚價格還是維持平均每公斤大概380幾，媒體所報導70塊的是屬於不是生食用的這些魚，也是當天的最低價格。 |
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其實我們最擔心的就是有時候商人看到這樣的新聞，他就會把前端的價格壓得更低，會造成整個市場的混亂。第一時間量比較多的時候，我們也找了很多冷凍廠去協助他們做冷凍，這兩天其實每天的漁獲量大概是200多尾，像昨天是200多尾，今天大概190幾，所以相對的因為尾數比較少…… |
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蘇委員清泉：主席，再給我一點時間。我在這裡要說的就是你黑鮪魚一年再怎麼抓，不到2,000噸，接下來黃鰭鮪有7萬多噸，再來還有其他的魚種，大目鮪，還有鬼頭刀，鬼頭刀也1萬多噸，你如果產銷這麼脆弱，是要怎麼處理？每個都一團糟，漁民也賺不到錢，他漁船的貸款什麼也繳不出來，漁會信用部不是也一樣變不好，所以那天我有跟你們兩個連絡，署長說要加強冷鏈。你們以前做這麼多冷鏈給這些漁會，署長，現在到底是怎樣？ |
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陳部長駿季：在東港的部分，我們冷鏈正在蓋，大概明年或後年會陸續的完工。 |
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蘇委員清泉：你蓋這麼多冷鏈給這些漁會，這些漁會是有善盡管理之責嗎？還是都放著讓它壞，現在出問題了！ |
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陳部長駿季：絕對不會，因為現在區域冷鏈物流中心正在蓋，在這段空窗期，我也請我們黃次長，他本身是漁業的，一定要即時的協助，萬一有問題的話，怎麼樣去調度這個冷凍庫來協助做這些…… |
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蘇委員清泉：我們的黑鮪魚只有幾個港口可以拍賣，因為要管制…… |
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陳部長駿季：對，3個。 |
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蘇委員清泉：東港、新港，還有宜蘭嗎？ |
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陳部長駿季：蘇澳。 |
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蘇委員清泉：蘇澳嘛！ |
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陳部長駿季：對。 |
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蘇委員清泉：所以它有管制，你現在補助東港那邊這麼多做冷凍庫到底是可行嗎？我聽到說壞了，聽不下去耶！有這種事情嗎？ |
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陳部長駿季：冷凍庫應該是沒什麼問題。 |
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蘇委員清泉：1,900多噸，大型的冷凍庫一間、兩間就可以了。 |
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陳部長駿季：現在就是說它的溫度要零下50度，不是一般的零下37度，所以這個部分我們有特別去找到了。 |
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蘇委員清泉：一公斤一萬塊，這誤導；第二個、你的冷鏈要做好；第三個、要促銷嘛！促銷你有什麼招數嗎？你要讓我們的漁民真的有收益，這是我比較care的，每天來跟我陳情，我說你怎麼不去找縣政府、你怎麼不去找漁會？它就是沒什麼反應才會來找我，第一時間我就通知部長跟署長了。 |
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陳部長駿季：對啦！ |
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蘇委員清泉：我很感謝你們馬上就反應了，你們處理得很積極，但是你們要落實，要追蹤下去，好不好？你們花這麼多錢，補助這麼多給他們，我覺得你們要隨時…… |
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陳部長駿季：後續我想我會請黃昭欽次長，他本身是漁業的，會專門針對這個部分好好地去督導跟解決。 |
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蘇委員清泉：部長要加油。 |
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陳部長駿季：謝謝。 |
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蘇委員清泉：謝謝你，我會一直盯啦！以上。 |
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陳部長駿季：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝，也請部長將剛剛委員所提的怎麼樣促銷的方案跟委員說明清楚，謝謝。我們現在休息3分鐘。 |
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休息（11時41分） |
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繼續開會（11時44分） |
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主席：謝謝，我們繼續開會。接下來邀請黃國昌委員，請做詢答。 |
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不好意思謝謝主席我請部長還有我們醫樂署張署長部長跟張署長 |
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上個月由我們楊瓊英召委我們一起去屏東看那個雞蛋的處理我非常欣賞你 |
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永遺壬世﹖而且恭喜在位,我感覺藍寶人開口我聽下去。 第二我要把我們的張署長肯定的就是我們這一次那個石斑、龍膽、珍珠斑、我們削到東山崗等等 |
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我們業署非常的小心也非常的努力也非常的嚴格那現在銷的還蠻順的齁阿在黃理事長跟我的努力下我們那個 |
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龍虎班已經從一台金霸一霸二,現在起到兩霸二那樣。所以如果用公斤算的話,那不得了了,300多塊。所以在這感謝我們的部長及我們的署長再次肯定。但是我這裡要講一個就是黑尾的事情。現在講。 |
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各位看到,我們黑衛以前我們小的時候,我年輕的時候,我同工人,我同工孩子,我們家在做雲仔的,我們家親親在抓魚的,我不會關心 |
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所以說我在做秀我真的是沒有辦法接受不要亂講話現在官員也不能亂講話我跟大家報告我們黑鮪魚以前都銷日本後來開始我們台灣黑鮪魚文化這個文化改變之後我們現在都內銷為主 |
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但是我們今年WCPFC合定我們是1965噸嘛1965噸我們現在差不多多少差不多一千一千零五百到一千一左右禮拜天就是26號我小有酒的漁民跟我反映反映說怎麼會繼續還賣價值格怎麼那麼差秀一張 |
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沒有突然說一公斤一台一公斤公斤公斤是八十塊七十塊一百塊 |
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因為前幾天上個月在做那個黑尾文化秀的時候 一公斤是賣到一萬零三百塊所以讓大家都覺得說 哇 革命情勢一片美好啦 大家可以好 避免人家好到跪在地 再跪一天 一公斤存一千 再跪存九百、八百 滴滴落 滴滴落 那到現在還沒血本無歸啊 不然這問題是處理隊 |
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我給委員報告,就是鮪魚開始在捕獲的時候的第一尾第二尾通常價格比較高但是相對的它過往的漁獲量,今年的漁獲量短時間的漁獲量那個尾數比較多啦那比較多的時候相對的它的價格會比較往下跑但是以現在我們看到的資料就是 |
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219.162 |
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244.978 |
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委員可以分為可以是生食的生食的鮪魚那生食的鮪魚它那個價格還是維持大概300平均大概380幾大概每公斤大概這樣子那媒體所報的那個70塊它是屬於不是生食用的這些魚然後相對的是也是當天的最低價格那其實我們最擔心的就是有時候商人看到這樣的新聞他就會把前端的價格 |
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245.538 |
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245.758 |
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主席,花這麼時間? |
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267.987 |
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274.555 |
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我知道他說的就是說你黑位於一年再怎麼抓不到兩千噸接下來黃其為七萬幾噸捏 啊再來 還有 |
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283.393 |
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291.075 |
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還有其他的魚種、大麥蔥、還有桂桃豆,桂桃豆也有多種的,你如果這樣產銷這麼脆弱,你是要怎麼補呢?大家也拖拖拖,漁民也貪不吃,他們的魚族、大家看什麼都不會出,魚肥不一樣,市場也不會變壞,所以那天署長我有跟你們兩個聯絡,署長說要用加強冷鏈,你們以前衝了很多冷鏈給這些魚,到底署長現在到底是怎麼樣? |
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313.001 |
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327.222 |
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因為在香港的保溫,因為我們冷店正在蓋啦,大概明年或後年的部分或陸續的完工,齁這個冷店的部分。阿你起到這兩年後,這氣味,這氣味是有善盡管理之責嗎?阿是我們辦法好派?阿現在出問題阿? |
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328.343 |
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351.69 |
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絕對不會,因為現在的那個區域冷凝物流中心那裡企囊,然後在這個空裝期的部分我也請我們那個黃市長,一本先卸掉的嘛,就是一定要及時的協助萬一有問題的話,怎麼樣去調度這個冷凍庫來協助做這些...我們的黑鮪魚只有幾個港口可以拍賣嘛,因為要管制嘛,當港、新港還要去哪裡 |
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353.37 |
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368.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
蘇 蘇 蘇 蘇 蘇 蘇 蘇 |
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369.063 |
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394.76 |
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對,兩樣問題應該是沒什麼問題啊。1900幾噸,大型的冰凍口,一斤兩斤就吃了了,吞了了。這不是說它的溫度要負0下-50度啦,不是說一般的0下-37度。所以這個部分我們有特別去找到了。一公斤一萬塊,這誤導。第二個,你的冷鏈要做好,第三個要促銷嘛。促銷你有什麼要保守嗎?你要給我們的漁民, |
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396.212 |
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396.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
發言委員：蘇清泉 |
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426.156 |
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446.947 |
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後續我想我會請黃昭謙次長：不信他也不會：會專門做針對這個部分去好好地去督導跟解決。好,部長要加油。好,謝謝。謝謝你。我也是會一直盯。以上。好,謝謝。也請部長將剛剛委員所提的怎麼樣促銷的方案跟委員來說明清楚。謝謝。 |