| IVOD_ID |
15321 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15321 |
| 日期 |
2023-11-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-10-8-23-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第10屆第8會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
10 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
8 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第10屆第8會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2023-11-30T08:30:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2023-11-30T11:54:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:24:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd84d5437c18e80f076425655b8120616f46d53a332764a535b5cf550acfcd12be5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2023-11-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第10屆第8會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於國家通訊傳播委員會單位預算。
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播監督管理基金預算。
三、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管有線廣播電視事業發展基金預算。
（以上3案已詢答完畢，本日進行處理）
【11月29日及30日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:00 - 11:54:59 |
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那你舉手嘛好繼續開會現在介紹在場委員第一位陳江華委員我先介紹一下委員好不好?第二位邱顯智委員接下來陳歐柏委員再來林俊賢委員 |
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陳書業委員、蔡培輝委員都介紹到了嗎?好,我再介紹我們列席的官員陳耀祥主任委員其他就不介紹了好不好?節省一點時間陳旭發言那個誰?陳江華委員 |
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你不是程序發言嗎?來,請發言。 |
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謝謝主席今天我們審NCC預算抱著非常沉痛的心情從靜電室到三立宗家整個綠色媒體壟斷我們沒有看到NCC應該有的態度應該有的專業還有應該有的法律的專業 |
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所以今天我們看到在中加三立的調查書面報告我們只看到限期改正我們看到NCC這樣擺爛的態度已經徹底抹滅了獨立機關應該有的專利專業還有應該有的尊嚴 |
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所以我們看到陳耀祥主委把NCC踩在腳底下他個人為了做官他個人為了拉攏執政黨把綠色媒體這樣子的違法這樣子的違反付款踩在腳底下我們認為NCC應該關門了 |
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所以今天審NCC的預算我要不客氣的說國人應該對於NCC這樣子沒有行使獨立行使依法獨立行使職權的這樣子的作為感到失望所以 |
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本席也提出了跟邱顯智委員還有我們請召委也一起支持提案要求今天罷審NCC的預算。以上。好,謝謝陳江華委員。好,時代力量我們邱顯智委員、陳旭發言人。三分鐘好不好? |
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謝謝主席今天審查NCC的預算我之前看到主委在面對媒體質疑的時候非常輕巧的講一句話說難道要回到過去新聞局的時代嗎 |
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那我覺得這個是非常非常不務責任啦因為今天坦白講政府的每一分錢都是人民的血汗錢今天依法成立一個NCC來監理這一些相關的這一些業者基本上都是非常清楚嘛每一分錢都是人民的血汗錢當你這個做一個獨立機關的時候你就應該有獨立機關的樣子嘛對不對 |
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2200.1 |
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那你在講說阿現在不要要那不然回到過去新聞局的時代了我們必須要講說要你作為一個獨立機關當然不是說變成說像現在這樣跟過去的威權體制的國民黨是一模一樣的拿這個來比喻嗎民進黨執政拿這個來比喻嗎是對嗎這是新聞自由嗎所以今天非常清楚嘛 |
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好不容易提出了一個調查報告從9月8號到現在提出一個調查報告那個調查報告裡面的內容本來就是在9月8號兩個月多前的時候就已經知道了事實了結果整份報告還是避重就輕嘛然後到現在為止也沒有做出一個處分 |
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到底你要做什麼要限期改善要不要說要不要提出明確的裁法到現在已經將近三個月了竟然一個獨立機關沒辦法做出一個這個明確的處分那我們也看到說有一些這個報導指出說 |
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有一些NCC的委員要求應該針對中加三立明智固犯作出處分但是NCC迄今仍然態度曖昧那我們必須要講說對這些NCC的委員你應該本於你的職責如果今天 |
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主委要還是要護航三立那請這些NCC的委員應該要捍衛自己的清慾展現一個最起碼的道德的勇氣公開的提不同意見書嘛 |
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這才是應該有的一個做法那今天在審查NCC的預算的時候我必須要講說如果你連一個獨立的機關的一個職者所在你都沒辦法捍衛的時候你憑什麼去花人民的血和錢光是這個調查報告裡面三立持有宗家的 |
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主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管 |
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2357.205 |
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行政院長陳建仁我在諮詢的時候都說得非常清楚了教育部長都說得非常清楚了NCC做的行政處分怎麼會是教育部在監理呢太離譜了吧 |
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2372.559 |
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2397.457 |
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這樣的一個推脫的做法已經好幾個不知道多久了到現在還在推脫這是非常不應該的啦所以拜託各位委員今天我們在審NCC的預算全國的人民也在看我們非常清楚跨越了反媒體壟斷的紅線不管藍媒不管綠媒就是應該處理嘛 |
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2398.197 |
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2414.335 |
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那趙少康現在還在做這個中廣的董事長這沒辦法處理太離譜了吧今天還有什麼推脫說要給中廣自己處理的NCC作為一個監理機關你就是要有你的態度嘛態度是什麼 |
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2415.336 |
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非常清楚不管是藍媒不管是紅媒態度都是要一樣的這是一個新聞自由這是最起碼在場的許多的新聞的同業最起碼的言論自由不應該造成這樣的寒蟬效應以上好 謝謝下一位請陳歐柏委員陳以凡好 再下一位黃孟凱委員 |
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謝謝主席本席在交通委員會三屆歷經國民黨完全執政、民進黨完全執政事實上我都同一個標準我希望NCC是獨立機關應該是做一隻有牙齒的老虎所以不管在什麼樣的情況之下我都力求要公平公正來對待 |
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媒體的管理因為這個很難管理涉及到很多的財團權力的結構所以這個主委很難做唯一就是秉持一定的標準放之四海的標準來處理所以今天針對剛剛陳教授委員跟邱行之委員兩位的發言有些我是贊成有些我不贊成我表達我個人的意見 |
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第一個陳耀祥主委一到逆媒就攪亂這個有點偏濕啦你是一到媒體就攪亂了你是一到媒體就攪亂我的看法是這樣第二點交委會應繼續審NCCC算這點我保留態度我們現在剩下兩個禮拜再繼續審的話什麼時候可以審 |
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審預算是我們的權責,立法院的權責該計的責任我是認為怎麼樣都要好好來審第三點有提到說這個NCC應該提及究責相關的維持的部分我全力支持該怎麼辦就怎麼辦 |
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不要推脫 也不要揣測商議現在我們民進黨很多的機關是這樣子啊 揣測商議 商議怎麼想 都自己想的 自己搞的結果 全國人民的質疑啊 誰造成這樣子就是因為你獨立機關的所長 你該怎麼做你就承擔起來你不要揣測商議 搞得大家都不曉得到底是誰的意思 |
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是執政黨的意思還是總統的還是行政院長的意思你獨立西瓜你在負責任陳主委我再次拜託你硬起來你不用管誰誰講的話你今天國家賦予給你這個權責你就要擔當起來針對今天報紙有寫趙超康、沈博洋還有一位擔任公事董事的一位民眾黨提名的部分去立委我想標準都一樣 |
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三、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管 |
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因為就是你們攪亂推脫責任給別單位叫一步這個是不對的該負擔責任是負擔起來一樣我的這個報告但是預算還是今天要審好下一位黃孟楷委員發言 |
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各位委員我們今天交通委員會要在審理明年度NCC的預算我要請教大家我們自己扪心質問NCC過去這段時間所作所為所行所言有真真正正進到一個中華民國政府獨立機關行使的角色嗎? |
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如果說我們今天還可以放任NCC把他的預算給拿出來然後我們這樣子糊裡糊塗滿天過來就讓他過關的話我們愧對台灣人民所有人民給予我們的責任最重要的NCC代呼職守NCC難辭其咎NCC居然讓我們看到一個真真切切的媒體壟斷的事件實在發生在現在的中華民國政府 |
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綠媒可以直接把手伸進去間接投資宗家27%的股份 |
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這樣子的一個直接介入新聞台跟系統台直接合併直接變成是一體的然後這件事情還不是NC主動查緝的是被踢爆的被踢爆之後三個月內才千呼萬喚使出來所謂的報告但報告昨天拿到手我們看了之後更覺得是啼笑皆非根本就是便宜形式要一年的時間才要去處理這個股份 |
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我們要問要一年的時間才能處理這個股份大家覺得合理嗎?被踢爆才去了解才去介入調查之後要一年的時間處理股份一年後咧?傳過水無痕 |
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那如果說之後再來一次瞞天過海今天是因為被踢爆所以說才去調查了解如果說之後沒有被踢爆沒有去了解那是不是可以這樣子的一個手法持續再做再者我們要問之前NCC就已經有說了新聞媒體不得直接間接的投資任何的系統台那現在事情已經發生了處罰的標準是什麼 |
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處罰的標準是什麼?NCC今天提不出來很抱歉你提不出來你要怎麼讓我們相信說我們能夠去審查你明年的預算NCC這樣的機關還要再運作嗎?有運作跟沒運作有差嗎?真真實實的新聞台就是直接已經間接的投資了系統台這就是事實 |
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獅子不要說是沒牙齒的老虎啊他根本就是為財團服務的老虎根本就是為財團服務的僕人根本不配也沒有進到我們中華民國政府保衛台灣2350萬人視聽大眾的權益所以 |
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本期很語重心長的要跟各位委員同仁來說明我們今天國民黨團很負責任提出提案要求針對NCC |
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不管是過去新聞媒體管理嚴重雙標的問題通傳會業務執行變成是覆水組織的問題靜電是發生違反承諾NCC行政延遲的問題以及禁止媒體壟斷紅線形同虛設的問題這些問題沒有解決之前113年的預算暫緩審查這是對於國人交代的態度而且 |
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我也跟各位委員同仁來報告其實就中華民國政府的行政機關的預算使用來講人事費用、薪水費用不受我們立法院即便是預算還沒通過他們還是可以支應換言之這一些 |
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拿人民納稅前高薪的高官們他們薪水其實是不受影響的我們不會因為我們今天沒有審查113年NCC的預算而他們會有任何人拿不到薪水 |
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但是這是一個態度問題這也是一個大是大非的問題我們要這樣子包庇NCC的預算到什麼程度我們要讓NCC不作為到什麼程度我們要讓NCC擺案到什麼程度這一點才是我們要面對國人的 |
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所以我具體也提出我們的臨時提案等一下我也認為主席是不是應該要先表決我們的臨時提案因為我知道我們今天國民黨團、時代力量黨團也都有提出相關的臨時提案而如果我們不把這個當一回事我們還是敷衍草率的 |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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所以我們再一次拜託主席等一下我們應該要先處理臨時提案我們再來做後續而國民黨團很堅決明白的態度強調在上述幾件事情沒有解決釐清之前我們拒審113年度NCC的政府預算。謝謝好謝謝侯孟凱偉的發言針對 |
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林基委員請謝謝主席我是認為預算要審而且要延審這是我們立法院委員的職責但是各位剛剛提的對NCC的幾點質疑也不是完全都沒有道理 |
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那在預算審查的時候我們可以要求我們甚至可以提出條件NCC要給社會這些問題的答案這個是我們審預算上我們的國會議員手上的職責和武器現在這樣的一個股權買賣我想請問NCC是誰要申報是買方要申報還是賣方要申報 |
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買賣一定是賣放要申報嘛那宗家為什麼敢不申報?那敢不申報有沒有法則?沒有法則啊。而他為什麼敢?還有別的公司敢這樣嗎?那麼大筆股權移轉,剛剛沒給你申報這宗家看不起你NCC啦,你NCC要生氣啦宗家給你打在頭上啦 |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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如果他要收多少?多久?一年喔?一年如果沒有賣出去咧?有沒有罰則?也是沒有罰則啊?不然你這個單位人家看你不去啦然後你NCC的事後處理啦對社會的解釋啦你說你不知道是因為啊你不知道買方是三立啊因為你是查到第三層的股東啦胡說八道 |
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這各位NCC想說什麼?NCC兩個單位寫你們只查到第三層股東你待會要交代出來你這個不是打臉黨政軍條款嗎?股權影響一定是查到最後的受益人這是黨政軍條款最基本最重要的原則和精神啊不然你要讓我黨政軍我就藏在第四層第五層你就查不到啊那一定是查到最後受益人受益股東嘛 |
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然後那個新聞稿或者是要發言是NCC兩個單位哪個主管還是你陳主委你要給我們交代吧我看到你寫那個新聞稿我看了就火大做一個那麼大的機關胡說八道 |
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黨軍調管也是我們維護媒體中立一個很重要的一個法案嘛。阿重點就是你要查到最終收益人嘛。你不怪你這個機關會被人家攻擊啊。你亂講什麼只查到因為他他交易是在第三層股東所以你營基金不察覺。有幾個重點啦。為什麼賣房敢不來申報啦。對不對。阿事後你也沒辦法。下一次會再發生你你你你也不可以怎樣。阿第二個 |
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現在已經發生了,你怎麼去上後處理?如果中央沒有辦法把這個股權再轉賣出來,啊你也沒辦法,你也沒法則啦。還有不要再亂講什麼你只查到第幾層股東啦,自己打領自己的。但是我們預算可以審查,我是給我們這些 |
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剛剛那個時代力量還有紅門稿員做參考啦我們可以審查但你們要的條件我們可以我們可以在預算裡面做他們要求嘛你其實做不到那預算就不要給他就不要給他動資嘛但是你今天不審查的話我們這個會期沒有時間你整個預算就拖到明年去啦好不好這是我的建議請各位同仁做參考啦好 謝謝主席好 謝謝還有嗎 沒有了吧 |
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陳焦華委員、陳雪生委員兩項的委員提案聚審或是緩審請一併宣讀臨時提案鑒於國家通訊傳播委員會無論在民進黨、府、院、黨、政、高層黑手介入、禁電視、執照取得及後續爭議一案或勝利集團與系統台、中家聯手形成綠色媒體 |
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據受跨越反媒體壟斷紅線的違法爭議,原提請本委員會應在國家通訊傳播委員會與針對前階案件的違法情形依法進行實質裁罰前,拒絕審查國家通訊傳播委員會之預算,提案人委員陳焦華等。 |
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提案針對通傳會弊端重申人貿不章一、新聞媒體管理嚴重雙標問題二、通傳會業務執行輪迴民進黨附水組織問題三、競電事發生違反承諾四項通傳會行政嚴重疏失四、禁止媒體壟斷紅線形同虛設問題院。原要求113年度通傳會及附屬單位預算在上述問題未解決前應暫緩審議。提案人委員陳雪生等宣讀完畢。 |
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據審或緩審,各位委員有沒有異議?有有進行協商還是表決?不要再上來講啊,再上來,不不不,你在下面就好了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
再跑上來又搞10分鐘?坐著還站著?你贊成還是不贊成? |
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那個主席啊我們交通委員會很少用表決的方式啦今天出於這種有爭議的案子我認為休息或者說先請主委跟我們說明一下那我們再協商一下那要表決也可以我也不反對但是這個程序總是要走一下不要馬上就我是問你說表決還是協商啦協商啦就是協商一下嘛先休息一下先請主委說明一下嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3418.005 |
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稍微昨天那個黨團協商你有簽字是不是?因為今天要送出去阿現在整個例月裡面就等我們交通委員會了沒有啦就是大家如果不同意我是覺得就表決阿沒有什麼好協商 |
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這樣好了?稍微我們緩和一點,先給一點時間給那個陳主委好不好? |
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欸抱歉喔我們大家都昨天下班前都收到NCC對於這一次這個間接投資媒體介入的這個報告這報告NCC自己在最後大事記都講了他是9月8號被立法委員開記者會踢爆有 |
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紅順公司股東股份異動之後才來函檢舉到9月27號立法委員來函檢舉NCC才動起來927到現在11月底再兩個月時間過去了給我們這份報告 |
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晚了兩個月然後報告裡面還沒有完全把事情釐清那最重要的是現在告訴我們說給人家一年的時間去處理股份然後裁罰處罰是什麼不知道那如果說這樣的話沒有被踢爆第一沒有被踢爆之前這一件事情到底進行多久了NCC主管機關不知道第二踢爆之後要一年的時間 |
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一年的時間再去處理第三現在開罰什麼不知道那我們到底要怎麼審查這個機關還存在嗎他還有責任他有功能嗎那我們現在我剛剛已經開宗明義講了其實主席 |
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中華民國政府我們每個機關即便是立法院沒有通過我們年度預算但是到了明年1月他還是可以透過主計他們還是可以動之人事費用所以這個機關運行不會有問題只是我們現在黨我們現在預算審查沒有通過的話他不能進行的是新增計畫預算以及他不能進行的是其他非人事費用的預算換言之薪水也不受影響 |
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這個是中華民國政府法令規定對於公務人員最基本的保障所以我們現在講即便是等一下給主委來做說明啊他的說明不會超出這個報告裡面的內容我們還要再聽這種廢話嗎我們還要再讓NCC來這邊做政令宣導嗎 |
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給他們兩個月的時間交出這樣的報告已經多少次了大家也講嘛我們交通委員會都是大家都是用協商的不表決的那我們要問今天到底是什麼樣的機關可以把我們交通委員會這樣的一個感情給破壞 |
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這樣的機關不分藍綠草野大家共同都指責也認為說他們沒有做到位那現在這樣綠營的朋友我們現在還是執政黨我們很尊重的因為你們是國會多數執政黨委員要坐在這邊到最後要表決要護航這樣的機關嗎?這樣大家護航得下去沒有必要背這樣的黑鍋NCC今天做得好一點的話我講真的 |
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明年1月13號大家選舉都還不知道但是就是因為NCC過去幾年讓國人看到根本沒有作為而且是越來越加離譜民進黨都覺得說他根本就是不知道變成是誰的打手了我們民進黨委員不用這樣子護航吧 |
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所以我很認真我很誠意誠懇的表示我們可以再提一個臨時提案大家一起來提我們暫緩審查NCC的預算對於整個中華民國政府預算不會有任何影響昨天的朝野協商還算數我們就是先把NCC的預算給擱置 |
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讓他們把真真正正報告給交出來告訴我們這件事情要怎麼處罰之後我們再來討論這是我由衷的拜託也請求我們交通委員會所有委員思考我的提案我們一起來做一件事情不分草野藍綠但是我們要求行政部門都應該做對中華民國國民負責任的事情謝謝等一下再發言啦 |
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現在針對這個審還是不審有沒有,我們來表決好了你不表決?你來表決?那個主席啊,剛剛黃旺凱委員的話齁我大部分都贊成啦但是有幾點我不贊成啦什麼?有幾點我不贊成啦他說我們在赴航我們在座其他的民進黨委員在赴航NCC |
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那我可以講第8屆的時候國民黨委員會復航NCC第8屆的時候NCC是怎麼搞的怎麼亂搞的這NCC這個單位本來就很多書我們在座很多委員都贊成說這個有沒有存置的必要這個可以討論但是但是我要講一點你剛剛講那個都我們都懂啦在座李昆哲委員這時候去預算怎麼處理我們都很清楚啦 |
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記者媒體記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記者記 |
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這個是一個一個原則的問題我們 |
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以前沒有那麼糟糕啦以前更糟糕啦以前沒有那麼糟糕而且拿出這種東西我們還要吃得下去嗎?這種報告我們要吃得下去我們是要吞下去你們對預算有一件主條來審查這款報告我們真的吃不下去台灣人民吃不下去台灣人民沒辦法接受你自己講的啦台灣人民沒辦法接受啦這樣子的話一直講下去啊你要比較的話永遠比不完啦那個...那個這樣啦顯示委員你一分鐘喔我去給你關掉喔 |
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我們在交通委員會審查了很多的各個局、署等等的預算那你可以看到說比如說公路局好了那他的主要職責就是在做這個建設嘛 |
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所以你去實質去監督他有沒有浪費那NCC的角色他在監理欸你現在問題是說你這個機關的核心的角色應該是做一個獨立機關然後能夠做一個獨立機關的情況之下去做監理所以剛剛為什麼會說依照趕快爛到爆點啊 |
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當然啦我當然相信台灣是一個從威權轉型民主的國家所以在這個媒體的自由上面很多問題嘛所以我們現在不應該讓他爛下去嘛你應該作為一個NCC作為一個獨立機關就是要擔當起你的角色否則的話你為什麼能夠花人民的血汗錢嘛 |
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每一個人的背景都是辛辛苦苦賺錢繳了房貸繳了車貸繳了奶粉錢尿布錢之後剩下的這些錢繳給國家那你就是要做法分配給你的角色嘛那今天的問題在哪裡今天的問題是說你根本沒有在做監理的角色啊光是這個紅胎公益信託這個問題剛剛陳厚破委員也講說你憑什麼推給教育部嘛 |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播監督管理基金預算 |
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那你現在在報告裡面交代的就是15%嘛而且還要這麼久的時間才能夠轉換那12%呢這三個月的時間沒辦法調查清楚嘛這沒有辦法給社會一個交代嘛所以你現在連一個明確的行政處分都沒辦法做即便你說你要怎麼改善你要怎麼這個裁法完全都沒有嘛 |
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所以我基本上會認為說啦預算的審查本來就是國會在監督行政機關他要做事你有做這個事我們通過這個預算支持你給這個錢那你沒做這個事啊你最核心的內容你都沒做事的時候憑什麼要花人民的血汗錢你那個一分鐘好長喔差不多一分鐘你腳壞了啦那你是怎麼樣30秒一分鐘 |
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總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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12點前提供給各黨團及相關行政部門參考請行政部門在提案然後禮拜一下下禮拜一之前密集協商那這樣子我簽名跟我們今天 |
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據審這個NCC預算應該是無關吧我想我們劉委員顯然誤會了所以今天我們真的是忍無可忍我們才會寫這個臨時提案嘛那其他我就不再說明了好 謝謝一分鐘你們的一分鐘表的那麼長昆德偉 |
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好 謝謝昭偉我必須提醒各位委員相關的中央政府總預算的基本審查程序財政委員會必須要等到各委員會審查結束提出審查報告送到財政委員會由財政委員會再提到院會來做處理 |
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所以你沒有辦法NCC拒審或者是不處理這樣整個政府的總預算都會受到相當的延誤以上跟大家做個提醒我們停止發言了我們要進行處理那開始就進行舉手表決支持拒審案的請舉手 |
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一、二、三。好,手放下。支持繼續審查的請舉手。一、二、三、四、五、六。一、二、三、四、五、六。六位齁。六。在場主席委員九人。贊成者三人。 |
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反對者6人戰爭者少數提案沒有通過那我們進行審查好不好?這樣不能夠進行審查鳳凱主席我們有兩個臨時提案一個是拒審一個是還審對所以我們是不是要表決兩次表決兩次好剛才是處理拒審嘛好現在來處理還審兩個提案 |
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反省上述問題未解決前支持反省的委員請舉手一、二、三,三位那支持不反省的委員請舉手一、二、三、四、五你們舉手不要動,舉高一點六位,看到了,謝謝 |
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在場主席委員9人不含主席,贊成者3人,反對者6人,贊成者少數。提案不通過,進行審查。好不好?好,即日進行通常會、通常基金、有限廣電基金預算的處理。進行協商,同時請議事委員宣讀預算書及委員提案。 |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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審查113年度總預算案國家通訊傳播委員會單位預算委員提案資料為了讓氣氛和諧,休息五分鐘國家通訊傳播委員會單位預算提案立案國家通訊傳播委員會113年度預算行政官科送入證照費編列2976萬元,建議整列改善以上一千萬元提案的臨時限等。 |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算 |
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一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單三、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單四、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單六、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單七、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單八、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單九、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算 |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算 |
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三、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會 |
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好,來,坐好。坐好。選擇,請坐下來。坐下來。選擇你這表去修一下嘛,一分鐘都都是十分鐘。都壞了?台灣鐘表不好拿下來? |
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中國了嘛中國中表嘛好國家通訊傳播委員會113年度單位預算審查第一案輸入區縣委員有沒有意見區縣委員有沒有意見第一案輸入好要幫人舉手國家通訊傳播委員會18729萬3000元第四款財產收入第19項國家通訊傳播委員會169萬2000元 |
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第七款其他收入第十九項國家通訊傳播委員會五列數。好,謝謝張偉。我本期提第一案是我們明年度NCC的行政規正照費的收入,編2900多萬。 |
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一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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但我看過去三年的決算數影響幅度仍然有限那明年為什麼明年為什麼會突降那麼多我覺得是不是編列有一些保守因為你明年只編2900多萬比跟去年2022年的決算數減了50% |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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主席還有各位最主要這個證照費是因為第一個我們去年那個數位部成立以後來講很多的這個電信的這個業務移轉給數位部那第二個就是說我們現在因為五家電信業者合併為三家所以它那個基地台的整併它那數量有減少所以我們當時預估的所以才把這個所謂的稅務的這個部分呢減少了大概30%這個部分是請我們處長跟各位委員報告一下 |
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主席、各位委員大家好簡單報告一下就是說因為電信管理法就是在109年開始有一些執照的效期是3年變成5年那剛好明年的113年是剛好是整年的空窗期這個部分就會減少 |
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那剛剛我們主委也有說明就是說五家業者合併了以後他的經濟台數量也會整併所以也會減少那競選委員給我們的指導我們會努力去做可不可以拙減一些這樣子謝謝好競選委員可以嗎跟你自己說拙減多少我們增加500來努力一下好謝謝第一案增加增累500萬第二至三案 |
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五、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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雖然我們在2023年1月有通過性影像釋法聯訪的法案給警察、檢察機關公權力要求行為人要刪除、交付、下架性影彈也要求網際網路平台對這個要有限制但實務上仍然發現你那一張性影像被上傳恐怕就是無法停止的噩夢讓被害人不斷地漏入恐懼和害怕 |
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所以為了杜絕性影像的犯罪行為保障弱勢或者受害人這個共同提案是凍結500萬那等我們NCC提出積極的作為例如建置STOP NCII的資料庫防止性影像、私密影像不斷的反指就是說STOP NCII的這個影像 |
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第二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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那實務上雖然我國目前有影像司法的聯訪但影像最怕就被傳到境外網站了那我們就無法可管為了保障這國人免受數位性暴力的威脅那提案凍結500萬請NCC協調相關部會提出針對境外網站私密影像下架的具體解決方法向本會提出報告後遲到動輒謝謝 |
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4995.499 |
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5022.04 |
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好 二、繼續說明好 歐柏那個剛剛林俊杰委員有提到私密影像或者是私密影像其實還有一些影像是被不當的連結那也因為整個網際網路快速傳播的特殊性點滴率非常高我最近看到很多人就很多被不當連結 |
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被連結到什麼做什麼做什麼的事情我認為這個都應該要積極管理那做不正當的連結這個是不是也可以未來是不是可以有什麼樣的一個防治措施我想NCC應該去做這樣子或者跟一個做不當連結這個也是造成很大的因素我想這個案子我是支持做這個凍結的一個處理 |
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5056.936 |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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那跟各位委員報告那這一件就是屬於性影像暴力性暴力數位性暴力的提案那數位性暴力事法今年在立法通過之後已經那個衛福部那邊成立性影像處理中心 |
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所以現在是那個由衛福部在主政那我們這個這一件案子跟范委員辦公室那溝通那個那辦公室同意改成主決議那就是免於凍結然後修改那個凍結的文字還有那個經同意後時的通知這些文字然後同意我們來改成主決議那跟我委員報告 |
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換委員是凍結還是改為主決議?改為主決議那不凍結了是不是?是是是歐破委員同意凍結啊這個要這樣子啦因為換委員他不是本委員會啊你不能爭取他同意然後我們也爭取我們同意就自己做這樣的一個表示 |
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關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播 |
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委員們如果那個是不是可以改成主決議啊如果沒有辦法改成主決議的話我們是不是如果要凍結的話我們這個修正文字的部分來處理好就23案合併那那個那個那個案有的部分最後那個提出署名報告 |
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第三、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案 |
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好 工作委員發言請舉手第四案的部分再請這個陳主委來說明一下因為在交通委員會看許智傑委員關心這個議題也跟陳主委有多所交換意見那今天也必須在預算處理的過程裡面針對這樣的一個議題提出一個基本的說明來好 學制委員 |
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5242.169 |
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我們在交通委員會審預算那你會發現有一個狀況比如說有一些單位像這個公路局也好或是相關的這種行政機關哇那幾天加暗 |
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就是這個也不知道要講他說是勇於認識還是怎麼樣台灣每年的罰單多達1400萬張然後繳的這個200億的這個罰單的收入那200億的收入也沒有再用在改善交通又來更加更多的測速照相那類似這樣的狀況 |
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那NCC的狀況剛好顛倒你會看到這個NCC的監理的狀況的時候好像說 |
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要處罰一個事情都是非常非常困難的九月八號到現在這個第五案我們的狀況就是說明明這就是已經這個系統這個媒體大亨啦然後已經是系統經營者不得與新聞頻道業者整合的紅線為無誤了那你還可以九月八號到現在連一個處分都沒辦法開出來 |
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5315.481 |
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從外面來看的話如果你用這個例子來看的話覺得台灣真是一個世界上最尊重行政程序的國家這句話是諷刺 |
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這件事情是覺得你到底是不想做事還是說你真的是這麼的遵守法治主義的要求那這個都已經明顯到這樣的狀況了那同樣道理剛剛林俊炫委員也提到說這個沒有罰則什麼有的沒的那其實一個行政處分一個非常簡單的道理 |
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5360.945 |
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你今天像這個宏泰公益信託你五年你給他一個教育許可一個行政處分而且這個處分是一個受益性行政處分你給他一個授予這樣的利益的時候你有付款有負擔一十五億五年一十五億他只有捐個一事一事而已怎麼辦 |
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撤銷交易許可就這麼簡單啊!行政法的第一課!還有呢?你到現在連去查也不去查料你說啊這個他如果未來沒有捐的話這義務是不會消失的啦齁這個可以用代金的方式處理靠夭啊!我如果是老闆我如果是財團老闆的話我當然不繳嘛!我當然一毛錢都不會繳啊! |
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5391.223 |
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五、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、繼續審查113年度 |
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5422.224 |
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你應該最起碼的要有一個這個監理的角色那最起碼的這場這麼多委員為什麼都對NCC的表現都非常有意見因為我不要說你做一個監理的角色你連做一個行政機關的角色你都搞不清楚啊 |
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5447.195 |
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到底NCC是一個行政機關呢?他應該是有公權力的所以今天才會坐在這邊我們來討論公務預算還是說你把自己定位成一個公司呢?還是一個協會呢?還是你是一個什麼樣的單位?我真的搞不清楚啊明明一個行政處分你就是接到這樣的一個案例事實之後 |
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5466.512 |
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三、將近三個月沒辦法處理一個案件說交出一個調查報告27%裡面有12%還是不知去向然後明明在交易許可好幾百億的交易許可你一個處分下去給他一個受益性的行政處分讓他可以去做系統商結果他完全都沒有 |
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5492.788 |
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這個按照他應該捐的錢去旅行的時候那你可以把它再推給教育部那人家教育部我覺得莫名其妙說靠夭啊這個是我的這個你你的行政處分剛我教育部屁事啊那在這種情況之下你還不願意去監理那到底是你的監理機關的職能是什麼啦我基本上真的是這個真的是要特體思考我覺得也要讓國人能夠了解 |
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| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
5500.386 |
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在NCC裡面做一個獨立的機關國人給他賦予多大的這個期待結果 |
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5502.265 |
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5528.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
連一個一般的在交通委員會裡面一般的這個交通的這一些的部會都還不如真的我覺得這真的是非常愧對國人的期待然後也對於說你今天要來要這個公務預算然後這麼多辛辛苦苦的人民的血汗錢交給你但是你沒有去做你最起碼的本分這是非常有愧這個職守的 |
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好,好了沒有?所有人?結束?一分鐘了。哇靠夭啊,想夠久了。好,何欣辰召委,然後歐柏。謝謝,謝謝,不好意思,歐柏。 |
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5576.185 |
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我的案子是在第8案跟第9案那這邊我還是在提醒我們NCC因為我們的主要業務之一是那個有線電視那我相信現場的各位甚至我們更年輕的一代很多家裡對有線電視的這個收視的這個機率應該越來越低為什麼?因為很難看 |
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議員議員議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
5599.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
5602.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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5622.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
5624.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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5640.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
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第二個案子是我第九案我還是認為說我們的數位新聞的產業報告既然我們六月已經有國外的公佈那公佈裡面國外的公佈裡面對於我們台灣這個閱聽眾的這個媒體的一個整體的信任度很低那當然這個可能有兩極化 |
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5662.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
5691.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
所謂的兩極化這還有包括大量的一個訊息真真假假難以辨識那雖然造成大家對這個閱聽視聽的一個整體媒體的一個信任度是比較下降的那這個部分我們應該怎麼樣的來改善讓我們的這個只有民主的體制在媒體第四權的監督之下能夠是一個良性正面的一個監督之下可以建構良好的一個公共媒體的傳播市場 |
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5715.034 |
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我覺得這個是要讓國人可以建構對媒體對第四權的一個信任那這個我也只要提一個小小的動靜希望能夠提醒NCC做到我們應該應盡的責任那這個所謂的自律的一個機制或者是評鑑或是換照等等用所有的政策工具可以來健全我們的媒體市場以上謝謝 |
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5715.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
5718.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
5737.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
5754.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
對第一幕的一般行政的處理尤其是一般行政其實都是一般的人事行政費用或者是特別費或者一些基本行政的維持這個比較沒有真理用凍結方式那看看怎麼樣做順便的報告以後再做處理謝謝 |
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5759.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
5780.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
謝謝主席那本席針對第6案就是我有聯署的這個提案就是針對NCC在明年度一般行政的預算7億251萬4千元這個預算本席是聯署同意這個凍結預算3000萬元的凍結案那主要是針對說這個電信詐騙的這個狀況真的是 |
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5786.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
5788.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
兩、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
5817.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
5845.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
另外本席要針對就是邱賢志委員的這個第五案本席也是表達贊同就是說事實上我們NCC是獨立的機關所以對於整個這個電信監理的部分我們也希望NCC一定要依法行政不分男女不分這個就是要依他應該要執行的一個職權要讓我們的國人對這個媒體的第四權要有這個信任感 |
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| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
5852.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
所以就是說不管是中加案或者是中廣,你一定要積極的處理,要有明確的一個結果,謝謝。 |
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5860.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
5879.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
議員議員議員議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
5880.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
5902.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
提出為何務須裁罰的理由及法律依據十五案也是一樣動特別費100%要求NCC針對善利宗家有違法股權移轉變動卻毫無所惜也是提出專案檢討報告 |
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5903.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
5912.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
那16案是針對靜電室待於調查靜電室違法的專案報告以上三案 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
5916.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
5939.141 |
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好,還有沒有委員發言?沒有齁。四到十七案。三檢的提案委員是許智傑委員,還有趙正義委員三檢齁。都沒有來。你要發言嗎還是?四到十七。 |
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5942.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
5955.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
17、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算17年度中央政府總預算17年度中央政府總預算17年度中央政府總預算17年度中央政府總預算17年度中央政府總預算 |
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5965.277 |
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5989.102 |
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對於我們國民來說甚至我們交通委員會很多的委員到現在很多的細節到今天為止都還沒有釐清所以也許NCC認為解決了但是一大堆包括有些涉入司法的案件也還沒有釐清所以從這個爭議到今年開始的宗家案的一個移民我們看到NCC的作為 |
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推、拖這整個的一個效率實在是非常差所以我們在這個案子這個部分特別在一般行政向下業務特別費提出凍結50%以上好謝謝盧委員發言你們NCC真的要檢討一下你看那個秋田盧委員 |
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講到了嗎?頭上冒煙、鼻孔流血啊?聽不下去喔?宗家案這個簡簡單單的你們該處分就處分嘛我們開罰單你看開200億一下就開出去了你們開個案子那麼複雜還是你們的溝通程度很差還是怎麼樣? |
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事實擺在那裡說明一下來報告召委基本上來講的話我們就是依照這個調查報告做成後續的這個處分的問題這什麼時候嘛你們一直看不到啊沒有那這個當然我們報告先交出來以後來講我們就依照這個事實去處理嘛 |
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當然他這個部分來講的話必須要處罰的部分並沒有說不處罰的處理差不多了沒有?你能透露一點嗎?我們這個書面報告已經處理得差不多了那接下來我們再想要不要處罰要怎麼處罰這個東西我們會來討論你看我們今天開會你今天早上聽說大清早把案子送來了昨天我們就送了啦我今天早上才看到的 |
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你不能因為國民黨執政的時候你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
6103.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
6104.738 |
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為什麼那麼多在野黨的委員質疑你們? |
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可能有些地方我們沒有說明清楚或有些地方可能是因為法律缺漏的部分那你說明一下剛才那個當委員的質疑你說明一下 |
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關於剛才所講的幾個案子來講像中加這個案子來講我們因為從剛才委員檢舉以後來講我們就繼續去處理那跟委員報告一下我們NCC所掌握的資料最主要是他們的董監事還有5%以上的大股東的這個部分 |
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那這個資料來講的話,我們當時來講,所有的完整資料是在經濟部那邊,所以我們看調資料其實是花了一段時間了,因為這個部分資料也不在經濟部,後來我們發覺是在基金保中心這邊才有辦法找到每一個細節的部分,這個是程序上跟委員報告一下。那第二個來講的話,就是說我們這個中間案裡面來講,查清楚有這個確寫的事實大家,那當然我們要依照法律依據去嚴處這個部分。 |
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那第三個剛剛委員所講的這個宏泰這個部分來解說我們當時我剛才跟委員報告過說我們當時的跟他們的的請他們承諾的部分是說他們10年內提出40億裡面有10分之一是做媒體試讀或提升媒體品質這個部分這部分當然我們監理而且我們也確實落實監理這個部分也跟委員報告了那至於其他的13.5億就最近這5年來來講這個資料的確是在交易部這邊那我們會 |
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委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播 |
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三檢的部分也同意嗎?三檢的部分我們有跟委員溝通,委員有說同意免檢列 |
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你講那個許志杰委員跟趙正偉對,我們有去溝通,他們有溝通有溝通過嗎?有,有溝通過你不要騙我,你騙我的話就不算喔我沒有,我沒有溝通過那不好意思,稍後我再補充報告,剛才那個潘哲偉要說那個許志杰你同意凍結3000萬嗎?對對對好,那個許志杰委員還是潘哲偉?謝謝昭偉,就不刪減啦但是還是凍結3000萬提出說明報告後解凍 |
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不過還是主要還是要在這邊還是要具體簡單說明一下目前你們的政策的想法具體的規劃是什麼?是,剛才那個崑哲偉有提到這個部分來講的話關於有限電域區塊化這個部分來講的話我們在推動的確遇到一些困難這個系統業者來講的話他們認為這個支出太多 |
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第5案、第7案就是凍結超過三千那就保留。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
6314.971 |
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五、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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哈?沒有啊他這邊寫的是一個是7025萬一個是3512萬所以剛剛協志委員有交代就是如果沒有照這個就是就是保留保留其他的嘛欸保留其他的嘛這個這個沒有我剛剛就是就是這樣子第五第七啊啊其他沒有其他沒有沒有他有同意啦他同意東西啊 |
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第14、15、16也保留 |
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14、15、16、17保留然後剛剛5、7也保留5、7、14、15、16、175、7、14、15、16、17 |
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6410.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
6412.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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6430.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
6432.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會 |
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6455.734 |
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6460.339 |
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凍結3000萬凍結十分之一還要再保留?凍結十分之一再保留 |
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我的三個案子保留,其他的案子通過我們意見。好啦,因為剛才協志委員在場的時候他沒有表示意見啊。他還沒有講三千萬的事情。有啊有啊,沒有照他凍結的數目。凍結三千萬是後面那個NC主委表示的數目。那現在不是說十分之一啊。 |
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十分之一他就可以同意啊那個趙偉請問一下那剛才顯智偉是要凍結多少我看第五案嘛我看第五案十分之一啊是七千萬啊十分之一七千萬也沒問題吧 |
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6517.621 |
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我們提出書面報告只有第五案喔只有第五案是凍結7000萬 |
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第4到17案就做這樣的處理 |
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然後第18案決議案18案有沒有意見遵照辦理遵照辦理通過19案遵照辦理遵照辦理通過20案遵照辦理遵照辦理通過21案21案這個我們可能沒有辦法 |
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二十一案。那我們有跟婦棍球員去拜訪。那我們有跟婦棍球員去拜訪。那他有同意嗎?沒有。那如果沒有的話保留吧。好不好。好。二十一案保留。二十二案。也是一樣。我們沒有辦法那個。沒有辦法保留。二十二案保留。二十三案。也是。保留。二十四案。二十四案我們遵照辦理。遵照辦理通過。二十五案。 |
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修改文字修改文字怎麼改?修改文字副根據委員有同意嗎?有有沒有他的那個簽名修改什麼?文字講啊進行研議及提供倒數的第二行第二行就是那個 |
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進行研議後面加一個提高5G普及於使用率並於三個月內相加於交通委員會提出書面報告不是中央報告是書面報告。好,繼續審查通過。25、26 |
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6642.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
6643.893 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
6675.873 |
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倒數第六行嘛倒數第七行那個華光特區那是華光特區不是光華特區然後那個我們是建議那個倒數第四行為避免浪費公帑之使用還有豆點這個刪除然後那個倒數第四行那個積極兩個字我們這個也建議刪除積極刪除那就慢慢來喔 |
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| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
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一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
6710.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
三、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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6733.64 |
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6737.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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6740.368 |
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6762.853 |
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倒數第二行是改成國家通訊傳播委員會檢討現行監理機制改成檢討現行監理機制這幾個字好好好修正修正得過3434也是修正文字就是建制啟行或進行作為這是最後一行也跟委員這邊溝通過 |
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三、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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6785.41 |
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倒數的倒數的第四第四行那個我們現在因為已經沒有第二類電信業者這個電信事業這個我們感心你行動通訊業者而沒有這樣的用語了然後這個倒數第二行是要求一個月內針對防堵這而沒有 |
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6821.981 |
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有沒有漏洞提出改善及加強防堵通訊詐騙之書面報告改成書面報告你這改的很厲害來拿給提案委員林俊賢委員看一下林俊賢有沒有可以喔好修正通過3737也是修正文字這也跟我們溝通過 |
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三、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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6861.453 |
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那現在是 |
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各位累不累?不累就繼續喔累的話去休息啊繼續齁尊重各位委員的意見齁審查113年度總預算通訊傳播監督管理基金通傳基金齁附屬單位預算請各位翻開第一案第一案是李昆哲委員提案的基金用途專業服務費 |
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這3.3百萬啊?郭教偉有沒有意見? |
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| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
6924.105 |
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謝謝昭偉有關於通訊傳播監督管理基金的這個專業服務費113年度預算編列3億1619萬元那他主要的用途當然是辦理會議講座啦或者是專業培訓系統維護委託研究等11個計畫 |
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| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
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但是我們沒有看到相關委託研究計畫的內容目標以及預計的效益跟它的具體的說明這個是在交通委員會我們一再督促這一些提出計畫的委辦計畫的相關的這些單位必須要有一個初步的說明都說國家有紀委然後這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
簡單的內容、目標、預計的效益都沒有說明清楚要怎麼要給你們預算呢?這個部分請你們來做說明我是建議3減300萬、凍結10%來看主委他們來做說明 |
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謝謝委員的指教我們說明一下基本上來講的話剛剛委員所提示的是我們會再把這個東西跟委員做一些細節說明我們通訊團體基金基本上來講的話辦理的是相關有關於通訊跟傳播像比如說像電信或者像我們這個通訊傳播還有目前來講還有我們網際網路的傳播這個部分的這些相關的會議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
7010.052 |
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那因為這個會議來講除了有一些固定以外有一些是依照我們的整個政策的變化去舉辦那的確我們這個細節部分應該跟立法院這邊再更具體的說明那不過因為這個整個的預算編的方式所以我們只能寫成這樣那我們是不是建議委員這個地方免疫檢列然後可不可以那就凍結10%然後改書面報告謝謝 |
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好啦 報告召委就不刪減啦齁 凍結10%提書面報告好 第一案嘛齁 不刪減 凍結10%提書面報告 好不好第二至三案 |
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我的是第三案就是113年度的專業服務費有關於這個材料及用品費預算變成721萬那比較之下比110年度的這個決算增加了139萬這是我們來考量這個相關的這個材料用品支出 |
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| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
應該是一個固定的支出預算尊潔編列之原則應該是以過去的決算跟預算來做一個編列的基礎這個等一下請他們來說明一下 |
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7070.954 |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案 |
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競選委員：坤澤委員：饒樹委員：依序謝謝章偉本期提議第六案是我們NCC明年度的出國預算425萬9千元這是近五年來編列最高的 |
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7117.099 |
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通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管 |
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7145.216 |
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7146.457 |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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7163.65 |
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本席建議像這種出國費用應該予以三減一百萬並且凍結十分之一通常NCC三個月內針對如果改善你這個基金的收支財務狀況的專案報告後才能凍結本席要提第九案第九案就是NCC的專案服務費變成一千六百四十萬這筆預算就是跟詐騙有關係的 |
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7220.414 |
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例如跟陌生來電、辨識軟體Who's Call跟刑事警察局合作等等我們了解2022年全國的詐騙簡訊的辨識量約有4764萬封詐騙簡訊為什麼會那麼多其中主要原因是因為第二類電信業者現在他們都不列管都不受NCC管理了 |
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7221.997 |
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7242.309 |
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甚至有爆發第二類電信業者海峽電信直接跟詐騙集團合作提供門號幫助詐欺現行的電信管理法第二類電信業者是變成登記制NCC沒有辦法直接進行管理大概只能用一些行政命令 |
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每次等於道德勸說啦要求業者要落實什麼風險管理這根本就是根本就是廢話啊因為業者為了賺錢啊他賣門號啊他怎麼可能會幫你原本政府該做的事情去辨識誰使用他的門號難怪詐騙那個簡訊那麼數量那麼嚇死人啊那而且這筆錢啊每一年都花光啊執行率都85%有超過100%的但是這種詐騙訊息就越來越多啊 |
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7272.813 |
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7291.045 |
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所以北京建議,因此應該積極作為來填補法律的漏洞不能再讓第二類電機業者成為防堵詐騙的破口建議本預算3.5百萬凍結文資一個月內從法制面提出如何進行防堵詐騙,專案報告後才能通知 |
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好,謝謝委員會議好,謝謝趙委員我的是第4案113年度我們有關於通訊傳播監理政策企劃計畫預算編列2916萬元那它主要是用在辦理通訊傳播監理政策的規劃 |
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7312.623 |
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7330.442 |
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委託研究、調查計畫當然目前基於通訊傳播的途徑其實它的發展越來越多元有關的規範其實還不是很完備這個部分通常會應該要清楚的說明請他們來做說明阿蘇委員 |
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7342.099 |
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好,謝謝主席。那本期提的是第11案。針對通傳基金,那在113年度通訊傳播監理政策計畫,有編列了2916萬6千元的預算。 |
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7360.66 |
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主要是辦理通訊傳播監理政策規劃等等那我們也知道這幾年來這個詐騙警訊真的是鋪天蓋地然後造成民眾的這個金錢的損失還有這個受騙的人數可以說是有增無減 |
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這個我們都一再的在提所以我們希望就是說我們ACC應該對於這個國內的電信業者要去加強要求他們加強攔阻及警示這個國際電話詐騙這樣子的一個簡訊這個我們要積極的而且要有效的去要求 |
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7386.5 |
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7403.445 |
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所以我們我這邊是提這個凍結案凍結200萬元的一個凍結案我是希望通傳會對於詐騙的這個新型態手法及管制策略這邊必須要有一個具體的一個方案跟策略那希望能夠提出書面報告後使得動之好我們合作會 |
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7414.979 |
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謝謝主席學生召委我只是在補充剛剛幾位委員我的體驗雖然在後面但是因為這個電信詐騙真的是防不勝防我記得主委之前在我們的這個質詢的這個時間內有回答我們跟數位發展部有合作技術合作那你們也道德勸說透過我們政策工具去要求各大民營的電信業者來配合 |
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7435.871 |
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7437.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
兩、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
7450.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
7469.766 |
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還有人收到那你說你跟各大電信業者說已經講好了也跟所謂的他們委外的代鈔這個簡訊的業者也說也規範在內了也不會再發生了機率會降低了可是你知道嗎最近這一陣子那個自來水水費的詐騙簡訊跟台電電費的詐騙簡訊真的是讓我們政府臉上無光你已經宣示了數位發展部 |
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7476.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
7499.917 |
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也說技術資源的你也都說說好了政府防詐阻詐結果最近流傳的這兩則簡訊這個叫做破功所以你要好好去查說自來水水廢跟台電國營事業的這樣子的一個詐騙的一個通知第一個當然是冒用國營事業第二個一個要做到那個簡訊內容來給給給給給到錢的樣子 |
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7506.22 |
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7533.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
數位發展副的唐鳳部長說明年一月之後呢要用政府的111政府簡訊的一個這樣子的一個系統來發送但是我是要跟你主委講明年一月能不能如期上路我不知道啦但是如果沒有辦法如期上路起碼在現在11月到1月如果沒有辦法如期上路又要再延個三個月或是再延個半年光是這 |
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7534.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
7558.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
幾個月當中這個我們政府難道都無能為力嗎這民眾大家對我們政府的防詐真的是沒什麼信心了啦所以諸位你要去檢討一下那個自來水水費跟台電的電費這樣子一個詐騙的一個簡訊到底是從哪裡來的到底是哪一個系統發送的是不是好不好謝謝 |
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7561.107 |
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7577.99 |
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好,還有沒有委員發言?沒有,二、繼續說明一下。是,那個,跟委員會報告。那首先呢,就那個二類電信的這一部分的話,我們已經都納入管理了。所以這一塊啊,那個,將來透過那個,就是說不受管理這一塊,我們已經來處理了。 |
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7578.831 |
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7580.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
7602.867 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
7614.899 |
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我們要的是現在的執行成果怎麼樣?你講半天。你覺得電信詐騙有改善嗎?你講半天有用嗎?民怨高漲。每個人幾乎每天都必然都一定會接到詐騙電話。而且他們的技術越來越好。 |
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7628.885 |
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7631.591 |
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對不對?啊他的技術比例好很多啦。啊你要怎麼這麼防篤啦?說不出話題。 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
7641.249 |
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7643.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播監督管理基金預算 |
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7668.089 |
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7669.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
我知道我知道就因為因為這個詐騙結果你 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
7672.816 |
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7697.75 |
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網路這個東西來講有時候他不是走我們國內的這個電信的這個部分我們該抓所以說我們本來就是跟不是啊他還是偷偷手機的檢測如果這樣喔你跟委員會報告你要如何改善電競差別你就下了啊說你沒辦法啊說有網路有網路來的你你就推給數碼部啊沒有沒有我們電信該做網路也要做啊我們並沒有說要推卸責任我們本來這個東西不是說要推卸責任你現在上網路有什麼意思 |
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7698.49 |
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7698.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
7724.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
7741.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
首先那個就RCS這塊我人在問的這塊是屬於啊Google那邊所提供的RCS的這一塊因為它是國際間的這個傳輸標準啦那對於RCS它是透過網際網路的傳輸那你的意思是說各定性業者跟那個所謂的這個他們都完全無人為力嗎都沒有辦法啊現在我們的措施第一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
7742.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
7742.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
7758.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
7771.098 |
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一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算 |
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| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
7785.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
7810.165 |
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7838.297 |
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啊還要做到什麼時候呢?你如果說新的東西你現在還在處理?像你詐騙啦,已經橫行台灣多年你現在還在跟我講,你在跟什麼單位協調,跟什麼單位商量現在我們電話打開有沒有?不只自來水喔,很多喔我這裡每天都要我去領獎品啊每天都有生意,奇怪天天要我領獎品,我都不敢看啦我開也不敢開,開也不敢看 |
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7841.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
7864.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
看一下就不行啊看一下你要打開啊打開我不曉得會不會被詐騙啊現在只要有疑慮就千萬不要打開就是這種方法打開就會被詐騙喔不曉得但是至少來講要降低那個風險這個就是一種試圖的做法就是防避免詐欺的一種試圖做法現在搞得我們現在錢都不敢存在銀行也不敢存在郵局現金還偷偷擺在哪裡只能這樣 |
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7866.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
7871.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
那陳主委你要不要承認你真的是無能?主管是誰啦?你有沒有機會回答勒? |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
7882.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
7907.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
報告委員會跟軍訓委員這邊報告其實電信詐騙大概有兩大塊一個就是電話另外一個是簡訊的部分但是在訊息傳遞上面還有一個這個Apple提供的IMH還有一個現在就是Google的那個叫RCS那在這個不管是電話或者訊息的部分那在Google這邊我們現在也跟他 |
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7923.118 |
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來聯絡請他們在協助RCS傳送上面的能夠做一些貢獻出來那剛剛金縣委員所垂涎的剛剛召委所垂涎的部分就是水費那個目前在透過電信事業網路傳遞的簡訊的部分 |
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7925.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
7943.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
電信界都有配合在做相關的攔阻我們也積極請電信界來做那至於有關於所謂的這個現在看到的RCS的部分那目前在整個傳遞的過程裡面就要類似於Apple當初的模式來請Google來積極來配合辦理以上說明 |
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7947.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
7955.411 |
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好,那個...繼續還有講話...好...我...我...我那邊在...然後積極作為給他電競詐騙...你們去做就好了啦我們每次手機打開都會騙得一塌糊塗是不是?啊不然你自己臉書封面你自己寫一下電競詐騙是我主管 |
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7971.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
7985.025 |
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你寫了很多人 你每天 喔 很紅喔每天接到一十萬、兩萬通訊的話你做得很好 你做得很好 你就讓大家知道啊我跟你說 你NCC的名 機關名聲很吵 |
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7986.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7990.674 |
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一分鐘啦 我覺得很丟臉欸我提醒一下齁 你剛剛講剛才說 我有署長說你這個電信詐騙是一種訊息齁剛剛何欣淳委員說 現在又有新的訊息嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
8030.881 |
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結果你的回答是說因為這個是Google這個不是傳統的電信業者有的沒的我覺得你這個都是推脫之詞嘛你這個來源第一個就是說來源是不是都只是你講的那個好那即便你講的那個的話那你的對策是什麼嘛那針對如果是中華電信或是說國內的這些電信業者的這個簡訊或是電話那你的對策是什麼 |
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8031.661 |
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8056.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
因為這個很明顯就是說老人家在家裡那很多你說那個網路的等等之類的臉書什麼的那是另外一件事嘛但是有沒有存在著打電話來然後因為老人家在家裡我們長輩在家裡或者是說這個因為這樣而被詐騙的還是所在多有嘛所以你應該是說所有的方法都用上 |
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8057.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
8080.091 |
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假設今天他是透過網路的 你要怎麼對測但是用傳統的電話在詐騙的現在在台灣發生的這些案件還是所在多有啊所以針對這些訊息這些這個簡訊也好或是這個電話來的那你的對測是什麼 你不可以說你就輕巧的一句說那個就是從網路來的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
8103.958 |
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你這個就是你沒有一個積極的態度人家沒有看到說你真的有一個很積極的態度要去處理這個事情現在連大家已經不敢台灣人都不敢接電話了然後這個問題就是說表示說還是有一大堆是透過這個來我自己都會接到了所以你應該去正視這個問題然後你的對策嘛 |
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8118.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
8132.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
我現在打開我的手機10點27分我的鄉親有人跟我陳情昨天晚上他們家人被通知機車停車費未繳然後就看著簡訊裡面的網路連結就給他點進去說要繳費40塊結果他的帳戶裡面的存款 |
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8138.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
8139.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
8165.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
8167.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
8189.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
8207.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
欸NCC你們喔每天每個禮拜分別到紀念委員、邱賢志委員、何靖遠召委這邊去報告他告訴你新的題目你這個小事啊人家還恐嚇說你兒子在我這裡很安全啊我說你去死啊我還沒有生兒子勒 |
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8213.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
8227.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
趙偉我還是要請那個主委要正視你的無能啊我還是要強調主委你的無能你代理你從紀念式案、三立宗教案到現在詐騙案你根本就是沒有辦法解決啊 |
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8229.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
8255.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
所以你應該辭職下台啊跟召委報告一下基本上我們這個詐騙案這是全球性我們會繼續努力的就像打擊犯罪是無時無刻都要去努力的事情那犯罪的形態一直在改變當中我們會全力以赴繼續去努力這個事情謝謝交好委員讓你下來你要不要下來不要交好委員他不叫他 |
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8256.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
8259.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
主委打不還手罵不還狗可以啦你把預算講一講來4到11案怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
8287.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
8288.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
第四案我們是主要辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
8302.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
8304.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
五、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
8318.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
8322.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
國外旅會怎樣免篩檢?國外旅會不用多最近五年來編最多的捏跟委員報告一下最近為什麼有一個跟委員報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
8339.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
8340.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
8354.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
8355.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
三、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
8384.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
8387.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
我們一樣對塑化部也是嚴格審查嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
8392.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
8394.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
三、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
8419.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
8422.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
三、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
8431.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8457.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
詐騙案一樣很嚴重啦我們先跟委員報告一下其實我們除了詐騙以外包括網際網路安全你對什麼的監理案的監理一樣是這解放了就有啦那還有一個專業服務費那分開處理啊還有私密影像還有iWIN這個錢我們這個跟國際我們最近要參加那個時候ECFD是英國發起的全球性的組織這相關的國際費用真的很多我們才編400多萬其實金額真的已經很少了再砍100萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
8458.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8459.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
五、繼續審查113年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
8481.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
8486.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
三、二十萬可以嗎?我幫你們爭取了二十萬而已好 謝謝 謝謝二十萬二十萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
8506.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
8509.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
第三、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
8529.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8543.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
三五百萬預算案?預算案我三五百萬凍結五分之一因為這個就是專門在做電信詐騙的就做最爛的這個啊委員你叫我去打詐騙要去預算好啊你前幾天執行你都報問題報幾天要有動態你 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
8545.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
8546.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
8567.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
8591.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
整個社會的現況你不能說你做多少我有進步多少問題是現在詐騙沒有更嚴重嗎犯罪集團改變我們也要改變我們的戰法這個戰爭就是這樣子一定是這樣子處理吧一定是改變他的戰術所以我們是建議說打造的費用不要刪減這本來你要凍結我們可以接受但是打造我是講你們到底做還是不做你不做的話1640萬全部把它收起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
8591.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
8592.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
三、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
8615.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
8643.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
主席你覺得他們打、打詐做得很好嗎?我們要看,那一來要繼續努力,可能不,那個該委員都不滿意你知道每一年,每一年你都繼續努力我接都不敢接電話,我麻木了對啊,說你兒子被綁架了你看我沒有兒子的問題啊對啊,所以詐騙很嚴重啊我剛剛想你去死啊你啊我是說連詐騙,對,我說連你自己都感受到電訊詐騙的嚴重啊不是,各自啦本來不能洩露的啊,不然人家也不知道我也沒有兒子 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
8648.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
8663.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
昆德人你叫什麼?你對我這樣是一種...你這樣對我是侮辱啊好啦,三點一百萬好啦好同意啦好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
8665.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8679.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
五百萬三點一百萬欸好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦好啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8708.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
數面報告數面報告齁對啦然後第六案數面報告有解弄第六案剩三八十萬什麼剩二十萬到底二十還八十是我嘴巴講是我嘴巴不對還是你們耳朵不對他幫你們省二十萬啦從一百萬變成三八一公 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
8714.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
8718.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
他說他說我只三二十萬啊。沒有啊。 |
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8730.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
8744.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
不是我的問題,是巨建委員的問題懂了沒有好啦,三、二十萬啦,三、二十萬欸杜吉,啊你三、二十萬快就三,你給我做牌了我不知道是我有講錯還是我有弱壞啦你不是說三、一百萬? |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
8745.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
8746.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
三、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
8775.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
8778.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
第六案3.20萬第九案3.100萬其他凍結十分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
8788.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8797.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
主席你第6案是3-80萬你第6案是3-80萬對嘛我重新宣告了20萬剛剛我剛剛一直我們聽到的是3-80萬好啦好啦他們兩位委員有意見齁我重新再宣告一次3-80萬因為他們兩位委員打我以為我打不過他沒有我只是在提醒主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
8817.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
8819.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
第12至第13案區議員委員謝謝主席本集題第13案是我們通能基金明年度的資訊管理專業服務費編的6990萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
8840.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
8857.366 |
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那麼你這筆預算明年是有大幅度的增加113年度是增加了2182萬就是比前年來比的話你2022年你才編4700你明年度就要編到6900 |
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8860.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
8875.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
但是你今年的預算我了解一下你到10月底的執行率只有38為什麼今年執行率那麼低你今年執行率到10月底只有38%然後你明年度的預算又要大幅增加你在預算書的說明欄並沒有對這個部分有所解釋 |
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8880.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
8894.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
這個所以本期建議那這筆預算是不是三減五百萬凍結五分之一齁請你們提專案報告後才能凍結凍結五分之一凍結五分之一三不三我提案是三五百萬三五百萬 |
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8898.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
8912.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
說明那個報告委員會齁那因為資訊費用主要還是在11、12月會動資所以到目前到10月的動資只有不到一半的情形是這樣來的38%到10月底只有38%對那其實上我們這邊你們這個委員會這邊拿到的是38%我們這邊比較 |
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8920.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
8924.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
8936.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
8960.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
所以並不是說因為我們都沒有動資啦所以說因為只要是今年度的費用大概都資訊費用大概會在11、12月動資啦大概這樣那另外就是說我們今年度113年會有增加是因為配合政府在推動所謂的資安相關的一個措施所以我們基金會才會增加那我們就是建議說請居委同意我們不要刪減凍結這個500萬 |
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8965.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
8980.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
好主席主席好那同意啦齁如果不刪減的話但你要把你那個預算執行率低那你到年底你說可以資金到多少你要用書面報告給我們喔好所以先凍結500萬喔你執行率不到一半喔42%啦 |
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8985.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
9008.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
好 那就不刪了齁那就12、13案病案他要凍結啦凍結500萬病案凍結刪減改凍結啦然後他要提書面報告啦刪減改凍結500萬第13案他凍結五分之一就一千多萬了餒沒有沒有我們就看他報告怎麼寫你寫報告你要負責嘛那第12案勒我說12、13案病案處理啦 |
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9016.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
9019.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
十二十三案病案處理凍結十分之一五百萬前面是十二億前面是兩億兩億凍結五百萬這基礎設置嗎凍結五百萬太少了吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
9043.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
9068.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
他講錯了啦,他就講第13案啦。他沒有講到第12案。各位委員報告,這支計畫的2億經費裡面有很多是省燕費,它是收支對列的項目。那第二個部分就是資訊管理費的專業服務費。你說第12案是收支並列?有些項目是收支並列,就將近1億的支出跟收入對列。那第二個部分資訊管理的專業服務費。你說並列都結500萬喔? |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
9072.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
9084.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
雖然太少了吧因為委員因為前面第一案通案已經把我們的專業服務費凍結百分之十已經在這邊對於資訊管理的專業服務費凍結五百萬那中央報告齁 解凍順便報告 順便報告 解凍齁好 第十四 第十五案 卿卿委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
9096.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
9115.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
謝謝主席本集題第14案是我們明年度平台事業監理計畫編了2134萬那這個主要就是對有線電視的一個監理那其實我們了解有線電視許可執照期限是9年那中央主管機關應該每3年辦理一次評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
9117.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
9139.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
業者應該要提營業額的1%作為我們有線電視廣播的發展基金這樣的一個監理的狀況下臺北市為什麼發生某業者短報長達10年的營業收入有1億6800多萬一直到2021年才被抓到才被裁罰400萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
9141.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
9166.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
該業者在短報期間還經我們NCCP評鑑都是合格的都是優良的你這樣的一個監理評鑑我覺得根本就是沒有落實所以我覺得評鑑結果根本沒有辦法反映真實問題一個隱藏營業收入那麼久的業者長達10年這個評鑑期間每次都是優秀 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
9171.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
9198.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
然後我們再來看到2022年底全國64家有線電視業者仍然有9家的營運計畫根本沒有經過通常會的評鑑審查比例達到14%所以我本期認為平台柱在審查執行的效能非常不好建議刪減預算400萬凍結四分之一一個月內提如何處理平台評鑑不實提專案報告才能凍結以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
9202.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
9205.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
第15項平台事業監理計劃預算系統業者不能與頻道業者整合 |
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一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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那就這個部分的話NCC既有的這個監理的措施還有就是說這個對於這個監理的角色的定位跟自我認識顯然都出現非常嚴重的問題所以我們希望這個案動10%那就NCC如何去強化反媒體壟斷的監管提出政策精進作為跟相關的計畫之後使得動之 |
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好,其他委員有沒有意見?好,那我們就請NCC來做說明 |
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委員會報告就是有關我們評鑑是依照有關法30條那系統經營者他在經營滿三年的話就要進行一次評鑑那評鑑的話是把過去三年經營的時機就是整理成一個書面報告那我們業管收到這個書面報告之後呢我們就會先進行他的形式審查 |
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看看有沒有問題就是有沒有缺件然後會會同我們地方政府一起去做實地查核那實地查核之後所得的資料會並同評鑑報告書再提到我們的外部的評鑑換照諮詢文會由專業的這個學者專家來進行審查 |
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檢查之後他們會做成評鑑等地的建議比如說合格優良還是限期改正那之後會送到我們的委員會議再進行做成決議所以整個流程其實是蠻嚴謹那相關的時間大概也是要花4到6個月正常的話所以就是有關先回答剛剛就是提到的那個111年受理的7家這個其實都已經辦理完畢只是因為他有一個處理的程序所以 |
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這個資料上可能是顯示說在當年年底並沒有完成但是根據我們的資料在111年底因為只有前面兩家業者是我們是二月受理那後面的五家都是在11月12月受理所以整個辦理的流程會到112年那這個點先跟委員會說明 |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播監督管理基金預算 |
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9400.009 |
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關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管 |
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不好意思這個部分來講的話我們因為有這個案例以後來講的話就去落實去處理了這個我們後來有請學專家加入我們這個財務集合的部分以上跟委員報告了14案的這個部分我們會繼續努力把這個事情做謝謝好請您進行委員發言 |
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剛剛主委說的要把這個事情做好對有線電視的監理今天開會氣氛這麼不好就是你的業務嘛中加案就是你應該你要管的嘛那我請教剛秋原志偉那個提案他裡面有寫到的就是說我們的有線電視就算你沒有買賣股權沒有移轉你是不是每固定時間好像三個月就要跟NCC主動申報你的股權結構是不是這樣子 |
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不用買賣也要申報因為才會了解你的股東結構有沒有改變所以我們的規定其實是很嚴格的你不用有任何買賣你每三個月要跟我NCC申報一次那中家他賣掉是不是他應該要主動申報因為他股東結構改變了對不對他為什麼敢沒有申報 |
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他不知道要申報嗎?這目中無法,根本就沒有你NGG的存在嘛。那賣方要申報的啦,是不是中間要申報?那你NGG為什麼說你沒有查到,因為是被踢爆你才知道?因為他第三層股東你沒有辦法監理。這是你說的嗎?這是誰講的?你平台處講的是不是?我聽到主委。第三層股東你沒有辦法監理喔? |
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你當時是這麼講 你們機關是這麼講我們是查到那個第二層 那是因為我們那個申報裡面是百分之五以上股東的這個變化 這個是法律裡面有規定那這個不可能 你們就推卸責任 黨政區議題是查到最終收益人當然是查到最終的股東收益人啊 不然你黨政區議題你怎麼執行 我們就是這樣執行 |
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但是事情發生就是說你遇到這個問題你不要面對要處理啊你推卸責任上面第三層股東你沒辦法我們會好好把這個處理好這平台主說的嗎這你說的嗎那你剛講半天什麼你會好好監理你自己該辦的業務都做不好那你對宗教後續的處理主委你有報告喔 |
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兩、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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所以所以主席我我認為我對預算有意見就是因為也對他們執行相關的案件監理以來啊像那個像那個宗家案那個那個等等相關的問題這些所累積的啦所以我才認為你看你監理做得那麼不好所以我才提預算刪減還有凍結案好以上好謝謝林委員其他委員有沒有意見 |
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現在到十幾?十四、十五嗎?那主席我的是十七、十八、十九、二十。還沒到那裡,我們現在先處理十四、十五。好,謝謝。提供這、還提供這、也要媽做、還要媽做。我們先處理十四、十五。來,十四、十五,剛才NCC有要再做補充說明嗎? |
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14、15案是併案處理建立預算的刪減,年居姓委員是提400萬平台事業經理計畫還是有相關的業務推動所需的經費 |
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那是不是我們不要刪減不知道林俊興委員所以刪減啊所以刪減啊那就秉持剛才八十萬的原則可不可以我提四百捏 |
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三、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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到二十二16到二十二案來委員請發表陳江華委員好那17到22也是針對中加3D |
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關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播監督 |
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9761 |
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同意嗎? |
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十七、我們當時來講,我記得是要提書面報告嗎?沒有提狀況報告這個問題了。好,那我們就保留。好,尊重委員,我們就先保留。來,我們現在進行。18,同意嗎? |
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16案好像沒有處理16案是不是要16案有沒有16案是魯明哲委員不好意思魯明哲委員來你們有沒有意見我們遵照辦理遵照辦理那現在進行23到30案主席剛剛17、28、19、20、21、22都保留了你剛才不是說 |
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現在是23案到30案網際網路的傳播計畫 |
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來 林俊憲委員陳樹岳委員感謝主席本期提議第二次商案是明年度NCC的網際網路傳播計畫編了3357萬那這筆預算呢主要是因為我設計一個網際網路傳播辦公室來強化網路平台業者自律等等的相關業務 |
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9894.494 |
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但是我看到現在所謂的一些詐騙的廣告都是在網路平台在氾濫的實在是不像話尤其像臉書這些平台業者只知道收廣告費賺錢對於內容幾乎毫不設防那基本上這樣的防止除了我們官方的予以要求以外業者自律非常重要 |
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所以你設立這個辦公室目的就是強化網路平台業者自律但是我看你相關工作的第一個人最重要你這個緣額編制是40個人到今年11月只用23個你40給你錢你人也招不滿為什麼 |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管 |
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而且你禁用人員也到今年11月為止也禁用不足幾乎只有禁用一半所以本席認為通常會對這個計畫說明不夠也沒有積極值來執行建立3500萬並且凍結四分之一一個月內提出該項計畫的詳細執行規劃專案報告法參動之謝謝好現在請陳樹葉委員 |
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議員議員議員議員議員議員 |
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9985.155 |
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關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管 |
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10027.137 |
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目前沒有辦法就是像有線廣播電視或者是衛星廣播電視有相關的法規來予以管制所以在這個部分我們是希望就是這個NCC針對網際網路視聽服務管理法的部分在研擬的時候針對於這個有關整個就是影視的節目包括中國節目的管制本土節目的保障等等這部分要予以去就是 |
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10027.697 |
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10030.038 |
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關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播監督管理基金預算 |
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10044.023 |
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10068.931 |
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帶邱委員來說明那這個案子也是有關網路傳播網路平台業者監管的這個問題那現在在詐騙假訊息猖獗但是我們看到計畫編列就是9乘3是委外所以有失職的嫌疑所以 |
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就是凍結10%的預算兩個月內提網際網路傳播政府監理量能對於平台業者建立相關法制之具體立法計畫提出書面報告使得動之。 |
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好 那我的是第27案等一下請NCC一併來做說明那我們113年度的網際網路的傳播計畫坦白說這個計畫是很重要的那預算編約3557萬元那用途當然是包括辦理網路傳播及推動多方的利害關係人的一個機制那強化網路平台業者的自律掌握網路傳播的一個趨勢 |
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但是我還是要提醒主委我們這個計畫多數都是以委託的這樣的一個研究計畫舉辦會議或是委辦服務來進行預算書當中我一直在提醒我們是要具體的說明這些具體的方式跟預期的效益到底是什麼 |
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我是建議動解事發提出說明報告後解讀請到委員如果沒有意見來做說明各位委員 |
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主任那跟那個各位委員報告那剛才先回應那個林委員他提出的就是說我們人員禁用的問題那我們是網傳辦是在4月中旬掛牌然後就先由那個其他出事的同仁來支援這初期是11位然後呢我們就是積極的在每一季就辦外補 |
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那外部因為這個網際網路的人才專業人才其實是有限的從各部會還有從地方政府挖角其實其實是有一些困難然後這一部分要特別跟委員報告那我們也報了考試分發那考試分發要到年底就是說現在考試分發到那個今年12月應該會有那個增補到4位那我們 |
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主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播 |
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委辦費因為網際網路的治理不同於其他那個廣電的監理的所以那個其他國家也是如此辦理所以都是在跟多方利害關係人參與溝通有些是以平等對話的地位來來處理那那個針對 |
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關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管 |
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一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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針對自殺防治的議題先做一個打地基做一個申訴系統這些大概目前是編列1200萬那將來還是有其他的議題再跨部會再溝通那從做申訴的系統那這些都是都是需要一些相關的經費那所以懇請各位委員支持 |
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網際網路傳播計畫是因為去年主改後本會新建的計畫網際網路現在的問題真的是層出不窮除了剛才所講的打詐以外來講還要不要吸引下這個議題還要不要扼騷保護這個議題 |
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所以這些來講的話必須有一定的經費去處理那為什麼會有到93%這個問題就是因為我們在像IWIN這個機制都有固定的支出這是合照法46的規定那我們是幾個機關共同編列經費去委有像是比如說現在是臺北市電腦公關去處理這相關的而且是有一定的成效那這個部分來講也請委員支持謝謝 |
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好,謝謝,請陳志偉各位再講清楚,你委員會判費用高達93%你剛剛那個部分可不可以再講清楚因為你幾乎這個預算全部都放到外面去做,這不是我們自己要做的業務嘛為什麼要委員會,這個不用說明一下跟委員報告,就是說像我們要辦理的網際網路傳播社會調查那這是1、1、2年有,1、1、3年也是延續辦理 |
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社會調查主要就是以問卷委託民間來幫我們持續滾動式的了解社會關注的網際網路的議題是什麼希望政府解決以後大概都是這樣的預算結構嗎?你們業務結構都這樣嗎?那你這樣為什麼會需要40個人呢?你93派會有算傳播都委外你要40個人在這個網路辦公室幹嘛?你就變發包中心啊 |
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總預算才3300欸你有3100委員欸那個更委員報告因為啊我們在召開這個中央利害關係人會議裡面其實還有一部分是屬於政府應該要去做的啦那個比如說我們對接受民眾的申訴處理民眾的申訴那除了政府之外啊那民間這塊是有一些是適合民間去做的那有一些是適合政府去做的所以啊那並不是全然啊都有委由民間來做 |
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主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會 |
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10472.901 |
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10477.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
10501.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
10506.29 |
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三十一到三十二重點來說明一下你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
10509.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
10511.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
10531.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
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改為主決議不凍結了改為主決議好嗎好31至32就不凍結了改為主決議好不好好然後33到34呢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
10565.251 |
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何俊仁委員本席提第33案請NCC說明一下因為那個假基地台的事情剛好跟我剛剛在提的一些釣魚的簡訊詐騙是有關係的可不可以說明一下你們現在有什麼因應積極的態度、做法 |
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對跟委員報告一下就是說假基地台那一家案子就是他一個民眾他私自從中國大陸那邊進口一個基地台然後放到我們國內來來偽裝成合法的基地台那我們現在自己的錯我們是跟業者在說因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
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這個基地台的戰術一共有10萬多件的戰術所以他要去查冊他必須要透過網管系統來所以我們會跟業者來透過網管系統的方式他們那邊會看出異常的基地台的狀況所以我們會配合這樣那我請教一下從上一次那件事這個從中國進口之後還有沒有其他沒有我們目前沒有在查所以那我們可不可以做源頭的管制有我們在源頭管制的部分我們會做測明器材的管理 |
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所以我們那一塊我們社平器材一、去宣導二、我們要自己查冊所以我們過去在這個網際網路上面過去兩年統計下來將近4萬件的這種檢舉案我們已經下架3萬多件那我們也跟電商平台在溝通事實上請他們在做這個商品販賣的時候 |
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要取得刑事認證的這些資格才讓他上去所以我們昨天前幾天我們也跟數位部這邊座談希望透過數位部那邊跟電商平台希望他們去做資訊的揭露做好以上報告什麼時候跟數位部合作那要求電商資訊揭露要做好已經開始了嗎即日開始要求他們資訊揭露一定要開始喔 |
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10689.043 |
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我們之前已經先跟電商蝦皮平台那邊溝通請他們把這個管制設備器材的這個形式認證放到他們的自律規範裡面要求賣家要這個做所以現在如果說這個蝦皮那邊特定的這個特定的電商平台特定的電商平台那我們就會把這個訊息通知他們他們就把它下架OK好那我不堅持凍結啦我改組決議 |
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好那這個不凍結了吧好不凍結並沒有決議案嗎好 這就不處理了好 第三十五到三十九案決議案三十五案有沒有意見 |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算 |
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那個改成書面報告改書面報告好39通過3939也是修正也是改成書面報告好改書面報告通過那沒有了嗎剛剛我那一案要改組決議喔你沒有宣告有啊有啊改組欸33、31、33、34改組決議好好好好 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
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10775.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
那113年...欸都沒有休息喔有沒有上洗手間的請便喔沒有我說你們自由進出啦齁沒關係齁可以放假五分鐘你們可以自由進出下面江華委員因為有事了應該要離開 |
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| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
10791.615 |
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審查113年度總預算案有限廣播電視事業發展基金有限基金附屬單位預算。好,趙委員你做先審查第8到第16案。 |
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10825.032 |
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其中的交通委員13到14案,你們先發言吧。好,謝謝趙委。13案就是針對山地種家的問題,那也是希望能夠去裁罰,還有如果現在還沒裁罰提出理由法律依據,那同意的話就,不同意就保留了。那14案也是 |
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10827.533 |
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10846.259 |
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針對今天事案也是三立宗家這個問題所以希望能夠提出專案報告可以同意嗎那同意就不保留對啊如果同意就不保留那不同意就保留 |
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10856.307 |
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那同意嗎?13、第14那不凍結改為書面報告不凍結改書面報告好不好?我們文字修正文字修正就不用了我要凍結喔凍結的凍結30萬 |
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三、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、繼續審查113年度 |
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沒有,現在因為交通委員會有事嘛,我們通融他第8到16好,那本期提議第8案啦吼第8案基本上還是對有線電視現況調查及服務品質提升這筆錢吼,主要升級既有的系統還有定期更新維護有線廣播電視,也就是有線電視的營運管理啦吼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播監督管理基金預算 |
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| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
10951.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
10970.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
10974.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管 |
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11001.601 |
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第八到第十二啦八到十二啦喔後面還有十五、十六喔軍警委員後面還有一個全數參檢的喔十六 |
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十五、十六你沒看到嗎八到十六是八到十二還是八到十六啊沒有因為就是你們透過十三、十四嘛十三、十四處理了嘛八、九、十、十一、十二然後十五、十六 |
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可以嗎?可以發言嗎?我們就提15、16案也是我們數位匯流轉型下的有限電視廣播系統營運收市趨勢產業發展和法治政策的研究這研究有158萬7千元 |
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11062.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
11065.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
11085.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
11088.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
11113.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
11113.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
11136.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
11140.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
11165.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
11170.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
新宿民前面的跟委員報告一下齁這個有限電視的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
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通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管 |
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11201.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
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不過有限電視也不一定是西洋產業啦因為有限電視它也有它的寬頻的它現在發展它的寬頻所以它的收入變成進入加戶的第二條線所以它的這個產業反而是越來越重要它不一定是只有影音的內容但是因為我們有限電視法的這個收費的規定只是只有這個訂戶數的部分沒有寬頻所以這未來也是我們在未來再修改有限電視法裡面要考慮一些納入的這個問題 |
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第二、有限電視法也規定有限基金有很多法定義務包括我們撥給地方政府的甚至撥給公司的這個部分都要去處理所以這個部分來講的話也請委員多多支持至於委員剛才在裡面所提到這個Hotkey的這個部分這個就跟區塊化是有關係的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
11251.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
11266.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
11267.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
11291.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
11295.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
11319.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
11322.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
三年改動節,病案嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
11342.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
11364.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
病案凍結多少?10分之1病案凍結10分之1然後解凍書面報告好我們再回來回到第一案第一案要3.1百萬就留到好委員體的你能夠說明一下嗎? |
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11370.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
11396.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
我們是同意刪減嗎?我們跟劉委員、那個劉長榮不要刪減喔?我們有跟他們辦公室溝通過不要講了,溝通過就好了你不要騙我喔,騙我就很嚴重了好不好,這個不處理了喔第二案,趙正宜委員溝通過沒有?有 |
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11403.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
第二案第三次期案第三 |
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| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
第三至七案第三林俊偉謝謝主席本集題第三案明年度的有線電視普遍偏鄉還有數位化就普及化有線電視的發展等等這個編入七千六百七十二萬這比預算我查一下過去三年資訊率都蠻高的也就錢幾乎都花光了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
11454.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
最近三的執行率都有85%但實際成交就像我們剛討論的照理講你要你這個目標有一個叫所謂的有線電視的普及化那你絕對不敢提提那個目標嘛照理講你既然這個以前是要推動普及化你的訂付數應該是逐年提升啊你應該告訴我明年你可以提升多少 |
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| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
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實際上我也認為你做不到而且有間電視的訂付數就像我剛剛多次提的它是逐年遞減 |
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| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管 |
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11493.282 |
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11521.981 |
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請通常會提議那你如果改善既然你要補給的話那你提議如何改善有限電視訂屋數逐年減少提出對策狀況報告再動之謝謝好我們新年召回謝謝學生召回那我只是提第六案我是著動300萬出面報告就可以動之那我的理由第一個其實我剛才有提到有限電視現在收視越聽重視逐年在下降而且是大幅的下降 |
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所以跟你這個計畫所謂的普及我覺得你們要重新去調整跟盤點因為我相信是未來的功能性是不一樣的功能性是不一樣的那在偏鄉裡面它的普及我相信有所謂的訊息的傳輸還有災難或者是救災救難型的這樣子的一個緊急性的功能這個我當然支持 |
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只是說在這個功能裡面我們如何再去重新盤點調整你們這樣的一個預算科目的一個政策的執行這是第一個第二個災害的這個重建跟補助因為這個有關是偏鄉山區的那有線電視的一個這個線路的還有這個傳輸的這樣子的一個纜線的一個設計跟埋設的方式我也覺得要因地制宜 |
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關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通 |
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主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管 |
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好,謝謝我們何召瑋。數位委員,謝謝。好,謝謝主席。那本席提的是第七案,就是針對這個有線廣播電視事業發展基金在明年度有關這個有線電視偏鄉及數位畫譜及發展與災害復健補助計畫,有編列七千六百七十二萬七千元。 |
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主要是用在促進有線廣播電視普及發展提供全體國民可以按照合理的價格公平享有一定品質的有線電視服務了那我們知道就是說現在其實有線電視的訂戶數也呃呈現這個衰退的一個趨勢然後也幾乎全面的數位化了所以在 |
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一百一十一年度的時候有關本院在審查有關有限廣電基金的時候就已經有要求就是通傳會要針對基上河的相關收費標準要去研議可是根據我們了解目前好像還沒有訂出一個一個收費標準所以在這個部分本席是提凍結七百萬元的凍結案 |
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建請通傳會對於數位基算和提出收費標準然後提出書面報告後時的動之。謝謝。 |
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委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管 |
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11741.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
11744.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管 |
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主席我有提三件案,請主席採釋 |
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我可以再發明一下嗎?謝謝委員的指教。我們剛剛委員有提到說我們這個計劃名稱可能以後要稍微調整一下,我就贊成。那因為其實坦白說,這個預算最主要是用在偏鄉的這個部分。尤其有一些是可能除了一些提供相關的服務以外,另外一個就是所謂災害的這個防救的這個部分。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
11844.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |
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對,就像這個南投、仁愛鄉這些相關的這些議題我知道啊,我知道啊我們計劃名稱,我們未來會把它制度的修正好,謝謝慰問的指教要與時俱進是,我們是不是建請這個,可以不用動是不是可以建請委員支持了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會 |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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是這個意思偏鄉不要啦改為離島只寫偏鄉我都還沒有抗議我們國會台還說不到 |
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要處理預算嗎?這怎麼三?今天有沒有人表示意見?五百萬啊。三五百萬?五百萬。還重結五百萬?三五百萬。欸七千六百多萬欸。七千六百多萬喔。三五百萬不到10%欸。那個業務單位哪裡啊?三五百萬怎麼樣? |
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一半。 |
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你可不可以解釋一下你歷年來編這些錢到底都用在哪裡啦解釋說明給林俊憲委員知道啦好跟委員會報告我們大概主要分兩塊一個就是數位化的普及另外一個就是災害的那個復健那災害復健就是如剛剛委員講是業者他遇到有天然災害的時候比如說土石流、地震、風災、水災這些的時候我們大概是編組一百萬 組長一百萬就一百萬了絕種幫助復健啦謝謝委員 |
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對嘛,你要跟林燕蕙說明,她這個人很好講話,你跟她說明再講五分鐘可能一百萬都不用刪了 |
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經紀委員去哪裡?他再講我們用100萬也不用算了好啦 算100萬了第三至第七案統算了就算100萬然後凍結十分之一好 書面報告書面報告解凍 |
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下來17到22案17遵照辦理遵照辦理18案通過遵照辦理遵照辦理通過19案遵照辦理遵照辦理通過20遵照辦理20通過21那個修正文字修正什麼修正文字21第幾行倒數第三行跟第二行 |
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基算和收費標準這個很重要啊這為什麼不要沒有我們修改文字就是說協商有關數位基算和收費 |
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規範的訂定,然後再兩個月﹖規範的訂定,然後再兩個月﹖規範的訂定,然後再兩個月﹖規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規範規� |
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二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算 |
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好,協商完畢。今日協商結論免以宣讀授權議事員整理作為決議委員發言中所提的問題請通訊團會尽數以書面答覆 |
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針對本日會議做如下的決議一、本日預算審查結果照列或照協商結論通過。二、本日通過之決議文字授權主席及議事員調整。三、113年度國家通訊傳播委員會通訊傳播監督管理基金及有線廣播電視事業發展基金預算。 |
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審查完畢。四、總會主審113年度中央政府總預算案關於公務預算部分均已審查完盡並決議如下。一、有關正式別稅數預算隨同以上機關別審查結果調整。二、拟據公務預算審查報告含附財政委員會提報願會討論。三、願會討論前 |
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需交由黨團協商。議會討論時由本會陳召集委員學生及何召集委員心存出席說明。本次會議議程處理完畢。散會。 |
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一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算 |
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一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單 |