| IVOD_ID |
153024 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153024 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-27T11:25:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-27T11:36:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/536b9eee2a0ea5b3e8d4303c50a2b7985186e4a1bc6f964e945ede7791f90b9ead198d53c25190395ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:25:22 - 11:36:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查
(一)委員林德福等19人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員楊瓊瓔等16人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員馬文君等25人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員涂權吉等17人擬具「就業服務法部分條文修正草案」案。
(五)委員黃建賓等20人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員呂玉玲等16人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條及第五十五條條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員盧縣一等17人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
(八)委員鄭正鈐等17人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員王育敏等17人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十)委員張嘉郡等30人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十一)委員王鴻薇等22人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查
(一)委員萬美玲等36人擬具「勞動基準法第五十條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員許宇甄等18人擬具「勞動基準法第五十條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員馬文君等20人擬具「勞動基準法第五十條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員邱若華等16人擬具「勞動基準法第五十條條文修正草案」案。
【一（九） ：如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】
【一(十)、(十一) ：如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】
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謝謝主席請下何部長好請何部長委員好部長好是部長國際勞工組織齁大概有指出說在工作中生育保護有兩個目的第一個就是我們要保護母體跟胎兒的健康是另外一個就是怎麼提供他就業跟收入的保障 |
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也就是說不受解雇和歧視並且可以保障她、保證她產後重返工作權利那我們就所有受孕婦女的保障大概就必須要朝這兩個目的來做落實 |
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一般來講齁,國際勞工組織他建議的產價最少是18週。是。那我們現在的產價是多少?8週。 |
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我大概可以稍微更正一下。國際公約應該是規定14週。那我們現在我們的整個產價合併起來。那14週是不是就是跟現在的修法版本是一樣的?對不對? |
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委員這次的修法是12週啦是12週啊多數是12週那我跟委員報告我們現在的所有產價合起來包括安胎價產檢價產價本身8週有心部分合併已經大概15週了我們都大概符合國際標準15週是怎麼是怎麼 |
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就是安胎假30天半薪日數沒有上限然後產檢假7天是全薪然後再加產假8週整個有薪部分的有薪部分喔合併就有15週喔對安胎假不是半薪嗎對安胎假是半薪啦我是指有薪當然也含半薪有薪你剛剛念的是7天加8週欸呃對 |
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不是七週加八週欸是七天加八週欸對對對不對有薪價是九週九週啦全薪九週啦全薪只有週然後半薪還有三十天啦對所以 |
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所以部長覺得我們這樣子對於孕婦職業婦女在受孕期間的保障她的假期是夠的?勞動部這邊的基本立場是不是這樣子? |
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當然希望可以更好啦可是這更好要評估就是說牽涉到勞僱雙方就是您講的更好可能就是我國的企業裡面大概有有超過97%是30人以下的企業微型企業就是未滿5個的大概有超過80%所以延長產價 |
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怎麼降低中低企業的人力調配對這就是問題因為他們一定要有人取代嘛然後呢沒人取代的時候他就會乾脆那我就不請你了就會造成反而對女性就業不利啦對產後的女性就業不利對啊或是有可能懷孕的女性部長這樣子回答 |
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議員．． |
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對,隱性的。這個是罪惡。我們法律上是不允許的。我現在的意思是這樣子啦就是說這次提出來的修法版本大概都是以12週的產假啦就是把原本的8週提高到12週那我現在只是在問說因為這個就是勞僱雙方要一起看一起 |
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提供整個制度的設計才比較不會萬一修法完了以後馬上就有問題出來了所以我才在問說有沒有什麼 |
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有沒有什麼想法部長對於降低中小企業人力調配的衝擊有沒有什麼想法啦我現在是問這個啦降低中小企業人力調配這個當然是這樣啦委員就是說如果說您支持這個產業要繼續延長的話重點是要讓它做得到啦 |
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你如果是要雇主給薪,他就會不願意啊。所以如果要做,可能要朝公共化去設計啦。就是所謂的由政府來提供預算支持啦。那這個不裡面支持嗎?這個我還不敢問欸。我們可以往這個方向來研議啦。 |
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我們來往這個方向演繹好不好?如果委員支持的話,委員覺得應該要這麼做的話。這個我目前就是沒有答案,所以我也沒有提出來。對,可是即便政府預算支持喔,它也有人力調配的問題。人力調配就不是我能夠去處理了。而且把很多 |
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我問一下巴斯亮表齁 |
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就是說衛福部在2022年的老人狀況調查中指出70歲到國人70歲到74歲的長者大概有19%75到79歲有25%80歲以上有32%這個比例是什麼呢就是他自認自己的身體狀況不太好或是很不好 |
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那80歲以下我們不討論就是說80歲以上有32%的人覺得他的身體狀況不太好再加上80歲以上他有的時候身體狀況在健康狀況在下滑的速度是非常快 |
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所以也就因爲這樣子所以才有免82票的主張嘛那剛剛我也聽到部長講大概我們現在有一些配套出來包括 包括長照需求的指數等等那我要問的是這樣子就是說假如說我們放寬了 |
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怎麼確保 |
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外籍移工的引進數量可以滿足因為臺灣馬上要進入超高齡社會其實像在澎湖獨居的老人很多怎麼確保外籍移工的引進數量可以滿足市場需求因為這有潛在的53萬的移工數的需求這是很龐大而且會產生衝擊的問題所以我們要審慎 |
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那這個就是布裡面現在有沒有...我們沒有...我們就是害怕...就是我們擔心這個所以我們對這個問題我們會比較審慎對今天的修法雖然精神上我支持啦可是就是說做法上我們是不是可以再更審慎一點這樣子對 |
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因為其實我還是要講我基本上是贊成的可是我又怕引進的勞動力不足會排擠到原來失能的照顧可是從另外一個角度來看就是說 |
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我剛才講了嘛,我們的平均移民大概男性81女性84左右嘛表示說他到了80歲就一個臨界點所以確實是有需求才會有委員的版本這個我們必須要先承認這樣子那假如說外籍移工的引進數量你們沒有辦法確保 |
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那恐怕第一個就是會有排擠的效益第二個會有移工來挑被照顧者的情況 對不對因為八十歲不用平定就可以聘請外籍勧勞工 |
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那他可能是目前需求不大可是可是他他就先申請了 |
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他財力上可以嘛,所以他先申請了,那他申請了以後就會有一個原本必須要受到照顧的長者沒有辦法受到妥善的照料。這一些問題希望部裡面都能夠趕快去做一些處理。 |
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特別是引進勞動力的部分這個恐怕必須要加油因為台灣超高齡社會的來臨會很快在離老偏鄉會更快因為離老偏鄉獨居的老人太多因為在地就業的機會太少所以中壯年人口外流 |
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所以這個請部裡面趕快去做一些計畫。好,謝謝部長、謝謝主席。 |