| IVOD_ID |
152991 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/152991 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-27T09:50:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-27T09:59:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/536b9eee2a0ea5b3ccce610b9c97f8585186e4a1bc6f964e945ede7791f90b9e905b1f1929327f535ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:50:55 - 09:59:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查
(一)委員林德福等19人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員楊瓊瓔等16人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員馬文君等25人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員涂權吉等17人擬具「就業服務法部分條文修正草案」案。
(五)委員黃建賓等20人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員呂玉玲等16人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條及第五十五條條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員盧縣一等17人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
(八)委員鄭正鈐等17人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員王育敏等17人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十)委員張嘉郡等30人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十一)委員王鴻薇等22人擬具「就業服務法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查
(一)委員萬美玲等36人擬具「勞動基準法第五十條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員許宇甄等18人擬具「勞動基準法第五十條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員馬文君等20人擬具「勞動基準法第五十條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員邱若華等16人擬具「勞動基準法第五十條條文修正草案」案。
【一（九） ：如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】
【一(十)、(十一) ：如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】
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主席好,我們還是要請我們的何部長。好,請何部長。我也好。部長你好。是。今天進入這個主題之前我想請教您,您說勞保其實沒有危機,只有政府處理不當才會產生危機。那您的意思是要怎麼樣是用撥補到不會破產, |
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才用這種方式就是沒有危機是嗎?我是指的就是說我有解釋過這個撥補它本身就是一個改革啦就是改革的一環那麼因為這個撥補它本身就是所謂我們過去在勞保條例在2017年的時候我們曾經勞保條例修正案進來立院雖然沒有被三讀通甚至連一讀都沒有 |
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對,那可是裡面有一條政府付最終支付責任入法這是一個國家負擔最終的勞保支付責任就是撥補,就是它的實踐所以它就是改革部長現在就是說上台之後您的責任就是撥補讓它不破產,就是您的目的這是我的任務之一任務嘛,那所以在也就是說在我們賴慶德總統任內不會引爆推到下面去就算了,就過了 |
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我說把這個責任往後推就對了嗎?我們任內一定竭盡所能的來讓勞保財務穩定。 |
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因為我看到啦就是說我們每年這樣撥補一千兩百億根本就是杯水車薪我們勞保財務精算的報告在勞保將在二零二八年破產二零三九年以後將達到給付的高峰那每年超過一兆並且連續三十年所以你每年撥補一千兩百億根本就是不夠的那部長這邊有沒有什麼好的辦法呢 |
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跟委員報告其實每年撥補一千兩百億在我們的評估裡面是相當足夠喔這是因為喔就是我要跟您報告整個撥補的歷史從2020年開始本來只有兩百億在很多委員的提案在我們當年勞保年改條例的修正所以你是從幾年開始撥的? |
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我們從去年高達一千兩百億馬英九任內他的負債是七點三兆那蔡英文政府執政了八年現在負債十三兆也就是說你從2020年開始補這四年來他的負債並沒有減少還是持續的成長不是嗎 |
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那是...委員...其實那個負債...我們現在用數字說話嘛,好不好?是是是...委員我們是看政府的實際作為啦。我指的就是說在...當然我們2013年嘛,政府時代喔,他並沒有拿出撥補的行為啦。那...而2020年我們有拿出來啦。 |
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我的意思當時是指的就是說當然這個政府處理的態度不一樣會導致勞工的信心不一樣我看到你的幾個方式就是說您說勞保多元的改革包括延後的退休增加中高齡的就業讓家庭看護工納保等等這些都是您的想法嘛是吧那只是開源的方式而已那你有預計過這些能夠增加多少人多少的收入嗎讓多少人用納保 |
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委員,這些開源的方式目前都還在評估中。好,那你評估要多久?目前我盡量來評估,好嗎?那一個禮拜可以給我嗎? |
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議員,我們給我們兩、三個月的時間好嗎?兩、三個月?是。是。因為其實勞保,我要跟委員報告,我要跟委員報告,就是勞保目前真的沒有危機啦。勞保現在的水位是創新高。真的不要擔心。對。沒有那麼嚴重。對。 |
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我們在想我們就業服務法第46條修正案那11個排審案中也有兩件共同提案的四個連署案本系列主張在46條中應徵定80歲以上長者或70至79歲患有癌症第二期以上的僱主聘僱外籍外國的看護工免得醫療機構的得免經過醫療機構的評估就是免八十兩表的意思 |
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部長剛剛我有聽到林委員在講就是說你們怕因為他80歲以後如果免80量表會排擠到我們移工的這個這個這個醫院是嗎?剛剛林委員的意思是說會排擠重度失能者啦就是說因為移工也會選啦他就是說選比較好照顧的人他的意思是這樣子對 |
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但是我個人這樣講,當初提到這個案子的時候,我發現我們台灣的老百姓幾乎都是非常贊成的。我要講的一個重點就是說,我們台灣現在是少子化的社會。雖然他的長輩他可能還是可以照顧自己,但是可能因為他就一個人在家,小孩子他要為了工作到出外,那誰照顧他? |
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所以這個部分我當然認為說你要讓年輕人好好的在外面打拼那老人家我們政府有責任把他照顧好這是我們的初衷啦這是我們的初衷所以部長你怎麼看這樣的事情?對委員我開頭就講了我還是非常肯定委員們這一次的提案 |
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這真的是苦民所苦的精神所以我們也在委員的這樣的指示底下所以我就是強調說我們盡量來做那麼我們也發展出兩種模式一個就多元認定免貧另外一個就是移工來進入這個家庭照顧服務這樣的兩種方式來處理 |
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對阿因為我看你們的如果說像你們評估老人家可能就是下肢衰弱的狀況然後比較可能自己可以照顧自己但是呢他又還沒有達到申請外勞的那個標準那我們現在因為我們講說80歲以上為什麼我會這樣講呢如果我們現在不讓他就是還沒有達到看護申請外勞看護那個等級的時候 |
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那會造成說他就要請這個陪伴嘛對不對家庭幫傭這種裝就是一般的陪伴需求用這種方式嘛對但是80歲以上你認為80歲以上我們的幫傭的我們是用點數申請的嗎?點數?對16點對你是講家庭幫傭吧對對對那是點數對但是你80歲以上就有16點嗎? |
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沒有。好像我記得只有6天。沒有。對。所以他根本就沒辦法請。對。我想部長是不是可以針對這個部分,如果你們認為說這個免巴适量表這邊有困難還是怎麼樣,是不是可以大家來做一個平衡,然後調整。對對對。解決我們現在真的需要的人,他真的是非常需要。不要因為這樣的一個政策, |
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議員﹚ |